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slamen home runs wrote: imnoone wrote: I thinks its time for you to return to your rock.
High five brother
There's no prob with harrington ok

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Posted: Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 08:35 pm

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imnoone wrote: I thinks its time for you to return to your rock.
High five brother

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Posted: Fri Mar 14th, 2008 11:58 am

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I thinks its time for you to return to your rock.

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Posted: Fri Mar 14th, 2008 01:08 am

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I have a huge question and would appreciate if anyone can help me out. Does Harrington have a corruption problem? Is it true that drug evidence has dissappeared from the evidence room or could it be that the same amount confiscated never equaled what was turned in for evidence? Was there ever an officer that had a questionable history that no longer works there?

Maybe I've been living under a rock, but I thought our departments south of the canal were more upstanding than those up north, especially after the brutal murder of Derek Hale by a Wilmington police Officer. It may not be murder, but if drugs are taken out of police custody and returned to the streets for sell, the violation of public trust is just as outragious. It is more of a dishonor to the public when things seem to be stuffed under the sheets than if the criminal is exposed in a department and charged like he/she should be. I would personally think highly of a department that practices what it practices.

Oh yea, let's not forget about the brutal murder in the streets of Wilmington of a highly decorated Marine at the hands of an on-duty Wilmington Police Officer. Even an officer like this might have started light abuse that escalated to murder.

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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 04:41 pm

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Sounds like Lt. Rust is on the TV show Reno 911

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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 11:25 am

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Here is part of the article published in the Milford Beacon you have to love the comments by Lt. Rust.

http://www.milfordbeacon.com/milfarchives/11-09-07/index.html

“It’s training over and above what they get at the academy,” Rust said. “The police academy teaches you some very basic techniques – how to draw, how to shoot to hit the target…but there’s no way to foretell how events are going to play out when you finally do have to draw the weapon. You can’t just prepare for the simplest scenario and leave it at that.”

It’s been more than 20 years since a Milford police officer last shot a suspect in the line of duty. As a result, the department points out, there is no “standard” scenario for an officer firing a weapon in Milford.

“If that time comes, you can’t bet that it’s going to be the most likely situation and just prepare for that,” Rust said.

He added that just because basic training doesn’t require 100-percent accuracy, there is always room for improvement.

“Let’s say an officer can hit the target 84 times out of 100, and that’s good enough to get certified,” Rust said. “What happens the other 16 times? Who does that bullet hit? If I can get that officer up to 90, 95 out of 100, that could be the difference.”

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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 10:48 am

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I wonder how many other Delaware Police Deaprtments have used Blackwater for training. is this part of the continued training you cite as being for the good of the citizens of this state or this country.

On October 14, 2007 the Washington Post ran a story, which included photographs from Blackwater's Moyock training center. However, what was most intriguing was a photograph of a police and military patch board at Blackwater's headquarters that indicated the police agencies that have sent their officers to Moyock for training.
Blackwater is secretive about its non-federal, as well as its foreign clients, which the Post pointed out includes Jordan, Azerbaijan, and Burkina Faso, but a WMR inspection of the photograph of the police agencies has yielded the following partial list of agencies that have used Blackwater for training:

1. Iowa Department of Natural Resources
2. Maricopa County, Arizona Sheriff's Department
3. Matthews, North Carolina Police
4. Atlanta Police
5. Chillicothe, Ohio Police
6. Charleston, South Carolina Police
7. Port Chester, NY Police
8. Highland, Indiana Police
9. Unalaska, Alaska Police
10. Metropolitan Washington, DC Police
11. Charlottesville, Virginia Police
12. Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority (Dulles and Reagan National Airports)
13. St. Louis County Police (Missouri)
14. Queen Anne's County, Maryland Police
15. Prince George's County, Maryland Police
16. FBI SWAT Team
17. Gloucester Township, New Jersey Police
18. Tempe, Arizona Police
19. New York Police Department
20. Yonkers, New York Police
21. Fairfax County, Virginia Police
22. Maplewood, New Jersey Police
23. Gastonia, North Carolina Police
24. Tampa Police
25. U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)
26. DeKalb County, Georgia Police
27. Arlington County, Virginia Police
28. Baltimore Police
29. U.S. Coast Guard
30. Suffolk, Virginia Police
31. Franklin City, Virginia Police
32. Milford, Delaware Police
33. University of Texas Police
34. Norfolk, Virginia Police
35. Ottawa-Carleton, Canada Police
36. San Bernardino County, California Sheriff
37. Plattsburgh, New York Police
38. Chicago Police Department
39. Oregon State Police
40. Los Angeles Police Department
41. Tonawanda, New York Police
42. Special Forces of Colombia
43. Jacksonville, North Carolina Police
44. Harvey Cedars, New Jersey Police
45. Elmira, New York Police
46. Department of Corrections, New Jersey
47. Lexington, Kentucky Police
48. Willimantic, Connecticut Police
49. Georgia Department of Law Enforcement
50. City of Fairfax, Virginia Police
51. Alexandria, Virginia Police Special Operations
52. Illinois State Police
53. Dallas, Texas Police
54. Hamilton, Ohio Police
55. Morganton, North Carolina Police

A number of the police departments that have been trained by Blackwater have abysmal civil rights and police brutality records.

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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 10:19 am

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Darkness wrote: Well according to the July 2005 Milford City Meeting Minutes, It states that before starting the Field Training Program the officers will be completing in-house training. So, I guess Milford does have an FTO program, I guess they just left it out of the papers article as it is not really much of a news worthy item. Just because there is no law requiring additional training doesn't mean departments don't take training seriously. Many departments require additional training or education to obtain different levels of rank. The best thing to do is request their policy on training and education which most have.

You are citing a 3 year old meeting..... please provide the link so that we may all see it.

We aren't talking about training to obtain rank we are talking about whether LEO are adequately trained to not use excessive force, unless absolutely necessary.

Milford also sent officers (2006) to be trained by Blackwater a paramilitary organization who has been charged with murder of unarmed Iraqi citizens. Obviously an organization that believes shoot first, ask questions later.

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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 10:13 am

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60 hours at the academy on the use of lethal and non lethal force. I am trying to reformat the curriculum so I can post it all here. It breaks down the subject matter covered and the hours per topic.

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Posted: Thu Feb 28th, 2008 09:58 am

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So let me try to understand what you are both saying. It is most likely possible that other than a few classes in the very beginning of an officers career he/she may not have the issue addressed for the remainder of their employment. So what is all the training they take on the firing range with pop up targets? Wouldn't that constitute reaction decisions on when to use lethal force? I don't know, I just think something as important as a human life should be addressed on a regular basis.

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Well according to the July 2005 Milford City Meeting Minutes, It states that before starting the Field Training Program the officers will be completing in-house training. So, I guess Milford does have an FTO program, I guess they just left it out of the papers article as it is not really much of a news worthy item. Just because there is no law requiring additional training doesn't mean departments don't take training seriously. Many departments require additional training or education to obtain different levels of rank. The best thing to do is request their policy on training and education which most have.

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Posted: Wed Feb 27th, 2008 07:24 pm

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Punky wrote:
True.

That's why I'm pointing out that the criteria for hiring of personnel for Milford Police Department, you posted, doesn't relate to the topic at hand. That's all.

In regard to police training, that does not stop once a recruit is accepted (at least in the Delaware State Police). Training goes on forever, including target shooting, swat team scenarios and hostage situations, canine, helicopter, fatal accident reconstruction team, and other.

Punky,

I beg to differ I personally don't believe there isn't enough training in the use of non lethal and lethal force. There are no State laws/regulations that mandate any further training (other than normal tuneup classes) than the 22 week course at the DSP academy. Milford was cited because it shows that the officers do not go through an additional 12-14 week fto training period before set out on routine patrols.

The training for the use of non lethal and lethal force amounts to under 2 - 40 hour work weeks of curriculum at the academy.

Any training such as swat team, canine, or any of the others is strictly volunteer and up to the officer, as to what they want to do. It is not required, or mandatory training.

It is no different than a teacher who starts out with a bachelors degree and works for their masters or Phd. Yes there is mandatory training classes throughout the year, but any further educational advancements are the teachers own choice.

DSP target range firearm certification amounts to 150 practice rounds being fired before the qualification test. If an officer needs 150 rounds to get ready to pass a test with their service weapon lord help us all, they have no business even having a firearm.

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Posted: Wed Feb 27th, 2008 02:03 pm

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Bluesman wrote: This is about police violence and use of unnecessary excessive force.

True.

That's why I'm pointing out that the criteria for hiring of personnel for Milford Police Department, you posted, doesn't relate to the topic at hand. That's all.

In regard to police training, that does not stop once a recruit is accepted (at least in the Delaware State Police). Training goes on forever, including target shooting, swat team scenarios and hostage situations, canine, helicopter, fatal accident reconstruction team, and other.

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Posted: Wed Feb 27th, 2008 01:04 pm

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I suggest you look at the comments posted about cases in NYC in this very thread as well then.

This is about police violence and use of unnecessary excessive force. All police officers in Delaware go through the same training program so it is relevant as far as I am concerned.

Richard Carmean who sat on a council that wrote the 2006 curriculum standard for the program at DSP is the former chief of police in Milford, as well.

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Posted: Wed Feb 27th, 2008 12:33 pm

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Bluesman wrote: Why forget Milford? Because, this is a Dover Public Issues Forum

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Darkness wrote: That doesn’t mean they don't have an FTO program. That's just the hiring process.

It doesn't mean they do either and there are no Delaware laws that mandate such training, beyond the academy.

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Posted: Wed Feb 27th, 2008 11:00 am

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Why forget Milford? All LEO (it has been claimed) receive the same training as every other one else. I cited Milford because it clearly shows that the academy program isn't 26 weeks, and in Milford's case the officers only have 2 week internal duty before being assigned to regular patrols.

I have the curriculum program written by Richard Carmean who is on the Delaware Police Council, which was rewritten by Mr. Carmean in 2006. I will be more than happy to post the document that gives a complete breakdown of classroom hours for each subject covered in order to graduate from the DSP Academy.

I don't believe anyone is saying LEO are uneducated. I and others are questioning whether they receive enough training before they are allowed to enforce the laws.

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Posted: Wed Feb 27th, 2008 10:43 am

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That doesn’t mean they don't have an FTO program. That's just the hiring process.

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Posted: Wed Feb 27th, 2008 10:41 am

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Forget Milford on this Dover Forum.......

Officers I know starting on the ground floor, without a degree, quickly obtain higher education, and ultimately a degree or (s). Otherwise, they are not eligible for promotions, thus pay increases. I think it's misleading to suggest that police officers anywhere are "uneducated".

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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 07:53 pm

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This is from Milford Police department's website:

Careers

The Milford Police Department serves a growing community population of approximately 8,500. The Department's 44 employees, which includes30 full time sworn officers, service an area of about six square miles. This agency actively participates in community oriented policing philosophies. The Milford Police Department advertises and actively recruits all sworn vacancies. The starting salary for all police applicants is $34,473.60.

The Milford Police Department maintains an ongoing recruitment process. Minimum requirements for employment as a police officer are:

High school graduate or equivalent
Must be at least 20 years of age, which will turn 21 years of age prior to the completion of the training program.
Good moral character. Must possess a valid Delaware drivers license
Corrected vision of 20/20
Employment stability
Ability to work shifts
Writing skills (demonstrated by completion of application)
Citizenship/U.S. work authorization

Applicants for police officer positions within the Milford Police Department will proceed through the selection process listed below:

Receipt of application
Written testing
Physical testing
Secondary application submitted
Oral interview
CVSA examination (voice stress analyzer)
Thorough background investigation completed
Psychological testing
Medical/physical/drug screening
Final job offer

The Milford Police Department requires sworn police officers to be certified by the Council on Police Training (C.O.P.T.) The Milford Police Department will provide this training if a non-certified applicant is hired.

For more information concerning employment with the Milford Police Department, contact the Administrative Services Office of the Milford Police Department at the following address/phone#:

Milford Police Department
Administrative Services Office
400 N.E. Front Street
Milford, DE 19963
(302) 422-8081

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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 07:20 pm

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Yes Bluesman it says they will hit the streets, but check with Milford PD I can guarantee you they won't be hitting the streets alone. Milford has a FTO program and each officer will have to complete that program before being allowed to patrol solo. You would have to check with Milford to see if the program is 8 or 12 weeks. As to out of state officers coming in and going to work. If they complete a training academy that the state deems equal to theirs they are given the opportunity to just take the state certification examination. Which is like a mini bar exam or doctors boards. (No where near as difficult) I have found during research that officers with higher educational backgrounds, such as those required by some departments such as DSP and New Castle County, will find far fewer allegations of miss use of force and position. So, what does that say, departments need to require some college. But of course that could cost us all, as people with college degrees demand more money, and many don't find the job requirements of law enforcement that redeeming to take the low starting pay compared to private industry. Departments like the two I mentioned to pay fairly well but what about a department like Wilmington or Smyrna or even small departments like Milford or Harrington?

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imnoone wrote: Im not going to argue with you because you KNOW EVERYTHING. You said 12-16 weeks not me. All of the downstate departments use DSPs academy and it is 22-26 weeks. Not the 12-16 you claim. Then upon graduation there is an fto program at all departments that is typically 8-12 weeks. So why dont you do the math.

No I don't know eveything, nor have I ever professed to. To clarify one point I made the 12 -16 week program was for the state of NH, I apologize if I misled anyone.
Just remember you obviously don't either. Now on to your 2 different tidbits of "information" you have disseminated.

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"Bluesman, Try 26 weeks of an academy then 12 additional weeks of on the job training. Not to mention the 6-8 month hiring process. But as usual, you believe what you want."

Now you change the "information" you post. You now claim: "All of the downstate departments use DSPs academy and it is 22-26 weeks. Then upon graduation there is an fto program at all departments that is typically 8-12 weeks."

I go by facts like Delaware State Law which clearly shows there is NO mandatory training period, for police officers in Delaware. The only requirement is that all officers hired in Delaware must attend an approved academy, (which I previously stated).

An officer from another state who moves to Delaware does not have to attend the DSP academy, prior to being hired by a municipality, if he meets all the criteria for hiring.

My information right from the DSP website (link provided previously).

A news article was published in The Milford Beacon on 2/22/08 about 2 new officers that are on the Milford force.

MPD adds two new officers
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jennifer@milfordbeacon.com

Milford has added to its patrol with new officers Robert Costlow and Jay Davidson.

Costlow, a Milford native, has always had an interest in the field of law enforcement. But after graduating from Wesley College in 2002 with a bachelor’s degree in liberal arts, he decided to try his hand at automobile sales before pursuing his true interest.

“I was always intrigued by it. I tried the office job and it wasn’t for me so I decided to pursue what I always wanted to do,” Costlow said.

Davidson, a Maryland native, was influenced by his father and cousin to become a police officer. His father, a Capitol Police officer and his cousin, a Queen Anne’s County police officer, allowed Davidson to tag along on rides to learn about the field of law enforcement.

Costlow and Davidson entered training Sept. 17, and graduated Feb. 8. The pair, who work 12-hour shifts, are currently on two weeks of internal duty before they hit the streets of Milford.

http://www.milfordbeacon.com/pages/news-2-22-08-3.html

As to what I believe I believe facts, that can be substantiated and proven.

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Im not going to argue with you because you KNOW EVERYTHING. You said 12-16 weeks not me. All of the downstate departments use DSPs academy and it is 22-26 weeks. Not the 12-16 you claim. Then upon graduation there is an fto program at all departments that is typically 8-12 weeks. So why dont you do the math.

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Posted: Mon Feb 25th, 2008 11:33 pm

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imnoone wrote: Bluesman, Try 26 weeks of an academy then 12 additional weeks of on the job training. Not to mention the 6-8 month hiring process. But as usual, you believe what you want.

It is 22 weeks of academy. The additional 12 weeks only applies to Delaware state troopers. http://dsp.delaware.gov/recruiting/academy.shtml

There is no state rule or regulation in Delaware that addresses a specific period or duration for any officers training or schooling. The only training criteria for a new officer is that they must graduate from an approved academy.

Milford hired 2 new officers who entered the academy on Sept 17, 2007 and graduated on Feb 5, 2008. They are doing routine patrol duty already.

Do the math they didn't train anywhere near the 38 weeks you state is required.

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Inqlings: Alycia Lane about to walk free?
By Michael Klein

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The camera loves Alycia Lane, and I hear it's a camera that will help her walk out of a New York City courtroom an almost-free woman tomorrow. The anchor's life and career were shaken Dec. 16 when she was arrested in Manhattan and charged with hitting a police officer after a traffic tiff. Her station, CBS3, fired her two weeks later. A source says a video that may cast doubt on the initial police report surfaced last month, prompting frank conversations between the Manhattan District Attorney's Office and Lane attorney David Smith. At tomorrow's hearing, the People of the State of New York are expected to formally agree to an adjournment in contemplation of dismissal. Under an ACD, if Lane stays out of trouble for six months, her record will be wiped clean. She will carry neither a guilty plea nor a conviction. No one surrounding the case - Smith, Manhattan Assistant District Attorney Mike Greenman, or Lane - returned calls for comment.

Another video surfaces. One can only speculate as to what is on the tape.

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Bluesman, Try 26 weeks of an academy then 12 additional weeks of on the job training. Not to mention the 6-8 month hiring process. But as usual, you believe what you want.

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So there must be some merit to their complaints then, as the evidence shows.

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If they weren’t cleaning up their own yard then who released the video, I’ll tell you the Sheriff’s Office did. They were not forced to by public outrage or anything they did it for transparency. They even did it be for the State Attorney’s Office agreed to proceed with charges. So yes they were cleaning up the own back yard. And if you like Bluesman would do a little research you will find that most Corrections Officers and Jail Deputies in America have complaints filed against them for assaulting prisoners. Most of them are without merit and unfounded. Thank you Bluesman I have read the court filings but that in itself only tells me the allegations and part of the Hales case. It gives me nothing from the State or City as far as rebutting the case. As I stated I will save judgment on both the officers and Mr. Hale until the evidence is presented at trial.

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So much for cleaning up their back yard as darkness states. If they had done so before voluntarily, they wouldn't be embarrassed by what she did this time. I guess there was no tape of the incident so it never happened.

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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 12:32 pm

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The same officer that dumped the quadraplegic out of the wheel chair had also prior to te wheel chair incident assaulted another person in custody as well.

As far as the Hale case the court filings are available with all the facts for public viewing.

I find it amazing that every other level of professional employment such as teachers, doctors, dentists, lawyers have to attend college for years, but not police officers. They complete a 12-16 week course, and have a gun put in their hand, a uniform, and badge and are sent out on the streets to uphold the laws.

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That is correct he made a statement to investigators but has not publicly commented on the incident. More than likely this silence is at the direction of his attorney, as I'm sure he will be suing the Sheriff's Office (Which he will do and win) and yes Velcron it does make all cops look bad, just as Mr. Hale's association with the Pagans looks bad. This is the uphill battle both side must fight. Public opinion is the strongest obstacle anyone has to overcome when perceptions cloud the facts of what is really taking place. Getting the truth out is very difficult in this type of environment. Just as I said in an earlier post, I don't know all the facts of Mr. Hale's case, yet I do know from past research on the matter that not everything in use of force cases is always as they appear at first light. The Force Science Research Center has done many studies as to how use of force takes place and has come up with some eye opening discoveries. They have shown how a suspect can be facing a officer with a weapon pointed at him, the officer can make the decision to shot and the suspect in that amount time (a fraction of a second) can turn and start running away causing the officer to hit the person in the back when the first and second rounds are fired. They have done extensive research on how a person’s perception is diminished during high stress encounters even if the person is highly trained to deal with those high stress encounters. So until I have seen or read the facts from both sides I will not judge the officers involved and being open minded I will not judge Mr. Hale. I will just wait for the facts to be presented in the case filed by Ms. Hale.

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Posted: Sun Feb 24th, 2008 01:26 am

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As a couple of you said that Mr hale was guilty by association, then aren't all cops guilty as they are of the "brotherhood"? The man in the wheelchair did in fact make a statement. I don't recall it word for word but he said something to the fact that he did try to tell them that he couldn't stand. That he was paralyzed and had no feeling from the waist down.

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The video was released by the Hillsborough Sheriff's Office. This incident was reported by other deputies that witnessed it. An the investigation was started by deputies not the guy tossed out of the wheelchair. He has not made public any comments as this point. So as for cleaning their own yard many departments do, the video just helped to prove the case.

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I guess the thing we learn from video is that all the people in this forum that will take the side of the police in every action they take are actually the ones that are ignorant of reality. I just want everyone to play by the same set of rules and if they force a penalty they should be made to answer for it. What if there wasn't a video on that wheelchair? What would the written report have shown? I think we all know the answer to that. He simply fell out of the chair and the officer did everything in her power to prevent it. It's pretty sad, but again it's that 5% that makes the 95% suffer. The 95% has to clean up their own backyard and instead of backing bad decisions, bring them to light.

And again, a picture of a Marine murdered by the hands of a Wilmington Policeman.

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The Deputy has been arrested on felony abuse of a disabled adult. She has also resigned from the Hillsbourgh Sheriff's Office.

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Posted: Mon Feb 18th, 2008 09:51 pm

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Apparently, the police dept down there didn't see the 'dumping' as justified either and there is a warrant out for the deputy who did it. Last I heard she had not turned herself in.

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Posted: Mon Feb 18th, 2008 08:26 pm

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I'd like to know everybody's thoughts on the sheriff's department on how they handled the man in the wheelchair. Was dumping him out of his wheelchair justifiable because he "wouldn't" stand up?

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Posted: Thu Feb 14th, 2008 08:17 pm

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Kirk,

They need to hold officers accountable for their actions like the ones in the Derek's case. More money isn't going to solve any crime on the streets as long as there's crime in the police ranks themselves. Do a search on lawsuits brought against Wilmington. Wilmington must be right up there in settlements paid to plaintiffs in suits brought against a municipality.

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Posted: Thu Feb 14th, 2008 10:41 am

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I don't understand where you are taking this.

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Posted: Wed Feb 13th, 2008 11:19 am

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There was another article that showed the crime rate had dropped in Wilmington last year. Major crimes dropped by a significant amount, murder 30% drop, gun crimes 9% drop.

http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080111/NEWS/80111011

I noticed some of the money sought by Beau Biden is for administrative help and not going out to the street where the crime is. I don't have an answer but it would seem to be more important to go after the major crimes and not focus as much on the numbers game of x amount of arrests per month. Crime and politics shouldn't mix and unfortunately they do, and we as the unwitting citizens get caught in the middle.

Wilmington is also the #1 city in the United States for people infected with HIV.

"Drugs and gangs gained a greater profile in the city throughout the 1980s and 1990s, as did many cities across the country. As a result of these trends, the city encountered an escalation of violent crimes (murder, assault, armed robbery), and put Wilmington among the nation's most dangerous cities for its size. To counter this crime wave, Wilmington became the first city in the U.S. to have its entire downtown area under surveillance: some $800,000 worth of video cameras (some bought with public money, some by downtown businesses) have the exteriors of all buildings in view, and the technicians who monitor them dispatch the city's police to the scene of any crime or suspicious activity they see, while it is still happening. Recently, the city has expanded the surveillance program into some of the more crime-ridden neighborhoods.

Among the residential streets, the Wilmington Police Department started a program known as jump-outs, in which unmarked police vans would cruise crime-prone neighborhoods late at night, "jump-out" at corners where residents were loitering and detain them temporarily. Using loitering as probable cause, the police would then photograph, search, and fingerprint everyone present. This would improve the police's records in case fingerprints or eye-witnesses were available at future crimes, along with catching anyone with drugs or weapons on them. Controversy spread from the observation that such a practice was a violation of civil rights, and racial profiling."

Crime Rate per 100,000 people:

Wilmington
National

Murder
16.2
6.9

Forcible Rape
36.52
32.2

Robbery
585.6
195.4

Aggravated Assault
780.4
340.1

Burglary
1105
814.5

Larceny Theft
2845.6
2734.7

Vehicle Theft
693.8
526.5

(from a 2006 statistical report for Wilmington's crime.)

Here is another article a bit unrelated but I think it shows that there are some real problems with the police and fire departments. This one cost the city of Wilmington $78,000.00 because supervisors wouldn't do their jobs and investigate the complaint.

http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080208/NEWS/802080338/1006/NEWS

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Posted: Wed Feb 13th, 2008 10:41 am

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Just wondering how many people saw this article in the Wilmington News-Journal the other day. http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080208/NEWS/802080339/1006/NEWS

In view of this news, which I didn't know, shouldn't we be supporting our police more? Do we want them to be more warm and fuzzy, thus having Delaware creep up to being the #1 state in violent crime?

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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 10:44 pm

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I'm ready.

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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 09:37 pm

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Kirk,

I was shocked to read that Wilmington PD has spent $800,000. on cameras that are on all the time watching people on the streets. I'm sorry I find that to be to "police state" to me. One has to wonder about the new members who have only posted in this topic slamming you, are they possibly the John Does named in the civil suit or friends or related to them.

Obviously the only way the investigative report will be released is to sue the Wilmington Police Department and the DE AG under the FOIA.

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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 09:34 pm

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imnoone wrote: I know he was house sitting. And yes, at a house where a raid was conducted one day prior. Im sure you realize a search warrant had to be approved for this search. And if they didnt find anything on that particular day that doesnt mean there wasnt anything there at any other time. But your right, Mr Hale and the ex-wife new nothing about either. Im ashamed of myself for suggested that either one of them knew anything about any of it. But remember this, if it looks like poo and smells like poo, it probably is.

You are correct and the same goes for the police in this case. The "story" the police fabricated including the blatant lie told to Virginia police that there was an arrest warrant for Derek Hale, is unacceptable as far as I am concerned.

If they truly felt they had done nothing wrong then there was no need for the police spin to the media on who Derek Hale allegedly was. The only thing he was guilty of was the fact he belonged to a motorcycle group. Yes, I realize the search warrant had to be authorized, but irregardless there was nothing there illegal. It's not like the homeowner was tipped off, and he cleaned everything out.

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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 09:06 pm

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This has been a very busy day here. Blues, I can't honestly say I feel your pain because I haven't had anything like that happen to me. I can understand that you have had a taste of reality and it sure tasted sour. What is easily recognized is that before you speak, you do research so there are valid facts backing up your statements. The justice system is based on facts, but those facts have to get to the courts before they can be tried and decisioned.

I have repeated in this forum what I have read and researched. Unfortunately there is no reasoning printed on the side of the officer, that is sad, but silence is a statement of it's own. The Wilmington Police Department was supposed to release their findings but they didn't. The investigation and it's conclusion should have been made available to the public, it hasn't. This is a case that does not pass the smell test. If it doesn't pass it should be tried. Anytime anything goes on behind closed doors of a public nature, untill it becomes public it remains suspicious.

My opinion has always been that this looks like murder to me. The forum agrees there are two opposing sides to this subject. Neither side having enough information to convince the other side where the truth lays. There are facts we can agree on. A person is dead as the result of gunshot wounds caused by the discharged weapon of a police officer. The value of this human life is in question. The opposition says because he was associated with the Pagans he maintains a lower life value. We say life is equal among all people and has the highest value on this planet. Since our opposition values Derek's life on a lower value scale his death is unfortunate but so be it because of who he was. We are arguing that anytime a death occurs other than accidental there has to be a cause and whether that cause was justified or not. The opposition says that because the witnesses are either associated with the Pagans or are not police officers their accounts of the incident should go unnoticed. That's an easy one, all testimony is valuable when attempting to find the truth. And the truth is what the public wants.

I feel the only way we can get to the truth is face off in front of 12 people and let them decide the facts. That is why we have a court system. No human loss of life, unless accidental or suicidal, should go unanswered in the eyes and the ears of the public. There should be no doubt as to the circumstances of the loss of a human life. I would honestly have been satisfied with the officer admitting he made a mistake, take a simple manslaughter charge and go find another job. Then the family would find satisfaction in the courts of Derek's life value. What is appalling is the in your face attitude that is present here. The new precident of taking into custody procedure, 3 taser strikes and then 3 shots to the chest. That should make understanding law enforcement easier for all of us. Now I'll be able to do my shopping and not think twice when a shoplifter is tased 3 times then shot 3 times. I know now that is accepted procedure to apprehend someone. But then the shoplifter was in the act of commiting a crime. Maybe that procedure is tase twice and shoot three times. You are given an extra tase warning for three times before being shot if you might be thinking about commiting a crime. It is all crystal clear stay out of Wilmington.

Oh yes, and for those that haven't had the opportunity to see the violent criminal that had to be tased 3 times and shot 3 times before being apprehended for a crime he didn't commit.

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Posted: Mon Feb 11th, 2008 08:00 pm

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I know he was house sitting. And yes, at a house where a raid was conducted one day prior. Im sure you realize a search warrant had to be approved for this search. And if they didnt find anything on that particular day that doesnt mean there wasnt anything there at any other time. But your right, Mr Hale and the ex-wife new nothing about either. Im ashamed of myself for suggested that either one of them knew anything about any of it. But remember this, if it looks like poo and smells like poo, it probably is.

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