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Posted: Sat Oct 18th, 2008 11:53 pm |
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I live in Shawnee Acres and we discuss the flooding issue at every meeting. I have lived here for 2 years this month and NOTHING has been done by the city of Milford Sussex county or state to correct the flooding issue. We as a homeowners association:
1) Don't have the money to fight an Elmer Fannin
2) SAHA shouldn't have to fight the issue, the ponds are tied into the drainage swales (running along Elks Lodge Road) which are either county or city owned to alleviate flooding in Hearthstone Manor, apparently without approval.
The flow of water comes from Hearthstone Manor retention ponds under Lexington Avenue Elks Lodge Road intersection, turns right and runs parallel with Lexington Avenue behind the homes, into Shawnee Acres Country Club, from there it flows into Herring Branch on to to Marshal's Pond , under BR 1 into the creek and on to the Mispillion River.
3) Silt that has directly washed down from Hearthstone Manors ponds and still clogs the creek running behind the properties along Lexington Avenue.
4) Has built a series of flood retention ponds that tie directly into Shawnee Acres overflow system without getting permission from SAHA and it is not shown tying into Shawnee Acres on the plans for the development
5) Come into Shawnee Acres from Elks Lodge Road entrance proceed on Valley Forge Drive. There is a new home being constructed on the right, the lot was bought by Hearthstone Manor. Care to guess what is located directly behind the house ?? .....
(# 4 above ) the last retention pond in a series that is located right on the boundry line and is tied into Shawnee Acres overflow system (which when constructed and approved was designed for the runoff water within our boundries, not excess flow from another location that is man made)
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Posted: Sat Oct 18th, 2008 07:21 pm |
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i think you are quite lucky to have such a great city council. they would never approve an extension for hearthstone two if hearthstone one was not in full compliance with all city rules and ordinances.
why, i bet they check taxes, complaints on file, litigation on file, and all other complaints.
our city council would never approve an extension of time unless all was in place.
does anyone know for sure if there is anything ongoing that says the council should be concerned.
like, we require street curbs in our current ordinances, if they approve what hearthstone two wants it will be at current up to date conditions.
in fact this is not an approval under old rules, this extension requires them to use current rules//doesn't it???
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Posted: Sat Oct 18th, 2008 03:29 pm |
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Bluesman, also was told about the flooding in Shawnee. When one of the ponds overflow it goes over to Shawnee. How could the city not have seen what Hearthstone would do. Was also told Hearthstone was only to have around 750 homes when it was approved? Then Hearthstone/Key Properties came back in when all were asleep and got approval for 1250 homes. No bond was issue or required by the city. what is that all about. At diner last night overheard a conversation and join in was told about the parking problems in Hearthstone.
Also there is flooding under several of the houses and condos.
I'm not against building but we need to protect the city and consumers so we can grow and get well paying jobs here for our young.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17th, 2008 09:42 pm |
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| I don't know why they are pushing for phase 2 when phase 1, as BigRed and I have stated isn't even complete yet, it looks as though about 30 - 40% are still just shells. I know there are still issues over what is open space....containment ponds are clearly not open space.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17th, 2008 09:21 pm |
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i was under the impression you had to be up to date on taxes, not be under any city violations, and then you got extensions.
am i wrong??
as far as i know, hearthstone is up to date on many issues..what ever happened to that business with gemcraft and some pipes for drainage?? was that ever settled??
so long ago i forgot what the law case was about, except i remmeber the case was thrown out by the judge for the city not voting in public.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17th, 2008 09:17 pm |
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if the swales are not fixed, if they have liiter all over the place like some say, if they have any other infractions of the law, then...
my question is//
why would the city approve hearthstone two at our next council meeting??
why are they asking for an extension?? are they building now? or, is ther a problem?? anyone know??
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Posted: Fri Oct 17th, 2008 06:45 pm |
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Big Red,
Glad you did some checking as well. The Heartstone Manor fiasco clearly paints a picture. As you stated the city is well aware of the issues and IMHO are using the "eventually" mentality to deal with them.
Open space to Mr. Fannin are the storm containment ponds, because apparently the city hasn't defined "open space" well enough. Apparently Elmer thinks all the residents are like Jesus and can walk on water. Wait until a child gets hurt either in one of the many unfinished ponds or the huge pile of dirt which has sat in the field for as long as we have lived here which is 2 years. They are attractive nuisances, and if a child gets hurt the family will more than likely sue.
Mr. Fannin has no problem with his private property but could care less about his neighbors the owners property in Shawnee Acres who deal with flooding (which never occured before Heartstone Manor was built) because of the tying in of the HM containment ponds to the state owner drainage swale.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17th, 2008 06:08 pm |
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Talked with Councilman Spillane (remembering that Bluesman thought CouncilmanSpillane was "the real deal") about the swales and "service station.
Simple solution to the convenience store with gas pumps move the service station over to the other corner. Look up the zoning code on gasoline service station and look the meaning up in the dictionary. Also the state calls them self service stations.
How is the state going to give them a permit to operate. Think the state elected officials need to be address and probably need to vote them out. Simpson and Walls were there at the Woodhaven meeting but only Kent County Buckson spoke at the council meeting. Where were the other two??
Remembering the story about the goats at Heartstone Manor, I rode over there Hearthsone to look at this so called "Ditch" thinking that the person that had the goats wanted some attention. Walked the length of Clearview Dr don't think they wanted attention to themselves but wanted clearly an unsafe condition to be fixed. Also found out it was Mr. Spillane who had the goats. He told me the Homeowners had been in contact with the city for 2 years trying to fix the problem.
Finally Mr. Carmean told a couple of the homeowners the city would take responsilbility for fixing the "Ditch". City bought the pipe, put two sections in by city employees and Mr. Fannin to the city to take out the pipe because it is private property. Mr. Fannin made the mess let him pay not the city. I don't live in Hearthstone why should the citizens pay. Found out Hearthstone is not turned over to the city.
Shells of condo and brick foundations had expired permits. Now they are finishing some of the condos and renting them. If Mr. Fannin can make the city leave no wonder the houses and condo are iln bad shape. Are the city inspectors inspecting at all?? Bluesman you may be right it is a new city (New Milford) in the City of Milford run by the self elected mayor Mr. Fannin.
Hope all of the people on this forum go out and find the truth of what is going on in ths city.
Didn't vote for Councilman Spillane but I respect him for what he is trying to do
Councilman Owens and Councilman Workman may have the help they need now with the newly elected Councilman enforce the city codes.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17th, 2008 11:48 am |
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deapp1 wrote: Bluesman, that's funny he mentioned that. At one of the Woodshaven meetings, representatives from DelDot said that there had NEVER been an overpass planned at Front/New Wharf road. People who lived in the area when Rt. 1 was built, have said and continue to say that the purpose of the State purchasing land in that vincinity was to build an overpass and as little as 4 weeks ago, DelDot had no knowledge. Then, they come back two later and say the overpass is on the list, but need to get funding. This development was political in origin and no one can convince me otherwise and those who try are turning their noses because the stench is so bad!
Of course it's all politically motivated and look at what is left over, board and council members who are in the real estate business ie; either as builders, contractors, or real estate agents, pick up the rest.
It's the same thing with Elmer Fannin and Heartstone Manor ( in his "New Milford" what a joke), swales improperly built, containment ponds that are tied into the State drainage swales that runs parallel with Elks Lodge Rd. When the ponds overflow the silt and water floods properties on the northern side of Shawnee Acres, because the creek is so filled with silt from when Heartstone Manor was built. He refises to correct any of the problems and the City does nothing, one has to wonder how many local campaigns he has contributed to.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17th, 2008 03:55 am |
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| Bluesman, that's funny he mentioned that. At one of the Woodshaven meetings, representatives from DelDot said that there had NEVER been an overpass planned at Front/New Wharf road. People who lived in the area when Rt. 1 was built, have said and continue to say that the purpose of the State purchasing land in that vincinity was to build an overpass and as little as 4 weeks ago, DelDot had no knowledge. Then, they come back two later and say the overpass is on the list, but need to get funding. This development was political in origin and no one can convince me otherwise and those who try are turning their noses because the stench is so bad!
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Posted: Fri Oct 17th, 2008 03:07 am |
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Kimo,
Beautiful highway scenery ? No offense but RT is strewn litter and although I have only been a Milford resident for 2 years there have been at least 12 accidents along this stretch of roadway and 2 accidents had fatalities, one involving a Milford School District school bus.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17th, 2008 03:03 am |
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deapp1,
It goes hand in hand with Richard D Carmean comments made at the podium during the initial hearing.
While he acknowledged traffic concerns he stated:
"Everything is planned around that overpass" referring to the states plan to "eventually" construct an overpass at New Wharf Road.
This coming from the former Chief of Police who knows all to well the dangers along RT 1 with the intersecting roadways, starting at the RT 113 exit and proceeding southward beyond Wilkens Road.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17th, 2008 01:04 am |
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Dear deapp1,
Point well taken.
mahalo,
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Posted: Fri Oct 17th, 2008 12:31 am |
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If you are driving, and a handicapped individual, state law requires that staff of the "convenience store" actually come out and pump gas for you. If not mistaken, this is a "service" being provided by the bussiness. In addtion, the intent of the law is to protect the schools in the advent of a serious situation. The Field and Football fields of the high school are well within the 500 feet, AS PER CODE, of the proposed parcel where the "convenince store" will be located. Are we asking too much of our elected officials to 1) follow the law and 2) make decisions based on intent of the law, which, I believe, is to protect the children which attend these schools and associated events that the community enjoy as well.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17th, 2008 12:09 am |
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Aloha from Hawaii,
While reading NewsZap recently it really amazed me why there is so much bickering. Does everything really have be politically correct? Our fore fathers are probably kicking the dirt off of their graves laughing. I always thought a " service station" was a place where you pull in to get gas pumped, your windows cleaned, oil checked and your tire pressure checked. Clearly the convience stores are not service stations. Gas pumps are safer now than in the past. I feel Owen Brooks really opposes building a small shopping center on Rt 1 because he and other council members don't want tourist to see anything but a beautiful highway on their trek to your beaches. I knew another gentleman who had great influence in the Sussex County Council. He kept the east side of Milford free of convenience stores etc. because he thought they presented an eye sore. Development along Rt 1, if done tastefully, could be beneficial to the city. Take a look at Pedlers Village. Instead of steel and concrete, use logs. Make it look like a country setting.
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Posted: Thu Oct 16th, 2008 11:54 pm |
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It's very frustrating to hear a city councilman say things like "we'll fix the loopholes later".
These people are there to mandate certain rules and regulations. They are not there to make it up as they go along.
What a pitiful bunch...........
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Posted: Thu Oct 16th, 2008 09:50 pm |
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| You're absolutely right - that's the reason the city has problems. Break their own law, which the AG's office should be aware of, and "roll" it through. I couldn't believe the comment "fix the loopholes later"- the "loopholes" that need to be fixed are these council members that are still in the good ole boy network- the Carmean era is over.
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Posted: Thu Oct 16th, 2008 07:54 pm |
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Why is nothing mentioned about the screwup with the runoff swales at Heartstone Manor which Elmer Fannin refuses to fix. Another case of the city councils just approviong a project without reviewing everything before affixing the rubber stamp approval.
That seems to be the way in Milford, build a development with swales that are incorrectly built. Approve a gas station within 500' of a school on the speculation that a serious traffic problem may one day get corrected by DelDOT.
Approve projects now, worry about the "loopholes" later, it is painfully obvious nobody on the Milford council gives a d**n about the children, citizens, or Milford govenmental "loopholes" .
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Posted: Thu Oct 16th, 2008 07:16 pm |
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Council takes off the gloves
Talks turn heated
as members
disagree on issues
By Gwen Guerke
Milford Chronicle
MILFORD — Council members traded barbs with one another several times at its Monday meeting, but most heatedly over whether to debate a vote taken during a Sept. 22 meeting.
At that session, council voted 4 to 3 in favor of granting a conditional-use permit for plans to build a Royal Farms convenience store at the intersection of Del. 1 and North West 10th street.
Council approval was needed for the convenience store because, according to Milford’s zoning ordinance, gas pumps require special city approval.
The favorable vote meant that developer Dennis Silicato could proceed with plans before he returns to the city for approval of a final site plan for the project.
Meanwhile, 1st Ward Councilman Michael Spillane asked Tim Willard, the city’s attorney, to research whether the vote is legal since Mr. Spillane is debating the language of the law: are gas pumps a service station?
Mr. Spillane argued that Milford’s laws forbid a service station within 500 feet of school property, but those who favor the project say the pumps are not an additional risk, citing nearby Valero and Wawa pumps.
"The root of the issue is the councilman seems to be appealing the council’s action," said David Baird, city manager.
"The approach you’re taking by trying to open debate seems you are trying to undo the decision."
Third Ward Councilman Douglas Morrow urged council to not revisit the matter.
"We took a vote. I think it’s done. He disagrees, but that’s why we vote," Councilman Morrow said.
"I have no interest in discussing it any more."
But 1st Ward Councilman John Workman addressed another issue surrounding the controversial project.
"We voted on a gas station. Their site plans had a car wash and that wasn’t in the original site plan," Councilman Workman said.
While Mr. Willard cited cases from Michigan and from New Castle County to argue that the Sept. 22 vote was valid, he asked for time to review the record before he offered an opinion on the proposed car wash.
Fourth Ward Councilman James Starling echoed Councilman Morrow’s sentiments.
"It’s time to move on. We will fix the loopholes," he said.
Third Ward Councilman Owen S. Brooks Jr. had other concerns.
"They just don’t care. Nobody cares about the kids," he said.
"I still want a light at 10th Street."
In other business:
• Council honored Milford Parks and Recreation Department director Gary L. Emory for 30 years of service to the city.
• City manager David Baird said he expects the Oct. 27 council meeting to be held in the newly refurbished Milford City Hall.
Dedication ceremonies will be held in November or early December.
Mayor Dan Marabello appointed a committee to decide how the lower level of the building will be used.
Members of the committee are Councilman Workman, Councilwoman Wilson, Councilman Spillane and Mayor Spillane.
• City inspectors continue to monitor efforts to demolish a portion of a home at the corner of North West Front and Church streets.
Dan Bond, the owner, will hire a structural engineer to assist in the project so that demolition of one half of the building does not destroy the owner-occupied other side.
The Bonds will also install a chain-link fence around the site.
"Would you ask them to clean out the debris and take that toilet off the second floor. That’s an eyesore," said Councilman Workman.
• Milford will hire an engineering firm to determine if the city-owned Washington Street bridge can be repaired or if it needs to be replaced.
City engineer Mark Mallamo said the bridge is showing signs of wear and will need an additional inspection.
The city may be able to get matching funds for the project.
• Three people spoke during the 15-minute public comment session.
• The city reviewed a new subdivision code that was initially introduced in July 28.
The discussion launched another heated debate over topsoil.
Councilman Spillane wanted a definition of topsoil included in the ordinance as well as in the specifications for contractors.
"I’d argue just the opposite," said Mr. Baird.
"We have engineers and city managers in place. We have to trust them enough," said Councilwoman Wilson.
"I am not here to put a blame. It doesn’t spell out what topsoil is in detail," said Councilman Spillane.
• Council heard a proposed law governing rental properties. Landlords would have to pay $75 per unit for a license.
If the landlord does not live in the area, he or see would require a local contact living within a 10-mile radius of the city.
• Council granted a one-year extension to developers planning a project called The Homestead located on the Fry property at Del. 14 and Canterbury Road.
The project for the 186 acres was sold to Bolis Properties in August.
Originally started in 2006, it includes 40 acres designed for commercial development.
Gwen Guerke can reached at
422-1200 or tell2gwen@aol.com.
Council takes off the gloves
Talks turn heated
as members
disagree on issues
By Gwen Guerke
Milford Chronicle
MILFORD — Council members traded barbs with one another several times at its Monday meeting, but most heatedly over whether to debate a vote taken during a Sept. 22 meeting.
At that session, council voted 4 to 3 in favor of granting a conditional-use permit for plans to build a Royal Farms convenience store at the intersection of Del. 1 and North West 10th street.
Council approval was needed for the convenience store because, according to Milford’s zoning ordinance, gas pumps require special city approval.
The favorable vote meant that developer Dennis Silicato could proceed with plans before he returns to the city for approval of a final site plan for the project.
Meanwhile, 1st Ward Councilman Michael Spillane asked Tim Willard, the city’s attorney, to research whether the vote is legal since Mr. Spillane is debating the language of the law: are gas pumps a service station?
Mr. Spillane argued that Milford’s laws forbid a service station within 500 feet of school property, but those who favor the project say the pumps are not an additional risk, citing nearby Valero and Wawa pumps.
"The root of the issue is the councilman seems to be appealing the council’s action," said David Baird, city manager.
"The approach you’re taking by trying to open debate seems you are trying to undo the decision."
Third Ward Councilman Douglas Morrow urged council to not revisit the matter.
"We took a vote. I think it’s done. He disagrees, but that’s why we vote," Councilman Morrow said.
"I have no interest in discussing it any more."
But 1st Ward Councilman John Workman addressed another issue surrounding the controversial project.
"We voted on a gas station. Their site plans had a car wash and that wasn’t in the original site plan," Councilman Workman said.
While Mr. Willard cited cases from Michigan and from New Castle County to argue that the Sept. 22 vote was valid, he asked for time to review the record before he offered an opinion on the proposed car wash.
Fourth Ward Councilman James Starling echoed Councilman Morrow’s sentiments.
"It’s time to move on. We will fix the loopholes," he said.
Third Ward Councilman Owen S. Brooks Jr. had other concerns.
"They just don’t care. Nobody cares about the kids," he said.
"I still want a light at 10th Street."
In other business:
• Council honored Milford Parks and Recreation Department director Gary L. Emory for 30 years of service to the city.
• City manager David Baird said he expects the Oct. 27 council meeting to be held in the newly refurbished Milford City Hall.
Dedication ceremonies will be held in November or early December.
Mayor Dan Marabello appointed a committee to decide how the lower level of the building will be used.
Members of the committee are Councilman Workman, Councilwoman Wilson, Councilman Spillane and Mayor Spillane.
• City inspectors continue to monitor efforts to demolish a portion of a home at the corner of North West Front and Church streets.
Dan Bond, the owner, will hire a structural engineer to assist in the project so that demolition of one half of the building does not destroy the owner-occupied other side.
The Bonds will also install a chain-link fence around the site.
"Would you ask them to clean out the debris and take that toilet off the second floor. That’s an eyesore," said Councilman Workman.
• Milford will hire an engineering firm to determine if the city-owned Washington Street bridge can be repaired or if it needs to be replaced.
City engineer Mark Mallamo said the bridge is showing signs of wear and will need an additional inspection.
The city may be able to get matching funds for the project.
• Three people spoke during the 15-minute public comment session.
• The city reviewed a new subdivision code that was initially introduced in July 28.
The discussion launched another heated debate over topsoil.
Councilman Spillane wanted a definition of topsoil included in the ordinance as well as in the specifications for contractors.
"I’d argue just the opposite," said Mr. Baird.
"We have engineers and city managers in place. We have to trust them enough," said Councilwoman Wilson.
"I am not here to put a blame. It doesn’t spell out what topsoil is in detail," said Councilman Spillane.
• Council heard a proposed law governing rental properties. Landlords would have to pay $75 per unit for a license.
If the landlord does not live in the area, he or see would require a local contact living within a 10-mile radius of the city.
• Council granted a one-year extension to developers planning a project called The Homestead located on the Fry property at Del. 14 and Canterbury Road.
The project for the 186 acres was sold to Bolis Properties in August.
Originally started in 2006, it includes 40 acres designed for commercial development.
Gwen Guerke can reached at
422-1200 or tell2gwen@aol.com.
Council takes off the gloves
Talks turn heated
as members
disagree on issues
By Gwen Guerke
Milford Chronicle
MILFORD — Council members traded barbs with one another several times at its Monday meeting, but most heatedly over whether to debate a vote taken during a Sept. 22 meeting.
At that session, council voted 4 to 3 in favor of granting a conditional-use permit for plans to build a Royal Farms convenience store at the intersection of Del. 1 and North West 10th street.
Council approval was needed for the convenience store because, according to Milford’s zoning ordinance, gas pumps require special city approval.
The favorable vote meant that developer Dennis Silicato could proceed with plans before he returns to the city for approval of a final site plan for the project.
Meanwhile, 1st Ward Councilman Michael Spillane asked Tim Willard, the city’s attorney, to research whether the vote is legal since Mr. Spillane is debating the language of the law: are gas pumps a service station?
Mr. Spillane argued that Milford’s laws forbid a service station within 500 feet of school property, but those who favor the project say the pumps are not an additional risk, citing nearby Valero and Wawa pumps.
"The root of the issue is the councilman seems to be appealing the council’s action," said David Baird, city manager.
"The approach you’re taking by trying to open debate seems you are trying to undo the decision."
Third Ward Councilman Douglas Morrow urged council to not revisit the matter.
"We took a vote. I think it’s done. He disagrees, but that’s why we vote," Councilman Morrow said.
"I have no interest in discussing it any more."
But 1st Ward Councilman John Workman addressed another issue surrounding the controversial project.
"We voted on a gas station. Their site plans had a car wash and that wasn’t in the original site plan," Councilman Workman said.
While Mr. Willard cited cases from Michigan and from New Castle County to argue that the Sept. 22 vote was valid, he asked for time to review the record before he offered an opinion on the proposed car wash.
Fourth Ward Councilman James Starling echoed Councilman Morrow’s sentiments.
"It’s time to move on. We will fix the loopholes," he said.
Third Ward Councilman Owen S. Brooks Jr. had other concerns.
"They just don’t care. Nobody cares about the kids," he said.
"I still want a light at 10th Street."
In other business:
• Council honored Milford Parks and Recreation Department director Gary L. Emory for 30 years of service to the city.
• City manager David Baird said he expects the Oct. 27 council meeting to be held in the newly refurbished Milford City Hall.
Dedication ceremonies will be held in November or early December.
Mayor Dan Marabello appointed a committee to decide how the lower level of the building will be used.
Members of the committee are Councilman Workman, Councilwoman Wilson, Councilman Spillane and Mayor Spillane.
• City inspectors continue to monitor efforts to demolish a portion of a home at the corner of North West Front and Church streets.
Dan Bond, the owner, will hire a structural engineer to assist in the project so that demolition of one half of the building does not destroy the owner-occupied other side.
The Bonds will also install a chain-link fence around the site.
"Would you ask them to clean out the debris and take that toilet off the second floor. That’s an eyesore," said Councilman Workman.
• Milford will hire an engineering firm to determine if the city-owned Washington Street bridge can be repaired or if it needs to be replaced.
City engineer Mark Mallamo said the bridge is showing signs of wear and will need an additional inspection.
The city may be able to get matching funds for the project.
• Three people spoke during the 15-minute public comment session.
• The city reviewed a new subdivision code that was initially introduced in July 28.
The discussion launched another heated debate over topsoil.
Councilman Spillane wanted a definition of topsoil included in the ordinance as well as in the specifications for contractors.
"I’d argue just the opposite," said Mr. Baird.
"We have engineers and city managers in place. We have to trust them enough," said Councilwoman Wilson.
"I am not here to put a blame. It doesn’t spell out what topsoil is in detail," said Councilman Spillane.
• Council heard a proposed law governing rental properties. Landlords would have to pay $75 per unit for a license.
If the landlord does not live in the area, he or see would require a local contact living within a 10-mile radius of the city.
• Council granted a one-year extension to developers planning a project called The Homestead located on the Fry property at Del. 14 and Canterbury Road.
The project for the 186 acres was sold to Bolis Properties in August.
Originally started in 2006, it includes 40 acres designed for commercial development.
Gwen Guerke can reached at
422-1200 or tell2gwen@aol.com.v
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