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Posted: Sun Aug 30th, 2009 03:16 pm |
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Hartlyboy wrote:
I remember the Penney store and my father worked at the nearby Sears for a while. One of the fascinating 'modern technology' items we were impressed by in the multi-level [two floor] stores were the pnuematic tubes that whisked your money somewhere and sent back the change and sales slip.
It was also a requirement that you wore 'school clothes ' when you went to Dover. No slovenly attire allowed, at least by Mom.
Although this is not the topic, I would like to respond to the 'school clothes'
statement.
Starting with the First Grade, there should be certain standards as to what is
appropriate attire for school. If children adhere to 12 years of this, it makes
it easier for them to know what is acceptable work attire.
I have noticed particularly in the banking industry, the lack of professional and
dignified attire currently worn by their employees.( Especially the tellers.)
When I go to a restaurant, I do not want my food to be served by someone who
has their eyebrows pierced, a bolt in their tongue or large round items
inserted in their ear lobes. I went to lunch recently, and the waitress had a
tattoo on her neck of vampire fang bites with blood dripping from them! Real
appetizing!! The owner of that restaurant needs a wake up call.
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Posted: Sat Aug 29th, 2009 08:43 pm |
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Some neat memories floating around here about old Dover. As a kid it was the big city to someone from Hartly.
I remember the Penney store and my father worked at the nearby Sears for a while. One of the fascinating 'modern technology' items we were impressed by in the multi-level [two floor] stores were the pnuematic tubes that whisked your money somewhere and sent back the change and sales slip.
It was also a requirement that you wore 'school clothes ' when you went to Dover. No slovenly attire allowed, at least by Mom.
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I knew Buster Brown wasn't the name, I couldn't recall it but it really wasn't important. My sister and I called it 'Buster Brown' and we always got balloons that were on a stick rather than a string. 2cents, you knew which store I meant so the point was clear! Oh for the days when the biggest decision was blue or brown leather school shoes!!
Jody, no, I don't remember that. Where was it? I'm assuming it was down there when I was younger and I just didn't pay attention to it because it wasn't a shop we went to or it didn't have lovely clothes in the window (a la' Emmanuel's). That was the kind of place that caught a little girl's attention.
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Posted: Fri Aug 21st, 2009 02:50 pm |
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| Just a couple of things, the BH mall opened in 1969 (High School days) Buster Brown shoes was actually Kennett Shoes. Walt and Louise (Capriotti) Kennett had the store for years. DSN offices were in fact on North Street near the Schwartz Center.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20th, 2009 05:11 am |
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Rightwinger wrote: I have heard thru the grapevine that Mikey Z is having financial troubles so I
imagine all those empty lots will stay that way for quite awhile.
I drove down Loockerman St last Saturday and in all the years I have lived in
Dover, I have never seen so many empty storefronts.
I agree with everything you said. I also heard that Z still owes contractors money for work done on Compass Pointe. I heard one of his business partners say (out of his mouth) that he is selling everything in Dover and moving south.
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Posted: Wed Aug 19th, 2009 06:45 pm |
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| Can you remember when the Delaware State News was printed downtown?
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Posted: Wed Aug 19th, 2009 03:54 am |
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Hey, I remember the drug store too! Also was it Center City Deli? (not at the drugstore, on Governor's). And it was an Acme there, where Kunkel's and a daycare are now. Also Fleischer's Bakery - I always got one of their smiley-face cookies and we always got our school shoes at Buster Brown's. And I do remember where Penney's was in the BH Mall, along with Woolworth's, Woolco, Braunsteins, Danneman's, and an organ/piano store, along with others. The BH Mall was built in 1971, I remember that, but I just don't remember Penney's ever being downtown, only where Aetna is now. I wish I was all that young!
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Posted: Tue Aug 18th, 2009 12:42 pm |
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| Rightwinger and the violet person are obviously too young to remember J. C. Penney on Loockerman St. My memory is not precise, but I believe that Sears on Loockerman St was where Delaware Made is today, and Penneys was (I think) just east of that. Penney's left in the 1960's, when the Blue Hen Mall was built. Their store was the large space on the north or west end of the mall, behind what is now the Firestone store. In fact, the Firestone store was a J. C. Penney auto service center -- tires, brakes, exhaust systems, etc. Sears left Loockerman St. when the present Dover Mall was built -- probably in the mid 1980's? Last edited on Tue Aug 18th, 2009 12:42 pm by Two Cents
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Posted: Tue Aug 18th, 2009 10:35 am |
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violetdragonfly wrote: When was Penney's in downtown Dover? I'm not saying it wasn't, I just can't remember it or maybe it was before I was old enough to really notice. I do remember Sears, as well as Kahn's, Boaman's (or was it Bowman?), 3Bs, Emmanuel's, among others.
Was it before they moved to the Blue Hen Mall? I do remember when that mall was still under construction and walking through it with my parents, before all the stores were filled up.
That's funny, I don't remember Penney's either. I remember there was an
A & P ( I believe) I remember Grandma getting the ground coffee there. A drug store where 33 West is now. There was also a 5 & 10 store which had a distinct smell.
McCrory's!!!
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Posted: Tue Aug 18th, 2009 04:15 am |
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When was Penney's in downtown Dover? I'm not saying it wasn't, I just can't remember it or maybe it was before I was old enough to really notice. I do remember Sears, as well as Kahn's, Boaman's (or was it Bowman?), 3Bs, Emmanuel's, among others.
Was it before they moved to the Blue Hen Mall? I do remember when that mall was still under construction and walking through it with my parents, before all the stores were filled up.
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Posted: Sun Aug 16th, 2009 01:01 pm |
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I have heard thru the grapevine that Mikey Z is having financial troubles so I
imagine all those empty lots will stay that way for quite awhile.
I drove down Loockerman St last Saturday and in all the years I have lived in
Dover, I have never seen so many empty storefronts.
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Posted: Fri Jul 24th, 2009 12:32 am |
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Y O Y wrote: THERE SEEMS TO BE A RASH OF REVITALIZATION GOING ON ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.IN MY OPINION IT IS REALTOR DRIVEN. THEY CAN BUY THE PROPERTIES CHEAP, GET FEDERAL OR STATE LOW INTEREST GUARANTEED LOANS AND MAKE THEM LOOK PRETTY.
WITH ENOUGH ADVERT SING THEY WILL CONVINCE BUYERS THAT THEY CAN REALLY BE SUCCESSFUL IN BUSINESS HERE.
The vast majority of businesses that are sufficiently capitalized to last long enough to have a realistic chance to become profitable -- say 5 years -- are not stupid enough to play into somebody's emotional attachment of "how nice the downtown used to be, and I am sure that it can be revitalized." The reality is that on Loockerman Street, the departures of J. C. Penney followed by Sears spelled doom for the downtown here. That cannot be recovered in Dover. The area has gone downhill since the departure of those two entities.
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Posted: Fri Jul 24th, 2009 12:21 am |
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THERE SEEMS TO BE A RASH OF REVITALIZATION GOING ON ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.IN MY OPINION IT IS REALTOR DRIVEN. THEY CAN BUY THE PROPERTIES CHEAP, GET FEDERAL OR STATE LOW INTEREST GUARANTEED LOANS AND MAKE THEM LOOK PRETTY.
WITH ENOUGH ADVERT SING THEY WILL CONVINCE BUYERS THAT THEY CAN REALLY BE SUCCESSFUL IN BUSINESS HERE.
I THINK ,AT LEAST IN WHAT I HAVE SEEN, MOST OF THESE EFFORTS FAIL AND THE NEW OWNERS GO BROKE.
A GOOD INDICATOR OF WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON IS TO CHECK THE PROPERTY RECORDS. SEE WHO BOUGHT AND SOLD THE PROPERTY. CHECK WHAT THE PROFITS WERE.
THEN CHECK HOW MANY TIMES THE PROPERTY CHANGES HANDS.
BUT BY ALL MEANS YOU NEED A CITIZENS COMMITTEE TO DRIVE THE BUS. THE BOARD OF REALTORS, DEFINITELY, HAVE THEIR OWN INTEREST AT HEART.
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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 04:47 pm |
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There are a number of towns the size of Dover which have revitalized their downtowns successfully. I can think of Fredericksburg, VA, and Leesburg, VA as examples. Frederick, Maryland, a larger city, has done well, also.
I'll say one thing that has hurt Dover's revitalization efforts has been the demolition of some of the downtown buildings that made up the old look and feel of a downtown. There are now gaps in the downtown in the places where there used to be the Dover Hardware, and Dover Newstand, etc. Also, the large building housing the Social Security offices etc. is very out of place in an old downtown. The building contrasts strongly with the old train station, nearby, the Geo. V. Massey station. Architecturally, this large building stands out like a sore thumb stylistically and in scale.
The answer isn't to demolish those structures which contribute to the historic look of the downtown, as the look and feel of the old times are what people want to experience when they come to a downtown.
One thing Leesburg, VA did was build a parking garage off the main street, in order for people who come to the downtown to have a place to park. Frederick, Maryland did this also. This makes coming to downtown to shop, easier. As it is, the parking on Loockerman Street is not easy, with many of the spaces having been taken away about 20 years ago, with the making for curved out sidewalks, (not sure of the technical way to say this.)
One other thing today, is that the trees planted back in the 80's are now grown up quite a bit, and this makes for a crowded streetscape, in my opinion.
Dover's downtown has suffered greatly, in my opinion, from the loss of buildings, and the construction of an out of place building, suffers today from a lack of good parking.
If the empty spaces on Loockerman Street are to be filled with commercial structures, those structure should be in keeping with the style of buildings already existing.
Dover's downtown has a long way to go to be vital again, but nothing is out of reach.
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Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 11:18 pm |
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Don't know what a real solution would be - a combination of things - although cleaning up certain areas would help. But I've been working there for 4 years and I have only had one person approach me for money in that time. Much less often than I am approached at WaWa for someone who 'needs a dollar for gas'. I haven't witnessed anything illegal and I've had far more problems with people who think it's ok to stop and take a whiz in my front yard out in the 'country'. I have not had a problem there and that includes walking down to Simaron's at least once a week for lunch.
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Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 05:56 pm |
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Vindicator wrote: The question to be answered is "who is responsible for taking a once decent property and running it down?" The landlords? I don't think so. Those who rent those properties are the ones responsible. Landlords don't create slums. Residents do. They figure they don't own the property so who cares? I have had this from experience of once owning nice houses in New Jersey and Philadelphia. The renetrs destroyed it and I could not even hold them responsible because the courts were too lenient claimning the renters had no funds to make repairs and that repairs were the responsibility of the landlord. Even those repairs considered abuse. The courts refused to call it vandalism. I got out of the rental business, needless to say.
I was once a landlord myself. You are absolutely right! The laws and courts protect
the tenants. I made the mistake of thinking my tenants would appreciate a nice
clean well maintained apartment bulding. That experience opened my eyes and
only then did I understand why many landlords do not fix up their properties!
Ten years of being a landlord was enough for me.
Getting back to downtown Dover, as long as you have a large percentage of housing
in the area under Section 8, there will be filth and crime in the area. Who wants to
shop where you are approached for money? Who wants to shop where you have to
walk past broken beer bottles and the smell of urine or witnessing a drug deal?
The city has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars for out of town firms to come in
and do "studies". What a waste of money!
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Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 04:55 pm |
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Rightwinger wrote: My solution to the downtown revitalization:
Round up all the druggies & alcoholics...put them in either rehab or jail
Round up all the welfare rats, give them a one way ticket to wherever they
want to go.
Let Mikey Z get on his favorite bulldozer and clear out New St , Kirkwood St
and part of Governors Ave.
Let Mikey build whatever the hell he wants.
Problem solved!
Let Mikey ? You knows he does what he wants any how heh heh heh
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Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 03:48 pm |
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Luvpug002 wrote: While I appreciate the opinion and agree to some extent, Rightwinder; the problem sounds like it may be a landlord/slumlord issue. Who owns all these homes that are rented out? The question to be answered is "who is responsible for taking a once decent property and running it down?" The landlords? I don't think so. Those who rent those properties are the ones responsible. Landlords don't create slums. Residents do. They figure they don't own the property so who cares? I have had this from experience of once owning nice houses in New Jersey and Philadelphia. The renetrs destroyed it and I could not even hold them responsible because the courts were too lenient claimning the renters had no funds to make repairs and that repairs were the responsibility of the landlord. Even those repairs considered abuse. The courts refused to call it vandalism. I got out of the rental business, needless to say.
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Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 03:29 pm |
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While I appreciate the opinion and agree to some extent, Rightwinder; the problem sounds like it may be a landlord/slumlord issue. Who owns all these homes that are rented out?
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Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 02:01 pm |
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My solution to the downtown revitalization:
Round up all the druggies & alcoholics...put them in either rehab or jail
Round up all the welfare rats, give them a one way ticket to wherever they
want to go.
Let Mikey Z get on his favorite bulldozer and clear out New St , Kirkwood St
and part of Governors Ave.
Let Mikey build whatever the hell he wants.
Problem solved!
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Posted: Sat Jul 4th, 2009 11:12 pm |
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I'm old enough too!
Lockerman and Governor use to have a jewelry store on the corner , It looks like the owner of that place did make the windows look nice , shame the parade didn't come down Lockerman , then all the shops that are still there would have been open.
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I always follow the stories about 'revitalizing downtown' with some interest. It generally comes out that you need 'upscale shops', art galleries, etc., with classy town houses and dwellings convenient to the stores so people can walk there, etc. And,of course, the government has to spend the money to help make it all happen.
I'm old enough to remember the trips to Dover as a big deal and how the Sears store and the Newsstand and Dover Hardware and so forth were busy places. They were busy because they were the only game around. You put up with the traffic and parking problems because if you didn't, you had to go to Smyrna or even [gasp] Wilmington to find places to shop. The malls and strip malls changed all that and catered to the needs of the biggest family member, -the car. You could pull in a parking spot without parallel parking and walk up to the door of the shop 20 feet away. You might think it's quaint to shop from one store to the next and meander along the sidewalks, but the bags and packages were a pain and getting them to the trunk of the car was a real relief. The supermarket was the best place because you had the car right handy to load.
All that to say , if you want traffic back downtown, you need to figure out where to accomodate our favorite shopping companion -the car.
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Posted: Sat Jul 4th, 2009 09:20 pm |
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| Most of them rent. You want renters tossed out, where will they go?
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Playing the Game wrote: Where would you suggest the current residents go?
IMO, the current residents, as do all of us regardless of economic status, each have the personal responsibility to be the best person they can be, with the talent God has given them.
Not everybody has the same gifts and earning power, but everyone can conduct themselves in a way benefiting everyone. This includes maintaining their home and property such that it is neither an eyesore nor health hazard.
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I agree, Disgusted. Perhaps the restoration group could look to some of the more successful inner city neighborhood restorations in the country and then call on real estate investors. As they study the successes, they can improve on ways to help the displaced families from rental properties in the area that would be lost. I'm sure there was a plan for this in the Philadelphia and Washington DC area neighborhoods that have been transformed.
It certainly would be no small scale project and it would require years of work and a lot of money. (sigh) I guess that's why there's a lot of skepticism about it ever taking hold, however I will remain hopeful. 
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Posted: Sat Jul 4th, 2009 06:53 pm |
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| Where would you suggest the current residents go?
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Posted: Sat Jul 4th, 2009 05:03 pm |
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Native and almost lifelong resident here, too.
As I have previously stated, if we want a commercially viable Downtown Dover, we must have a foot traffic residency financially able to support it. That does not now exist. All these groups that are working on this have been and are misdirecting their efforts, thereby wasting time and money.
We need to put Mr. Zimmerman's bulldozer to work in leveling the slums that populate North Kirkwood, Queen, and New Streets, and that part of Governors Avenue between Wesley and the Fire Station. Build owner occupied single family residences there, and require them to remain owner occupied, and no townhouses, condos, or other rentals.
Such a populace will attract businesses to the city area. This will benefit all if us, and I'm sure that City Council will be happy, because property tax receipts will rise thru the increased assessed valuation of land and buildings.
Are we serious about this - or are we simply talking but fearful of the race baiters yelling about the removal of deteriorated housing?
Commercially successful inner city areas can exist. Newark, even when U of D classes are in recess, thrives. We just have to attract and keep the people in the area.
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Oh, please don't misunderstand me. I LOVE Dover and have lived here my entire life!! I love the old town history of Dover and it's easy access to all kinds of entertainment, yet maintaining a family atmosphere. It's getting bigger all the time, but the people here are wonderful.
I was under the impression that the first post was asking for ideas. I simply was supplying my ideas and if I came across less than positive or optimistic, my apologies. I wasn't criticizing or inviting unflattering comments or equally offensive comparisons.
I would love to see Downtown Dover the busy, social and financially successful area it once was in the 1940's and 50's!
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| Dover is not Newark and it never will be. Dover is not sophisticated.
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Lovepug, if that's the atmosphere you really would enjoy, I recommend that you call a mover. That is soooooo not going to happen in downtown Dover.
I went down onto Loockerman St this evening about 7:15 PM to see what might remain from the big "First Friday Night" event. It was the same as any Friday evening -- a couple of people smoking in front of Mikes Olde Irish Bar, and a couple of couples walking along the street. Most places were closed and with good reason -- nobody was there. There is simply nothing to attract anybody downtown.
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| Great ideas. Convince the business owners who have to come here. The neighborhood just isn't conducive to upscale shops.
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Posted: Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 11:29 pm |
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The revitalization of Downtown Dover has been going on for at least 40 years. As soon as the old Blue Hen Mall opened, Downtown merchants began to suffer. Back then everyone screamed that parking was the problem. Today we have malls larger than Downtown Dover. So...why are people willing to park at a mall and walk up and down inside it, spending their money?
I think it's a combination of atmosphere, interest and entertainment. The clothing stores the kids like to shop in are there. Additionally there is a food court with any kind of food or snack you could want. Then you have the stores with entertainment value: books, movies, music, games.
It is going to be more than difficult to "piece meal" this kind of atmosphere to the Downtown area. It will take a major renovation and planning. Does anyone have that kind of money now?
I would like to see an outdoor theater set up on the Green, a Borders book store, a sporting goods, upscale shoe and purse store, Game Stop or FYE, outdoor cafe, ice cream shop, Loockerman Street closed off and the road cobble stoned. I'd like to see The Schwartz Center open for movies "Family Classics" at reduced prices on Saturdays and Sundays (the theater just sits there most of the time).
Those are my thoughts and ideas.
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Posted: Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 09:46 pm |
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| Other than what is already there, what businesses could draw people downtown on a regular enough basis to be profitable?
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Posted: Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 01:23 pm |
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Speciality businesses such as Bike Werks that I guess did so well they moved to a different location. I use them, but I suspect that most of their customer base is a lot younger then me.
Another place that seems to have worked against it's location is the German Bakery...haven't been there is a bit, but I assume they are still there.
The New Age shoppe and the Massage place both seem to be doing well, so businesses CAN suceed down there.
I also think that one or two more food places of some sort can work, and even help each other.
And I think we agree that we don't need more barber shops.
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Posted: Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 01:37 am |
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What type of business would you suggest could succeed in Downtown Dover?
Fred wrote:
Any revitalization program isn't going to happen overnight, and you can't really force it to be what you want it to be. Having reasons to go downtown is the first step. 33 West is a good example of what can be done, and I like the sandwich place, but there has to be more - but Dover can only support so many eating places. You need places to shop that are worth going to, but broad enough to attract different types of people.
One needs to get to critical mass....that combination of people who live, work, and shop in the area tha makes it a place worth going to.
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Fred -- Maybe you are not old enough or haven't been in the area long enough, but revitalizing downtown Dover has been a topic of discussion in one form or another for the last 25 years -- with the same results. This process began when the Blue Hen Mall opened and intensified somewhat when the Dover Mall opened. The3 downtown has remained dead.
Whether it is local "focus group", a myriad of different consulting companies, or whomever, the result is always the same: Every property owner and every business owner wanting for somebody else to wave the magic wand that revitalizes downtown. Nobody is truly interested in doing it -- they simply enjoy commisserating and complaining about who or what agency isn't doing what should be done to revitalize the place. The reality is, it ain't gonna happen in this lifetime.
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Posted: Wed Jul 1st, 2009 10:56 pm |
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Any revitalization program isn't going to happen overnight, and you can't really force it to be what you want it to be. Having reasons to go downtown is the first step. 33 West is a good example of what can be done, and I like the sandwich place, but there has to be more - but Dover can only support so many eating places. You need places to shop that are worth going to, but broad enough to attract different types of people.
One needs to get to critical mass....that combination of people who live, work, and shop in the area tha makes it a place worth going to.
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What do you think?
From the Delaware State News:
Revitalizing downtown focus of forum
Ideas emerge from workshop to attract businesses, residents
By Bruce Pringle
Delaware State News
DOVER — A workshop on revitalizing downtown Dover generated a wealth of ideas Tuesday, along with optimism that the prospects for attracting more housing and generating more business soon may improve.
The city could benefit from a national trend in which people seek homes in walkable downtown areas, Joseph R. Molinaro, a development specialist with the National Association of Realtors, told a gathering of nearly 50 people at Wesley College. Not only do more people want to live downtown, he said, but the Obama administration appears willing to help pay for development that enables people to walk more, drive less and thereby reduce air pollution.
He was among a panel of experts presented by Kent County Association of Realtors in what was to be a discussion of downtowns in general. But talk quickly turned to downtown Dover — and stayed there.
"You need to do what strip developers are doing on Route 13" — giving consumers what they want, Philadelphia City Councilman William J. Green said. He recommended holding large community meetings to see what people want in downtown Dover and what they are willing to see government help pay to provide. He also called for conducting market studies on the feasibility of the suggestions that emerge from those sessions.
Michael S. Purzycki, executive director of Wilmington’s Riverfront Development Corp., cautioned, "You’ve got to be realistic. Everybody wants Manayunk," a trendy, arts-rich section of Philadelphia, but you can’t create a similar area simply because you want to do so. "Manayunk happens. You don’t force it."
His organization has overseen the transformation of a blighted portion of Wilmington into a major site of jobs, dining, entertainment and new housing, After the group started in 1996, he recalled, it often was told it should focus first on housing — drawing new residents would draw new businesses. But reality proved otherwise, with business development leading the way.
The housing-first argument would not pass a "daughter test" — "Would you want your daughter to live there?" he said. But the presence of businesses made the area attractive.
"You need skeptics," Mr. Purzycki said. "You need guys who have made money, lost money, who will say, ‘That’s not gonna make it.’"
You also need government to kick in money, he said. Otherwise, developers will move on to communities where the local governments are more generous.
Panelists stressed that government also must be flexible. A decades-old zoning code may not accommodate imaginative downtown revitalization.
"Codes have gone from being comfortable to being the size-10 pair of pants that no longer fits," Patricia A. Maley, a senior planner for Wilmington, said.
As desirable as new buildings may be, saving valuable old ones is vital, Mr. Purzycki said, though he acknowledged that preservation can spark intense debate.
"Preservationists can get really difficult at times," he said, but failing to save historic structures can undermine the character of an area. "You can look like a strip mall in a hurry if you tear those buildings down and replace them."
Following the panel discussion, the audience broke into four groups to develop suggestions sparked by what they had just heard. Their ideas included:
• Using a trolley to shuttle state workers, Wesley College personnel and others downtown for lunch.
• Focusing mainly on drawing Kent Countians, leaving tourists as a secondary market.
• Creating business-friendly zoning rules in a district that would run from Loockerman Street to Division Street and perhaps beyond.
• Establishing standard downtown store hours, as malls have.
Local Realtor Philip McGinnis, who led the workshop, said a report on the event will be made to City Council and Downtown Dover Partnership in the hope that they will engage the public in creating a clear plan for downtown.
Staff writer Bruce Pringle can be reached at 741-8233 or bpringle@newszap.com.
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Total waste of time until you get a walking distance population with money in the Downtown Area.
IOW, you first have to clear out the slums that dominate the north sections of Kirkwood, Queen, and New Streets, and Governors Avenue between Wesley and the Firehouse. Have what's there razed and replaced with owner occupied single family detatched residences - no townhomes, no apartments, no rentouts - and watch the city area come alive. We'll then have those restaurants, upscale clothiers, maybe a Borders and/or Barnes and Noble.
But, you neeed the population there to patronize them. Now, it's not there. Just too many folks who prowl the streets looking for drug money, the drugs themselves, so-called ladies who earn a living on the streetcorner...yup, real attractive area.
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Posted: Tue Jun 16th, 2009 03:42 am |
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| good idea.
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From the Delaware State News:
Forum on Dover scheduled
Downtown revitalization focus of June 23 talks
By Bruce Pringle
Delaware State News
DOVER — Downtowns — and downtown Dover in particular — will be the focus of several hours of discussion Tuesday, June 23.
And anybody who cares about the subject is invited.
"It’s open to the public. It’s free. You can come and go as you please," said Philip J. McGinnis, who is organizing the event.
Sponsored by Kent County Association of Realtors, it will feature experts in urban planning and politics talking about how to pull more people and more money to downtown "Anytown U.S.A.," Mr. McGinnis said. In the last hour of the event, the talk will turn to Dover and how the lessons of the afternoon might be applied here.
"Hopefully, we will provide the city a framework around which they can put some plans — and we can get something going," said Mr. McGinnis, who runs McGinnis Commercial Real Estate Co. and chairs the realty association’s Smart Growth Working Group. "Right now, downtown Dover seems more a drain on the economy than a positive."
Better planning could change that, he asserted.
"If you call and say, ‘Can you send me the plan for downtown Dover?,’ there is no plan," he said, asserting that the city needs a comprehensive plan for downtown similar to the one it adopted this year for the city as a whole.
But he conceded the event may prove him wrong. "Maybe," he said, "the result is you don’t need anything — keep doing what you’re doing."
City Council President Beverly C. Williams welcomes the discussions, but questions whether more-detailed planning is the key to revitalizing the Loockerman Street area.
"I think the comp plan is as detailed as it needs to be," she said, adding that the city should remain flexible to deal with downtown development proposals that may emerge when the recession wanes. "We’re just waiting like everyone else for these economic times to improve."
The afternoon panel assembled by Mr. McGinnis will offer varied points of view:
• Philadelphia City Councilman Bill Green represents urban politics. "We wanted the political perspective," Mr. McGinnis said. "It’s one thing to say, ‘Let’s cut taxes’ (to attract growth). But how do you pay for things like infrastructure improvements" to accommodate that growth?
• Michael S. Purzycki, as executive director of Wilmington’s Riverfront Development Corp. since 1996, can speak from years of experience in transforming a deteriorated area along the Christina River into a collection of modern homes, offices and restaurants, a boardwalk, a baseball park and a festival site.
• Pat Maley, senior planner with the city of Wilmington, Mr. McGinnis said, specializes in preservation of historic properties, of which Dover has many.
• Joe Molinaro directs the National Association of Realtors’ Smart Growth Division, which provided $5,000 for the event. "Smart growth" generally is defined to include, among many other things, a mixing of homes and businesses that ensures shopkeepers have a ready clientele — and residents spend less time driving to and from suburban stores.
Such "mixed-use" development is what the city wants for downtown Dover, Councilwoman Williams said.
Members of a second panel, which will focus on Dover, may be more familiar to local residents: City Councilman Timothy A. Slavin, state planning chief Connie Holland and two representatives of prominent development-related firms, Arden Bardol of Becker Morgan Group and Jack Corrozi of Robino Builders.
A report on the day’s discussions will follow — within 30 days, Mr. McGinnis hopes.
"We’ll make the report available to anybody," he said.
And then what?
Mr. McGinnis isn’t sure. Perhaps, he said, the event will end with so many unanswered questions that a second one will be needed.
Staff writer Bruce Pringle can be reached at 741-8233 or bpringle@newszap.com.
If you go
Public discussion on
downtown redevelopment
Tuesday, June 23
1:30 to 4:30 p.m., Wesley College student center, panel discussion followed by audience participation in addressing downtown redevelopment in general (registration starts at 1 p.m.)
5:30 p.m. to 6:30 p.m., Fraizer’s Restaurant, Treadway Towers, discussion focusing on downtown Dover
Contact Kent County Association of Realtors at 678-9750 or e-mail info@kcar.org.
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