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Posted: Sun Oct 19th, 2008 08:29 pm |
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| it comes from everyones pocket worry bout where your paycheck goes not welfare are u concerned when big business gets big money tax cuts and earmarks drugtest that
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Posted: Sun Oct 19th, 2008 08:27 pm |
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it ok for president to get elected with no drug test look at w.bush
howwe know he ain't on something evreytime u turn around govment spending billions trillions and it ain't helping the economy maybe they need a drug test before votin on earmarked bills
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Posted: Sun Oct 19th, 2008 08:11 pm |
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but we give away trillions of dollars to big business do they get drug tested maybe thats why they can' invest money properly maybe when they get thier six seven or eight figure bonusee that money goes up the nose too
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Posted: Sun Oct 19th, 2008 08:06 pm |
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but it ok for tax money to go to war and ceo pockets where my money i pay taxes
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Posted: Sun Oct 19th, 2008 07:59 pm |
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| Excuse me Ms. America but my money is my money an How I spend my money is my buzines and not your problem miss thing. An plus if i want to buy Capn Crunch or if want to buy a cajuzzi and cable tv that is my choice to make. An plus i do contribyute to society i pay taxes out my unemployment an i vote. An you best beleaf I am votin for Obama plus Colen Powil is on our side now so i no he gone win. It time for change an that the real truth!
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Posted: Sun Oct 19th, 2008 07:41 pm |
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work4your$ wrote: I'm right in there with StandupforAmerica and Toocoolforschool - it's our money, and we have every right to demand accountability for how it is spent, used, or abused - who cares if this pertains to Dover? Aren't we talking about AMERICAN money? It pertains to all hard-working Americans and how their tax $ is being used/abused at the direction of our politicians - the more liberal the politician, the less $ the working American ends up with in their pockets!
Vote Republican.
The Dems won't be satisfied til they wipe out the Middle Class.
Wake Up before it is too late.
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Posted: Sun Oct 19th, 2008 06:42 pm |
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| I'm right in there with StandupforAmerica and Toocoolforschool - it's our money, and we have every right to demand accountability for how it is spent, used, or abused - who cares if this pertains to Dover? Aren't we talking about AMERICAN money? It pertains to all hard-working Americans and how their tax $ is being used/abused at the direction of our politicians - the more liberal the politician, the less $ the working American ends up with in their pockets!
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Posted: Sun Oct 19th, 2008 06:16 pm |
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| Excuse me! It's not a matter of what political party you are affiliated with, it's a matter of being sick and tried of picking up the tab for non-working, Captain Crunch eating, Jerry Springer watching loafers. If you don't work, and ask for welfare, it's not "your" money it's "my" money, and the money of "every" gainfully employed citizen. As a tax paying individual, since the age of 16, it is my business how you spend my money. To be honest, we don't have to argue about this. I can solve our differences very quickly, if you don't want me in your business, get off my payroll, and start being a contributing member of society. One last suggestion, try the grammar/spell check tab. It's the little button to the left with the letters abc.
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Posted: Sun Oct 19th, 2008 03:13 pm |
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| Well, I live in Dover, DE so that's why. However, it's an issue everywhere, I'm sure.
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Posted: Sun Oct 19th, 2008 05:31 am |
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How is this a local Dover issue??????
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Posted: Sat Oct 18th, 2008 11:05 pm |
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| Excuse me sir, but I can tell you a republican. Just one more atempt at bringin us unfortshonate folk down. Oh I must be a drug user becuz im on welfare. well let me tell you somthin, just becuz you have to take a drug test to work dont make it right to test all everyone who on welfare, that the job you chose. if someone want to smoke them a little piece of somthin that is up to them an this is an invashion of privasy an trust me i know all about the forth amendmant. OK?. An plus what somone do with there money is up to them!
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| I agree 100% with this poster. What arguement can one possibly raise? Invasion of privacy? Get over it. I was subject to a pre-employment drug screening and I am subject to random drug tests....why should someone receiving welfare be held to a lower standard? If you are on welfare and this offends you...get off of welfare. Besides, if you have nothing to hide it should be looked at as just another step in the process for receiving benefits. If you are on welfare and you are on drugs then you obvioulsy dont need the welfare money...or the government is buying your drugs for you. The agruments raised in this thread are completely laughable toocoolforschool you should run for public office. The 1996 Welfare Reform act authorized states to impose mandatory drug testing as a prerequisite to receiving state welfare assistance. Currently Michigan is the only state that requires random drug testing of welfare recipients. The ACLU contends that drug testing welfare recipients is a violation of the fourth ammendment protecting against unlawful search and seizure. However, in my opinion I feel that if you agree to the terms that would be set forth (i.e. drug testing), then you are consenting to the possibility of a drug test. When I applied for my job, it clearly stated on the application that if I were the successful candidate I would be required to pass a drug test. It obviously wasnt a violation of my 4th amendment right because I knowingly agreed to it. If you make it the law and a prerequisite, it is no longer a violation of your constitutional rights. If something is the law, how could it possibly be misconstrued as unlawful?
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Posted: Sat Oct 18th, 2008 09:43 pm |
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| I think the big picture here is aimed at those who are on state assistance and are deadbeats - not those who are truly in need, use it for a short time, and get back on their feet. The drug testing is a good idea - if you are on welfare and have nothing to hide, then you shouldn't object to a drug test. As the writer said, you have to be drug-tested to keep your job, don't you? Why not have the same requirement to keep your welfare? Again, the focus is to remove deadbeats from abusing the system - they're out there, and we pay for them.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17th, 2008 10:49 pm |
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Show me the place in any state's budget where they returned welfare funding to the Fed's.
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Some of the money is returned to the federal government, some goes into the training program to offer incentives to employment ,like bus passes, and some is ear marked into the day care assistance program to aid moderate income clients get subsidized day care.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17th, 2008 08:27 pm |
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Toocoolforschool wrote: Im dressing up as a democrat for Halloween this year. I'll stay home, you go out. We will split your candy 50/50 
you just be too cool for your body. ms. cool i like the way you think. spreadin the wealth o candy be the way to go. but i am stayin home to. can i stay home wif you and we can jump out and takes someones candy together.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17th, 2008 06:56 pm |
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| Some of the money is returned to the federal government, some goes into the training program to offer incentives to employment ,like bus passes, and some is ear marked into the day care assistance program to aid moderate income clients get subsidized day care.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17th, 2008 04:37 pm |
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| Im dressing up as a democrat for Halloween this year. I'll stay home, you go out. We will split your candy 50/50
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Posted: Fri Oct 17th, 2008 12:33 pm |
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So where is all of the welfare money going if no one bothers applying for it any more?
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......As an aside, because of the requirements to get a check most people opt not to even bother applying for it anymore. These rules separate the needy from the greedy. If you suspect someone of actually scamming the state to get benefits report them for investigation.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17th, 2008 03:15 am |
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Most of you people are uninformed about the current welfare rules in Delaware. Since 1986 anyone convicted of trafficking in drugs has been ineligible for benefits for the rest of their lives. Anyone convicted with possession can only get benefits if they undergo treatment and volunteers for random drug testing.
A typical mother with 2 children only gets $338 a month in welfare. She has to go to a work program 35 hours a week every week to get that check. If she misses a day she has to go to the program a full month before she can get a check again. She can only receive a total of 36 months worth of benefits for her entire life. Once on welfare any children she has after the first ten months will never be eligible to receive money, her "family cap" does not allow for any increases in benefits for more children. The mother also has to take parenting courses, must verify that her children have good attendance at school, and must make sure that her children's immunizations are in accord with state standards. Anytime they do not meet these responsibilities there check will be reduced by $50 a month each month until they comply or their benefits are extinguished. Granted most people on welfare do get other aids, that same mother gets about $400 in food supplements, Medicaid and subsidized day care for the work activity.If any one of you knocking people on welfare I am sure they would gladly trade places with most people.
As an aside, because of the requirements to get a check most people opt not to even bother applying for it anymore. These rules separate the needy from the greedy. If you suspect someone of actually scamming the state to get benefits report them for investigation.
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DEMOCRAT = SECULAR PROGRESSIVE = SOCIALIST = COMMUNIST = TYRANNIST.
Anyone still doubt the above fact, after reading a few folks here who know how to post but don't know grammar or spelling, and after hearing the plans that Senator Obama has for this country should he be elected President?
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Playing the Game wrote: You jumped on me like a Liberal on a bailout.
I'll have to remember that line!
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Playing the Game wrote: Wow! Are you ever new here. Welcome.
LMAO
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Posted: Thu Oct 16th, 2008 11:23 pm |
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| Some of those on welfare and other food programs really do take advantage of the system. Believe me when I say I have been behind some of those who are working the system in the grocery line. It is amazing that they manage to feed their families better than I can feed mine. My husband works a lot of hours just to try and make us comfortable. I do resent that Obama says that he wants to take from the rich and give to the poor especially when he's giving to those who don't (or refuse to) work, don't pay taxes, and then take collect a tax check/handout from my tax dollars. Redistribution of wealth=Socialism.
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Posted: Thu Oct 16th, 2008 11:14 pm |
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Whats that bumper sticker say "Don't breed em', if you cant feed em"? No one's putting a gun to these peoples heads and telling them to have multiple bastard offspring with loser boyfriend/hookup after loser boyfriend/hookup.
Like I said before how destitute do you have to be that you cant afford food for your kids? It aint that expensive. I think instead of handing out WIC checks to these losers the state should just send them out tips on how to save money by cutting back on their rims, lotto tickets, beer, and cigarette budget.
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WIC (Women, Infants and Children) is probably the best of the programs available to mothers and children. When was the last time you bought formula? When was the last time you priced or purchased the vital nutrition this program provides? (Cheese, milk, etc)
I have no issues with WIC by itself. I guess you are observing those who take from all sources and are basing your judgements on that observation.
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I know what WIC is Fred and just like welfare its abused by way too many people. It's time to stop the freebies for these deadbeats. If you cant afford to have kids, don't have them. Keep your legs shut and keep that thing in your pants. Why's that so hard for some people? In response to dragonfly, why should women get WIC checks at all? Are things really that tough that you cant afford some cheerios, milk, fruit juice and cheese? Come on you know those people arent destitute. They can afford all that other junk but dont want to spend their money on their kids. Why's it my problem and the problem of other taxpayers to feed their kids. I didnt tell them to have kids. Odds are their kids will grow up to be criminals.
Welfare/WIC/Foodstamps should be only for people who truly NEED it. Like one step above being homeless NEED it. Not for people that pump out unwanted illegitimate children and use them to build a career off scamming taxpayers.
Also, Fred, I stand by my statement about military members and their families. Like I said married servicemembers and their dependents get an allowance for food. If there is a need for a social services than the problem is with the servicemember. And he's probably going to have a talk with the Commander about why he can't keep his finances straight. Like I said military pay really is not that bad, even for the lower ranking members.
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| I understand the concern for children however that is why we have foster care and that is probably your answer for concern.
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| Do you know what the conversation is about? Oh smart one. Well to fill you in-the welfare system is being abused by individuals who can walk, talk breathe just like you and I. People are upset about it being taking advantage of by well being people that could work like most people. The government wants people to be drug tested to work to pay taxes to them and help the welfare system; why can't it be the same for those individuals? FOOD FOR THOUGHT. Last edited on Thu Oct 16th, 2008 09:03 pm by JKD
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Playing the Game wrote: You must be a racist republican.
yeah. they dont know how the game is played. guess you do.
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Posted: Thu Oct 16th, 2008 06:21 pm |
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Cheating goes on in every human endeavor. Be it someone who leaves work early, be it bringing home school supplies from the office, be it adding a few deductions to your taxes, it goes on.
Now...are there people who should not get WIC? Sure. Food Stamps? Absoulutely. However, I've been doing the shopping for my family for over 15 years, and I can tell you ONE time that I saw someone buy steaks with food stamps. I generally see people buying the same stuff as what was in my food basket.
If there are cheats, let's go after them. If there are better systems to take care of people, let's institute them, but let's not think that a few bad apples means the whole system is bad.
One can go to youtube and find videos shot of people getting ready to attend their candidate for President and they look like absolute idiots. They say things that are false, they say things that are hateful, and they say things that most supporters would be embarrassed to be in the same country with. This does not mean that all supporters mirror the idiocy of those who's family tree apparently doesn't have too many branches.
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Posted: Thu Oct 16th, 2008 06:20 pm |
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| I definitely agree with that. Adults look good driving with rims suv---geared up but their kids look dirty as hell, mama got a food stamp card or wic card. Pathetic to me.
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| I couldn't agree more. I have to drug test to have a job that pays taxes to the government. How can people receive free money, food stamps, HUD etc from government without drug testing. I just hope the welfare system/government reads this and takes this serious do you know how money they might save. To maybe fix our economy instead of giving the money away without checking on who it goes to. Maybe we can help some more unfortuanate people that really deserve it besides the ones that are not motivated and want to sell drugs. I live in Indianapolis, IN I see this daily. I promise this is one of the main problems with the system.
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I know what WIC is Fred and just like welfare its abused by way too many people. It's time to stop the freebies for these deadbeats. If you cant afford to have kids, don't have them. Keep your legs shut and keep that thing in your pants. Why's that so hard for some people? In response to dragonfly, why should women get WIC checks at all? Are things really that tough that you cant afford some cheerios, milk, fruit juice and cheese? Come on you know those people arent destitute. They can afford all that other junk but dont want to spend their money on their kids. Why's it my problem and the problem of other taxpayers to feed their kids. I didnt tell them to have kids. Odds are their kids will grow up to be criminals.
Welfare/WIC/Foodstamps should be only for people who truly NEED it. Like one step above being homeless NEED it. Not for people that pump out unwanted illegitimate children and use them to build a career off scamming taxpayers.
Also, Fred, I stand by my statement about military members and their families. Like I said married servicemembers and their dependents get an allowance for food. If there is a need for a social services than the problem is with the servicemember. And he's probably going to have a talk with the Commander about why he can't keep his finances straight. Like I said military pay really is not that bad, even for the lower ranking members.
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| WIC doesn't allow anyone to "live" off the government. It provides some food for low income people to help their children.
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| You should have intrusion in your life if you want to live off of the government. Period. If you don't like it, don't go on welfare. There has to be a better process, otherwise ANYONE can go on state assistance.
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I don't believe that. There are plenty of military programs to prevent members and dependents from going on food stamps/WIC. Im not even sure if military members and dependents would even be elgible for these programs. If you are in the military and NEED food stamps and WIC something is wrong. Military pay really aint that bad at all especially considering you dont need to pay for housing (barracks or if you have a family you get allowance), food (chow hall or if you have a family theres an allowance for that too), medical, or dental
There are about 25,000 military families on food stamps. Whether this is wrong or not is more reflective of the individual situation (lower ranks, larger family) than anything else.
Not sure if you are aware, but most married soldiers don't eat at the mess hall (well, "Dining Facility", now). The reason is that if they don't, they get what is called "seperate rations". It does nothing for their family.
As for the larger point...I've been subject to random drug tests for over a quarter of a century, and I see the need. However, I don't want to give the government any more power over anybody. If they can do it for one thing, why not everything? If they can do drug tests, why not alcohol tests? Why not "fat tests" for other government benefits?
No, I am against the drug testing NOT for those on WIC, or any sort of these programs which are for the kids, not the adults after all, because I don't want the government having any more intrusion into my life.
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"You'd be surprised at how many young military families receive food stamps/WIC. Are you willing to go there and test them too? What a way to thank someone who puts their life on the line so you can spout crap like this."
I don't believe that. There are plenty of military programs to prevent members and dependents from going on food stamps/WIC. Im not even sure if military members and dependents would even be elgible for these programs. If you are in the military and NEED food stamps and WIC something is wrong. Military pay really aint that bad at all especially considering you dont need to pay for housing (barracks or if you have a family you get allowance), food (chow hall or if you have a family theres an allowance for that too), medical, or dental.
Also if a military member was told to get a drug test, they wouldnt take it personally. When I was in the service I had to pee in a cup about once every month or two and it didnt bother me any. It didnt bother me because I knew it was deterring people from disgracing the armed services by using drugs and catching the losers that do use drugs. Kind of like the way it should be with welfare. If you dont use drugs you have nothing to worry about. The minority in the welfare system are people who actually really do need it such as indigent senior citizens and people with special needs. But Id say the majority are people who cant balance "needs" and "wants" and thinks society owes them something because they were too freaking STUPID to do well in school and get a decent job. Or they are lazy. Too many people have champagne tastes on a beer budget. I think the real people that deserve some appreciation are the ones that feed and take care of their kids without the help of government services. They may not have rims on their car and fancy clothes or make do with a non plasma tv but have something called pride and dignity.
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Steve, WIC is a different program and many people working qualify for it. It's for Women (pregnant or nursing), Infants and Children under 5. They are very limited as to what they can use it for - 100% juice, a pound of cheese, Cheerios, milk, formula and baby food, that's about it. You don't have to be injured to get it, just meet the financial guidelines set.
As far as working during the day, lots of people work shift work, or work at places like a hospital or factory or retail where they work evenings. Many people work weekends and have time off during the week (as I do). I still work full time, as does my husband who works 12 hours shifts and has off many weekdays. Not everyone works 9-5 Monday through Friday. As far as dressing nice, well there were years when I was dressing from Goodwill for work, although you never would have known it. I was wearing Donna Karan skirts and Liz Claibourne sweaters that cost me $2.50 each!
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| How in the world are you punishing or abusing these people if they don't use or abuse drugs? It would just be part of the process! You need to stop responding because you have pathetic come-backs. I can't argue with you, because you make no sense. You can't even answer the questions that I asked. It's not about singling ANYONE out, it's about treating EVERYONE equally. Testing EVERYONE! Just like when you get a job ANYWHERE...they test EVERYONE...I think it's time for you to realize that your arguments are irrelevant.
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You'd be surprised at how many young military families receive food stamps/WIC. Are you willing to go there and test them too? What a way to thank someone who puts their life on the line so you can spout crap like this.
Families with premature babies or those with special medical needs can qualify. How about senior citizens? Yes, there are seniors who receive foodstamps; and without them, they'd probably be reduced to one meal a day through Meals On Wheels.
Yes, there are those who abuse the system, but why punish everyone for the acts of a few? If you think someone is abusing public assistance then report them. Don't lump everyone in as lazy drug using deadbeats who are just mooching off society.
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Posted: Thu Oct 16th, 2008 01:51 am |
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| Treasure 302. Wow. I wasn't saying that EVERYONE on welfare was on drugs. You know that, you're just being defensive. If you don't use, then great, you have no problems if you were to be tested. Wouldn't you want there to be a process that everyone had to go through to ensure that people that were out to abuse the system, wouldn't be able to? When nurses and doctors work in a hospital, they use what's called "universal precautions", this means that they treat EVERYONE like that have HIV, or Hepatitis. Why? Because you can't assume. You can't assume that just because someone looks clean, that they are. It's not about "singling" people out, or "assuming" that every person on state assistance is abusing drugs. It's about using "universal precautions", if you may, to ensure that there are steps to being approved for state assistance.
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Mishl...I really don't know what to say to people like you! It's unbelievable that ANYONE, unless a welfare recipient themselves...on drugs, would think that drug testing welfare recpients is a bad idea. There should be a "process" to getting assistance, since there are so many people that ABUSE the system. Why is it that people who have jobs have to be drug tested to work, yet people that get assistance from the state can do whatever the hell they want, although they are getting money from the state? So you're saying that you are ok with someone receiving welfare, state benefits, etc, but doing crack cocaine? You don't think that someone like that should be drug tested? You don't think that someone like that should NOT be receiving welfare? How are drug addicts ever to be expected to get off of the welfare system if they have no incentive to change? These are the people that get on it, and never come off...and then it becomes a way of life for their children. If that's the way that you think, then you have a very backwards way of thinking. I work very hard for my money, and I don't mind helping people out that are trying to help themselves, but I DO MIND helping people out that are drug addicts and getting assistance from the state....aka me and every other person that works! Doesn't it make you the least bit angry that most people on welfare abuse the system, and are instead getting a free ride? Do you feel so strongly against drug testing for pre-employment screening...or is that ok?
Also, to the person that stated that drug testing these "recipients" would in turn hurt their children. Your statements are laughable. Do you not realize that if these people who are on assistance, yet using drugs, aren't using the money for their kids anyways? The money would go to their drug abuse! The kids are already suffering! And, yes, if they were to be tested, and they were positive, then the kids should go to foster care instead of being in the custody of someone who is a drug addict...what are you thinking??? So again, you want to enable these so-called parents, to allow them to "use", and neglect their children, in turn, not even giving these kids a chance to succeed in life. What an absolute ignorant, pathetic excuse for an argument. I'm tired of the welfare system "enabling" these drug addicts, and I, along with many people, think that it should change.
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Posted: Thu Oct 16th, 2008 12:50 am |
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| Sounds reasonable to me.
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Posted: Wed Oct 15th, 2008 11:38 pm |
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Why don't we put GPS tracking chips in them too. That way we'll know for sure if they're going into "drug" neighborhoods or liquor stores. They're probably alcoholics too -- so drunk they can't work.
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Posted: Wed Oct 15th, 2008 08:15 pm |
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happygoluckyindoverdelaware wrote: is this person for real or what?
No.
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Posted: Wed Oct 15th, 2008 07:29 pm |
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Had the day off today was in the camden WIC mart at about 12 pm. Saw this welfare queen walking around the food section, WIC check in hand, dressed in what looked to be brand new clothes, nice shoes, jewelry, nails done, hair looking like she just left the beauty shop. No kids with her. If moneys so tight why's she at wal mart when everyone else is working? She was walking fine didnt look like she was injured. Maybe she had the day off like me though I doubt it. I just dont understand how these people cant afford food but can afford all this other stuff.
Im thinking I need to start bringing a camera to wal mart and starting a website possibly called http://www.welfarecheats.com that shows these fools with their checks so people can see first hand where their tax dollars are going. The site will even include photos of them getting their gas guzzling SUV's (complete with rims of course). People will be able to take pictures and post them on the site.
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| I for one also think that drug testing welfare recpients would be a great idea. Also, to be entitled to seek welfare you must speak proper English and be able to read and write. So, I guess "obamadaman" your welfare,food stamps and your kids reduced lunch at school would be revoked!
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Posted: Wed Oct 15th, 2008 04:52 pm |
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| is this person for real or what?
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Posted: Wed Oct 15th, 2008 12:12 pm |
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Excuse me SteveM but what im suppsod to do if i been smokin cigerettes for 30 years?? just up an quit?? it aint that easy. I think they should consider aproving more items for WIC . I would just like to say again that drug testing thouse on welfare is an invazhon on privacy. And besides toocoolforschool i hear drugs can stay in your system for a long time. What if someone smoked them a little piece of something five months ago and quit....do they not deserve welfare today? Treasure302 you go girlfriend have you looked into section 8 they will pay up to 90% of your rent its the only way to go girl. If your man was misdiagnosed twice you should get you a lawyer girl it had happen to me once and i got $50,000 for malpractices. Plus if he was hurt at work or in a acident you can sue them to. Dont worry what no one think girl Do for you and your family!
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Posted: Wed Oct 15th, 2008 04:43 am |
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Its funny how I see it work at the camden wal mart with food stamps. I see these people wearing designer clothes, trashy tattoos all over their body, gabbing on their blue tooth headsets using my tax money to buy milk and bread and such then they use their own cash(welfare money) to buy other garbage like cigarettes and dvds. Its pretty pathetic how these people cant afford to buy a gallon of milk and some food for their 3 or 4 illegitimate children but can afford to buy 4 dollar cigarettes everyday, tattoos, rims, dvds, beer, jewelry, motorcycles, big screens and other non necessities. Im sorry (actually no im not), but I cant stand people that sponge off the system and take money out of myself and other taxpayers pockets because they are too freakin lazy and dont know the difference between "needs" and "wants". That seems to be a problem in this country. If you cant afford to have kids, please keep your legs closed or at least invest in condoms. You can get them cheap or free. Besides your children are most likely only to grow up to be criminals anyway.
I agree we need welfare reform now. There are way too many people suckling at the teat. I think thats a brilliant idea to drug test the recipients. If you got money to smoke crack, meth, weed what have you then obviously you dont need or deserve welfare. And I agree that would exclude about 75% of the recipients.
BTW im not trying to race bait either. Its actually a whole lot of white trashy yokels I see at the wal mart clutching their WIC checks.
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Posted: Wed Oct 15th, 2008 03:50 am |
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I usually stay silent when welfare comes up but in this instance I just have to say something.
Lets say they do start drug testing of all welfare recipients, then what happens? Over 75 percent of all welfare people are addicted to some drug. Not all as there are some who are in honest need but the majority are abusing the system. So we kick 75 percent off welfare and what happens?
The kids suffer is what happens. Does anyone want to see kids abused or sold so someone could get drugs or eat? Does anyone want to see kids killed because they could not support them? Does anyone want to start seeeing kids starving to death in the newspapers?
The next question will be "why not take the kids away from the drug using parents" and the answer is do we really want to send kids to foster care? Foster care is where all the horrid stories come from where kids are abused, sold, mistreated, etc... People are reluctant to take in someone elses kids so what we end up with are people who have to get paid to do it and they only do it for the money. Not all but a majority again.
Welfare was suppose to be for people who were in a short time period of distress and needed a little help to get back on thier feet. However it has grown to such proportions to encampass anyone needing help for as long as it takes. It has become so unweildy that the program has become crooked to the bone.
In the past it helped people get jobs by sending people to interviews. Nowadays it is all about teaching the person to do it themselves, people get paid lots of money to teach job skills that do nothing for anyone.
So when taling about welfare it is a massive problem that can only be solved when the drug war comes to an end. Only then will progress be made.
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