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Barrack Obama - Redistribution of Wealth interview as posted on The Drudge Report
McCain Labels Obama 'The Redistributor'...
Boehner Hits 'Redistributive Change'...
2001 OBAMA: TRAGEDY THAT 'REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH' NOT PURSUED BY SUPREME COURT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck
THE OBAMA VAULTS: Constitution 'reflected fundamental flaw of this country that continues to this day'...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OhmY1obS4
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 04:52 pm |
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| I picked the most conservative interpretation I could find. Trust me, there are others that are more in line with what I initially wrote.
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Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 07:07 pm |
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Big difference in the 2 statements Fred.
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However, the Jewish faith, while generally opposed to abortion, did make exception if the continuation of the pregnancy posed a risk to the mother...or her other children.
However, there can be certain factors which may create an exception. For example, when partial life threatens a full life. The Talmud discusses a case where doctors say that if the mother continues with the pregnancy, she will die. In such a case, we kill the fetus in order to save the mother. Why? Because when the partial life of the fetus is weighed against the full life of the mother, we give precedence to saving the full life.
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Fred
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Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 03:48 pm |
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Playing the Game wrote: Not that I doubt you Fred, but please quote me the Torah where abortion is OK.
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However, the Jewish faith, while generally opposed to abortion, did make exception if the continuation of the pregnancy posed a risk to the mother...or her other children.
As I am sure you know, there are two parts of Jewish law....the Torah, and the Talmud. It is from the Talmud that one gets the interpretation MOST Jewish people have....
In Jewish law, a baby attains becomes a full-fledged human being when the head emerges from the womb. Before then, the fetus is considered a "partial life."
So is it permitted to destroy this partial life?
Generally, no. This is illustrated by a case in the Talmud whereby a building collapsed on Shabbat. The rescue crew does not know if anyone is trapped under the rubble or not. And even if someone is trapped, they may already be dead. Despite these doubts, we push aside the restrictions of Shabbat in order to dig out the rubble - on the chance that it may result in the prolonging of human life. Why? Because every part of human life - even a doubtful, partial human life - has infinite value.
This applies to a fetus as well.
However, there can be certain factors which may create an exception. For example, when partial life threatens a full life. The Talmud discusses a case where doctors say that if the mother continues with the pregnancy, she will die. In such a case, we kill the fetus in order to save the mother. Why? Because when the partial life of the fetus is weighed against the full life of the mother, we give precedence to saving the full life.
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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 08:42 pm |
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DelawareNative wrote: How is this a Dover issue?
How is it not a Dover issue? What our voice doesn't count 'cause we're "slower-lower"?
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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 03:01 pm |
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how can anyone justify any death. sending our kids to die for oil is just as great a sin, but you aren't crying for an immediate end to it or for a constitutional amendment for it.
in the eyes of your god, one sin is as great as the next.
a thief, an adulterer and a murderer(sounds like an opening for a joke, eh?) are all sinners, and will recieve the same wrath from your god. don't try to interpret them as somehow different.
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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 12:23 pm |
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| I can always forgive the sinner but I will never agree with the sin of murder. Unless there is god forbid something wrong with the baby or something to that accord how can anyone justify killing a baby.
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DelawareNative
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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 02:48 am |
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How is this a Dover issue?
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Playing the Game
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Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 10:32 pm |
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Not that I doubt you Fred, but please quote me the Torah where abortion is OK.
Fred wrote:
However, the Jewish faith, while generally opposed to abortion, did make exception if the continuation of the pregnancy posed a risk to the mother...or her other children.
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Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 10:10 pm |
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Do you have any clue what the rules on live births were in the times the books of the Bible were wrote? I am not defending them, becuase they were for the most part very ignorant people, but the ancient people had a different perspective on it...so much, in fact, that it's widespread use had to be condemned by Philo of Alexendra.
However, the Jewish faith, while generally opposed to abortion, did make exception if the continuation of the pregnancy posed a risk to the mother...or her other children.
I may or may not agree with these interpretations, but the fact remains that it is a decision that, because there is no one that says I have to believe your interpretation of the Bible, or even in the Bible at all, it HAS to be an individual's decision. I think that in many cases it IS the wrong decision, but that is MY moral judgement, and that means nothing, just as yours does.
So....I think it should continue to be legal, and there is NOTHING to stop you from believing it is wrong.
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Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 07:49 pm |
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| Okay, I am first off very sorry to hear that you think it is okay to have an abortion b/c a christian is not willing to take care of your gift from God. No where in the bible does it say that you can have an abortion because someone else will take care of it. Our society has the same through process as you and think it is okay because no one will take care of it. The cycle starts with families that do not live by the word. it says in 1 Corinthians 3:16-17: (16) Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple, and that God's Spirit lives in you? (17) If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is sacred, and you are that temple. All I can say is that you are right that it is between the woman and her doctor, as long as she knows who will be judging her. They are all forgivin, that does not mean we have to love the sin. Love the sinner, hate the sin! I hope you will pick up a bible and read, I am praying for you and your beliefs!
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Posted: Mon Oct 20th, 2008 04:23 am |
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htownhitman wrote: Obama says hes a man of God but yet he believes in radical abortion. He believes its fair to stab a pair of sissors into the back of a babys head right before it sees the light of day for the first time. Well if you think thats fair then your a lost cause anyway. I myself cannot bring myself to vote for Money over my faith in GOD. Can you?
unless you have a houseful of adopted children and are willing to put your "godly" money where your mouth is when it comes to supporting unwanted children, then mind your own business when it comes to abortion. a decision between a woman and her physician is none of your concern, especially if you aren't willing to help those who feel there is no better alternative.
besides, aren't REAL christians supposed to look past the sins of thy neighbor and offer comfort while asking thier god for forgiveness for that person in thier time of need?
sheesh, it never ceases to amaze me how bible toters just love to forget about that forgiveness part.
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Posted: Mon Oct 20th, 2008 12:21 am |
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Oh yeah.... how is this a local Dover issue?
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Posted: Mon Oct 20th, 2008 12:17 am |
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Perhaps legions of people voting on faith alone got us into the mess we are in now?
Abortion laws should be left to state governments. Overturning Roe vs Wade is a reason many people won't vote for McCain. There is too much on the line this election with the supreme court hanging in the balance.
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Posted: Sun Oct 19th, 2008 04:16 pm |
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