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Posted: Sat Dec 2nd, 2006 12:28 am |
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"Say Hi to Ted and John for the rest of us working slobs Fred"
Yeah, say Hi to Howard Dean for me. But you'll have to out-scream him.
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Posted: Fri Dec 1st, 2006 10:04 pm |
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| I find the arrogance incredible. I too defended Wagner's alleged double dip as a Legislator and teacher. She is either incredibly stupid or incredibly arrogant, much like our Governor.
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Posted: Fri Dec 1st, 2006 09:49 pm |
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| Fred, the Wagner Del. State fiasco is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Posted: Fri Dec 1st, 2006 09:26 pm |
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Okay....I defended Nancy for the school time issue...I thought it was much ado about nothing.
However...getting a no bid job at Del Tech? I think it is a good thing to elect non-lawyers to the legislature, as it gives a more real perspective, and as part of that, one should expect these people to move around a bit...however, to take a no-bid state job smacks of favoritism, if nothing else.
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Local Observer wrote: Let me jump in! And I know this is old news, but....
I, for one, am really glad David Burris and Ron Smith are gone! Besides their voting records, and "y'all come" attitudes towards developers, they are 2 of the most obnoxious politicians I've known. Burris, in my opinion, is worst than Smith, but he just can't help loving himself. I observed his transformation from a cocky, smart aleck kid, to a cocky teenage wrestler, then to a cocky adult. Glad he was pinned and counted out. I believe if he had any political ambitions, they went down the drain. I hope so!
I agree with you, Local Observer. Burris loved to talk to hear himself talk. But, one would ask, about what is he talking? I could never figure it out. He was definitely a legend in his own mind. I am glad he's gone from Levy Court.Last edited on Sat Nov 18th, 2006 03:46 am by Grateful
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Local Observer wrote: Let me jump in! And I know this is old news, but....
I, for one, am really glad David Burris and Ron Smith are gone! Besides their voting records, and "y'all come" attitudes towards developers, they are 2 of the most obnoxious politicians I've known. Burris, in my opinion, is worst than Smith, but he just can't help loving himself. I observed his transformation from a cocky, smart aleck kid, to a cocky teenage wrestler, then to a cocky adult. Glad he was pinned and counted out. I believe if he had any political ambitions, they went down the drain. I hope so!
I agree with you, Local Observer. Burris was a legend in his own mind. He loved talking just to hear himself talk. But, one would ask, about what was he talking? No on knew for sure. I'm glad he's gone from Levy Court.
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Posted: Fri Nov 17th, 2006 12:20 pm |
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Let me jump in! And I know this is old news, but....
I, for one, am really glad David Burris and Ron Smith are gone! Besides their voting records, and "y'all come" attitudes towards developers, they are 2 of the most obnoxious politicians I've known. Burris, in my opinion, is worst than Smith, but he just can't help loving himself. I observed his transformation from a cocky, smart aleck kid, to a cocky teenage wrestler, then to a cocky adult. Glad he was pinned and counted out. I believe if he had any political ambitions, they went down the drain. I hope so!
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Posted: Fri Nov 17th, 2006 12:15 pm |
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I have a "second job" that, at times, I have had to leave my job early for. My boss is fully aware of this, and I make sure that I either put the extra time in by staying late, or simply making sure I am caught up at work.
Now...my primary job does not suffer as a result of my Reserve weekend, and the "job" is for the common good, similar to Nancy's. Now, both her jobs are State jobs, which, to me, makes it even less of an issue. If they want to make a policy to change this - fine. Make if so, and enforce it from this time on. It was not like she was sneaking away to work at second job; her bosses knew, and undoubtedly encouraged her activities.
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Posted: Fri Nov 17th, 2006 12:41 am |
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| Fred are you sure your last name isn't Wagner?
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Posted: Fri Nov 17th, 2006 12:19 am |
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| No thanks Fred -- I'd be afraid I would turn out like you. A complete !!!!
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You can get generic valium at Wal-Mart for $4.00, we could take up a collection.
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It looks like double dipper Wagner might win in court on a technicality. That still doesn't change the fact she is a cheater. I also heard she is quitting the Capital School District and going to work for Del. State University. It's probably easier to double dip there. Just ask Rep. Cathcart.
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Posted: Thu Nov 16th, 2006 06:08 pm |
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| It looks like double dipper Wagner might win in court on a technicality. That still doesn't change the fact she is a cheater. I also heard she is quitting the Capital School District and going to work for Del. State University. It's probably easier to double dip there. Just ask Rep. Cathcart.
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Posted: Sun Nov 12th, 2006 03:29 am |
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I don't see drastic changes, either. Regardless of the Doom and Gloom of the fear spreaders, the election of the Democratic majority will see change that is more gradual then those on the fringe think. A lot of the newly elected Dems are fairly moderate in either personal issues, or economic, so they will not be going along with the nightmare proposals that some have dreamed up.
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I'm glad to see ya'll debating the wins/losses, but unfortunately, nothing is going to change in this state this election year or any other time. Folks really don't want change- it's more comfortable with what you know even if you're a big dumb butt and vote on just name recognition. Someone (either on here or another forum) said "politicians stand on getting elected and re-elected." That's the sad truth...
Oh, and continuing to chortle on this being a mandate on getting rid of Bush.. maybe so. But, let's see what the Democrats can up with. I suspect nothing substantive.
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LCR wrote: Let me think about that for a minute.........................Nah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I didn't think you were man enough to apologize. But, one can always hope. Anyway, we do agree on the fact that Burris and Smith needed to go. I agree with the other poster that said Banta should be president. Maybe you can run for Blakey's seat. However would I vote for you. Let me think about that for a minute.............Nah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Last edited on Sat Nov 11th, 2006 03:38 am by Habitat.2
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| Let me think about that for a minute.........................Nah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| LCR. Believe me, I am not Ron. I whole heartedly agree with the person who wrote that they were glad that D. Burris and R. Smith were not elected. I disliked both of them and thought they were full of themselves. Your remark was insulting, and I would like an apology. It especially disgusts me that you think I am R. Smith. However, I stand by the case law remark. It's a fact, unfortunately.
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| Hey Ron - try posting under your own name.......and no you can't run for Blakey's seat. Thank God you don't live in the district......................................................
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Posted: Sat Nov 11th, 2006 02:52 am |
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| No matter who gets on, I'm glad that Levy Court has had a change. However, with almost 200 years of case law regarding land use, I doubt that much will change. As LCR posted here (or on another site) see the newspaper article today with regard to Levy Court. I predict they will ponder the rezoning, site plan, etc. (whatever might be the case) a little longer. They will undoubtedly prolong any issue or application before them, but they still have to follow the laws which are on the books. I do not look for much to change. But, as LCR said, if we don't like their direction, well, there's always Blakey's seat to vote on to send them a message.
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| Now that Blakey is out of the picture, maybe we can get another new voice on Levy Court. Could it please be a young homeowner who is concerned with his or her family and the future of Kent County.
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Could we please have a young newcomer with some new ideas in place as President of Levy Court. Judas Priest people, we just dumped the old men.......
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curiousindover wrote: The elections showed us all something. For the most part, unless you die, retire or are caught with your hand in the cookie jar, you are re-elected in Delaware. Come to think of it, even if you are caught with your hand in the cookie-jar, you don't lose. It's a sad commentary on the ethics of some and the tolerance of the electorate. As they say, though, it's time to move on. We'll see what happens during the next couple of years. Downstate, though, Kent County showed their county government needed change and performed a clean sweep. Lets see if they hold to their word or become as bad for the county as the departing members have been.
Yes, take Jim Vaughn for instance. But, at least D. Burris and R. Smith are gone. Maybe Brooks Banta will take Burris' postion as president of Levy Court. One can only hope.
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Posted: Sat Nov 11th, 2006 12:41 am |
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Cobra wrote: At least this shows that the local races were not a referendum on George Bush. I don't understand picking Biden over Wharton, though. It certainly wasn't qualifications. The voters sure gave a punch to the Levy Court, and deservingly so. I hope that this stops us from becoming another Philadelphia or Wilmington, or even Baltimore.
We have Wilmington and New Castle County to blame for Beau Biden being the AG elect. Wharton won Kent and Susses Counties.
Anyone of the Conservative persuasion wanting to win Delaware statewide office must win big in Kent and Sussex, and at least break even in non-Wilmington NCC. They haven't a chance in Wilmington proper. Spivack beat Castle there.
Want proof? The statewebsite has the 2006 results. Statewide office is broken down by county, and NCC is broken down by Wilmington and the rest of NCC.
And, it's about time Levy Court got a colonoscopy. 
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Grateful wrote: Yes, take Jim Vaughn for instance.
Take Senator Jim Vaughn, indeed -- any day. People in this area prefer people of decent moral fiber, character, and integrity. That would define Senator Vaughn.
The voters have spoken: No to Allsop, because while she may be a nice person, she had no agenda that she was able to articulate that would endear to to as many as a thousand voters. HELL NO to Mr. Feroce, as people in central Delaware have no interest in electing people who came here from New England with his record of bouncing checks for the candidate filing fee and spitting on police officers. Those are exactly the sort of people that will not win elections here if those sort of details come out. Hopefully, Mr. Feroce will return to Rhode Island and leave us alone.
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| In the News Journal today there was an article saying the new guys are saying the change won't be quick and it's difficult to control growth, etc. The election isn't two days old and they are starting to backpedal! They better get a better story before the Blakely special election or the swing back to the other side will begin early.....
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curiousindover wrote: The elections showed us all something. For the most part, unless you die, retire or are caught with your hand in the cookie jar, you are re-elected in Delaware. Come to think of it, even if you are caught with your hand in the cookie-jar, you don't lose. It's a sad commentary on the ethics of some and the tolerance of the electorate. As they say, though, it's time to move on. We'll see what happens during the next couple of years. Downstate, though, Kent County showed their county government needed change and performed a clean sweep. Lets see if they hold to their word or become as bad for the county as the departing members have been.
Yes, take Jim Vaughn for instance. But, at least D. Burris and R. Smith are gone. Maybe Brooks Banta will take Burris' postion as president of Levy Court. One can only hope.
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“Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm.” —James Madison
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| The elections showed us all something. For the most part, unless you die, retire or are caught with your hand in the cookie jar, you are re-elected in Delaware. Come to think of it, even if you are caught with your hand in the cookie-jar, you don't lose. It's a sad commentary on the ethics of some and the tolerance of the electorate. As they say, though, it's time to move on. We'll see what happens during the next couple of years. Downstate, though, Kent County showed their county government needed change and performed a clean sweep. Lets see if they hold to their word or become as bad for the county as the departing members have been.
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| Damn you sensible types......................LOL
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| Your comment on the difference of 400 votes kind of made me think a bit about this whole election. There really wasn't a massive change in the voting patterns of people . Many of the races were squeakers that fell this time to the Democrats for the most part. We are still a nation almost evenly divided on how we feel about a whole host of issues. Doesn't seem like we really came together much -just wiggled a little in another direction. Of course, for some of us , that 'wiggle' resulted in some uncomfortable leadership in Washington but the point is we are a pretty divided nation and remind each other of that periodically at the polls....
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It won't but I feel better..........................
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At least this shows that the local races were not a referendum on George Bush. I don't understand picking Biden over Wharton, though. It certainly wasn't qualifications. The voters sure gave a punch to the Levy Court, and deservingly so. I hope that this stops us from becoming another Philadelphia or Wilmington, or even Baltimore.
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| At least this shows that the local races were not a referendum on George Bush. I don't understand picking Biden over Wharton, though. It certainly wasn't qualifications. The voters sure gave a punch to the Levy Court, and deservingly so. I hope that this stops us from becoming another Philadelphia or Wilmington, or even Baltimore.
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| I wouldn't call a win of less than 400 votes a mandate, but she won and that's all that matters. Congratulation to her.
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Nancy won.....and she should have.
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Any early results??
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| Any early results??
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| Agree, CR. Voting is the primary issue. If more people voted, those running would be more responsive.
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| Just Vote that is what is important
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| Vote Prameela Kaza
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Thought I'd bring this back up since the tangent is so angry
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I still think you're jealous. There is a big difference between collecting two salaries as a governing member of more than one state body, but I don't think teaching actually has you governing anyone except a few pimply faced students.
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Sounds like you got turned down for a state job.
There is a large difference and your tax dollars paying a salary have little to do with it. The thought process should be are you getting your dollar's worth? If you don't feel Wagner is effective at both jobs, terminate her part time work as a representative in the Legislature.
Take a Viagra and get over it.
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| Double dipping is double dipping. It's illegal and deceiptful. Not what I want to see from my legislators. Oh, did I forget, isn't that what a legislator is, at their convenience? Time to get rid of their type.
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| What in the world does jealously have to do with it? You sound like an apologist for Wagner. If you can't dispute the message then attack the messenger -- that seems to be your only defense. When Wagner is being paid by the Capital School District she is being paid by our tax dollars. When she is being paid as a legislator she is being paid by our tax dollars. If she is being paid twice for the same period of time that is State of Delaware illegal double dipping. If you don't understand that simple equation then there is no hope for you.
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| I still think you're jealous. There is a big difference between collecting two salaries as a governing member of more than one state body, but I don't think teaching actually has you governing anyone except a few pimply faced students. Last edited on Sun Nov 5th, 2006 10:20 pm by
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| Interesting you asked about a lawsuit. There is a suit which was filed against her alleged double dipping in Superior Court. The hearing date is set for November 15, 2006. Wagner through her lawyer is attempting to get it dismissed with technicalities. Even if she gets it dismissed because of technicalities she will still have to answer to the public the double dipping issue.
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If it's illegal why has no one brought suit? I think you're jealous. Her teaching salary is the one that concerns me, not the fact that she is a teacher. Why do you think your school taxes are so high?
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LCR -- Delaware Law states it is illegal to be paid two state wages for the same period of time. Even if they were both part time jobs. Wagner is doing exactly that. $75,000 for her teaching job abd $40,000 for her legislature job. It doesn't matter if it is five minutes or five hours per day. If the time overlaps then she is violating the law. If you don't like the law then do something to change it.
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| LCR -- Delaware Law states it is illegal to be paid two state wages for the same period of time. Even if they were both part time jobs. Wagner is doing exactly that. $75,000 for her teaching job abd $40,000 for her legislature job. It doesn't matter if it is five minutes or five hours per day. If the time overlaps then she is violating the law. If you don't like the law then do something to change it.
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In case some of you are delusional, the service of a State Legislator is part time. They do not meet the entire year and the salary is not one that would sustain most people if it were full time.
I like part-time Legislators...I think we should actually carry it on to the Congress of the US. Several states consider public service a part time job. Our Washington Legislators only work part time so we should pay them that way. There would definitely be a change in the political scene if we fought for that instead of fighting each other.
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Nancy Wagner isn't the only person who is or was a public school employee who simultaneously sat in the State Legislature. I believe either the DSN or the News-Journal ran a story several years ago in which it was shown that about 1/4 of those elected to the State Senate and House had full-time jobs in Delawate public education. This was statewide, not just the CSD.
As for her teaching abilities, I was one of her DHS English students when she commenced teaching there in the late 1960s. She knew her stuff and graded fairly, but was quite tempermental, lashing out at several students who had not given her any reason to do so (I was the target of one of her tirades). In short, she was too young to be teaching high schoolers.
(For that matter, anyone under age 30 is too young to be teaching grades 7-12 in any school, public or private. I know that's age discrimination. So what?)
She left the district, but returned with her husband in the 1980s getting her old job back. One of my children had her as an English teacher at DHS, and, honestly, her knowledge and deportment were not what I would want in a teacher. While the temper had been harnessed, well, there was something missing. (The same can be said of several other instructors there in the 1990s who were there 30 years earlier. The burnout was quite obvious to me when I attended the Open Houses.)
It seems to me that she's cared more for what she does at Leg Hall than what she does for the farce that we, the people, have made of the Capital School District. By that I mean that too few of us vote on Election Day, and too many who do know nothing except glitzy ads, campaign literature, and who serves best their personal agenda. That is why the public school system in this country is largely in the hands of folks who are not of the belief that the US of A is the best and freest country that God gave man and woman.
I don't measure a lawmaker by how many pieces of legislation he or she has their name on. The best barometers are whether they have properly acted in line with their oath of office, and have conducted their public and private life in a responsible manner. Nobody's perfect, and we have no business expecting that in any public official, but we do expect decency and adult conduct.
And, not making a career out of elective public office. Myself, I'm all for one term and out at all levels - city, county, state, and federal. That would enncourage more folks to give it a try, and cut the cost of doing so.
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Perhaps more people don't run because it is too expensive and difficult to unseat a career politician. Term limits can help prevent that. Public service should be a second career or in a real world, part-time. That would be legislating by your peers, something the founding fathers did.
Boy that would crash the housing market in DC
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Posted: Sun Nov 5th, 2006 12:47 pm |
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One term and out?
Interesting, but I see a few problems with it. First, one can't find enough people to run for office now, let alone trying to fill the slate every couple of years. It is a lot of work, and not everyone would want to take a year or so off from their job to do this kind of work.
It is not a simple process. Maybe it could or should be, but it takes a while to just to understand the various ways things work, and the people who are involved, especially if you are elected to a two year rem.
The answer is to get more people to run, and to review each elected official on their own merits. If they have overstayed their stay, get rid of them, but there are plenty of examples of long term elected officials in Dover who have done a great job.
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Posted: Sat Nov 4th, 2006 06:45 pm |
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Nancy Wagner isn't the only person who is or was a public school employee who simultaneously sat in the State Legislature. I believe either the DSN or the News-Journal ran a story several years ago in which it was shown that about 1/4 of those elected to the State Senate and House had full-time jobs in Delawate public education. This was statewide, not just the CSD.
As for her teaching abilities, I was one of her DHS English students when she commenced teaching there in the late 1960s. She knew her stuff and graded fairly, but was quite tempermental, lashing out at several students who had not given her any reason to do so (I was the target of one of her tirades). In short, she was too young to be teaching high schoolers.
(For that matter, anyone under age 30 is too young to be teaching grades 7-12 in any school, public or private. I know that's age discrimination. So what?)
She left the district, but returned with her husband in the 1980s getting her old job back. One of my children had her as an English teacher at DHS, and, honestly, her knowledge and deportment were not what I would want in a teacher. While the temper had been harnessed, well, there was something missing. (The same can be said of several other instructors there in the 1990s who were there 30 years earlier. The burnout was quite obvious to me when I attended the Open Houses.)
It seems to me that she's cared more for what she does at Leg Hall than what she does for the farce that we, the people, have made of the Capital School District. By that I mean that too few of us vote on Election Day, and too many who do know nothing except glitzy ads, campaign literature, and who serves best their personal agenda. That is why the public school system in this country is largely in the hands of folks who are not of the belief that the US of A is the best and freest country that God gave man and woman.
I don't measure a lawmaker by how many pieces of legislation he or she has their name on. The best barometers are whether they have properly acted in line with their oath of office, and have conducted their public and private life in a responsible manner. Nobody's perfect, and we have no business expecting that in any public official, but we do expect decency and adult conduct.
And, not making a career out of elective public office. Myself, I'm all for one term and out at all levels - city, county, state, and federal. That would enncourage more folks to give it a try, and cut the cost of doing so.
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Posted: Sat Nov 4th, 2006 12:26 pm |
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| Fred, this is a repeat statement but I'm guessing you missed it. Wagner has been getting for close to 6 years an extra months salary ($7000 per year) so she can finish the work she claims she couldn't get done during the normal school year. What makes this worse is the fact that her husband Bud was on the CSD Board of Educatioin when Ms. Nancy was handed this golden goose. If she quit running to legislative hall maybe the taxpayers could save that extra money -- approximately $42,000 and growing.
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