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Fred wrote: Habanero wrote: Fred, I think Nature Lover makes a very valid point. Child support is Court (read state) ordered and usually paid through the state via wage attachment. If the state is going to cut a state employee's pay, the support order should automatically be cut as well without the need for the payer having to petition the court for a support modification.
Nature Lover very succinctly justified such an automatic adjustment because of the added costs to the state for each individual to have to schedule a modification hearing. Since this is a discussion of state, not private sector, employees I don't see it causing any difficulties. It also justifies a similar mechanism for pay increases.
The children involved in divorce/support situations should not suffer any further because of their parents, however, if the children of married couples are going to be hit with a cut in family income because of a parent working for the state, so should the children of a divorced state employee.
If the automatic increase is in place for wage increases, promotions, or step increases (which I doubt) then certainly I agree that automatic decreases should be taken out as well. I think Nature Lover KNOWS the answer to my question, but doesn't want to answer because it tends to destroy most of his argument.
What question Fred? The automatic rate increase because of a raise? I answered No. The person collecting the child-support isn't getting less when (if) the state worker gets a measly 2% increase. They still get the same amount. It is not hurting them financially. The State takes the money out of the checks. Then they want to reduce the employees pay but continue to take the same amount of child support. How on earth is that poor person supposed to be able to continue to pay their bills? Alot of people live paycheck to paycheck as it is.
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 12:10 pm |
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| More than UCLA or NYU or Penn State? Those are the first 3 State funded Universities that come to mind. He made more than the Presidents of those schools.
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Playing the Game wrote: Doesn't matter Fred you are quite irrelevent. The President of a State University of one of the smallest states in the Union was the most highly paid. Period, end of point.
I don't dispute that the salary seems high...but I don't think he is a state employee, either. His salary is set by UD, isn't it?
And this is a tough one to defend....most of my defenses sound like yours used to in regard to high CEO salaries. UD is well run, it attracts lots of students, it attracts lots of grants, and it attracts good professors.
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 03:26 am |
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State employees should give back nothing more. We have for the past 3 years. Lay off or eliminate useless positions that have been created over the past 10 years. This includes the entire Cabinet level Department of Education and 40% of the administrators in the system.
We will be just fine then.
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I'm new to this site, but I would like to put my 2 cents in. The gist of this is that we simply cannot afford a state pay cut. My husband has worked for the state for 8 years, and in that time he has received 2 cost of living increases, each for 2%. He was promised a 3% COL every year. He earns less that $15.00 per hour at a job (heavy equipment mechanic) that outside of the state would pay him twice that amount. He stays because of the benefits. The company that I was working for closed down, so I went from $15.00 hour 30 hours a week to minimum wage part time. Now I'm not saying that we're the only ones in this boat, but don't you think that it's time for the guys at the top of the food chain to tighten their belt? After all, we didn't cause the financial meltdown just because we work for the state. We are just trying to make a living, like the rest of the world. I think that the guys on top, making over 75K should pitch in 10%, and the little guys with almost nothing can perhaps do 2%. Across the board is just going to get more people to leave the state- making it impossible for the state to run, more people on social services- making it costlier for the state, and less people wanting to work for the state when the hiring freeze is finally lifted. After all, who wants to work for an employer who fishes in your pocket?
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 02:36 am |
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| Doesn't matter Fred you are quite irrelevent. The President of a State University of one of the smallest states in the Union was the most highly paid. Period, end of point.
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Posted: Thu Apr 9th, 2009 02:30 am |
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| Perhaps, but given as the comment started by saying that the salary would make AIG blush...no, it wouldn't. That sounds like the salary of a not-very vice-president...before bonuses.
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 10:21 pm |
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The President of Uof D who recently retired, was the highest paid Public University Priseident in the United States. Nice pension that brings.
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Re the Del Tech and Del Dot bonuses, ranging from $500 to $5,000, I heard that in a meeting of state workers last Friday.. it should not be hard to run that to ground.. of course, the "other" Delaware newspaper published the job titles and the pay of supposedly everyone in state employment a few weeks ago.. they were all ranked there-- the number and the salary by person-- obviously no names, but everything else.. but, and this is a big but, there were no salaries posted for educators.. not the administrators, the teachers, clerical support.. let's get it all on the table.. some of the college Presidents make $$$ that would make AIG blush..
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 09:17 pm |
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Habanero wrote: Fred, I think Nature Lover makes a very valid point. Child support is Court (read state) ordered and usually paid through the state via wage attachment. If the state is going to cut a state employee's pay, the support order should automatically be cut as well without the need for the payer having to petition the court for a support modification.
Nature Lover very succinctly justified such an automatic adjustment because of the added costs to the state for each individual to have to schedule a modification hearing. Since this is a discussion of state, not private sector, employees I don't see it causing any difficulties. It also justifies a similar mechanism for pay increases.
The children involved in divorce/support situations should not suffer any further because of their parents, however, if the children of married couples are going to be hit with a cut in family income because of a parent working for the state, so should the children of a divorced state employee.
If the automatic increase is in place for wage increases, promotions, or step increases (which I doubt) then certainly I agree that automatic decreases should be taken out as well. I think Nature Lover KNOWS the answer to my question, but doesn't want to answer because it tends to destroy most of his argument.
I don't doubt that the cuts will hurt, but I also know that there isn't enough money hiding under turnips to make this painless, especially given the size of the state employee salary budget. I also know that most non-state employees, especially those who have been downsized, have little or no sympathy for their plight...I do, especially for those lower paid workers. I've been one of the biggest supporters of state workers, especially when those who I think are just jealous of those who made this decision. I don't think most state workers are overpaid, but I tend to think they are generally compensated fairly....there are always exceptions, of course.
I think a compromise will be worked out...it won't be the full 8% for all. It still will hurt, though, especially for those dual wage earner couples.
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 08:46 pm |
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| Re the Del Tech and Del Dot bonuses, ranging from $500 to $5,000, I heard that in a meeting of state workers last Friday.. it should not be hard to run that to ground.. of course, the "other" Delaware newspaper published the job titles and the pay of supposedly everyone in state employment a few weeks ago.. they were all ranked there-- the number and the salary by person-- obviously no names, but everything else.. but, and this is a big but, there were no salaries posted for educators.. not the administrators, the teachers, clerical support.. let's get it all on the table.. some of the college Presidents make $$$ that would make AIG blush..
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 06:40 pm |
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Fred, I think Nature Lover makes a very valid point. Child support is Court (read state) ordered and usually paid through the state via wage attachment. If the state is going to cut a state employee's pay, the support order should automatically be cut as well without the need for the payer having to petition the court for a support modification.
Nature Lover very succinctly justified such an automatic adjustment because of the added costs to the state for each individual to have to schedule a modification hearing. Since this is a discussion of state, not private sector, employees I don't see it causing any difficulties. It also justifies a similar mechanism for pay increases.
The children involved in divorce/support situations should not suffer any further because of their parents, however, if the children of married couples are going to be hit with a cut in family income because of a parent working for the state, so should the children of a divorced state employee.
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Nature Lover
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 03:51 pm |
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Fred wrote: For the person who didn't get it...your question was whether or not child support payments would be automatically changed when the pay is less, and my point is that it should be no more or no less automatic if and when they get COLAs.
I am not sure how one spreads the pain evenly, unless you are talking about increasing taxes even more. Programs have been, and will be cut, further, but many of the state programs are needed especially in times of economic hardship.
Didn't get what? My opinion vs your opinion? I'm just going to agree to disagree with you.
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"Bottom line is that we all need to sacrifice, however, it should not fall on the backs of just the state workers. Majority of them do not make excessive salaries and have not received a raise in years. What a backslide for those families. We all feel the pinch of the economy and will have less to face it with. I think that it should be spread evenly amongst ALL residents of Delaware. "
In answer to that...... Bottom line is 'we' should 'not' have to sacrafice!!!
(truth is ... we have already been sacraficing freedoms for many years now!..little by little they will all soon be gone)
"We" did not cause the problems we are facing (I am not referring only to the state situation, but world wide). BTW....isn't it strange that it is the same situation that everyone in the world is dealing with?? How did this come about?
It has been caused by the 'elitist' that own the banks and the government and have for many years ....way before the Bush admistration.... even before the Clinton's.
They have the money and the power to "fix" all of it, but they are only interested in their agenda and really could care less about our insignificant lives!!
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 12:09 pm |
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| Everone continues to avoid the obvious area to cut and the only ones hurt are the Ed.D's. Education is rife with bloated duplicity.
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 02:59 am |
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For the person who didn't get it...your question was whether or not child support payments would be automatically changed when the pay is less, and my point is that it should be no more or no less automatic if and when they get COLAs.
I am not sure how one spreads the pain evenly, unless you are talking about increasing taxes even more. Programs have been, and will be cut, further, but many of the state programs are needed especially in times of economic hardship.
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 02:19 am |
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| Jack the Ripper is toast.............................
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 01:43 am |
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| Bottom line is that we all need to sacrifice, however, it should not fall on the backs of just the state workers. Majority of them do not make excessive salaries and have not received a raise in years. What a backslide for those families. We all feel the pinch of the economy and will have less to face it with. I think that it should be spread evenly amongst ALL residents of Delaware.
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Posted: Tue Apr 7th, 2009 07:19 pm |
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Fred wrote: So are you saying that when one gets a raise, the money should be increased automatically, as well?
No, thats not what I am saying. They are making less money! They have bills to pay....with LESS money. You have a certain amount in your budget. You have to take child support out of it, then your mortgage, your utilities, your food etc. Ok, Now all of a sudden your getting less. The formula for which they base the amount of child support you pay, is based on how much you make. So if your making less and they are still taking the same amount, how are you going to pay your other bills. The receiver of the child support is not getting less when the payer gets a raise.
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Posted: Tue Apr 7th, 2009 07:05 pm |
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| So are you saying that when one gets a raise, the money should be increased automatically, as well?
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Posted: Tue Apr 7th, 2009 06:09 pm |
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Fred wrote: I would not think it would be automatic, but I guess you petition for a change. When one gets an annual pay raise (in past years, of course) did the state automatically increase child support payments then?
They shouldn't have to petition. If the state is going to take money away from them they should automatically adjust for that. The courts would be way backed up if they all have to go back to court to get it done. Just wasting more of the tax payers money.
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Posted: Tue Apr 7th, 2009 06:02 pm |
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I would not think it would be automatic, but I guess you petition for a change. When one gets an annual pay raise (in past years, of course) did the state automatically increase child support payments then?
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Posted: Tue Apr 7th, 2009 05:27 pm |
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| What I'd like to know is this: If a divorced guy who pays child support works for the state, is the state going to automatically reduce the amount of child support they take? Then you've got the person who receives the child support taking a cut in pay as well. You certainly cannot expect a state employee to take an 8% paycut and still have to pay the same amount of child support with less pay.
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Posted: Tue Apr 7th, 2009 04:22 pm |
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There certainly is the "pots of money" concept, but there is also the fact that you miss that we are dealing with big numbers here. 8% of state employee salaries is a lot of money...money that you can't get from stopping the purchase of a few monitors here and there that may well be needed due to life span of equipment, anyway.
We need to cut the budget, and we need to cut it a lot. Too many people think there is this bit pot of money that is behind a bush or tree. The cuts ARE painful. I realize that, and hope that we can make it right in the future.
I'm not in quite the same boat, but my employer, for the first time in 15 years did NOT offer an annual pay raise. There was also a hiring freeze that increased the workload, but most certainly prefer that to layoffs. One can argue whether or not it is better to layoff state workers than to decrease their pay; I suspect most state workers who think they are indespensible prefer to cut the "others", but I also suspect most objective people would find the pay cuts preferable to layoffs.
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I wish I had been at the "meeting" yesterday with the Gov. .... I am sure the News Journal "sugar coated" the whole ordeal.
So .... if we are so short on money why am I seeing so many projects still full speed ahead??...such as state buildings under construction or being "refurbished" and beautifully furnished?
I know that it's been common practice ,"forever" I suppose, that money is "allocated" to all the various departments for 'specific' purposes and if not "used up" for that area specified then it would be reduced the following year.
Why can't the powers that be put their heads together and "change" that system.
I have seen first hand how ridiculous and expensive that system works !!
Here we are nearing the end of the fiscal year so ...... OH my, we have X amount of dollars left let's buy some big screen monitors for these offices, or gosh we've had these chairs and desk for more than 2 years now maybe we should replace them!
On and on goes the money our wonderful Governor and friends are looking for !??
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Posted: Tue Apr 7th, 2009 12:03 pm |
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| I guess that makes it your duty as a Democrat Politician in Delaware to raise my taxes.
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| Because it is your duty as a State employee to stop digging the hole that we are in. Maybe at YOUR agency you hit the Lottery or something. If you are not contributing to the solution, you are part of the problem.
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| See if you can get him to explain why his 2009 budget and his 2010 budget is about 100-200 million different and he claims to have a $750 million deficit that he's raising taxes and cutting your pay to meet. If he spent at 2009 levels he would have more than enough to cover the outflow with all the money Uncle Sugar is sending him from Washington. Either the numbers they have posted in their own website are wrong or we are getting the wool pulled over our eyes so the government can suck up more taxes.
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 11:59 am |
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| Why go on my time, when the Governor is offering a session in Wilmington during work hours.
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| And does your Supervisor know you are going to use a State vehicle for that purpose? How about just going to the meeting at the Levy Court Building?
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| I'm going up to Wilmington on State time tomorrow using state gas in a state van since our Gov extended the invitation.
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IrishLad wrote: And several state agencies, including DelDot and the Del Tech systems are paying out employee bonuses, ranging from $500 to $5,000.
Is this really true? What is the basis for paying state employees bonuses?
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This afternoon, Sunday at 1:12 PM, we received an email from Markell in our state email accounts informing state employees that there are two public forums scheduled for tomorrow, April 6th. The email states that the forums are being held with employees to explain the state of budget shortfall. It is a question and answer session with suggestions accepted. This is nice, however, could they have given employees some notice other than sending an email on a Sunday when most people do not check their mail from home? Many employees will get this tomorrow when there is little time to make arrangments to attend. I , for one, cannot move my scheduled work related responsibilities to get to either meeting. Many people need some reasonable advanced notice in order to make childcare arrangments, ect. This almost feels like they did not want a large showing of state employees to attend. Those of you who can make....PLEASE DO, he needs to know that he has a large group of unhappy workers out here...not just a few who can make it to the forum with short notice. Please suggest future forums with more advanced notice and come back and post what happens.
Carvel Building State Office Building Auditorium 820 N. French Street 2nd Floor, Wilmington 10:00 - 11:00 AM
Kent County Levy Court 555 Bay Road, Dover 5:30 - 6:30 PM
Sorry Sussex....guess you have to take a road trip if you want to be heard.
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| Where is the fairness? With the Governor's proposed pay cuts of 10% (including medical co-pay increases) across the board, all state employees are supposed to share the pain equally. And we are, supposedly, in a state hiring "freeze". Yet, what do we see? Minner appointees are placed into Merit positions at the highest pay grades during this "freeze". And former DHSS Secretary Meconi is hired for $6,200 a month to steer more federal stimulus money our way-- but these funds are already ear marked for where they are going? And several state agencies, including DelDot and the Del Tech systems are paying out employee bonuses, ranging from $500 to $5,000. Where is the fairness in all of this? Where is the "shared sacrafice"? Let's lay all of the facts on the table-- who are getting state bonuses when the rest of us are under the threat of a 10% pay cut?
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goalie1733 wrote: I am currently a state employee as a cna and have been for about 3 years now and I am only 24, and with everything going on with the pay cuts and a 50% percent increase in our health benefits i really dont see the benefit's of begin a state. When I first got hired everyone said stay with the state., but I am finding out the state offers nothing for continuing education.And now with the raise in insurance and and maybe pay cut, does anybody really now whys is it good to be a state employee?
I had someone that I worked with that left the company to work for the state, and he said "my parents and family always said that if you get a chance for a state job, you should take it because the benefits are so good". He took a cut and pay to leave the company and go to the state. Nice guy, but kind of sheltered and simple minded. I think now he probably is starting to see that the state isn't all it is cracked up to be.
When I was a kid, I knew some kids whose parents worked at GM in Newport, or Chrysler in Newark. They used to brag all the time about how much money their parents made, and how little they had to work to get it. Times are different now.
Then there are the countless realtors and mortgage brokers in Kent County a few years ago who bragged a little too much and drove Hummers and Porche Cayennes and flashed their Rolexes. Now they are eating humble pie. Good.
The bottom line is that the days of easy money are over. I for one, couldn't be happier.
As for the state, I must admit that DelDot has gotten a LOT better over the years at customer service. Hopefully the state can get rid of some dead weight and pay for performance somehow. I also agree with other posters that we need to consolidate the school system administration.
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You could just wait til you get laid off and collect unemployment.....................in Maryland.
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I am currently a state employee as a cna and have been for about 3 years now and I am only 24, and with everything going on with the pay cuts and a 50% percent increase in our health benefits i really dont see the benefit's of begin a state. When I first got hired everyone said stay with the state., but I am finding out the state offers nothing for continuing education.And now with the raise in insurance and and maybe pay cut, does anybody really now whys is it good to be a state employee?
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Disgusted wrote: Public school systems don't need multiple layers of non-teaching staff (example, guidance counselors) in schools, and administrators district-wide. For those of you in the profession, please don't try telling me otherwise, because I don't buy into your lies. Truth is, most of those positions take away from funds available to the classroom, and house those who are either failed or burned out teachers. This includes the DSTP and anything similar.
Consolidate now!!!!!
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Disgusted wrote: Public school systems don't need multiple layers of non-teaching staff (example, guidance counselors) in schools, and administrators district-wide. For those of you in the profession, please don't try telling me otherwise, because I don't buy into your lies. Truth is, most of those positions take away from funds available to the classroom, and house those who are either failed or burned out teachers. This includes the DSTP and anything similar.
Consolidate, consolidate, consolidate, consolidate!!!
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| self respect and pride...to many people would rather sit on their butts than go out and work using the excuse the employment doesn't pay a sustainable wage
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| With the adminisration that is in power........ it actually doesn't pay to be an "employee" at all ..... it's a better deal to sit at home and collect! Of course "I" would probably have an impossible chance of getting on the program!!
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| I am currently a state employee as a cna and have been for about 3 years now and I am only 24, and with everything going on with the pay cuts and a 50% percent increase in our health benefits i really dont see the benefit's of begin a state. When I first got hired everyone said stay with the state., but I am finding out the state offers nothing for continuing education.And now with the raise in insurance and and maybe pay cut, does anybody really now whys is it good to be a state employee?
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Posted: Tue Mar 31st, 2009 02:58 pm |
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AMEN!!!! I so totally agree with these statements!!!
While we are at it ...... Who 'needs' the Dept. of Education?? It's a fact, a small percentage of DOE has anything to do with teaching.
There are w-a-y too many "buddy" positions fabricated across this entire "small wonder" that can be eliminated. The entire nation for that matter.
A reduction in salaries is not the way to go. It is time our "servants" in government used "common sense" and good old fashion "moralistic" enginuity to find the correct alternatives to fixing the problems "They" so obviously caused to begin with !!!
Stop programs for "illegal aliens", who contribute nothing to the betterment of our country. Also start weening recipients to welfare, food stamps, housing, etc. that are undeserving of such assistance. I am not saying there are not individuals and families that do not need support. But obviously the system is way out of hand and not monitored!!!
It is certainly strange to me that large corporations and people who are not working and are not even citizens of this country are getting hand outs and I (the middle working class) am asked to take a reduction in salary to support such nonsense!!!!
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Posted: Tue Mar 31st, 2009 01:53 pm |
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rv-chas polk rd wrote: Education is the worst offender. Big example . . . there are 19 school districts. So that means the state pays for . . . you got it 19 superintendents!! And they make BIG money! Why do we need so many? Let's reorganize . . . make say three school districts (one for each county) and that will mean only THREE superintendents!!
Good deal start at the top and go down , while you are at it remove some of Minner's appointees to head offices.
Then weed out the coat tailers who use the lower staff workers as stepping stones to get jobs they really don't deserve.
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Posted: Tue Mar 31st, 2009 11:10 am |
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johnnie wrote: mataeogolgy
johnnie on the spot.
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Posted: Mon Mar 30th, 2009 11:39 pm |
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| The sad thing is all these people are being hit in the pocketbook and we are getting more taxes all over a $750 million scare number. If they were serious about the amount of money they have to spend versus what they want to spend, the picture would look a lot diffrerent. Look at the data Markell himself has put out in his budget crisis presentation and do some analysis of the numbers rather than focusoing on the punch line of "big deficit, massive taxes and pay cuts needed".
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Posted: Mon Mar 30th, 2009 04:19 pm |
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mataeogolgy
What?Last edited on Mon Mar 30th, 2009 04:20 pm by Allan
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Posted: Mon Mar 30th, 2009 04:05 pm |
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| Education is the worst offender. Big example . . . there are 19 school districts. So that means the state pays for . . . you got it 19 superintendents!! And they make BIG money! Why do we need so many? Let's reorganize . . . make say three school districts (one for each county) and that will mean only THREE superintendents!!
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Posted: Sat Mar 28th, 2009 05:48 pm |
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Posted: Sat Mar 28th, 2009 03:19 pm |
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Public school systems don't need multiple layers of non-teaching staff (example, guidance counselors) in schools, and administrators district-wide. For those of you in the profession, please don't try telling me otherwise, because I don't buy into your lies. Truth is, most of those positions take away from funds available to the classroom, and house those who are either failed or burned out teachers. This includes the DSTP and anything similar.
Ending welfare, food stamps, and Section 8 housing will result in tax funds remaining in the kettle, or appropriated to areas that are authorized for government funding. Private agencies can take over the gap, and there will be the added benefit of accountability for the recipient, which does not exist in the public programs. Matter of fact, there's folks trying to expand them, believing that the money tree will again produce bountiful fruit to fund them and the program workers.
Wait a minute...if that money tree is producing, it does so for everyone. You don't NEED the PA programs!
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Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 01:43 am |
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Playing the Game wrote: Education and DHSS are the top 2. They have grown exponentially to the rate of inflation and revenue.
So we're now smarter and safer??? Like in Lake Woebegone all the children are above average and Georgetown is no longer a third world city? And I never knew....
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Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 02:32 pm |
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Hartlyboy wrote: I think it would help the discussion to know what areas in the state budget increased so dramatically in the last 10 years that our budget is now 3x of what it was in 1999. [per the graph in Markell's budget dog and pony show presentration]. Our population has increased but nowhere near tripled. Costs have increased some on fuel and other items but not 3x. Just what caused the rapid climb?
waste. too much money spent on gadgets, travel and frivolities.
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