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From Webster's Online
African American:
1. Refers to Black individuals living in the United States with African ancestry. 2. Refers to individuals of African heritage living in the United States having similar experiences, culture heritage and ancestry of former slaves.
Before you start complaining about things being inaccurate, you should probably make sure your own posts are correct.
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Waterman wrote: Well the articles explanation of the chain of events that happened clearly lets the adults off the hook, which is all they were looking for. But it does not let the boys off. It shows what kind of men they are going to be. What a let down. But there is time to change there lives. After the court gets done with them. They have a real choice to make. Honer or the dark side. I hope they chose wisely.
Waterman,
Unfortunately the court system will only give them a slap on the wrist, after months of keeping it tied up before the judge even hears the case. The victims get so frustrated because of all the stalling they probably won't even testify. That's what happened with the last MHS student who was beat a year ago.
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Just Me wrote: Careful Bud, your sheet is showing!
Sorry - I just can't tolerate much more of these stupid racial inaccuracies.Last edited on Wed Dec 17th, 2008 02:48 am by Bud Of KTC
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| Careful Bud, your sheet is showing!
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Posted: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 01:49 am |
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renediaz wrote: a group of African American students and a group of Caucasian students. From my understanding the passenger that was assaulted was part of the group of Caucasian students that had the previous altercation in the parking lot of Wawa with the African American students. In addition, why were the only two names released in the article the names of the two Milford High School football players (both minor)who happen to be African American?
Were these kids born in Africa? If they were, and then later became Americans, then they are truly African-Americans. If they were born in America, they are Americans, period. If you want to get racial, then label them as Black Americans. That's what they are, unless they were born in Africa, and later gained citizenship in America.
While I'm on this subject, how about the improper motto for the United Negro College Fund? "A mind is a terrible thing to waste". Isn't that stupid? It should be "It's a terrible thing to waste a mind". "A mind" is never "a terrible thing".
And this is what's gonna take the reigns of the country Jan 20.
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Jlaw338
you posted to antagonize and incite... just as those boys intended to antagonize and incite. Your comments were not well researched. You had pure disregard for due process of the law or steps of legal procedure within business hours but plenty of banter of what you demanded should be ... It is MORE than obvious you are attached to the situation with blinders on. This type of behavior will only continue that neither party assumes responsibility for their role in this situation. I have no doubt you intended to stir a crowd to displace blame. I believe readers of this post see that as well.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12th, 2008 05:09 am |
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Well the articles explanation of the chain of events that happened clearly lets the adults off the hook, which is all they were looking for. But it does not let the boys off. It shows what kind of men they are going to be. What a let down. But there is time to change there lives. After the court gets done with them. They have a real choice to make. Honer or the dark side. I hope they chose wisely.
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Posted: Thu Dec 11th, 2008 06:57 pm |
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| Today's Milford Chronicle front page.
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| Where is the article?
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The names of the 2 minors that were arrested and charged with a violent crime, has nothing to do with them being African American.
Are you implying that there were others who were arrested as well ?
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| This comment is in response to a recent article I read about the two students who were members of the Milford High School football team that assaulted a passenger in a car on route 113. While the situation is certainly unfortunate it is apparent that some important details were left out of the article. A person unfamiliar with the incident might be led to believe by reading this article that the two Milford High School football players randomly drove up to another car at a red light and proceeded to assault one of the passengers. This is not what happened. The assault was a culmination of events that had transpired in at least two different locations immediately prior to the incident on route 113. Racial tensions escalated between two groups of students, a group of African American students and a group of Caucasian students. From my understanding the passenger that was assaulted was part of the group of Caucasian students that had the previous altercation in the parking lot of Wawa with the African American students. In addition, why were the only two names released in the article the names of the two Milford High School football players (both minor)who happen to be African American? Once again I am by no means condoning assault amd what happened was terrible and unnaceptable. But I just want to know the truth. If you are going to print a story there must be greater responsibility in painting a more accurate picture of the events that occurred. Many people in Milford depend on its local newspapers for information and skewed reporting is doing a disservice to community.
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| Well now you know his name and he is employed by the City of Milford PD. He's a very easy guy to speak to and I would suggest you address any concerns you have directly with him. BTW you are correct he isn't at the HS all the time, he in fact covers all the schools in the Milford district.
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| i asked my kids did they know who he worked for the state or miford and they didnt know , i ve never had to deal with him , so that is why i asked , i knew they had someone in he school but the kids told me he s not there all he time. and i agree with this subject has really taken off the topic at had. Last edited on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 02:12 pm by Jlaw338
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jlaw,
I have to agree with everyone start a new topic about this. As the spouse of a teacher and a substitute myself I tried to explain to you how the system works.
You claim you have students in the school and you don't even know the police officer that is in the schools is a fulltime Milford Police Department officer ?
The Community Policing Division consists of a School Resource Officer whom is certified by the National Association of School Resource Officers (http://www.nasro.org) currently, the School Resouce Officer is a certified instructor with NASRO, and assists with the teaching of school resource courses throughout the east coast. The School Resource Officer is assigned to the Milford School District and acts as a peer to students and an advisor on crime and criminal matters to the staff and administration of the school district. The officer is responsible for investigating all crimes which occur within schools.
David W. Taulbee
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400 NE Front Street
Milford, DE 19963
Office: 302-422-8081
Fax: 302-424-2330
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| We are all waiting.
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Posted: Tue Dec 9th, 2008 04:47 am |
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| Post the warrent then
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| another thing the letters i have are not even adressed to a minor and after his dad told me i looked up the warrant and found it online through a delaware warrant search took all but 30 secs.
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| well smart guy i wasnt going to leave their names visible i was going to block that information out and just post the information , obviously.
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Jlaw338 wrote: i havent posted any names or plan to mr smart guy ,, and i wasnt particularly asking you personally but sinced you so concerned i think i ll do it just for you
Hey Brain surgeon, u just threatend to do that. For the second time. U won't be doing it for me, U will be doing it for the lawyers of the families about to sue you or your family. If you disclose the names of the people involved you will be subject to legal action.Last edited on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 04:25 am by justputtinmy2centsin
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| i havent posted any names or plan to mr smart guy ,, and i wasnt particularly asking you personally but sinced you so concerned i think i ll do it just for you
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Jlaw338 wrote: i stated the other day about the school sending out letters to some of the kids asking the m to not be on school property , which are dated for the 1 st of dec . well the school signed warrants for them on the 4 th dec. if anybody wants me to post them my buddy left them for me .
Nobody wants you to post anything that doesn't have something to do with the Milford Bucs wining the state championship. If you want to grind an axe, do it somewhere else. Ur initial post questioned how some players were allowed to play in the championship game. That has been answerd. If you want to toss accusations and such around pleas post it somwhere else.
Know this, since you know the people involved are minors, if you post their name/names, or are party to it. You can be held responsible for civil damages.
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| i stated the other day about the school sending out letters to some of the kids asking the m to not be on school property , which are dated for the 1 st of dec . well the school signed warrants for them on the 4 th dec. if anybody wants me to post them my buddy left them for me . Last edited on Tue Dec 9th, 2008 02:01 am by Jlaw338
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| yeah , they are definatley minors i have kids in school who know them.
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Bluesman wrote: As far as the coach or the school discussing any of the incident it's highly unlikely if the students are minors.
Now that I think about that I agree they could not discuss the incident. But I would think they could discuss the policies involved.
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The school officer is a full time Milford Police officer. He works shifts just like evey other officer. One of his duties is to be between all the schools in the Milford School District not just the High School. I have spoken to him before and he knows his stuff he's no slouch.
As far as the coach or the school discussing any of the incident it's highly unlikely if the students are minors.
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Jlaw338 wrote: you would think since the incident happened wednesday night that if he just police s the schools that he would be contacted since his duty s are only the schools . its not like he s working shift work or anything. the schools do get alot of time off .
I think we come back to the same discussion point, about the process that needed to occur in the Milford school district before the student was suspended. If the school liason officer, got called in on overtime each time an incident occured they would probably make more money then most people I know. Teachers, police and other proffessions salary are based upon what the market will bear. Yes, schools do get alot of time off, this has been going since I was a child. I think it is one of the things that draws qualified teachers to the proffession.
I agree, that you have some valid concerns about the way the whole process unfolded. You probably need to contact the school and the police to find out what could have been done differently. Not liking a process is one thing, but accusing people of trying to circumvent it is another. I have no problem with people questioning the process, it's what we all should do. If more people did it, I think society as a whole would be in better shape.
I am very familar with the coaching staff, I know what they expect of their players. Someone stated in a previous post, that you should get in touch with coach Tkach, I think this is a good idea. I am sure he would be more then willing to meet with you and discuss the matter. I am sure that Principal Kohel would meet with you as well. Pick up the phone and give them a call.
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| you would think since the incident happened wednesday night that if he just police s the schools that he would be contacted since his duty s are only the schools . its not like he s working shift work or anything. the schools do get alot of time off .
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Waterman wrote: The kids do learn from home and reaffirmed in school.
The school cop was asleep at the wheel.
The fact that the Thursday in question was Thanksgiving day is all you need to know about why there was no school cop around. The school was closed, these officers are typically off when schools are closed or assigned to other duties. Now lets hear how all cops are lazy and should be working 24/7 for 6 dollars an hour and loving it.
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| when you say wheel do you mean donut
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The kids do learn from home and reaffirmed in school.
The school cop was asleep at the wheel.
I know a Dover cop that was assigned to a school. He had to do what we are talking about. Stop a kid from playing because of an arrest. It was a Friday and the game was on a Saturday. He said everybody begged him to let the kid play, there were a lot of tears but he did his job.
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| Waterman, perhaps they should transport the football team in Dept. of Corrections buses next year - what ya think? As for the foul mouthed bullies, haven't they been around forever? Bottom line in throwing around the "N" and using other slurs is old, very old. I think kids today get along better with one another than in any time past - its' the crap they hear at home that gets them in trouble. When it comes to criminal cases - due process is important. Look how false accusations ruined those Duke lacrosse players and families lives. Remember, there was a police report filed in that case too!
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| and does anyone know what the cop at the school does , is he an employee of the state police or the milford police ? isnt his job to police the kids ? and wouldnt he be contacted if a member of the school gets in trouble ?
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the school cant do anything till they get a letter from the ag office , because they are minors and its the responsibility of the school police to get it , and from what i heard they got it on monday because the baoys were not in school tuesday but they are only out for five days , i wasalso told that sometimes it takes the state up to 30 days to get that letter to the school , but at SC if you are arrested the police contact the school and if you are on a team you dont play because the coach can play or not play you for any reason ,,, that was told to me by an SC teacher ,, even though they still will be in school and be on the team if the arrest meets the criteria of felony misdemeanor or criminal. i dont know what relationship the school here has with the police.
FYI' i know a kid who was arrest about 2 weeks ago for possesion and he just got suspended the school just got his letter or form from the ag, so just from that it seems that the breakdown is the state to school coms.
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| i was just trying to say ," when you are on a team your action directly affects the team" , their actions affect the team , which has become obvious , but im not intentionally trying to do that society percives that , i definatley dont fault all the rest of the players the football team amd to be honest i dont think that is happening .
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It appears the parents of the thugs always say how good there kids are and that there are a lot of good kids in Milford. Well fowl mouthed bullies have no part on teams. The coaches know who they are. But they choose to over look they for the sake of winning at the cost the quiet kids on the team, unless the they are all that way. So when punishment is due the the whole team should pay.
Brandywine you wrote: "They were charged on Thursday also, not just questioned. I know the mother of the boy that was hurt and read the statements and the arresting officers report.
Why didn't that parent push the issue with the police and the school.
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It would make you wonder, but I know Mike Tkach and I know that if he knew, they would have immediately been removed from the team. He takes responsibility and being accountable for your actions very seriously as do all the coaching staff. I am sure he has been very upset about people challenging his integrity and maybe that would explain the comment that was passed along to you. But again, unless you heard it directly, that is not fact either.
I have enjoyed sharing my thoughts with you and learning yours.
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| here is a definition of redneck i found
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In modern usage, redneck predominantly refers to a particular stereotype of whites from the Southern United States. The word can be used either as a pejorative or as a matter of pride, depending on context.
The redneck stereotype:
The term redneck is seen by some people to be both racist and classist, as it is was originally used to describe a person of pale skin that has been sunburned doing outdoor work or field work, and disproportionately applies to the poor. Today, a redneck is a stereotypical southern United States socially conservative, fiscally liberal, rural, working class white person with northern European ancestry.
The popular etymology says that the term derives from such individuals having a red neck caused by working outdoors in the sunlight over the course of their lifetime. The effect of decades of direct sunlight on the exposed skin of the back of the neck not only reddens fair skin, but renders it leathery and tough, and typically very wrinkled by late middle age. Another popular theory stems from the use of red bandanas tied around the neck to signify union affiliation during the violent clashes between United Mine Workers and owners between 1910 and 1920.
Some historians claim that the term redneck originated in 17th century Virginia, when indentured servants were sunburnt while tending plantation crops.
A redneck is usually typified in popular culture by a straight male with a beer belly that consumes cheap American beer such as Busch or Miller by the case (Pabst Blue Ribbon in more traditional settings) as well as Jack Daniel's. They are generally distrustful or dislike anyone not like them or the government. The stereotypical redneck lives in a trailer, and drives an old, large, beat-up pickup truck with a gun rack in the rear window. He generally wears a stained, sleeveless t-shirt, blue jeans, and a trucker hat.
Their hair is generally worn in the mullet style, and they favor long sideburns. Personal hygiene is a lost concept with the stereotypical redneck, and what teeth they have left generally show the complete anthology of the stages of dental caries. Their favorite activities include hunting, shooting at road signs and lights, professional wrestling, NASCAR, monster truck rallies, car engine repair, collecting junked cars and large appliances on their lawns, having way too many children and dogs, participating in domestic disturbances, and waiting around for their welfare checks. Country and Southern Rock bands such as Lynyrd Skynyrd figure in as their preferred genre of music.
Stereotypical redneck females have similar characteristics and interests on a feminine scale. They are most often seen barefoot, pregnant and wear Daisy Duke shorts with stiletto heels.
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I believe at this point, from what I have been able to find out, these individuals are no longer a member of any team. So obviously the reports have been made to the appropriate authorities in the district.
The comment about the coaching staff's ethics is way off base. Unless you know them, you should not offer statements like that. I do know all of them and you won't find a more caring, honest group of coaches anywhere. These are good family men who take responsibility for trying to guide these young men to do the right things with their lives, but as I said - they aren't the parents. Parents need to held accountable. My husband and I always tried to make sure our children understood the consequences of the choices they made in life.
I am no trying to argue with anyone on here, just trying to point out that you can't hold the entire community responsible for the actions of a few. The parents are upset and rightfully so, but to attack the good ones along with the bad ones is no fair in my opinion.
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| its 50/50 with me maybe he didnt know , i really cant convince myself either way , i think because of the severity of the wound inflicted and the amount of people who knew within 20 minutes of it happening makes me wonder . with them being at practice on thursday with all the players that knew , makes me not rule it out .
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| So if one of the members of any sports team did something like this, the entire team should be held responsible? I am sorry, but I don't agree. From what I have read here this did not occur during anything associated with the practice/game/team, etc. This sheds a negative light on all of Milford, not just the athletes. Too bad too, because Milford has some really good kids.
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| It seems as though there is alot of assumptions of guilt out there. I've heard that all of this started with racial slurs at a basketball game. Maybe parents should have discussions with their children stating that "words" do mean something. Then, again, kids typically repeat the same kind of remarks they hear at home - so for any redneck parents out there - please watch what you say. This doesn't dismiss the seriousness of this incident, but if common sense and respect for other human beings when it comes to their race was used at the onset, this probally wouldn't have occurred.
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Posted: Sat Dec 6th, 2008 03:29 pm |
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| i realize that they play on a team , and when everything is great everybody uses the word TEAM , but now you have a couple of bad apples ,, andnow you want to separate the players from the TEAM , when you are on a team your actions directly affect the team , the 2 players involved are the ones who put the team in a jeopardy.
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Posted: Sat Dec 6th, 2008 03:25 pm |
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As I stated before, Coach Tkach said he didn't know about and I believe him. In the past I have seen him bench star players during huge games because they did something minor. There is no doubt in my mind that if he had been aware of this, those players would not have been at the game.
These coaches all have families of their owns and put in long hours between teaching and coaching. They go home at night and try to spend quality time with their families. It is possible they didn't know.
I know that my saying this to you is not going to change your mind, however, maybe you should make an appointment and talk to Coach Tkach instead of all of the accusations and calls for investigations. The few dealings I have had with him over the years, I have always found him to be very approachable and very forthright and honest.
I have watched and listened to this coaching staff preach responsibility, good decisionmaking, taken players under their wings to try to keep them on the path towards being good, productive citizens. The coaches are not, however, the parents. The responsibility lies in their homes. As I stated before there are too many parents that don't have a clue what their children do and quite frankly I've come to the decision they don't care either. That kind of indifference is what leads to these horrible things happening.
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Posted: Sat Dec 6th, 2008 03:11 pm |
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maybe the football should take some lessonns from coach parsley , parsley runs a much tighter ship on the wrestling squad, i dont have a son that wrestles but i do go to all the home matches and any away matches i can make , so the players notice you come and watch and if you talk to any of them they will tell he does not play , he finds out anything you sit he makes those boys take resposibilty for their actions and really for things that most people would say "what " no he not going to bench him for that . i dont know the football coach i know he does some tape work for the wrestling squad , but i couldnt point him out in a crowd , but i do know from a comment that he made to another coach infront of a student about a parent who was calling the school and that had sent him an email that he was pretty snotty in his reply to it , i really dont think much of him for that. maybe he should pay alittle more attention to what his players are into and not try to be theirr friends and be an adult and find the fault in his 2 players
FYI: the boy who was whacked in the eye , he graduated from milford last year ,, you would think that the school might try to call and see how he is doing , how about the coach maybehe could call ,, you think he's going to do that ? thats when you see how much character a person has ,, he seems to be more worried about an investigation that may take his title away .
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Posted: Sat Dec 6th, 2008 02:19 pm |
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How about a thread be started with a header that starts.
Division 2 State Champion-Milford Buccaneers clouded by criminals and thugs.
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Posted: Sat Dec 6th, 2008 01:55 pm |
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I think that is what my first sentence that you inserted said. Not trying diminish the serverity of this at all. Just asking that it be separated from that fact that these two individuals happen to play on a sports team.
Last edited on Sat Dec 6th, 2008 02:04 pm by Football Fan
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