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Posted: Sun Nov 9th, 2008 05:40 am |
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| A great of info I get concerning schools comes from my kids. Remember, kids talk to other kids - they know whats going on - just sounds to me your bitter.
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Posted: Sat Nov 8th, 2008 10:32 pm |
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I think it would be quite inappropriate for any coach to share information about another kid/player/student to team, parents, community. I am sure that if your child was playing and did not have agility, missed practice for personal reasons or something personal... you might not wish to have this shared with others.
Sometimes kids and adults don't know everything going on... we, as adults must act and teach our children to act with integrity ... and not behave based on the way others behave. If 2 wrongs make a right, then we are all justifiable in making another wrong?
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Posted: Sat Nov 8th, 2008 06:50 pm |
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instead of crying about it maybe you should go volunteer your time to help make the program better. Oh thats right your the same parents that sit at the little league park bi@@ching but when asked to umpire oh no can't do that!!!!!!
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milfordian
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Posted: Sat Nov 8th, 2008 01:42 am |
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Number1 wrote: You rewarded an ineligible player by giving him Coach status? If this is correct, I can understand why other parents question your judgement. If there were some extenuating circumstances, then your are obliged to reveal those to the players, parents and community...
This coach is not "obliged" to reveal anything to you. If the case warrented it, I'm sure he reported to the district.
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Posted: Fri Nov 7th, 2008 10:02 pm |
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| You rewarded an ineligible player by giving him Coach status? If this is correct, I can understand why other parents question your judgement. If there were some extenuating circumstances, then your are obliged to reveal those to the players, parents and community...
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Posted: Fri Nov 7th, 2008 09:40 pm |
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renediaz wrote:What good is it to post blogs on a forum and not speak to people directly if there is an issue or a concern?
That's a thought.
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Posted: Fri Nov 7th, 2008 07:49 pm |
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It is disheartening to hear all the negativity surrounding our Middle School Football program. I listened to and addressed issues/concerns of any parent who spoke to me directly. These dialogs with parents I felt where very productive. I had no idea that this forum even existed until a co-worker told me about it today. What good is it to post blogs on a forum and not speak to people directly if there is an issue or a concern? We tried to do the best job possible and we put alot of time into the program. Believe me we didn't do it because of the money. Yes Middle School is about learning but sports are also about winning, that's just the way it is. In pop warner everyone is guaranteed playing time but not in the Middle School and we made this clear from day one. In Middle School we are basically preparing them for the High School team and in High School not everyone is guaranteed playing time. Yes we did have one player who was inelegible but we were unaware of this since we turned in all the players names and birth dates to the Middle School Athletic Director before the season started so that they could be cleared by DIAA. Once we found out that player was inelegible he was asked to remain part of the team as a coach and he joined the coaching staff. He did not play in any further games. There are various reasons why students didn't see significant playing time here is just a short list:
1. If your the student was under 80 pounds and never played football before (more than just winning we feared for these students safety especially since we played teams that had students that weighed to 200 pounds plus and were experienced football players)
2. If the student was a 7th grader (lack of experience)
3. If it was the student's first year of organized football (lack of experience)
4. If the student routinely missed practice or a specific part of practice.
5. If the student did not study their play book and did not know the plays
6. If the student did not use proper techniques on a consistent basis (safety concerns)
7. If the student did not want to hit or be hit in practice
I hope this cleared the air on a couple of issues. I wish more parents would have approached us with concerns directly rather than posting quesitons on this forum.
Overall working with the students was great. They were are all terrific kids in my opinion no matter who started, played or didn't play.
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Posted: Wed Nov 5th, 2008 11:40 pm |
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Wait, is this the coach who "inaccurately" wrote his son's age on the Little League
registration?
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 06:52 pm |
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| If you want guaranteed playing time - go to pop warner or little league. The older they become, from Middle School thru college, participation and playing time is based on skills and performance, much like life itself. Let your kids grow up - you can't hold their hands forever!
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 03:40 pm |
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| YES. This has all been brought up at the school to the coaches and to the directors. Alot of good it did though.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 01:59 pm |
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Out of curiosity, has any of this been brought up to the school? If so what was the answer. If not, are you epecting to get results posting in a forum?
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 12:36 pm |
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| I feel the same way and despite attempts to bring the problem to the coaches attention, it fell on deaf ears. I agree with CrueII. Coach Diaz appears to be the only one with the boys best interest. He is on the side lines with this certain group of boys trying to get them into the games. Come on now, this is middle school football, give the newbie football players a chance to play and be a part of the team. They are required to condition like the rest of the team everyday so why can't they play in the games? This is my son's first year also and many times I heard him say he wanted to quit, not because he doesn't like the sport but because of how unfairly the team is managed and how discouraging it is. I have always taught my kids that it is not whether you win or lose but how you play the game. MMS football teaches them just the opposite....you must win. Someone really needs to come out and see what goes on at these games. Some boys can play the entire game in multiple positions while others are not even allowed to be in for one single play. All the money that is spent on athletics in this district, things really need to be evaluated.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 04:34 am |
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Don't misunderstand. Our son is very frustrated with the coaching, but absolutely loves the sport. And has stuck it out all season. With the exception of being sick and missing school and practice one day, he has been there. If he was hurt, he still was there, watching and trying to pick up on the plays. He was so disgusted after the last two games of sitting out all but a few plays, he wondered why he would even return to practice....but knew he would because he is not a quitter. This boy is not a runt - he is fast on his feet, one of the bigger players, can throw a regulation size football 37 yards. (But NO ONE checked him out.) So, it is not mom whining or being a cry baby over this. It is a concerned parent wondering if ever the mind set in the community will change, or become enlightened over how things are run, and why. Talk about putting a bad taste in our mouths for the department. It goes back to my first comment.....its not how well you play the game, but who you know, what your last name is, who your father is, what can the district get out of you financially (like if you own a business that could possibly donate something to the sport) etc.
Oh, and one more point......in the beginning of the season, the coaches tried to have an ineligible player play in the games - and yes, he played in the game they won, that boy was on the team, them he was off (due to his age, he should be in 10th grade), then he was back??? Go figure - not like he got any younger, right? So, now he is gone. But if I were the coach of the losing team, I think I would protest that!
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Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 11:06 pm |
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Two Cents wrote: Crue2001 wrote: TwoCents...to answer your question about why the kids who practice and don't get to play still show up...in our case it's because our son feels strongly about being part of the team and should be there to help support his team's efforts. That's why he sticks with it and has not quit. He's a better team player than I would be in this case.
OK, so then lets let the kids either sit or play -- whichever makes them happy. His lack of playing time is evidently much more of a problem for you than it is for him. I didn't read closely enough -- I thought that I was going to be responding to Milford resident and mom, for whom I really intended my message, but I am sure it can be equally applicable to others.
It's actually a big deal to my son that he does not get to play, but he sticks with it because that's the kind of kid he is. It does not make him happy to sit out all the time.
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Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 09:06 pm |
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Crue2001 wrote: TwoCents...to answer your question about why the kids who practice and don't get to play still show up...in our case it's because our son feels strongly about being part of the team and should be there to help support his team's efforts. That's why he sticks with it and has not quit. He's a better team player than I would be in this case.
OK, so then lets let the kids either sit or play -- whichever makes them happy. His lack of playing time is evidently much more of a problem for you than it is for him. I didn't read closely enough -- I thought that I was going to be responding to Milford resident and mom, for whom I really intended my message, but I am sure it can be equally applicable to others.Last edited on Sat Oct 25th, 2008 09:08 pm by Two Cents
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Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 08:08 pm |
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| I remember my brother going through the same thing when he played for the Middoe School team. That was 15-20 years ago. It it the same coach?
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Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 07:46 pm |
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Like Milford Resident and Mom, our son is on the middle school football team. This is his first time ever playing football and he was really looking forward to this experience. He has attended nearly every practice and works really hard while he's there. And for all his effort, he's gotten to play in the scrimmage and only 1 or 2 other games for a very minimal amount of time each game. Usually, it's when the team is so far ahead that there's no loss if they don't do well...he and a handful of others that rarely get to do more than walk up & down the side of the field. I understand that the coach(es) want the team to win and want to use the kids that excel at the sport, but how can the less experienced players to the game ever get any better if they don't get to play? Very disappointing year for our son & for us. Sad statement about the coaching team at the middle school. But I will give credit to coach Diaz...he's several times spent a good portion of the game on the sidelines reminding the other coaches which kids have not had the opportunity to play.
TwoCents...to answer your question about why the kids who practice and don't get to play still show up...in our case it's because our son feels strongly about being part of the team and should be there to help support his team's efforts. That's why he sticks with it and has not quit. He's a better team player than I would be in this case.
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Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 11:20 am |
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| As long as the kids and their parents accept that treatment, nothing will change. I do not refer to discussing the matter, but taking observable action. How come the kids who practice but don't play, and their parents, continue to go to either event? If those kids who get little or no playing time refused to show up for games or practices, something would change because somebody would eventually get the message. Last edited on Sat Oct 25th, 2008 11:22 am by Two Cents
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Posted: Sat Oct 25th, 2008 04:10 am |
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| resident mom - if that's the case, I agree with you. No special favors. Kids need to learn what life is about - its tough and no one is going to hand you anything. If the kids don't show up for practice - they don't play- simple. Kids must learn what commitment is about, what dedication is about, and what teamwork is about. I've seen it also, and in the long run, the kid who had his butt kissed is the one that suffers in the long run.
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Posted: Fri Oct 24th, 2008 11:03 pm |
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To reply to the coach - I wish that all of the coaches in Milford took your approach, but in this case, the middle school football team is DEFINITELY not run this way. And there are some that say this goes well into the high school as well. I am making a general statement because there seems to be no system of checks and balances. Here is a sample - quarterback position was not open from the start, no one could even try out for it....even though they said they would have try outs for it, they never did. (Coaches son is quarterback, and also plays on defense too - so he's out there the whole game.) Half the kids miss practice all week long - all season long 20 kids show up for practice, 40 show up to play the game. If you are gonna bench kids for missing practice, you'd have to bench half the team - instead of picking a few kids. Keep your eyes in the sports section of the papers - its the same kids all the time. And I am not the only one that sees it. Plenty of parents are fed up - but we know there is nothing we can do about it, because then we have just made it that much harder for our kids. Kidsthat we love, and want to see them excel at something they enjoy. Not all parents are dropping their kids off for babysitting service. Our son wants to play sports, and he is a very good athlete. We just think everyone needs a fair shot - no special exceptions. How will anyone know what their best available talent is unless they have an open competition for those positions?
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Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 07:45 pm |
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| I bet there are alot of people out there who feel as though their last name will give them playing time and it doesn't work out that way either.
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Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 12:18 pm |
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milford resident and mom wrote: So why would parents that want to see their son or daughter play a sport, sign up to be coach? So their kid is guarenteed playing time!
General statements like this one is unfortunate. I am a coach, I have coached my daughters sport since she was 5. I coach because there was a need and I enjoy the time with my daughter. A lot of parents out there drop their kids off at practice/games and pick them up after, I have become a babysitter.
Everyone on my teams get equal playing time as much as possible, if I know one player was shorted one game it is made up the following game.
General statements like this make it sound like all coaches are in it for the glory of their child. I would guess that a majority are there to spend time quality with their child while teaching them at the same time.
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Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 11:23 am |
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Nothing stupid about it at all.
I have listened to many MHS athletes young men and women complain of the same thing, including our daughter. She played varsity woman's soccer for 2 years and made all state conference her junior year, she graduated last year.
Her personal issue wasn't just as she or we as her parents perceived it either. There were a number of parents who attended games as we did (and had children on the same team) who would comment about her not being utilized to her fullest potential, which would also benefit the team more.
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Posted: Thu Oct 23rd, 2008 10:32 am |
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| I haven't heard anything so stupid in all my life. Well at least not lately. I'm sure I could name the people you are talking about, but there is no need to. These "good ole boys" you are talking about love their kids and yours and are willing to spend their time, money, vacations,to keep athletics in Milford. If given the chance , would you do the same? My sons played football and wrestling. They were not put on the varsity teams because of our last name, but for trying hard and excelling. They earned the teams respect, I didn't. Maybe your child will become a star athlete. Don't let them hear you being a cry baby.
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Once again I am reminded that Milford is a town of good ole' boys. Our last name isn't a name you see in the sports section of our small town papers. Why would it be? We are not one of the " who's who of Milford" where our children are showcased based on the name they carry, or if their father is the coach of their team. But, does anyone realize that they are not helping their kids out for the future? Does the NFL draft by your last name? Do college and university coaches come down to Milford to hand select their future athletes based on their parents financial success, or a last name worthy of recognition? I don't think so! So why would parents that want to see their son or daughter play a sport, sign up to be coach? So their kid is guarenteed playing time! The heck with anyone earning their positions. In this town they are handed out based on anything but that! No accountability anymore, is there?
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