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Posted: Sat Dec 6th, 2008 01:51 pm |
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Football Fan wrote: This is a very emotional and frightening issue, particularly for those that have children involved.
This was a very serious matter that occurred by young men that happen to be on the football team. Your comment makes it sound like the entire program is guilty by association.
This should be a very frightening issue for everybody in the community, and especially for parents with children in the schools. This particular event is reported to have occurred off school property, but those who would wreak havoc on others like this would do it on the school property too, if that's where the opportunity presented itself. Apparently the only way to teach some people is for somebody to be made an example of -- and his parents need to feel the weight of the results.
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Posted: Sat Dec 6th, 2008 01:26 pm |
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I am sorry if you feel I was attacking anyone, I was just trying to point out that this particular topic of the forum is not the place. Start a new topic and pass along as much information as you like, that is why we still (at least for the moment) live in a free country.
This is a very emotional and frightening issue, particularly for those that have children involved.
This was a very serious matter that occurred by young men that happen to be on the football team. Your comment makes it sound like the entire program is guilty by association.
If parents don't feel the administration handled this to their liking, then take the administration to task, but the rumors that have been flying around this town attacking the coaches are wrong and unfair. The police have to conduct a full investigation and make sure they have all the facts before they can prosecute or it won't stand up in court. Conducting a trial in these kinds of forums doesn't allow for due process. I'm certain once the investigation is completed and this goes to court the guilty parties will be prosecuted. I would ask though that us as responsible adults not resort to unfairly accusing the entire football program in the process. It doesn't matter if it was field hockey, softball, baseball, whatever. Discussions should be focused on the individuals, not the fact that they happen to play on a sports team.
Just to be clear, I am not related to anyone on the football team or in the school district at all. I also have no idea nor do I want to know who the individuals are that are being investigated in this matter.
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Posted: Sat Dec 6th, 2008 12:06 pm |
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Why does everyone keep blaming the original poster about the incident for casting a dark cloud and all the other despcriptive terms. Don't shoot the messenger.
The students who are Milford HS football players involved in the incident are the ones who cast the dark cloud.
A heinous crime was committed why shouldn't parents of other students be made aware. I find it very concerning if one of the student attackers involved is related to another MHS student whose used the same MO when he beat a student last year.
These attacks are leaving people with permanent disabilities, the young man who was the victim of last years "mistaken identity" beating suffers permanent hearing loss and blurred vision in one eye.
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Posted: Sat Dec 6th, 2008 04:54 am |
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They just convicted O.J.
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Posted: Sat Dec 6th, 2008 04:00 am |
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I will start by saying that what happened was wrong, no matter who started it. I don't know any of the people involved. I have witnessed the behavior of the kids that hang out at the WaWa personally a few times and that is a place to stay away from on a Friday night after a football game. Kids in loud trucks, squealing their tires, foul mouthed, rude, etc. I am a huge Milford football fan and have no player on the team. My only point in posting this is to state the I know Coach Tkach and his coaching staff personally. If they were aware that anything like this ever occurred, no matter who or what was at stake, they would not have been at the game with the team. It is that simple.
For this post to be placed on this particular topic is sad and unfair to all the hard working players that just achieved something that has never been achieved in Milford before. You are diminishing something that has been worked towards by so many for a lot of years and to have this discussion connected with this wonderful achievement by the team is sad. You have managed to put a huge cloud over a tremendous effort by a lot of really good kids, the coaches and fans.
The parents in Milford never cease to amaze me. Maybe if all parents paid a little more attention to what their kids are doing at night this kind of stuff wouldn't happen.
I pray that the injured young men heal and have no serious issues. Let the people in law enforcement do their jobs. Sometimes the wheels of justice can be slow, but that is because they want to make sure they have all the facts. Using sites like this to spread information, fact or fiction, is not helping them do their jobs either.
The celebration ceremony was great today and I hope those of you that only attended to see if some kid was there or not were able to see how special this championship meant to a lot of people. Stop trashing the coaches. If Coach Tkach says he didn't know, then he didn't.
GO BUCS even the people from Milford that don't care, can't take the pride away from us that do care!!
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Posted: Fri Dec 5th, 2008 04:40 pm |
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Remember you are dealing with state employees.
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Posted: Fri Dec 5th, 2008 04:23 pm |
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| sounds like its not a very speedy process with all the information that has to flow between all agencies.
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Posted: Fri Dec 5th, 2008 11:23 am |
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| I asked my wife last night as she teaches and has worked with the court systems as an interperter. Notification to the school comes from the DE AG's office, if the crime is committed off campus, until that information is received schools do not take any action.
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Posted: Fri Dec 5th, 2008 12:44 am |
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| What I am saying is, based on my understanding of policy and procedures. Is that Milford could not suspend the students in question without first receiving formal notification. Unless the coach had first hand, direct knowledge of the incident (i.e. witnessed it) there isn't much he could have done. Coaches get told all kinds of things about their sudents all the time. Some true, some not. They can only act on these things after careful investigation.
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Posted: Fri Dec 5th, 2008 12:41 am |
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| thats what i read in the school policy on off campus arrests, if you are arrested for a felony either misdemeanor or criminal its and automatic suspension , i know the warrants were signed by the judge wednesday night , but they could not located them till thursday . i know one or both was put in stevenson home because they couldt post bail.
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Posted: Fri Dec 5th, 2008 12:29 am |
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| so your saying if the school new and they hadnt made a decision one way or the other they could still dress for the game , but , if the school knew then the coach would know , even though the school hadnt made a decision couldnt the coach just not play them , isnt he the one who decides who play and who doesnt , couldnt he just not play anyone for no particular reason
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Posted: Thu Dec 4th, 2008 11:33 pm |
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Waterman wrote: What could come from this is that if all this is correct Milford would have to give up the title. So keep on and watch it happen.
I believe that will all be based on when the school recieved offical notification of the incident from police. In addittion to the administrative process for suspensions that needed to happen as well.
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Posted: Thu Dec 4th, 2008 10:31 pm |
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| It is customary for both parties to receive letters, it's a "cooling off period" for all the people involved.
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Posted: Thu Dec 4th, 2008 10:19 pm |
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What could come from this is that if all this is correct Milford would have to give up the title. So keep on and watch it happen.
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Posted: Thu Dec 4th, 2008 10:16 pm |
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| to answer the question about the letters sent by the school i have personally seen 4 of them they all state the same thing , and the 2 kids that were attacked at the light , guess what they got letters too. i that a joke or what , the only reason they were involved is because the 2 oplayers beat one of them in the car . i dont know what that school is doing up there. that is crazy , they cannot go to any school functions or be on the property or they will be arrested .
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Posted: Thu Dec 4th, 2008 10:12 pm |
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| fyi : gues who the kid was who beat the boy with bat ,, the 2 kids that got arrested on thursday it was their older brother
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Posted: Thu Dec 4th, 2008 09:29 pm |
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justputtinmy2centsin wrote: And how does it work after they are arrested, is it up to the police to notify the school?
Customarily, yes it is reported to the school by the police. The school district has a liason officer who should have also been aware of the reported incident. At that time the decision is made as to what position the school is taking in regard to the matter.
FYI: There was a student beat last year with a baseball bat and the students that were charged did not get suspended, the victim ended up quitting school because they didn't feel safe attending the high school.
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Posted: Thu Dec 4th, 2008 06:35 pm |
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| They have to be notified by the arresting agency, not by hearsay, text messages, or this person telling that person.
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Posted: Thu Dec 4th, 2008 06:19 pm |
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| Were they charged as juvies or adults? And how does it work after they are arrested, is it up to the police to notify the school?
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Posted: Thu Dec 4th, 2008 05:53 pm |
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| They were charged on Thursday also, not just questioned. I know the mother of the boy that was hurt and read the statements and the arresting officers report
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| The way I read it, they were questioned last Thursday. If, and I still can't find out for sure if/when they got charged. That is when the suspension should have gone into effect. My understanding is that they got charged Monday at the earliest.
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| the whole thing stated when a person ,not a student , when to the school to pick someone up who asked for a ride,,, ther were a bunch of kids bhind the gym , and one of them called the boy giving the ride a name , he then got out of his car and ansked what they said , " they said we werent talking to you we wre talking to someone else ,,, then they all got in their cars and followed him to wawa where he was fighting with 4 of them , and more of them showed up and other kids stated fighting group for group ,, someone said that the police were coming and they all dispersed ,,, the 4 boys who followed the one boy to wawa jumped in their suv and headed south on 113 , when they got to the light , they assumed the 2 kids in hte car were at wawa which they werent , i believe that is dash in , the 2 that were eventually arrest jumped from the suv and one was punching him then the other one hit him with the pipe or weapon similar, and jumped back in the suv and took off , of course the 2 boys in the car had to go to the hospital , and the rest insued
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Posted: Thu Dec 4th, 2008 02:51 pm |
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| no i didnt ask for a pity party , and be sure that i am not angry , definately not happy , but far from angry , as someone said in a post not sure which , where is frustration for the players ,,, im not mad at the kids because they played , im upset the y were allowed to play ,, of course a kid is going to do whatever he can to play in a game , especially that one , its not their fault . but it is definatley someones fault ,, i give the information as precisley as i gather it ,, and im just telling you for a fact and i mean for a fact that is the farthest thing from the real story that , that is why i wanted put the truth out so something like was reported to you would not happen . i respect your opinion and enjoy reading all that have posted , i wouldnt post what wasnt true you can bet on that. im tryimg to inform and let people know what happened and to get other opinions on the subject.
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| i ve never blogged before really wasnt sure how to get started , i just cliked on one that was already here and i new people would read. im definatley not displeased that milford won , im just not happy with the events that have unfolded .
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Posted: Thu Dec 4th, 2008 02:34 pm |
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This will be my last post on this, you obviously are here just to start some kind of arguement, I'm no longer going to feed into your anger. I didn't ask for a pity party, you did. I was trying to contribute to the conversation with the information I had, you obviously have a personal stake in this, OK, whatever, I don't.
GO BUCS!!
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| i m not sure the asst. principal told 3 parents involved that the coach called him and told him on saturday. which isnt much help because it happened on wednesday, and they were not arrested till thursday after practice because they were both at practice. and this came from other players that let other people know they were there and the text messages were flying wondering why they had not been picked up yet. by the time the kid was taken to the hospital at least 50 people knew and that was within 30 minutes of it happening , have you ever seen how many kids hang out in the wawa parking lot. what i like about all my kids going to school here is that you know they dont just have 4 or 5 friends ,, they have 40 or 50 friends which brings the parents close to more of their friends which tends to get you more involved . because they all play different sports so you go watch sports that maybe you kids do actually compete in because they are always around and you want to support them
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| well your source is feeding you misinformation , they were totally the aggressors , they commit the crime and you want a pity party , last i checked you dont get arrested for self defense and how do explain the nooooobody else was arrested. so out of everbody involved the only people that were arrested were the 2 that were defending themselves . thats totally amazing. Last edited on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 02:18 pm by Jlaw338
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Posted: Thu Dec 4th, 2008 01:38 pm |
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As I stated below, I was not there so I do not know the whole story but the info I got comes from a very good source. As I also said below, there are going to be 2 sides to this story. The story I got was that the players were acting in self defense, the other people involved, including the one who got hurt, had been instgating these boys for a while, it came to a head that night at Wawa.
I do not think I have taken a side as you have, I have just posted what I know based on good information. I have no stake in this, why would I take a side?
As Bluesman said, even if the coach heard about it through some other sources, he waits until the district is formally notified, he then would take due action.
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AptDweller,
Trying to stay nuetral, I think JLaw is merely pointing out that players who apparently were ineligible to play in the game were allowed to do so.
JLaw,
When was the high school notified by the police that the students had been charged, and arrested with the crime?
Until the school is notified formally of any incidents that occur off school property involving students, the school policies do not get implemented.
There is nothing in today's Milford Chronicle about the incident 
Where is the frustration at the boys involved, what in the hell were these boys thinking ?????? They are the ones who have brought the team under scrutiny.
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Jlaw338, if you wanted to discuss this incident, why did you choose to crap on this thread that's about congratulating the Milford High TEAM for winning the Championship. There are just two player/students in this thing you brought up, not the whole TEAM!
Why didnt you start a new topic about this incident instead of crapping on this one?
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| sounds like you may be a little parcial to a side Last edited on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 02:43 am by Jlaw338
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| you wanted to know , apparently not what you heard ?
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Posted: Thu Dec 4th, 2008 02:28 am |
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| Sounds like a second side to the story, since I wasn't there, I won't make assumptions or accusations. As a wise mas used to say, "we shall see what we shall see"
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| i am close to the matter , i would give their names but i dont want risk giving names of minors , i dont want get in any trouble because they are minors , but go to the little celebration on friday an see which 2 players arent there , there are going to be alot of people going just to see if the school lets them come , because once you are suspened you are not allowed on school property ,, i m not parcial to any side ,, its all ethics to me ,, and the school is not handling it in away that is fair to all involved. they are definately trying to keep it on the down low. one of the kids who got the letter was the victim who was hit with a pipe ,, he was in very bad shape he had to go to philly to the eye center that night rushed up there because thre was so much pressure in his eye they were afraid it was going to blow the socket and ontop of that he has three fractures around his socket ,,, they were sitting at the light at ,dash in the 2 assailants jumped out of there car thinking they were other kids they were in a tiff with earlier and started hitting him while he was in the car and the other one hit him int the eye with a pipe or an object like a that , so why do they have every right to play in the game ,, these kids were sitting at a stop light in their car. Last edited on Thu Dec 4th, 2008 03:11 pm by Jlaw338
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Jlaw338 wrote: they are suspended now , the school is sending out letters to all involved that are not currently in school , that they are not allowed on school property .. this is the real story
OK, you know the real story. Explain who the people are who are not currently in school and why are they getting letters that they are not allowed on school property. You know the whole story, go ahead explain that.
I think you do know the story but you are partial to one side, you said earlier that it's not fair to the "victim" who almost lost an eye. Would you care to explain what happened, why did this person get "assulted". I believe assult and self defense are different.
This is the only thread you have "contributed" to, you obviously have some sort of connection to the event. Let's hear it, was you son involved? Did he get one of those letters?
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| they are suspended now , the school is sending out letters to all involved that are not currently in school , that they are not allowed on school property .. this is the real story
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| And I figured as much...
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| I just got the real story about what happened. I won't go into it, it's not really my business, but there's a lot more to this story then what has been posted here. The boys had every right to play in the game.
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| I looked everywhere online as well and couldn't find anything either.
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| i guess they will figure it out.. Last edited on Wed Dec 3rd, 2008 02:50 am by Jlaw338
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i checked out boc 16 and can't find any info on this story..
well, we have our local papers to give us an update by friday
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Jlaw338 wrote: according to school policy any student arrested for misdemeanor felony or criminal felony charges it is an automatic suspension , even if then event was off campus , the claimed to not have known of there arrest till saturday , its not fair to the victim who almost lost an eye over it and they got to practice on thursday and play on friday, how is that teaching kids anything about how to carry themselves and be responsible for their actions
Well, I would have to say, beings there was no publicity on this matter, including non by the arresting agency, it is quite possible the school had no knowledge of it. Can you show proof where the school, or the coaches were notified?
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Posted: Tue Dec 2nd, 2008 12:36 pm |
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| according to school policy any student arrested for misdemeanor felony or criminal felony charges it is an automatic suspension , even if then event was off campus , the claimed to not have known of there arrest till saturday , its not fair to the victim who almost lost an eye over it and they got to practice on thursday and play on friday, how is that teaching kids anything about how to carry themselves and be responsible for their actions
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| Arrested does not mean guilty. The last I knew as US citizens we are afforded the assumption of innocence until the guilt for the crime is proven in a court of law.
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First I heard of this. Care to show some proof?
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| no im actually from milford , but its nice to see the athletics department supports arrested felons , and now are boohooing because many parents are asking why did they get to play ... not much ethics in the coaching staff
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| Are you from Smyrna? Did you get beat by little ol' Milfert?
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| How about how the milford football coach let two of his players who were arrested for assault with a dangerous weapon play in the game on friday when they were arrested after practice on thursday. tkach claims to not have known of their arrest till saturday ,, how convienient,,, i think this should be investigated ,,,
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Posted: Sun Nov 30th, 2008 03:26 pm |
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| Congratulations to the Bucs! Thanks boys for bringing home a State Championship and thanks to the coaching staff for their dedication, the hours involved, and to their families for allowing these men to follow their "dreams" as well! Job Well Done!
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Posted: Sat Nov 29th, 2008 11:16 pm |
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WTG Buccaneers!
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