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Bluesman
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Posted: Mon Oct 20th, 2008 01:41 am |
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It is a well proven fact that rental properties within a development devalue the adjoining properties resale value by 20%.
If anyone would like I can post or send anyone via email some good links about setting up bylaws and such as you are talking about in regard to HOA's. One way we have began to alleviate rental properties in our development is to triple the annual dues for non residing property owners.
Most HOA rules and bylaws set in place (even if it is deed restriction) a must be enforced through the Chancellor's Court because they are civil not criminal, which can get very expensive.
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| Why throw a fit? That's stupid. We are all equal and nobody is better than anyone else. But why would anyone want to look at trash falling all over the street and blowing into neighbors' yards? Trash and tall grass make a neighborhood look like Section 8 housing because those are two things that CAN be easily remedied bujt usually aren't because of laziness. I agree that there are things we also need to improve on our property but anything that can be quickly fixed with a lawnmower or with the "energy" to bring the trash can is done. For example, when we first moved in (and I mean within a week) we were told by the City of Dover that we had to remove a bush that was growing over the electrical box. Obviously, that bush had been there for quite a while before we moved in based on its overgrowth. But we went out the next day and took down the entire bush, roots and all....because we were asked to do so. So to answer your question...all's fair.
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Posted: Sun Oct 19th, 2008 02:06 am |
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ed91w wrote: My question is if you start a homeowners association or have the city look at the violations what would you do if you were written up. If the city comes they have to look at everything. What happens if you get written up as well for a violation. will you comply or have a fit becuase you think your problem isnt as bad as others. These type of issues really relate to " dont throw stones at glass houses". What legal authority does an association have. Im not writing to start drama, but it a valid issue to worry about. Please dont take this negative , but it is bound to happen. My example would be you call the city for a code enforcement compliance officer to respond for your neighbor with trash can overflowing and tall grass. While the officer is there he/she notices that you have a violation such as pealing paint or a missing slate on your fence and issues you a citation. All i am saying is you cant pick and choose what problems to look for.
ed91w, I completely agree with what your thinking regarding the city enforcement, if they show up and start issuing citations, then they better be writing them for anything and everything that is at issue, regardless of severity or residence.
As far as associations go, depending on how the deed is written, a homeowners association does have legal powers to enforce rules. Of course, they have to use their dues to hire an attorney to issue a letter regarding the matter and that could cut in to the budget that pays for things like the upkeep of common areas.
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Posted: Sun Oct 19th, 2008 01:27 am |
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| My question is if you start a homeowners association or have the city look at the violations what would you do if you were written up. If the city comes they have to look at everything. What happens if you get written up as well for a violation. will you comply or have a fit becuase you think your problem isnt as bad as others. These type of issues really relate to " dont throw stones at glass houses". What legal authority does an association have. Im not writing to start drama, but it a valid issue to worry about. Please dont take this negative , but it is bound to happen. My example would be you call the city for a code enforcement compliance officer to respond for your neighbor with trash can overflowing and tall grass. While the officer is there he/she notices that you have a violation such as pealing paint or a missing slate on your fence and issues you a citation. All i am saying is you cant pick and choose what problems to look for.
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DoverDelawarean
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Posted: Thu Sep 18th, 2008 12:07 pm |
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Vindicator, your reply doesn't really warrant a response given how screwed up it is. Hint: check you sources before you attribute a quote to someone and then develop a whole argument around it and tell someone to go "re-read" their post when you can't even proof read yours.
But, for the sake of satisfying certain peoples inability to make reasonable assumptions and references, I have modified my original post:
Does Millcreek have a large rental base? Of all the deadbeat properties in my neighborhood, a large majority of them are rental properties.
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 06:47 pm |
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Delaware Native: Maybe you should re-read your post. It clearly suggests "all" and not just a "few."
DelawareNative wrote: Rentals are destroying my current neighborhood. Now that people can't get home loans, I would expect this to worsen. I agree with the other poster that rentals are turds. We have rentals that fly nascar flags, put dogs into toddler playpens in their back yards, leave their dogs outside barking while they work till 11pm, panhandle for money (true story), leave the trash out, park in the street, never mow, fight and carry on, rental kids that are trouble/bullies, and we had a drug lord renter move in as well. etc, etc...
And just because the Prophet of Doom called you out and analogized your post as something absurd, you respond by calling him a troll. I think he made sense and exposed your prejudiced view of renters.
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 06:32 pm |
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Sorry to get off topic again. As I mentioned, I live in Millcreek and I do not own a lawnmower. Is there anyone in the neighborhood with a lawnmower who would be willing to cut my grass (maybe someone's son?) for ten bucks? If you know anyone, please e-mail me. Thanks a lot.
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 03:16 pm |
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Ok...I think we will set up a meeting. You (or anyone in Millcreek) can email me on here if you are interested. Just tag the subject line as MILLCREEK so I don't think it's junk mail.
I did not know about the apartment buildings. Not good. We just moved in last year but may need to re-think staying here permanently if things turn sour.
I agree about your park concerns. My husband and I thought about that, too. Perhaps another discussion for our meeting?
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 03:11 pm |
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| If you are an owner and read your deed restrictions the original builder had established a homeowners association. The original owners voted down a "park" in the field. I deffinetly do not want one as this is a good place for the local kids to play but it is registered as a City of Dover park and thus anyone can use it. There was a football team practicing there a few weeks ago and they left trash on the field and in the street. There are many homes in the development that are eyesores and are not up to city of Dover standards. You can call the City and they will remove expired tagged vehicles, they will also fine people for not cutting their grass. I think the downturn in the economy has helped us since we have less of a rental turnover then we did 2 years ago. I think another big concern we have is the development thatis to be built behind us, nearly 1000 apartment units that will us our development as a drive thru to avoid the light at West Dennys. I would deffinetly be interested in doing something at least having a meeting. We have many neighbors that are politicaly active as you can tell by the signs perhaps now is a time to start.
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 12:26 pm |
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| People are getting off topic...back to the Homeowner's Association. Can we just hold a public meeting for anyone interested and then set up guidelines for the neighborhood i.e. trash, grass cutting, multi-colored shutters, etc? I am not planning on suing anybody...we have already talked to the City of Dover about getting a playground in that center grass area. They were receptive to it but nothing has happened. Perhaps we need a stronger showing from the residents...I just want to make sure that if I hold a meeting that I am not violating any laws...and I am not fond of going to a lawyer and getting charged $200/hour to find out.
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 10:56 am |
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| A homeowners association is only as good as the Board of Governors that make it up. Most won't do a d**n thing, we have one where I live and they refuse to enforce any of the restrictions and bylaws. The one thing they WILL do however in a heartbeat is put a lein on your property if you don't pay your dues.
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 04:35 am |
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I actually really like Millcreek, and there is a large tenant population. It's pretty quiet around here. If I end up staying in Delaware and decide to buy, I'd probably look into purchasing a home in this development.
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 03:43 am |
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| I have to ask, if you rent a house would you want to buy a house in a community that has tenants? Or, are you planning to eventually purchase a house in a neighborhood of fellow homeowners?
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 03:27 am |
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You guys are missing the point. There are deadbeats who rent and their are renters who are responsible and take care of the place they call home. My comment did not classify every renter as a deadbeat as your ASSumptions state.
As a renter in Millcreek, you should be just as fired up with those who are not holding up their end of the bargain instead of taking offense to someone who only wants to make the neighbordhood you live in better.
I apologize to everyone who took offense to my comment. Obviously if you took offense it was not intentional.
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 02:30 am |
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I live in Millcreek and I am renting. I am a teacher with a graduate degree-- I teach both high school and college. I am certaintly not a deadbeat; in fact, I have no children. I also take care of my residence.
The reason I rent is because I am simply not ready to own a home. I am 25 and not sure where the next few years are going to take me.
Not all renters cause problems!!
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Posted: Wed Sep 17th, 2008 12:59 am |
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Prophet of Doom wrote: So what we have here is the supposition that if one cannot afford to purchase a home and by circumstances is forced to rent, he is automatically placed in the category of "turd." If that be the logic, then all homeowners are automatically placed in the category of "desirable."
So by what is posted here, if one flys a NASCAR flag, he is now presumed to be a renter and therefore a "turd" or otherwise undesirable.
Another easy way to spot a renter is to see if a car is parked in the street, or if a trash can is left out, or if he has a barking dog.
The further presumption is that all are also deadbeats. Hmmmmm.
Now according to the posters here, all one has to do is to eliminate all rental properties, displace those that live therein, and find some way to finance those homes to bone fide homeowners. Then you will eliminate crime, disease, poverty, deadbeats, and all other undesirables.
By Heavens, we are all doomed!
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Posted: Tue Sep 16th, 2008 10:22 pm |
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I do not think that all renters are deadbeats by any means. I was a renter up until last year. However, I do think that a lot of rentals have issues. There are quite a few in our neighborhood now and they look a lot worse than the ones owned by the residents who live there.
My issue is actually with 2 homeowners, though. Both of my neighbors own their homes and they are near one entrance to the community. It looks horrible. How hard is it to pick up a Dover Post from the driveway on Wednesday? Or to take your trash can in after it's been emptied? I've watched them walk right by both many times!!!
I believe that no matter where you live, if you rent or own, that you should take pride in your home. And if you have neighbors, think about them as well. Consideration! Is it gone?
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Posted: Tue Sep 16th, 2008 09:41 pm |
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So what we have here is the supposition that if one cannot afford to purchase a home and by circumstances is forced to rent, he is automatically placed in the category of "turd." If that be the logic, then all homeowners are automatically placed in the category of "desirable."
So by what is posted here, if one flys a NASCAR flag, he is now presumed to be a renter and therefore a "turd" or otherwise undesirable.
Another easy way to spot a renter is to see if a car is parked in the street, or if a trash can is left out, or if he has a barking dog.
The further presumption is that all are also deadbeats. Hmmmmm.
Now according to the posters here, all one has to do is to eliminate all rental properties, displace those that live therein, and find some way to finance those homes to bone fide homeowners. Then you will eliminate crime, disease, poverty, deadbeats, and all other undesirables.
By Heavens, we are all doomed!
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| You might be moving to a new neighborhood but I wouldn't expect anything different. Up here in Clayton , the police can't even enforce speeding laws in one development because the developer hasn't turned it over yet. With the current pace of house building it will be a few more years of lawlessness until that happens. Your best bet would be to move into a place that has been around for a while and has a stable population ,-if there is any place like that in Delaware anymore.
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Posted: Tue Sep 16th, 2008 03:24 pm |
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Hire a lawyer like Paradee and put up some $ for registered letters to owners/ lenders and then put a lein on those units.The association is probably already formed and the developer probably would love for you to take over. Make new stringent rules and start filing fines and liens. That will get their and there lenders attention
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Posted: Tue Sep 16th, 2008 05:07 am |
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Rentals are destroying my current neighborhood. Now that people can't get home loans, I would expect this to worsen. I agree with the other poster that rentals are turds. We have rentals that fly nascar flags, put dogs into toddler playpens in their back yards, leave their dogs outside barking while they work till 11pm, panhandle for money (true story), leave the trash out, park in the street, never mow, fight and carry on, rental kids that are trouble/bullies, and we had a drug lord renter move in as well. With the drug lord, we had the delaware state troopers come to our homeowner association meeting to tell us to stay away from him - great.
You need a quorum of over 50% of your neighborhood to form a homeowner's association. You also need hefty dues, because the ONLY way to force someone to do anything is to sue them. The neighborhood has to be over 90% finished (if new construction) before the developer has to hand it over. It would be great if you could get some Pro Bono help for that, as in having an attorney live in your neighborhood. Our dues are really cheap, like $150 a year per home, and they have a hard time getting THAT from most people. With over 100 homes, we are lucky to get 20 to show up for a meeting. It really is sad. Over 10% are now renters. It is nothing like it was when we first bought our home new 9 years ago.
We are moving to one of those nice neighborhoods that you mentioned, and we hope it will be different.
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Posted: Tue Sep 16th, 2008 12:14 am |
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Unless your willing to have that uncomfortable conversation with those who are causing the problems you say, you are wasting your time. Even then, you have to hope that they are reasonable people who will respond in kind.
Does Millcreek have a large rental base? Of all the deadbeat properties in my neighborhood, a large majority of them are rental properties.
Good luck.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15th, 2008 11:45 pm |
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| I live in Millcreek and am really annoyed with how the neighborhood is going downhill. Trash cans are left out front for days after the trash is collected. The Dover Post is still in driveways long after the Wednesday delivery. Unwanted items are piled on the sides of houses for months. Grass isn't cut for weeks. How does a homeowner's association get started? Any suggestions? We may not live in Wild Quail or Pennwood but our neighborhood should still look as good as possible....like we take pride in where we live. Is there anything us conscientious homeowners can do?
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