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 Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 06:58 am
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Whether you are going to school or relocating for a work related reasons, a first time move can create mixed emotions of excitement and anxiety. On the one hand, embarking on something new is always intriguing, on the other, the actual move itself can appear daunting, especially if you are doing it yourself.
Even those who have the money to hire movers may not be exempt from worry, as they have to ensure that breakables will be safe in the hands of laborers with no emotional attachment to these items.
Whatever your plans, getting all the components together in an orderly, stress free manner is extremely difficult. Even so, with the right mindset, it can go fairly smoothly, all one needs to do is to make a plan that will get you organized and packed up in no time.
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Don't wait till the last minute - start at least 5- 6 weeks earlier by accumulating boxes and packing small knick knacks and things that are seldom used on a daily basis, like antiques, paintings and general memorabilia.

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Locate used moving boxes - one good way to save money is to locate used moving boxes. You can also go to grocery and retail stores to see if they have any unused boxes that you can take home with you.

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Make an inventory of your household items -- keeping a running check list of what has gone into which boxes is another way to lessen your headaches once you get to your new home.

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Mark boxes plainly - even with the inventory list it is best to place labels on your boxes so you have an idea of where the boxes go and if needful, what is in the box itself?

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Involve the family - small kids may not be bale to participate as much, but older children can help by packing up their own rooms or keeping younger kids occupied as you get everything together.

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 Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 03:12 am
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To the two crazy broads - just curious.  Where are you planning to move the home?  Will it be open to the public....since you are asking for public donations to save the home?  Are you planning to rent it out?  Just curious to see if you have thought this plan completely out?

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 Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 02:57 am
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Perhaps the Church in all its grandure should donate the house to a deserving family and assist them with the moving costs?  Or perhaps assist the family in getting a loan through the DSHA?  Personally, I would LOVE to have that house.  I have property just on the outskirts of town, but with 4 kids a mortgage and student loans I just can't afford to do it.  Even with family who owns moving equipment....the cost of having the power companies move wires and paying the police department to direct trafic for the time needed to move the property and streets to be shut down - etc. - it's beyond my reach as well as anyone else's unless you a SEVERELY set or secure...in this economy I can't believe AUMC ACTUALLY expected anyone to be able to move the home.  I've dreampt of owning that home for well - over a year now since I heard of AUMC's intentions of getting rid of it and honestly way before that for the matter.  I grew up in Milford - I know the home well.  I pass the house everyday on my way to work.  It's such a shame that some other situation couldn't be worked out before the May 1 deadline.  I grew up in an old home - there's much to be said about the charm of a house like that....it's not just a HOUSE....as many here have mentioned it to be.....no it's a place to raise a family to spend time and enjoy many fond memories....it's a HOME.  I just pray that someone can save it.  I secretly (or not so secretly now) wish that person was me.  I can picture many many a Christmases around the fireplace in that home and Thanksgiving diners in the dining room.  I can just imagine all of the good times that must have been spent there in the past. 

Well I've said my piece.  May God be with those who are trying to save the home.

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 Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 11:24 am
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Everyone who is interested in the historic districts and the preservation of the historical heritage of Milford should support the establishment of historic preservation zoning.
 
Downtown Milford Inc. was asked by Gary Norris, Milford’s City Planner, to draft this ordinance.  There is a draft available for review.  The final draft of the proposed ordinance will be sent to all property owners directly impacted by the ordinance.  Then, they will have a public forum for discussion of the ordinance.  The final draft of the ordinance should be presented to Milford City Council before the end of the year.
 
You suggest signing a petition to show support.  Contact Downtown Milford Inc., at dmi@downtownmilford.org and volunteer to get a petition circulating.   You could suggest a petition at the Bug & Bud Festival. 
 
Ask for a copy of the draft of the ordinance, attend the hearings, show support for the adoption of the ordinance and, above all, become involved in preserving Milford’s historic resources.

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 Posted: Fri Mar 27th, 2009 02:30 am
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Sydenham,
I am eager to hear more about DMI's Historic Preservation Ordinance. I would like to support such an effort and perhaps a petition could be presented to the City Council of Milford so they know the citizens want their historic properties and districts preserved. Where do I sign?

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 Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 02:16 pm
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I am well aware of the services to the community given by Avenue United Methodist Church.  I have many family members who are members of that church.

I am also well aware of the long planning of their expansion.  Originally, the new structure was to be on the corner and now it is to be behind their Fellowship Hall and the Century Club.  Using that parking lot does create a parking problem and the need for additional parking.  Therefore, the corner at North Church Street and Northwest Front Street is empty and the parking lot was shifted there in the plans.

They asked for donations to acquire the property under different plans.  Now, they want to tear it down for the empty lot.  They are doing urban renewal and causing an adverse effect on the landscape of the North Milford National Register Historic District.  It may just be one less home, but one by one they all come falling down.

I stated that this is not the first old landmark that has been destroyed by Avenue United Methodist Church.  To start the list you can include fact that the 1939 stone church replaced the late nineteenth century brick church.  However, the empty lot on the corner was not always empty.  There were homes there.  There were homes on Church Street.  All have been demolished.  One property could be classed as historic - not just old.  Go walk along the sidewalk of Northwest Front Street.  You will find a marble marker - really a tombstone to the memory of what was once a part of the historic district.  One property was offered for free, but, of course, you had to move it.  The small home was brick and probably not structurally sound enough and impossible to move, since it was old eighteenth century brick.  The historical society was offered the property, but without funding it was impractical, if not impossible to move.  That was the first instance of washing the guilt away by offering it to be moved and not having any takers.

There was an old home next to the Hall-Watson House that was acquired by the church and was torn down without much notice.  This was when they were still planning to use the Hall-Watson House for office and meeting space.  Their opinion was that the building was too far gone.  I stated that was said about Tharp-Jewell and the reply was, "That is your opinion."  The destruction of a property in the historic district was not open to discussion.  It was private property and there were no controls by the City of Milford. 

The home was torn down.  It was a rather old one, as the floor joists in one part were logs with bark still on them.  It could have been restored, but that takes support by the City of Milford and it takes a ton of cash.  If there is protection, you would find the values of the properties increase and people would be willing to spend the large sums of cash needed to restore an old home.

Look at the other properties in the path of Avenue United Methodist Church.  Located next to the back driveway on Northwest Front Street is the Isaiah James House.  Next to that landmark is another late eighteenth century frame house.  Both of those properties are at risk.

I stand by the comment of their own brand of urban renewal.

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 Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 01:24 pm
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Very well written piece, thanks. I too get annoyed when people criticize without doing their part to make the situation better.

 I do have to put in my 2 cents about Avenue Methodist Church. Before you criticize the Church, sit down with the Pastors, I am sure they would be happy to accomodate, and let them go through what the Church does for the community. Avenue Church is open every day of the week for everything from AA meetings to Boy Scouts they serve this communtity well. Due to growth, the Church needs to expand they have put much thought into the expansion, this wasn't an overnight decision.

You say it's "their own brand of urban renewal" it's a shame you feel this way, I'm sure you have no idea how much this Church does for the community. Go to their web site, http://www.avenueumc.com for just a touch of what they do.

My feeling is that the Church does more for the community then a house. Sure it's a shame to lose the house, but this time it really is for a greater good. There are more old houses that can be saved that no one seems too concerned with.

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 Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 12:49 pm
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The Milford Historical Society is constantly the brunt of critical comments regarding historic preservation in Milford.  Anytime someone wants to save a building, it is the fault of the historical society for not saving it.  However, it takes volunteer labor and money.  Do those who criticize even know of the work of the Milford Historical Society and what they have accomplished?  Do those who criticize want to volunteer their hours of free time and do they especially want to donate money?  The work of historic preservation takes not only time, but lots of money.
 
The Milford Historical Society is certainly not able to buy all of the properties in the historic districts and restore them to their original appearance.   These properties are private property and the private owners can do with those properties what they wish.  There are no controls or reviews of alteration or demolition of properties within the historic districts at the present time.  The Milford Historical Society is a non-profit corporation dedicated to research and preservation of Milford history, as well as the care and maintenance of the Parson Thorne Mansion.  However, the society certainly doesn’t have the power that some readers think.  The society cannot control what private owners do to their properties.   It is the role of the City of Milford to provide protection within the historic districts.
 
The few members of the Milford Historical Society, who volunteer their labor, work hard to preserve not only the Parson Thorne Mansion, but other properties.  The historic Governor Tharp House with the attached Jewell’s Store was saved by the efforts of the Milford Historical Society.  It could be a parking lot, but is now restored and a vital part of the historic district.
 
How did this property get saved?  It was private property and could have been sold to the highest bidder for whatever purpose.  Please remember that the City of Milford has never had any zoning protection for the historic properties.  However, the owner donated the property to the Milford Historical Society and the Board of Trustees worked to place the property in hands of those who would restore it.  That project to save an historic property took hours of labor and money.  Does the society get any credit for their efforts? 
 
That property is located in one of the three National Register Historic Districts in Milford.  The research for the multiple resource nomination for the historic districts was the result of hours and hours of volunteer labor by – can you guess? – the Milford Historical Society.  Do they get any credit?
 
The Hall-Watson House is an important feature within the North Milford National Register Historic District.  Its architecture is unique and represents an important time in Milford’s history.  The use of “historic” is thrown around casually, but just being old does not make a structure historic.  The property was not listed individually on the National Register, but only as a contributing element of the National Register District.
 
The present situation regarding the Hall-Watson House is the result of lack of protection of properties by the City of Milford within the three historic districts.  The city has always had a deaf ear to the needs of historic preservation.  Currently, Downtown Milford is working on a draft of a MILFORD HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE to present to the City Council.  Please understand that the Milford Historical Society first presented the idea many years ago and it was rejected by the City of Milford.  One official said that Milford was not Williamsburg, but it will not even be old Milford, if we continue to destroy the old homes.  Please volunteer to protest the City of Milford’s lack of an ordinance WITH TEETH to protect the structures in the historic districts.
 
The City of Milford does have a Commission on Landmarks and Museums.  They operate the museum in the old post office building and years ago designated a few properties as City of Milford Historic Landmarks.  That is the extent of their efforts to save and protect properties within the historic districts.   They are the organization best suited to be the protector of the historic district properties.  They are actually a commission of the City of Milford.  Please write to that commission in care of the chairman, David W. Kenton, and protest their lack of concern.
 

Milford Commission of Landmarks and Museums

121 South Walnut Street,

Milford, DE 19963

302-424-1080

 
Avenue United Methodist Church bought the property in a transaction between two private parties.  The congregation and the public were told it would be used for meeting space and other church needs.  However, the need of the empty lot is now more important than the home.  Yes, they can say it can be given to someone to move; however, it might cost $150,000 to move the structure.  Avenue Church will wash away their guilt of destruction of a landmark in the historic district with the offer of the property.  Well, they tried!  What more could they do?  Well, to start with they could change their plans for the parking lot on the site of the home and the need to destroy the landmark.
 
This is not the first old property destroyed by Avenue United Methodist Church and it will probably not be the last.  They have their own brand of urban renewal at work.  Why don’t you put the criticism for the possible destruction of the Hall-Watson House on the steps of the church?  Contact the Rev. Earle Baker to protest the plans of the church to destroy the landmark and alter the landscape of the historic district.
 

Avenue United Methodist Church

20 N. Church St.

Milford, DE 19963

302.422.8111

earle.baker@avenueumc.com

 
 
 
Those who criticize the Milford Historical Society don’t know the extent of their work or of their lobbying efforts to save, preserve and rehabilitate this and other properties within the historic districts.  You don’t know the facts or you would come to a far different opinion of the work of the society.  Perhaps all of the readers who support historic preservation would like to join the Milford Historical Society and help in their efforts.  However, it is so much easier to just sit back and criticize.  So, let us see if you put your money and time where your mouths are.

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 Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 05:00 am
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Milford is full of history and charm, but the question I ask is "Where is the money going to come from?". The Historical Society has a hard enough time maintaining the Parson Thorne Mansion. Not only does it take time, but money as well. If the ladies want to save that old house, whose historical value is that it is old, then let them pay for it and stop acting liking children!

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 Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 08:14 pm
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  Hello newbies!

The Milford museum is a fascinating place to explore. Milford has a rich history. Both with buildings and the shipbuilding industry.

 Most of the properties on NW Front street were once beautiful and historic homes. All but a few now are falling down or in terrible states of deterioration. The home that is being discussed here is right on NW Front street. There is a huge sign on the front of it saying about it having to be moved.

 Sadly, many historic homes in Milford have become rentals. Either the owners are unaware of how these homes look or they simply do not care.

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 Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 01:49 pm
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I'm also a newbie. I believe the house was built in the 1800's thereby making it historical.

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 Posted: Wed Mar 25th, 2009 03:59 am
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I'm fairly new to Milford, so forgive me my uneducatedness (is that a word??), but I need to understand the situation, a church bought a property to expand and the house on it needs to be relocated or torn down, where does the historical society come into play? I want to be involved and help if possible but I need to understand before I can commit.  I'm new, so be gentle.

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 Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 10:57 am
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Just Me wrote: I supported them with donations and attendance at their events when I first came here but then stopped once I realized they were only interested in the Parson Thorne. I also see how active the Milton and Lewes Historical societies are and see lost opportunity in Milford.
 

I'm glad you have actually been involved and you're not just criticizing like mostly happens around here.

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 Posted: Tue Mar 24th, 2009 05:42 am
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I supported them with donations and attendance at their events when I first came here but then stopped once I realized they were only interested in the Parson Thorne. I also see how active the Milton and Lewes Historical societies are and see lost opportunity in Milford.

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Just Me wrote: North and South Walnut could use sprucing up as well! Like I said, what an expansive historic district Milford could have if only people like the "Historic Society" cared about more than the Parson Thorne property! An what an economic draw it would be--lost opportunity!
These things take lots of money, have you donated to the Historic Society lately? Just curious cause you seem to be quite a critic.

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 Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 11:29 pm
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North and South Walnut could use sprucing up as well! Like I said, what an expansive historic district Milford could have if only people like the "Historic Society" cared about more than the Parson Thorne property! An what an economic draw it would be--lost opportunity!

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 Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 03:33 pm
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I'm so glad other people are concerned about the way Front St. looks. The other end of Front St. could also use some sprucing up!

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 Posted: Mon Mar 23rd, 2009 12:19 am
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That would be wonderful! I guess we just have to wait for the old slumlords to die and hope their kids don't continue the tradition.

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wouldn't it be wonderful if we could stop the landlords that rip off all of the new entrepenuers with their high rents? People that have the ambition to start a business need help and the support of the city of Milford so they can actually concentrate on building their business- without having to worry about not being able to pay their rent and keep their lights on in their stores! We should welcome  businesses that will be a compliment to our town.

It seems that our little businesses don't have a chance and that is not fair.  I believe that if something isn't done soon, all of the quaint little stores will be gone here in Milford and all we are going to be able to do is to shop at Walmart , oh- I will be wearing my bullet proof vest!  

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Sorry to seem heartless, Politics, but I think Milford has enough people housed in section 8 housing, slumlord properties bursting at the seems with Central Americans and halfway houses full of "recovering" alcoholics and pedophiles. Do you really think that anyone will want to live here if all we are known for is housing vagrants and allowing more store-front churches? We don't need to use a beautiful historic home to house the homeless--that's not what you do. You preserve the historic past and use it to enhance the town's future. I completely agree, coastal, that without the city to enforce property codes, the heart of the town suffers. This is more tragic than all the beige, cookie cutter developments the idiots can approve! Milford is the poster-child for opportunities lost!

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brendadavid2 wrote: Hall Watson House website:www helphallhouse.org

for pictures, history, and more.

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Thanks to all of you who have posted comments regarding the moving and restoration of the Hall-Watson house on Front Street in Milford! If you would like more information, to see how you can help, and to view some additional pictures of the house, go to our (very new) website watson house. :):)

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 Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 05:14 pm
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i got an idea.

why not have the city of milford take the house, move it down the street, and give it to a charity for the homeless??

we could say it is for the benefit of the city for the homeless to have shelter, and its okay  for tax money to be used if its a good cause.

we could even give a donation to cover the overhead cost, because we have surplus money oin our city money funds at this time.

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 Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 02:24 pm
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Bitter Route:   You took the exact words out of my mouth. Milford's immediate downtown is so pretty and the riverwalk is lovely. BUT...where are council's eyes?  Are there not codes in place here for broken down homes?  Why aren't these properties being sited and owners fined and made bring these homes into respectable properties? I think people should be more concered with the heart of Milford then new homes being built on the outskirts. Without a Heart of a town, you have no town. Just my own opinon.

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 Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 10:16 am
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 It's the houses across the street that need to be torn down- just about everything from Church st to West st is an eyesore.

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 Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 04:02 am
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I would like to have the house, and I have land I could put it on.  My problem is the costs of moving it.  I hope it can be saved.

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 Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 02:37 am
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I thought this was the house in question. This house is not being moved for apartments. It is being moved because Avenue Church is expanding the property is needed for the project. The final result will be a property Milford will be proud of.

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 Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 02:16 am
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The house is on NW Front Street on the grounds of Avenue United Methodist Church. It looks to be in nice shape from the outside. A picture of the house is on the front of this week's Milford Chonicle. I agree the city should be concerned about all the run down houses on NW Front and North Walnut Street. One house had a guy building pipe bombs in the basement for God's sake!!! Other properties are owned by slumlords who don't keep up the properties and don't care because the City of Milford does not do code enforcement. So as long as the rent check clears, they don't care! What an expansive historic district we could have if only someone cared about these lovely old houses!

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 Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 01:54 am
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Which house is this?

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  The homes on NW Front Street are in such poor condition. Why would the historical society be concerned about a nice home when there are others literally falling down all around. I am truly embarrassed for visitors to drive through town.

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 Posted: Fri Mar 20th, 2009 01:45 am
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What a shame that the only people in Milford interested in saving the historic Hall-Watson House are "Two Crazy Broads". I applaud Ms. Carr and Ms. Wilks-Wright for taking on the fight to save this beautiful, historic home. Obviously, the City of Milford and the so-called Milford Historical Society have no real interest in saving the history all around us in Milford. This home will unfortunately go the way of the Mispillion light house-- rich people will buy the property and move it to Lewes or Milton. We will lose our historic properties and they will be replaced with apartment complexes with beige siding--charming!


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