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Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 01:36 am |
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| Back in the 50's, Milford was a pretty nice place to live (in town). But one ride down S E Front St and the area around Seawatch, or the area around Banneker school, it's not hard to figure out that it's not what it used to be. It's just not worth the cost to live in depressed areas.
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Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 01:24 am |
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| I know the overall economy is slow, but homes are still selling. If you look at the property transfers, most homes in the area that are selling are those that are not serviced by the City of Milford Electric. It doesn't make sense to pay city taxes, county taxes, water, sewer, and electric that comes as a gift from the City. People just can't afford to live in the city and those who have a choice, aren't choosing MILFORD!
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Posted: Fri Oct 3rd, 2008 01:20 am |
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| Sorry, the meter did lie. The man that bought the house off of us told me later that he had the city crew check the meter - and it was not calibrated properly. They changed the meter - and problem solved! Of course, they kept my money.
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Posted: Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 02:48 pm |
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| Bud of KTC --- How many kilowatt-hours of energy consumption did the bill for $73 represent? The meter doesn't lie!
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Posted: Thu Oct 2nd, 2008 02:34 am |
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No, water and sewer came on a seperate bill quarterly back at that time. Trash was on the bill - $14.oo. That still leave a $73.00 charge for the electric that wasn't even being used.
What a horrible rip off!
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Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 05:35 am |
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Bud Of KTC wrote:
Once, when we moved, we left our former home vacant for a few months. We shut off the water heater, and it was summer, so there was no heat on. The only electrical fixtures left in the house were the lights on the kitchen and bathroom ceilings, and no one was there to use them. The electric bill for July was $87.36! Only in the City of Milford!
Here's how I do the math: Greed + Waste = City of Milford electric bill.
Did you have city water, sewer and trash on that bill? If so, some of that bill was composed of those costs and not just electricity.
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Posted: Wed Oct 1st, 2008 05:26 am |
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Bluesman wrote: Zym the house I mentioned previously the City of Milford Portion was $1,756.00
The City of Milford tax rate is $0.46 per hundred. Does this mean the assessed value of this home was around $380,800 based on 2001 values?
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Posted: Thu Sep 25th, 2008 03:40 pm |
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Wow! 
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Posted: Thu Sep 25th, 2008 03:05 pm |
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| Zym the house I mentioned previously the City of Milford Portion was $1,756.00 Last edited on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 03:09 pm by Bluesman
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Posted: Thu Sep 25th, 2008 02:58 pm |
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What are the avg taxes for the town of Milford? Mine are less the $400 for Middletown.
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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 04:50 pm |
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| Zym, as you may recall I'm not annexed with the City of Milford and our county property taxes are under $1,000.00 annually.
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| I don't know how anyone can afford to live in the City of Milford but I can tell you the electric rates are not high because they pay their employees good!!!!!!
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Posted: Wed Sep 24th, 2008 03:27 pm |
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I live in what I guess you would call a above avg priced development in Middletown and my town/county/school taxes are not even 3k.
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 09:48 pm |
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Zymergy wrote: Bluesman I don't know anyone outside of some REALLY high priced developments or possibly some beach property that pay 4k-5k in taxes anywhere in Delaware. Is you 4k-5k Mass. taxes?
Just found the listing sheet and this particular property we looked was within city of Milford limits. The property taxes were $3,673.00 for city and county combined. It wasn't in a "development" either, lot size was .89 and the house was 3,250 sq ft. So while it may not have been $4,000.00 it was close enough and that was 2 years ago. I will look around for the other listings I think we still have them.
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 07:14 pm |
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Bluesman I don't know anyone outside of some REALLY high priced developments or possibly some beach property that pay 4k-5k in taxes anywhere in Delaware. Is you 4k-5k Mass. taxes?
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Posted: Sat Sep 20th, 2008 01:18 am |
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We have 1 1/2 acres and our house is 2950 sq ft.
Those are MA taxes as well, people in Milford city limits get clobbered.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 10:13 pm |
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| Bill - How much acreage do you have? Those are South Jersey style taxes.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 07:59 pm |
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Possible they did, but highly unlikely over the last 2 years. Some of us who are not hooked up to city s/w have compared bills as well. The differences between our bills are miniscule.
The people with city s/w hookups bills run very close to one another and they are in fact higher than the bills of the people who are not hooked up.
Just take a look at the differences in property taxes, if I lived in an annexed part of the city I would be paying nearly $4,000.- $5,000. + in property taxes.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 07:26 pm |
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Since electric rates are supposedly the same. Maybe they should challenge their bills. As I said before, at least one person says she complained to the city about her high electric bill and they adjusted it down. Of course, the other possibility is they made a mistake on your bill, Blues.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 11:58 am |
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nice person wrote: Blues Man,
You seem so informed when it comes to electic but I'm not sure you understand Milford electric rates. All Milford electric is billed at the same residential rate..it does not matter if you are in the city limits or not. The water/sewer does. If you are not in the city limits you pay a higher rate for water/sewer....not a different rate for electic.
I understand about the sewer/water. I also know that I have seen electric bills for the same months as mine and this persons is more than double my bill. Same heating system (gas), same central air, and their house is a ranch that 1,100 sq ft smaller than mine. There are only 2 adults in the home, we have 3 and my 2 grandchildren. The only difference is they are hooked up to city services and we aren't.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19th, 2008 03:16 am |
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Blues Man,
You seem so informed when it comes to electic but I'm not sure you understand Milford electric rates. All Milford electric is billed at the same residential rate..it does not matter if you are in the city limits or not. The water/sewer does. If you are not in the city limits you pay a higher rate for water/sewer....not a different rate for electic.
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 10:42 am |
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| OS sorry yes just electric rates. Although I have not seen other peoples bills who are hooked up to city s/w in here, the general concensus is their electric bills are higher.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 05:10 pm |
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Bluesman wrote: OS,
The rates were higher for the person I compared bills with and they are hooked up to the water and sewer.
Just to clarify, we are talking about electric rates, not water/sewer? I'm a little confused due to nice person's response.
It might be fair if someone outside the city limit paid higher rates because they may be using tax money for infrastructure, but you're suggesting the person inside the city is paying more. If so, that doesn't seem to make sense.
It's also possible there is an error on someone's bill. A few years ago I was commiserating with a lady about the high electric bills. She said I should go to the city and complain because when she did it they said they made a mistake and lowered her rate. 
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 04:36 pm |
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OS,
The rates were higher for the person I compared bills with and they are hooked up to the water and sewer.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 02:43 pm |
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Residential electric rates are the same whether you live in or out of the city limits. There is no special rate for section 8. Some of the apartment complexes pay the electric for the people living there.
Water/Sewer rates are different for in and out of city limits. Out of town customers do not pay city taxes and their rate is 1 1/2 times that of city taxpayers.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 02:27 pm |
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Bluesman wrote: I was told by someone who was on section 8 housing in Milford, up until a year ago. There are apparently different "residential" rates folks in Shawnee Acres who are hooked up to City water/sewer pay a different rate then those of us who aren't, we've compared bills. Just out of curiosity, which of you is paying more?
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 11:02 am |
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nice person wrote: I think I also read something posted about a special rate for section 8 housing but this is not true. If you look at the rate schedule under http://www.cityofmilford.com you will see that all residential properties are at the same rate for electric. If the government supplements the section 8 landlords, that is not a part of the City of Milford rate schedule. Everyone pays the same residential rate for electricity.
And actually, if you go on the websites for the other DMEC member municipalities and also look at Delmarva Power's rate...Milford is not the highest. Delaware Electric Co-op is the lowest, but they buy from a southern grid that is not available to DMEC (from what I understand).
Whoever is the DMEC representative for the City of Milford needs to understand the structure of the electric purchase and transmittion equation.
Whoever is posting information about "special rates" should also be credible.
I was told by someone who was on section 8 housing in Milford, up until a year ago. There are apparently different "residential" rates folks in Shawnee Acres who are hooked up to City water/sewer pay a different rate then those of us who aren't, we've compared bills.Last edited on Thu Sep 11th, 2008 11:05 am by Bluesman
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 09:11 am |
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gee, its great you know we have seven rates for customers. what does each rate pay per kilowatt??
is it possible the citizens pay the higherst rate/
if its off peak, or on peak..i wonder, if you take their lowest cost for all seven..would you find we get no off peak rate , and they pay less.
my point??even at off peak, the others pay much less than we pay.
do you agree , we the citizens..meaning homeowners, pay the highest, by far, over the rest.
another point..how did i get appointed to be in charge of electric for milford??
its news to me
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 05:47 am |
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starsandstripes wrote: appreciate the advice about dmec. however, i have a prety good understanding of what and how they operate.
as to duties, i will not dwell on the services they provide.
they just get the rate discounts because they are large and have the ability to get these rates. yes, they provide the service of using a lot, are in milford, and we do not wish them to leave and move elsewheres.
how many classes or rates do we have? lets see, if it more than two/ three? maybe four or more
who pays the higherst rate???? taxpayer citizens
It does not appear that you were listening to what I was trying to say. I wasn't talking about DMEC's "rates"...I was talking about how costs translate into the various classes of customers in the Milford area.
Residential customers pay a base charge and a price per kWh...Commercial customers pay a different rate, but some are charged for KW (demand) and some also for on and off peak kwh......do you understand that everyone is not metered in the same way?
Milford customer classes are as follows: Residential, Small General, Medium General, General Service Primary, Large General Primary and Contract Services.
So no, we do not have two/three maybe four or more. We have 7 customer classes and they are all defined in the City of Milford's tariff.
These are defined catagories that maybe you should review before you attempt to represent Milford at DMEC.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 04:59 am |
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appreciate the advice about dmec. however, i have a prety good understanding of what and how they operate.
as to duties, i will not dwell on the services they provide.
they just get the rate discounts because they are large and have the ability to get these rates. yes, they provide the service of using a lot, are in milford, and we do not wish them to leave and move elsewheres.
how many classes or rates do we have? lets see, if it more than two/ three? maybe four or more
who pays the higherst rate???? taxpayer citizens
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 04:41 am |
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starsandstripes wrote: of course the big buyers of electric in milford pay about 40 percent less than we do as citizens
the citizens pay the highest per wattage of electricity
wonder why?? now i remember, they use more so they pay less.
If you look at the residential vs commercial rate schedule for electricty, you would see that the usage is metered differently.
Some commercial customers are structured at an on-peak and off-peak rate structure. These are, as you say, the "big buyers of electricity." Well, this is an incentive to perform some duties off of the "peak" times, thus they are called Time of Use customers.
You seem to want to be involved in DMEC but I think you should be more informed before you embarrass yourself by going into that organization without an understanding of the various residential and commercial customers that Milford serves.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 04:22 am |
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of course the big buyers of electric in milford pay about 40 percent less than we do as citizens
the citizens pay the highest per wattage of electricity
wonder why?? now i remember, they use more so they pay less
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Posted: Thu Sep 11th, 2008 03:12 am |
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Bluesman wrote: Milford already has that covered from what I understand, section 8 housing has a flat rate of $20.00 a month. Maybe that's why those of us who work have a higher rate.
I think I also read something posted about a special rate for section 8 housing but this is not true. If you look at the rate schedule under http://www.cityofmilford.com you will see that all residential properties are at the same rate for electric. If the government supplements the section 8 landlords, that is not a part of the City of Milford rate schedule. Everyone pays the same residential rate for electricity.
And actually, if you go on the websites for the other DMEC member municipalities and also look at Delmarva Power's rate...Milford is not the highest. Delaware Electric Co-op is the lowest, but they buy from a southern grid that is not available to DMEC (from what I understand).
Whoever is the DMEC representative for the City of Milford needs to understand the structure of the electric purchase and transmittion equation.
Whoever is posting information about "special rates" should also be credible.
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 01:35 am |
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will someone in milford government wake up the responsible mlford representative to dmec that oil hit a 6 week low price.
it should indicate that we buy some electric for milford taxpayers as we go lower
or, we buy as soon as it rises .
of course its , i would have, could have, should have..its not like we know the price is low and in our buying area ,
nope, we will wait till it shoots up and declare wow,
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Posted: Sun Aug 31st, 2008 10:08 pm |
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And I Repeat:
Bud Of KTC wrote:
The more I look around, the more I think that the working man is doing it all backwards. He is only working to keep the same utility companies that abuse him, and the same government that abuses him, in business.
The people who live off the government have it all figured out. They get to stay home with their families and the government gives them housing, food, medical insurance, often a vehicle, and pays their utilities. Meanwhile, we are working two or three jobs, and leaving our kids in daycare for somebody else to raise, so the government can steal from our paychecks and give it to those who won't work, and think it's their entitlement.
On top of that, the utility companies continue to expect more from us when they already have too much. How many billions in profit did Exxon-Mobil post last quarter? How may millions are sitting in the City of Milford coffers now, gathered from overpriced electric bills?
The rich get richer, and the working man continues to support those that abuse him the most.
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| Milford already has that covered from what I understand, section 8 housing has a flat rate of $20.00 a month. Maybe that's why those of us who work have a higher rate. Last edited on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 07:16 pm by Bluesman
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Posted: Sun Aug 31st, 2008 05:52 pm |
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It's a economic disaster about Milford Electric.
It should be investigated.
Will the state help with the poor that can't pay their bill???????
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The bill for September arrived and rate is $ 0.1630/kwh vs $ 0.1471/kwh. That's 10.81% not 26%.
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 05:48 pm |
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starsandstripes wrote: blues,
why mix in how to conserve electric??we are not talking about how individuals can lower their usage. we are talking about how to pay for a product that is a fixed cost in so far as we need to utilize it.
when you bought electric or gas did you have the ability to buy out 24 months, 100 percent of how much you wanted, at a set price? well, we do as a city
i believe the city needs oversight on many issues. electric is one of the most important
taxpayers, elecric payers should not pay more than we have to pay for the service.
It's only a fixed price up to a certain point and you just refuse to grasp that fact, especially when we (DMEC) has to buy on an open market due to excess use.
Some people are to darn lazy and or to spoiled to conserve because many think it is okay to be wasteful while complaining when costs go up. Why should I (someone who does conserve) be penalized and have to pay more because someone like you or others believes they shouldn't have to conserve.
Why should all the non annexed residents who do not reap the benefits of the city services subsidize annexed residents like you by paying the same rate. As I stated before I wonder how high your bills would be if all the non annexed homes didn't subsidize the City of Milford's coffers to pay for city employees.
No offense meant but if you truly believe that "electric is one of the most important" issues Milford is facing you are either oblivious, selfish, or a fool.
70 +% of this nations wealth goes to buying foreign oil because people like you are of the mindset that we as American's shouldn't have to cinch up a bit and conserve. We are the world's largest energy user yet we supply ourselves with less than 10% of our own resources to meet those energy demands.
BTW I do have a 12 month locked in contract with my home heating supplier, BUT it also has a fuel cost increase clause.
In any event I am done debating this with you.
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 05:06 pm |
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blues,
you mix up, you, as an individual buying a car full of gas or filling your propane tank
yes, you buy ten gallons and thats it.,
buying elecric for seven cities allows you to buy out in time. that means you have a contract for a given price, and use it over a period of time, along with a given quantity.
how much to buy is a known number based on last years actual usage, projected growth, make it eight percent, make it any number you desire, mix in what you believe is additional homes or business. its not that complicated,. the city forcasts permits, has construction numbers
why mix in how to conserve electric??we are not talking about how individuals can lower their usage. we are talking about how to pay for a product that is a fixed cost in so far as we need to utilize it.
when you bought electric or gas did you have the ability to buy out 24 months, 100 percent of how much you wanted, at a set price? well, we do as a city
you believe the city management should have no oversight . i believe the city needs oversight on many issues. electric is one of the most important
taxpayers, elecric payers should not pay more than we have to pay for the service.
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 12:07 pm |
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Your philosophical oration about this is bordering on rediculous, you refuse to answer a direct question I have asked you.
I notice in your buying concept example you didn't bother to calculate how many new homes have been built and are occupied over the same last 3 year time frame. You left out all the new developments that are approved they need to be factored in as well. It's not anywhere near as simple as you are trying to make it out to be, not by a long stretch.
quoting you:
"we always should have contracts. some for 24 months, some for 12 months. some for three months. some for a month. each day we use what we bought, sell back what we do not want, and, if we get caught short..then, we buy at market price."
You are the one who stated buy more and sell it back, now you switch midstride again. Milford can only come up with an estimated amount it's customers will use. If we use more we are at the mercy of the prevailing price. Same applies with DMEC, because Milford is part of DMEC.
I worked in the industry for over 10 years at nuclear plants, co generation plants, and fossil fuel plants, I do understand the industry and how it works quite well.
Do I believe costs rise in one week ? YES
Do I believe they change on a daily basis ? YES
Do we as the end user get those savings past on to us ? NO
All anyone has to do is look at gas prices at the pump, the price of a barrel of oil drops significantly yet the pump price drops a few cents.
I have automatic deliverey for my propane and I have seen my fuel costs rise over a 2 week period. It happened last fall and winter several times, and it rose again during summer.
It happened when we lived up in the NE and heated our home with a wood pellet stove, prices for the pellets rose over 15% in 1 week. Then there was such a shortage that we couldn't even buy the usual 1 ton quantity (50 - 40# bags) at one time we were resricted to 10 bags. During that period the price rose almost daily.
Everything is based on past useage and projections for current useage, that is how energy suppliers buy. We are developing Delaware so fast that the suppliers of electricity DMEC, DelMarva Power, and whomever else supplies Delaware can't keep up with the demand.
If you think you have a better solution and are more knowledgeable than the communities that make up DMEC (which by the way I don't believe you have a clue) step up to the plate and take a seat on Milford's council or go to a DMEC meeting and tell these folks they have it all wrong.
You stated previously:
"as to what can we do for electric reduction? lots.....we can , as a city, inform our representative to dmec to consider the needs of the tax payers and electric users."
Why is there no personal accountability for what you use. People should be promoting ways to conserve, and changing their lifestyles if need be. Individuals need to do their part as well and conserve, instead of looking for the government to bail them out, and that isn't happening, so now everyone has to pay the price.
Bottom line in all of this you have no viable solution but only broadstroke complaints and innuendos that it is everyone elses wrong doing and fault for the situation we are currently in. You seem to forget these very council members and board members you blame are residents of Milford as well and pay the same price for their electricity as we all do.
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 04:39 am |
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blues, how much do we buy??
we take the last three years usage, by month. measure the average increase, forcast , say additional any percent you like, and that is what we will most likely need. even if we buy 95 percent of what we need on contract we are going to be on target. we buy out for a maximum of 24 to 36 months. six months pass, we buy out six more months.its called rolling over averaging cost.
your confusion is mixing transmission costs, congestion costs line problems with what i am talking about.
i am referring to the power dmec buys for us. power , electric is bought by dmec from wholsalers. this represents about 80 percent of the electric bill. the other 20 percent is overhead and other costs.
dmec does not have to buy every day, but does so, because it prefers to do so.
we do not need to get caught into day buying, we have the choice in this matter.
so, we based on usage and added forcast needs. we buy at any time the 30 day moving average is lower than the 90 day moving average after taking the low point and an uptick is six percent over the low.
so we buy low after we see any kind of uptick that we can live with. like 6 to 8 percent.
remember, we are buying what we will use and need, not for resale purposes. this way we average out costs.
right now, last few years , milford took no protection other than the one contract that ends next may.
i really do not wish to win an argument on electric. my purpose is to get milford city council to take a pro active position to help the citizens get the lowest possible price cost for electric.
we do not need to pay the highest prices for electric, yes, it will cost more, but, we are facing this 32 percent increase and an additional 80 to 100 per increase next june one.
don't you think we should take positve action on electric?? this is serious money to many in milford.
we pay for a consultant to recommend actions on electric. do you think we got our moneys worth if we took no actions for the period a year ago may till now??
do you really think electric rates went up in one week. you think everyone did not see it rising like gasoline costs??of course we did. but, the city council gave no direction to dmec to act for our benefit as far as i can understand.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 10:16 pm |
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starsandstripes wrote: blues, we are not in a position using dmec that we have to buy into the open market, that is my very point in this conversation.
we thru dmec can always buy out in time. we are not suppose to be buying in the open market.
lets see if i can expalin this.
we always should have contracts. some for 24 months, some for 12 months. some for three months. some for a month. each day we use what we bought, sell back what we do not want, and, if we get caught short..then, we buy at market price.
our basic problem was and is buying daily as the price goes up or down..
look, its four o clock on any friday..we need electric at that moment. so, we pay ten or even twenty times the price all that day, because at that moment in time we need to buy.
our problem is that we do not buy what we need in advance. its called timing to market pricing.
No it's called speculation....
How much do "we" buy in advance, based on what figures?
DMEC has to buy at the current price when the useage exceeds what they can provide. You obviously did not bother to read what the DMEC report stated. Problems arise with cost when DMEC can't provide the electricity to all the communities because of higher demands, that they can't meet.
One solution build another source for generating electricity what ever it may be, costs will rise then as well.
BTW: DMEC does not "buy back" unused electricity Milford would have to sell it on the "open market." We do not even have net meters or interconnection for homes using solar panels, generators, wind power, like other electric suppliers do.
From the Mid Atlantic Power Pathway site:
WHAT THEY'RE SAYING
The Need for a New Power Pathway
“We can respond essentially in two ways: we can add more capacity through new generation or transmission, or we can reduce amount of electricity we use. At the end of the day, we will need to do some of both. At the national level…investment in transmission that is critical in linking generation to loads continues to lag behind generation and load growth.”
National Rural Electric Cooperative Association Study
November 2006
“As a result of transmission constraints, high-production-cost generators in eastern PJM...are used extensively, while generating capacity at lower-production-cost generators in western PJM…is available but inaccessible. These additional costs are passed on to electricity consumers.”
U.S. Department of Energy report
Providing Access to More Affordable Sources of Power
“Transmission offers the highest total economic value added compared to the costs. New transmission affects both capacity and energy costs because it relieves the physical transmission constraints in the grid. The Mid Atlantic Power Pathway Project will provide Delaware ratepayers with access to significant, new, competitively priced supply, and will allow [Delmarva Power] to cost-effectively meet forecasted demand via the competitive wholesale auction procedures currently in place.”
Delaware State Senator Harris B. McDowell, III
Chair, Energy and Transit Committee
December 2006
“The Delmarva Peninsula has experienced significant electric transmission congestion over the past ten years, resulting in all electric consumers experiencing higher costs. The MAPP project would create long-term benefits to the Peninsula and is critical to the future economics of its native utilities and their customers.”
Patrick E. McCullar, Chairman
Delaware Peninsula Planning Association
September 4, 2007
Letter on behalf of DPPA members to PJM’s Board of Managers
“The Members of Delaware Municipal Electric Corporation support the proposed MAPP Transmission Project and encourage the various planning and regulatory agencies to move this important project forward without delay. The future of economic development and reliable electric service in Delaware depends on it.”
Delaware Municipal Electric Corporation
February 7, 2007
You are still avoiding a direct question I asked you so I ask again:
If you were the person making the decisions for the City of Milford as to when to enter the purchase of power for the next 6 month period for DMEC, would you do it:
1) Today?
2) Tommorrow?
3) Friday?
Now explain why or why not any of those 3 days
Last edited on Wed Aug 27th, 2008 10:35 pm by Bluesman
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 09:42 pm |
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blues, we are not in a position using dmec that we have to buy into the open market, that is my very point in this conversation.
we thru dmec can always buy out in time. we are not suppose to be buying in the open market.
lets see if i can expalin this.
we always should have contracts. some for 24 months, some for 12 months. some for three months. some for a month. each day we use what we bought, sell back what we do not want, and, if we get caught short..then, we buy at market price.
our basic problem was and is buying daily as the price goes up or down..
look, its four o clock on any friday..we need electric at that moment. so, we pay ten or even twenty times the price all that day, because at that moment in time we need to buy.
our problem is that we do not buy what we need in advance. its called timing to market pricing.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 07:22 pm |
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Stars,
I understand a whole lot more than you give me credit for. Don't forget I also pay the same electric rates as those who live in the annexed part of the city.
Why shouldn't unannexed residents get a different rate, we don't have any city services provided to us, and that is what the added cost to the electric bill is for to pay for city employees.
Milford is but one voice one vote in what goes on with DMEC. When the useage goes over what DMEC can provide they don't have time to shop around to get the best rate at that moment they need to meet the supply demand at that point in time.
Here are todays current market price with the forcast for crude oil it is not going down but back up again as the heating season gets here.
August 27,2008
Price
14:17 - $ 117.59
Change
 1.32 1.14%
Trades
79,414
Volume
209,966
Range
115.64 - 119.63
Open
117.60
52 Wk Range
90.05 - 146.50
1 Year Forecast
$152.87 / Barrel
If you were the person making the decisions as to when to enter the purchase of power for the next 6 month period for DMEC, would you do it:
1) Today?
2) Tommorrow?
3) Friday?
Now explain why or why not any of those 3 days.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 05:34 pm |
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blues, i believe you are not exactly , understanding , the reason electric charges to the public rises.
we all know costs rise such as transmission costs, overhead, profits, and capital improvements. that all represents about 20 percent of the cost to us, the public.
those are referred to as fixed charges.
when i refer to us saving big bucks it is the cost of buying the true electric.
us , meaning dmec , buys from other carriers
carriers are those companies that supply product to dmec..
this 80 percent cost rises and falls over the period of an hour, day, month year.
we needed and still need, a direction to dmec to buy at the best possible price on costs declines, and to get the lowest possible costs.
this has not been the case in fact, if, you consider that for the time frame from a year ago may, with our contract, we never made an additional buy.if we did make a buy it was never made public knowledge.
now, we may have made recent buys from the period of oil hitting about 141 bucks a gallon period. we are about 116 to 118 bucks now.
so, how much electric has dmec bought , by month, from now going out in time to our farthest point?? how much did we buy and at what price.
once we know how much we paid, time frame, and quantity we can all add the numbers together.
is it negative to want the public to be informed? is it negative to want tax payers who have high gas, mortgages, and all the other economic costs to get their electric at the lowest possible cost?
last thoughts. each dmec member pays the same for the electric from dmec. its the pass thru costs that each city uses to add to the bill that makes each city charge different electric prices to their customers.
i blame the city council for not looking at the electric charges, for not giving direction to our dmec representative.the buck stops at the council level because they run this city with directions to management of the city.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 04:49 pm |
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blues, how does explaining the electric charges appearing on the bill reflect a viewpoint of mine?
pretty difficult stretch of the imagination ..i point out what was stated by city government at a council meeting and suddenly, it becomes my viewpoint??
anyway, your question is why do i write so much of what we can do better for milford?
i live here and care about my neighbors.
as to what can we do for electric reduction? lots..
we can , as a city, inform our representative to dmec to consider the needs of the tax payers and electric users.
we could and can buy future contracts when we have dips in electric charges by the dmec suppliers.
we need a policy on how and when to buy electric as a part of dmec
we need to compare our costs against other sources and make sure we have the best, most efficent system in place. the list goes on what we could be doing
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 11:11 am |
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starsandstripes wrote: we, meaning those who attend city council meetings, know for fact..the increase july one was 5.9% . we also know the next bill you receive for the time frame august one wll be 26% additional
i have not received my august billing yet. maybe you have. if so, divide the total electric including adjustments, and divide by units used. the amount? your cost per kilowatt.
The only "we" is you if the truth be known. Now you have done plenty of finger pointing and blaming (mostly at the wrong people), what do youm offer for a viable solution. You want electric costs to go down while the fuel used and required to produce the electricity goes up.
Here's some food for thought, I wonder how high the Milford electric rates would be if all the non annexed homes in Milford who don't get city services were to go with a different electric supplier.
Not being nasty but your "Now you see it, now you don't" is appropriate for your style of complaining and posting. We see your complaints but never see your viable solutions.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 06:42 am |
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we, meaning those who attend city council meetings, know for fact..the increase july one was 5.9% . we also know the next bill you receive for the time frame august one wll be 26% additional
i have not received my august billing yet. maybe you have. if so, divide the total electric including adjustments, and divide by units used. the amount? your cost per kilowatt.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27th, 2008 05:31 am |
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| All I know is I have friends in Lewes with houses the same size or smaller than mine with similar amounts of usage (I know you' |