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Posted: Thu Apr 23rd, 2009 04:37 pm |
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gwarbusto wrote: Could someone explain to our misguided friend the difference between volunteer Firemen coming to your rescue and the government sending out
grass cutting patrols.
Secondly,you cannot compare your mortgage and your real estate taxes. The agreement you enter with you bank is a personal contract with agreed upon terms which usually end on an 15 or 30 year basis but not so on taxes.
If you live anywhere near Fisher Avenue, Marshall street, Charles street
you do not need the wind to blow to smell the foul odor and this is part of the downtown area they are trying to clean up.
Lastly, while some find tall grass "unpleasant they aren't posing a health hazard".
I guess some people like paying ever increasing taxes, utility rates, more government intrusion...
I am misguided...why because I don't agree with your particular narrow minded viewpoint on issues. I am well aware of the difference between volunteer fireman and the city/county mowing peoples unkept properties, which is allowed by law within Kent and Sussex County.
When anyone buys a property they know there are taxes associated with the ownership, and whether you want to accept it or not property taxes are a private contract as well when the property deed is is registered at the Registry of Deeds in each specific county.
Unkept properties devalue the other properties in the area, they also become areas where undesired wildlife such as red fox, racoons, groundhogs, feral cats (all potential carriers of rabies) come to make their home.
I guess some people like to complain about everything and assume everything about other forum members and or members of our community. We don't live in the annexed part of Milford so my property taxes are probably 50% less, our electric bill is $600.00 less a month then the state we moved from.
"government intrusion" wouldn't be necessary if people used common sense, something that seems to be lacking more and more on a daily basis.
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Posted: Thu Apr 23rd, 2009 03:26 pm |
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Posted: Thu Apr 23rd, 2009 03:21 pm |
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"I'm not apologizing or making excuses for anyone. Remember how you feel about the "government" trespassing...when GOD forbid you should have an emergency such as a fire or need for the police. You certainly wouldn't want them tresspassing now would you. As far as taxes of course one can lose their home if they don't pay their taxes just as one can lose their home if their mortgage isn't paid.
I can also smell Seawatch when the winds blow in my direction, just as I can smell the farms around my home. While some may find these oders unpleasant they aren't posing a health hazard."
Could someone explain to our misguided friend the difference between volunteer Firemen coming to your rescue and the government sending out
grass cutting patrols.
Secondly,you cannot compare your mortgage and your real estate taxes. The agreement you enter with you bank is a personal contract with agreed upon terms which usually end on an 15 or 30 year basis but not so on taxes.
If you live anywhere near Fisher Avenue, Marshall street, Charles street
you do not need the wind to blow to smell the foul odor and this is part of the downtown area they are trying to clean up.
Lastly, while some find tall grass "unpleasant they aren't posing a health hazard".
I guess some people like paying ever increasing taxes, utility rates, more government intrusion...
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"I'm not apologizing or making excuses for anyone. Remember how you feel about the "government" trespassing...when GOD forbid you should have an emergency such as a fire or need for the police. You certainly wouldn't want them tresspassing now would you. As far as taxes of course one can lose their home if they don't pay their taxes just as one can lose their home if their mortgage isn't paid.
I can also smell Seawatch when the winds blow in my direction, just as I can smell the farms around my home. While some may find these oders unpleasant they aren't posing a health hazard."
Could someone explain to our misguided friend the difference between volunteer Firemen coming to your rescue and the government sending out
grass cutting patrols.
Secondly,you cannot compare your mortgage and your real estate taxes. The agreement you enter with you bank is a personal contract with agreed upon terms which usually end on an 15 or 30 year basis but not so on taxes.
If you live anywhere near Fisher Avenue, Marshall street, Charles street
you do not need the wind to blow to smell the foul odor and this is part of the downtown area they are trying to clean up.
Lastly, while some find tall grass "unpleasant they aren't posing a health hazard".
I guess some people like paying ever increasing taxes, utility rates, more government intrusion...
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It may not be a good idea too make waves. Its really not a nice world when it comes to governments money and ones seeking power. anybody with any kind of morals can look at a situation and tell when somethings wrong.
"these -ock suckers in power dont give a -uck about you!" "George Carlin"
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o its true about many large land owners not being placed on the tax rolls. who signed off on that deal??was not me, thats for sure
read last council meeting minutes..they voted to not collect back taxes and not even go for 2008 taxes. they voted to start with 2009 .that was sweet of them!!
as to the margin calls for electric..its on the record and in the newspapers.the 450 thousand for the letter of credit? on the record. our cost 90 thosusand dollars//
bond issue? yep, we pay 670 thousnd a year in our electric charges for the substation that has not been started. the city has been taking our money for the bond issue for over two years.
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jerseyhunter wrote: I have never met a man as smart as you sir, you should be mayor but I think you would rather start a lot of problems because you have nothing else to do, I hope when I get old I golf, fish, hunt and have some kind of hobby. It's sad to see someone that has retired form a life time of working and end up being so mean, Life is short sir. You have a fine Day
Thank you is Politics incorrect? i b a mean mother tooLast edited on Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 11:19 pm by bluesmann8
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| Sorry blues, this was meant for Politics, he is the man
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Posted: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 10:38 pm |
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| I have never met a man as smart as you sir, you should be mayor but I think you would rather start a lot of problems because you have nothing else to do, I hope when I get old I golf, fish, hunt and have some kind of hobby. It's sad to see someone that has retired form a life time of working and end up being so mean, Life is short sir. You have a fine Day
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thats kool as long as it applys to all and everybody .But i have a hunch it doesn't. lets give everybody a tax holliday and a refund check. lets up the capitation tax while were at it Last edited on Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 09:57 pm by bluesmann8
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you have to pay your taxes for real estate in milford. but, a group of properties have not been taxed. the city council knows about it, and, they voted not to ask for back taxes. they believe we should look foward and not back in our thnking.
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I learned that if you didn't pay you taxes the government will take it away.
I guess we are all renters.
 try the word slavery
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Posted: Wed Apr 22nd, 2009 04:51 pm |
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two points you make.
one..i did not say all of the council is thinking like doug. some are very good for milford, some are not . i will not point out which ones are which..your decision.
second..yes, i have spoken to doug and he has never cared to help the citizens of his ward on any of the problems presented to him that i am aware of.. nor did he ever listen to our concerns that i am aware of.
doug voted not to follow city ordinances many times. he voted to allow the electric to go up in price when he has the power to make a point to dmec that eniugh is enough.
he voted to take out bond money for electric sub station that was never built and the money was never used for its purpose.
the list goes on, so i am voting for doug because i say, he knows what is best for milford.
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politics wrote: doug murrow voted to allow those who do not pay their taxes to be excused from paying up. some owe for over five or six years. the reason given, they may sue us because the city never sent out the billing to them.
doug then voted not to bring back the workers to city hall after approving almost two million dollars in repairs.
now doug murrow gets my vote. he even approved the last tax increase we had.
doug is the kind of thinker we need in milford.higher taxes, spend, rather then drill, drill, drill, cut the income and increase the spending. my kind of council man
This is a very narrow view. Have you asked him why he voted the way he did? His # is in the book and I'm sure he would gladly discuss the votes and his reasons for voting the way he did, he is a very open and honest guy.
If you think everyone in the council is so bad, are you running? Or are you just the type to sit on the sidelines crying and complaining?
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doug murrow voted to allow those who do not pay their taxes to be excused from paying up. some owe for over five or six years. the reason given, they may sue us because the city never sent out the billing to them.
doug then voted not to bring back the workers to city hall after approving almost two million dollars in repairs.
now doug murrow gets my vote. he even approved the last tax increase we had.
doug is the kind of thinker we need in milford.higher taxes, spend, rather then drill, drill, drill, cut the income and increase the spending. my kind of council man
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gwarbusto wrote: Hope this is better. It seems my point was too complicated for certain apologists that Milford has a law regulating grass length on the books yet when a company like Seawatch offends it neighbors with foul odors, Milford City Council is "helpless". And just because milford is cheaper than the county when it comes to trespassing, I mean cutting grass doesn't make it better.
What ever happened to "due process of law". If the any local government is going to enter my property they better have my permission or a court order. I quess I grew up thinking you owned your own property until I learned that if you didn't pay you taxes the government will take it away.
I guess we are all renters.
I'm not apologizing or making excuses for anyone. Remember how you feel about the "government" trespassing...when GOD forbid you should have an emergency such as a fire or need for the police. You certainly wouldn't want them tresspassing now would you. As far as taxes of course one can lose their home if they don't pay their taxes just as one can lose their home if their mortgage isn't paid.
I can also smell Seawatch when the winds blow in my direction, just as I can smell the farms around my home. While some may find these oders unpleasant they aren't posing a health hazard.
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Hope this is better. It seems my point was too complicated for certain apologists that Milford has a law regulating grass length on the books yet when a company like Seawatch offends it neighbors with foul odors, Milford City Council is "helpless". And just because milford is cheaper than the county when it comes to trespassing, I mean cutting grass doesn't make it better.
What ever happened to "due process of law". If the any local government is going to enter my property they better have my permission or a court order. I quess I grew up thinking you owned your own property until I learned that if you didn't pay you taxes the government will take it away.
I guess we are all renters.
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| Hey gwarbusto, could you please reduce the size of your font? I don't even read your post anymore, makes me think a kid wrote them with the large print...
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Gwarbusto wrote:
I find it amazing that the city of Milford has a law that says you cannot have grass grow over 6 inches and this is enforced with fines and they have crews that go around that will go on private property, cut the offending grass and send the homeowner a bill for a least $100.
You might want to research a bit before you rip the council apart. The City of Milford law regarding grass height is aligned with both Kent and Sussex County law which states the same thing. By the way if the county has to have a crew cut a property's grass the minimum cost is $250.00 (that was last years cost to the property owner).
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Could electric rates go down if every one paid their fair share.
Why did Irv Ambrose and Doug Murrow support lowering the rates for Purdue, and Seawatch and other big users. Because they threatened to take their low paying jobs which creates a lot of the poor housing conditions that coucilmen ambrose and murrow complain about. Could it have anything to do with the fact that
Doug Murrow works for seawatch. Look around Marshall, Fisher streets near the plants and you will see many overcrowded and rundown homes
along with a stench that is overbearing in the summetime.
People have complained and they have identified the smell coming
from Seawatch but were told that their is nothing legally the town can do to stop it. I find it amazing that the city of Milford has a law that says you cannot
have grass grow over 6 inches
and this is enforced with fines and they have crews that go around that will go on private property, cut the offending grass and send the homeowner a bill for a least $100. Yet these same
coucilmen Ambrose and Murrow
cannot find some way to stop the offensive odor from affecting entire neighborhoods. At a public meeting some people have complained that this odor has stopped them from selling their home. We need new Coucilmen
that put people first. It is "TIME FOR CHANGE".
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the way to decrease electric costs and allow mlford to keep its profits, which i agree, are correct, is to look at the other costs.
costs that do not put a burden on the taxpayers and is wastefull spending..
bond issue..we generate no profit or gain for paying into a slush fund that is for a bond that was never issued. that money, over eight million dollars of your sweat and toil to pay, sits in this fund. yet, our council keeps trying to get their hands on it for other purposes.
every few months they come up with an idea of how to transfer money dedicated to electric to other purposes.
then again, what right does the city have to have multiple rate charges which the public pays the most??
why does the five biggest users get it for almost half of what you and i pay??
subsidize for a few years?? okay? forever, at you and mine expense??i do not think so
corporations can increase their costs, we can't get pay raises to afford the electric rates
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bluesmann8 wrote: milford boy
OK,
I'll keep it local.
What would have to happen in City council for you to believe again? Do you think that having councilmen whose only priority is to serve the people of Milford is a good start?
they could start by giving back all that they steal from the people each month with their electric bills. government is not for profit but to serve. yes! the people have to pay the bills, the police etc. and they do. Its the profit that they take from us and thats where the deception comes in imo the money. its all controlled by a select few.
What deception? I knew within 6 months of living in Milford (non annexed) that Milford Electric profits paid the wages for the city employees, either in part or completely. I ask you what would make more sense to put all the burden on the taxpayers in the annexed portion of the city or to get extra funding from Milford Electric users who are not annexed with Milford ?
I can name 2 developments with a total of close to 350 homes that are Milford Electric users and are NOT annexed with the City of Milford yet the homeowners subsidize and help offset the cost for city employees.
What do you think will happen to the electric rates once fossil fuel plants are no longer allowed to operate and generate electricity? What will happen when the wind farm construction begins the rate payers will foot the tab? Neither of these examples are controlled by any council member on any board or council collectively in the City of Milford.
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bluesmann8 wrote: milford boy
OK,
I'll keep it local.
What would have to happen in City council for you to believe again? Do you think that having councilmen whose only priority is to serve the people of Milford is a good start?
they could start by giving back all that they steal from the people each month with their electric bills. government is not for profit but to serve. yes! the people have to pay the bills, the police etc. and they do. Its the profit that they take from us and thats where the deception comes in imo the money. its all controlled by a select few.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGyObuH3WTY
ok, (hypothetically) lets say that the new crop of councilmen want to bring the budget under control and cut the profit from the electric and sewer to where it covers the city's overhead and funding for essential projects. Would that make you have more faith in this government? If not, what would??
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGyObuH3WTY
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bluesmann8 wrote: I don't live in Milford and nothing will change for the one running for office etc are all the same just like in the big election with obama etc. politics is a dirty word!
OK,
I'll keep it local.
What would have to happen in City council for you to believe again? Do you think that having councilmen whose only priority is to serve the people of Milford is a good start?
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bluesmann8 wrote: Sounds like everybody's worried about B LZ. from what i remember him telling me any checks that come in are not made out to butch LZ. Tho any thing like this should be accountable. "got money from us last year lets see where it went. that should be a rather easy task being no one gets paid but the troops.
(from the previous blog - related to auditing) I don't think that either Steve Johnson or Jim Oechsler are concerned about Butch. BLZ has done a lot of good things for Iraq vets and I thank him for that. I am not able to do what he does. However, sometimes, he is his worst enemy with his commentaries. It is his right to say whatever he pleases (this being America) but sometimes you just wonder.... does he think about the repercussions of his tirades? (by the way - make sure that you vote in next Saturday's Council Election - that is what this forum is about!!)
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politics wrote: irv ambrose tells you electric is going to cost you the same or less this year. yet, w are paying a lot more for the new june one contract for electric from our supplier.
we are paying 90 thousand dollars just for our share of the letter of credit for 45 million issued to our supplier.
we are paying 670 thousand dollars for a bond issue never issued.
politiciams sure can make numbers add up.
i would vote for steve johnson if i lived in the first ward.
Would you advise Steve Johnson to waste Milford taxpayer dollars having Butch Elzey audited ?
I wonder how much higher annexed residents of Milford electric bills and taxes would be if they didn't have the non annexed residents offsetting the electric cost and city employee salaries.
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irv ambrose tells you electric is going to cost you the same or less this year. yet, w are paying a lot more for the new june one contract for electric from our supplier.
we are paying 90 thousand dollars just for our share of the letter of credit for 45 million issued to our supplier.
we are paying 670 thousand dollars for a bond issue never issued.
politiciams sure can make numbers add up.
i would vote for steve johnson if i lived in the first ward.
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Milfordian II wrote: politics wrote: remind butch that when he comes before the milford city council for a donation this year for his charity work, the council will want to audit his books to see where the money goes and for what purposes , because butch wants background checks on everyone.
that includes him and his charity too??
why should tax payers money be given to butch without knowing for sure what he is doing with it, like butch says, we got towatch everyone in milford.
will butch agree to the audit before taking tax payers money?/who knows??
Let's really put it in perspective. The City of Milford presented Mr. Elzey with a a donation check for $3000.00 for the Walter Reed benefit. According to this website http://www.city-data.com/city/Milford-Delaware.html there were 8,288 in 2007. That equates to .36 per taxpayer for a donation. Exactly how much do you think it will cost for the City to have an independent CPA do the audit ? Why shouldn't elected officials be subject to a background check, drug test. I would bet that more than 10% of Milford residents themselves have had or currently are subject to background checks for their employment, including all the staff and volunteers in our school district.
I think as far as public officials go, add lie detector test also.........
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politics wrote: remind butch that when he comes before the milford city council for a donation this year for his charity work, the council will want to audit his books to see where the money goes and for what purposes , because butch wants background checks on everyone.
that includes him and his charity too??
why should tax payers money be given to butch without knowing for sure what he is doing with it, like butch says, we got towatch everyone in milford.
will butch agree to the audit before taking tax payers money?/who knows??
Let's really put it in perspective. The City of Milford presented Mr. Elzey with a a donation check for $3000.00 for the Walter Reed benefit. According to this website http://www.city-data.com/city/Milford-Delaware.html there were 8,288 in 2007. That equates to .36 per taxpayer for a donation. Exactly how much do you think it will cost for the City to have an independent CPA do the audit ? Why shouldn't elected officials be subject to a background check, drug test. I would bet that more than 10% of Milford residents themselves have had or currently are subject to background checks for their employment, including all the staff and volunteers in our school district.
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Rated R tell it like it is! George add Milford to the list. the big club? and you aint in it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGyObuH3WTY
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A good reason to replace Ambrose and Murrow is the fact that they have been there for years while the utility rates were
going up. The 2008 audit which is available at Milford's website shows that on Electricity revenue of $26 million they made a profit of $4.8 million, almost a 20 percent markup. They look at utilities as a way to make money not as a public service. Want to know why your water bill is soooo high, the audit showed revenue of $2.4 million with a profit of $1.1 million, that's a 45% profit.
Don't forget the $1.8 million boondoggle that Ambrose and Murrow approved to be spent on Town Hall which still remains closed during the day.
What about the lack of planning
to accommodate the billing department return to downtown.
Finally, these councilman state that utility rates are not that bad
yet they want to beef up security
out at airport rd where they now work to protect them from customers who are upset over their high utility bills. Like most professional politicians they have learned quite well how to speak out of both sides of their mouth!
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bluesmann8 wrote: milford boy wrote: bluesmann8 wrote: milford boy wrote: So, gentlemen (I assume). What do you think of the races in Wards one, two and three? Do you know any of the candidates? Do you trust any of them?
Try being nice little milford boy. You are the kind that make milford what it is crooked!
I am sorry I said something that may have offended you. I was trying to be nice by attempting to steer us back to the topic of choosing councilmen in the election Saturday, April 25 (voting at the Middle School from 12 til 8 PM for registered residents of wards 1, 2, and 3). I think James Oechsler has a good chance of being elected. He is working well with the ward's other councilman John Workman.
sorry ! i thought it was another mental statement. all i see is the end results of years of yes men. governments don't work for the people like its supposed to be. we work for them . like paying double for our electric. thats why i live outside city limits. Its affordable. Inside city limits i'd be homeless.
Hopefully in this election the voters will get rid of councilmen who aren't committed to lower electric rates. Again, sorry for the misunderstanding
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Posted: Sat Apr 18th, 2009 05:02 am |
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milford boy wrote: bluesmann8 wrote: milford boy wrote: So, gentlemen (I assume). What do you think of the races in Wards one, two and three? Do you know any of the candidates? Do you trust any of them?
Try being nice little milford boy. You are the kind that make milford what it is crooked!
I am sorry I said something that may have offended you. I was trying to be nice by attempting to steer us back to the topic of choosing councilmen in the election Saturday, April 25 (voting at the Middle School from 12 til 8 PM for registered residents of wards 1, 2, and 3). I think James Oechsler has a good chance of being elected. He is working well with the ward's other councilman John Workman.
sorry ! i thought it was another mental statement. all i see is the end results of years of yes men. governments don't work for the people like its supposed to be. we work for them . like paying double for our electric. thats why i live outside city limits. Its affordable. Inside city limits i'd be homeless.Last edited on Sat Apr 18th, 2009 05:03 am by bluesmann8
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Posted: Sat Apr 18th, 2009 04:47 am |
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bluesmann8 wrote: milford boy wrote: So, gentlemen (I assume). What do you think of the races in Wards one, two and three? Do you know any of the candidates? Do you trust any of them?
Try being nice little milford boy. You are the kind that make milford what it is crooked!
I am sorry I said something that may have offended you. I was trying to be nice by attempting to steer us back to the topic of choosing councilmen in the election Saturday, April 25 (voting at the Middle School from 12 til 8 PM for registered residents of wards 1, 2, and 3). I think James Oechsler has a good chance of being elected. He is working well with the ward's other councilman John Workman.
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| So, gentlemen (I assume). What do you think of the races in Wards one, two and three? Do you know any of the candidates? Do you trust any of them? Last edited on Sat Apr 18th, 2009 04:01 am by milford boy
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bluesmann8 wrote: What the heck are you talking about? and who's bitc-in? read the thread again and point to where i'm doing wrong. please~!
not sure who you are and don't care. please mind your own bussiness thank you! I saw the II after milfordian and realized your someone different than i thought. Moon to you! Yes I know been called a black sheep all my life and now i've gone to a new low lol!
we love dirty laundry don't you?
you said
I am speechless......as a veteran myself who donates a great deal of my time and money to similar military and catostrophic causes as well as now helping Butch with the Walter Reed cause ..... personally in my opinion you have brought this forum and Milford to a new all time low.
silent words? bragging again? shame shame shame and lets make this clear ok i'm not helping Butch i'm helping the troops. butch and i owe each other nothing. i offered to help thats all. and like i said mind your own bussiness
A) since you write it on here, it is EVERYONE's business and that opens the book for anything else
B) It is anyone's right to defend someone who is being slandered
C) Defamation of character can include slander (spoken derogatory statements), libel (written derogatory statements) or both. To constitute actionable defamation, the statements must be false and expose a person to hatred, ridicule or contempt. You also can sue if the defamation harms you in your occupation.
Watch what you are saying and like Milford Boy said Butch is NOT in the City Council Election which I thought this forum was titled.
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Posted: Sat Apr 18th, 2009 03:00 am |
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the candidates in the City Council Election are:
Irv Ambrose, Steve Johnson; Doug Morrow, Joe Palermo; James Oechsler and Jason Adkins....
sorry, I don't see Butch L-Z on the ballot.
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Posted: Sat Apr 18th, 2009 02:39 am |
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Milfordian II wrote: you have posted personal family stuff between you and Butch that has put him in bad light....especially to new residents who moved to Milford. I consider Butch a friend and it is my business when I think someone is posting something about Butch that has no business being discussed in a public forum. I would do the same for you or any other peson whom I know personally in Milford and there are a few.
Re read my post the all time low comment I made was to politics
I dont think i'm out of line at all and there's like nobody that comes here . what ever i post is true and i've got nothing too hide and who might you be? i'm kind of left here in the dark ya know i've done nothing to hurt butch nothing... punched him in the mouth once but he asked for it! but thats a long long time ago after he blacked my eye hehehe.Last edited on Sat Apr 18th, 2009 02:41 am by bluesmann8
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you have posted personal family stuff between you and Butch that has put him in bad light....especially to new residents who moved to Milford. I consider Butch a friend and it is my business when I think someone is posting something about Butch that has no business being discussed in a public forum. I would do the same for you or any other peson whom I know personally in Milford and there are a few.
Re read my post the all time low comment I made was to politics
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Posted: Sat Apr 18th, 2009 01:44 am |
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Milfordian II wrote:
Mike bluesmann8
You are way out of line airing you personal family dirty laundry on here. You got a beef with your brother go face him man to man just like when I first met him. You know the call you got to DJ for the bike ride in May ? Let me clue you in my friend, I called Butch and told him how I felt about the riff between you to and that life was 2 short for the bull$hit that I saw going on between you and he. I didn't tell Butch to call you but he manned up and did and you accepted the offer. Now don't bite the hand that was extended by Butch your brother, you been b**chin doesn't care about you, and now he makes an offer and you're still b**chin'. Now if you don't respect your brother enough to keep your personal beef out of here have enough respect for the other residents of Milford to keep it out.
politics
I am speechless......as a veteran myself who donates a great deal of my time and money to similar military and catostrophic causes as well as now helping Butch with the Walter Reed cause ..... personally in my opinion you have brought this forum and Milford to a new all time low.
What the heck are you talking about? and who's bitc-in? read the thread again and point to where i'm doing wrong. please~!
not sure who you are and don't care. please mind your own bussiness thank you! I saw the II after milfordian and realized your someone different than i thought. Moon to you! Yes I know been called a black sheep all my life and now i've gone to a new low lol!
we love dirty laundry don't you?
you said
I am speechless......as a veteran myself who donates a great deal of my time and money to similar military and catostrophic causes as well as now helping Butch with the Walter Reed cause ..... personally in my opinion you have brought this forum and Milford to a new all time low.
silent words? bragging again? shame shame shame and lets make this clear ok i'm not helping Butch i'm helping the troops. butch and i owe each other nothing. i offered to help thats all. and like i said mind your own bussiness
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Milfordian II wrote: ..... personally in my opinion you have brought this forum and Milford to a new all time low.
I agree, this forum has been on a downward spiral for the last couple months. It has become just a place for people to lash out and speculate. Don't get me wrong, there is a place for the complaining, everyone has that right, I went to a Tea Party on Wed. to show my displeasure. But there needs to be some balance.
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Posted: Sat Apr 18th, 2009 12:57 am |
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Mike bluesmann8
You are way out of line airing you personal family dirty laundry on here. You got a beef with your brother go face him man to man just like when I first met him. You know the call you got to DJ for the bike ride in May ? Let me clue you in my friend, I called Butch and told him how I felt about the riff between you to and that life was 2 short for the bull$hit that I saw going on between you and he. I didn't tell Butch to call you but he manned up and did and you accepted the offer. Now don't bite the hand that was extended by Butch your brother, you been b**chin doesn't care about you, and now he makes an offer and you're still b**chin'. Now if you don't respect your brother enough to keep your personal beef out of here have enough respect for the other residents of Milford to keep it out.
politics
I am speechless......as a veteran myself who donates a great deal of my time and money to similar military and catostrophic causes as well as now helping Butch with the Walter Reed cause ..... personally in my opinion you have brought this forum and Milford to a new all time low.
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I think that people should not spread false rumors, "the GURU" does not live in Florida nor did he ever. How and why do people make up this bullcrap in their heads...I will never know.
And I agree, get back on topic!
gwarbusto wrote:
The powers that be in milford have ordained certain coucilmen
with money and power. They are still receiving guidance from their onetime guru in Florida.
Meanwhile ousted council members are fronting a certain young newcomer who has already agreed to follow their orders.
Another candidate is waiting in the wings for next year's election and has been offered a sweetheart deal like the one offered a recently departed
influential Milfordian; a free home.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17th, 2009 07:47 pm |
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LET'S REMEMBER THAT THE TOPIC IS CITY COUNCIL ELECTIONS - NOT BUTCH L-Z.....
(sorry - we are getting a bit too personal)
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