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Nursing students face backup -- Crowded DelTech program forces some to wait
 
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 Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 03:34 am
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It's really not an issue of A vs C student as each is passing.  I went to nursing school on the realization that I would complete my degree in the specified time.  I had the choice of a 2 year school or a 4 year school.  Financially, I knew that I would not be able to complete 4 years before getting my degree.  However, I did return to school to receive my Bachelors and have a few classes to go until I receive a Master's Degree.  When I went to school the average age of the nursing students in my class was 35.  Yes the clinical piece of nursing school is important but limited due to not enough facilities in Delaware to accomadate, along with faculty shortages.  The bottom line is they should not allow more students than they can handle as it is not fair to the students.  Students are doing clinical in the hospital now on days, evenings, weekends, and there still isn't enough shifts to accomadate.

I went to school with a book smart student.  Always aced her tests.  However, when it came down to outright nursing she had no idea what she was doing. And guess what she failed the boards the first go around.  Everyone has to pass the State Boards, that is totally when testing counts.  Nursing is not easy, and deciding nursing as a career is the first big step, then you get to school and have to wait not only hurts the student financially, it doesn't help with the nursing shortage.

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 Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 07:00 pm
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Then go ahead and build a hospital Fred.  There are only so many slots and the best and the brightest get them.  Life is tough sometimes and you have to play with the hand you are dealt.  The day a medical professional (MD RN) is licensed based on equal opportunity is the day medical care is truly doomed.

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 Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 03:36 pm
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I have no problem with accepting the best into the program, and it has to be up to the college to determine the best....be it scores on nationla tests or grades in specific courses. Thems the breaks.

However...there should be a process in place for those that have successfully completed the academic portion to complete the clinical portion within a reasonable time. Give those who got the best grades the quickest slots, but a "C" student should still get the chance to get their clinic in and then the state boards...and then the transcript can guide those who do the hiring as to what kind of nurse one can be.

 

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 Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 04:44 am
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I agree they should take the best in the program first.  I am sure the SEED program has dramatically increased the amount of students enrolled in the program.  If they can't keep up with placements based on higher enrollment it only seems fair to reward those that have A status.

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 Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 10:38 pm
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There is no comparison between being accepted into Med school and being accepted into a Nursing program.  There are more nurse wannabe's than there are clinical spaces.  This means potential Delaware nurses need to do their clinical out of state.

Before you nurses all bash me, my wife is a nurse and she worked hard and studied hard.  She was an "A" nurse in school.

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 Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 03:25 pm
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Playing the Game wrote: Nursing clinical is dependent on how many openings there are at the hospitals.  We have a limited number of hospitals in Delaware.  They take the best each semester and they should.  Do you want an "A" nurse or a "C" nurse taking care of you?

If a "C" nurse is not considered exceptable, then why is "C" considered passing. Just playing devils advocate.

This reminds me of the old joke, "You know what they call the person who graduates last in med school?..... Doctor."

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 Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 10:36 pm
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Nursing clinical is dependent on how many openings there are at the hospitals.  We have a limited number of hospitals in Delaware.  They take the best each semester and they should.  Do you want an "A" nurse or a "C" nurse taking care of you?

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 Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 01:14 pm
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I would have liked to have heard how long one has to actually wait to get into the clinical portion. While more space would be the ideal, if you are telling me that the best students (and one can certainly argue the college's way of determining that) get in first and the others might have to wait a semester or two longer, and not much more, I don't see the big issue.

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 Posted: Mon Oct 20th, 2008 05:41 pm
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What do you think?

From the Delaware State News:  Nursing students face backup

Crowded DelTech program forces some to wait


By Ali Cheeseman


Delaware State News


DOVER — Delaware Technical & Community College Terry Campus’ nursing program is a difficult program to get into, but has many new students applying for it each year.


That’s a good thing, since Delaware is facing a shortage of nurses in long-term and home care, said Southern Delaware Nurses Association delegate Kelly Davis. There is also a nationwide shortage in every field, which Delaware has not yet seen.


But because there are so many students in the Delaware Tech program, a bottleneck has formed at the clinical stage, the hands-on portion where students are placed in various health care settings. There are many more students in the program each year than there are available seats, which is forcing many students to put their graduation plans on hold — indefinitely.


"They’re still accepting people into the program and it’s so overcrowded," said nursing student Taffi Lang, 38, of Dover. "They don’t have room."


By the end of the year, Ms. Lang said, she will have finished all of her classes and only needs to complete the clinical portion, but she didn’t make it in this time and she doesn’t know when she will.


"To be told, ‘Oh you didn’t make it this time, you can retake in August,’ is ridiculous," she said. "I think there’s something wrong and I don’t know what it is or how to fix it."


Currently, DelTech weighs a student’s grade-point average based on certain classes — two classes of anatomy and physiology and a math class — and the person’s score on the National League for Nursing’s standardized entrance exam for potential nursing students, used at schools nationwide.


More weight is put on the exam, said Daniel L. Simpson, college vice president and campus director. The most points a student can get is 16 between the exam and GPA, he said, with the number of points based on how well the student scored and how a student is ranked for clinical acceptance.


But one of the main reasons a backup is occurring is due to space, he said.


"We will continue to have problems in that area because of capacity," Mr. Simpson said, pointing out both space and faculty needs the college has.


"About one-third of the campus students have declared nursing as their objective. There are 700 students in the program. (The program) requires a lot of science courses, and we only have two small science labs."


The health industry is one of the fastest-growing fields in the country and state, constantly in need of more people to fill openings, he said, but without the space or the staff, they can’t teach the students.


"We share their frustrations because there are good jobs out there waiting for good, enthusiastic men and women," he said.


A handful of other students who decided to return to school are facing the same problem as Ms. Lang — they are either finished or will finish soon with all their classes, and yet, don’t know when they will take their clinicals to graduate.


Most of them have scores in the upper 60s to mid-70s on the NLN exam; a score of 50 is passing. But they also all have a 3.5 GPA or higher.


Townsend resident Robin Crile, 39, said she knows of another student in one of her classes at Terry Campus who has a 2.5 GPA and is almost failing a class now, but is set to start clinicals in January because of his NLN score of 84.


Her 3.84 GPA and 70 NLN score have not ranked her high enough to earn a seat in the clinicals, she said.


"They keep saying how they want older students to come back to school ... but I feel like my hopes and dreams are slipping away," Ms. Crile said. "Now I don’t know when I will be done."


Both Ms. Crile and Ms. Lang questioned why more importance would be placed on a test aimed at high-school graduates, instead of their GPAs or class grades.


"Grades should be the most important," said Smyrna resident Theresa McVey, 32. "If they based it off what we learned in our classes, it would be one thing. But now, I feel like I wasted my time and my money, and I’m just sitting here waiting."


The only possibilities for them, however, are to retake classes for a better grade or retake the NLN exam to score better, Mr. Simpson.


"This is a difficult program and you have to work very hard for it," he said. "A career in nursing is not an easy job. They see things the rest of us couldn’t deal with. It’s a place where people go who are totally committed to helping mankind in that capacity."


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