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Ruling: Milford to compete in North -- School protested division move from Henlopen South
 
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deapp1
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 Posted: Fri Jul 24th, 2009 09:03 pm
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Not sure about the good ole boys network, I'm sure it existed just like in most other things of community interest. And yes, I think the Milford students can compete with the others in D1. They say that in order to get better, you've got to compete against  the best.

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 Posted: Thu Jul 23rd, 2009 08:59 pm
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I am not sure that 80K   (if that is accurarate)   which could be equivalent to 2 teacher salaries is necessary.   The contractor, who has built numerous schools in and out of state (and on early timelines),  has just as valuable info.   80K is shameful in this era of budgetary concern.   I am very disappointed in the school board's choice to approve this.   Perhaps a consultant fee is necessary... I can agree to that.     What concerns me greatly was the superior attitude of knowing/manipulating facts while creating a cirlcle of "favorites."   Those who questioned or spoke out ... received blacklisting.     I am looking forward to a new super who I hope will value quality/professionalism over the favorite circles and good ole boy groups.    I wish her luck!   I think our athletes will compete Division 1 level and don't want to be viewed as a district who whined to stay at top.

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 Posted: Wed Jul 22nd, 2009 04:17 pm
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I used to work for a national chain of restaurants and we would get these wonderful ideas from corporate. They looked good on paper, but failed in the "real world" as to efficiency and functionallity. Same holds true here. BTW- is there a website we can view his salary? Kinda be interesting as to what others make as well. I know Delaware Spends.com is interesting. Shows what is spent to state providers such as bus contractors, etc..

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 Posted: Wed Jul 22nd, 2009 03:56 am
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Building a school is not Bob Smith's field of expertise.
The 80k he is making for his experience in building schools came from a state accounting quote.
And to answer your question about " Have these contractors and engineers taught in public school classrooms and know the idiosyncrasies of such an environment?" well the contractors don't need to, but the engineering firm that designed the school has built schools before and to have Bob magically save the day by finding mistakes and to make the school work better by just having him in the building. Are you on something??

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 Posted: Mon Jul 20th, 2009 03:09 pm
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Better to cost a little now to have it right as opposed to going back later and correcting. Better to have it right now when construction money is available as opposed to coming back later when cost will be higher and potentially not having the money. Are you certain Waterman that he's making $80k? I don't know what he's making, I'm just saying it makes sense to have someone with experience in building schools oversee the construction- his experience allows him to know what works and what doesn't. Show me a set of plans from beginning to end that has not been changed or altered, in some degree during the construction process- from placement of lighting to locations of electric outlets. Have these contractors and engineers taught in public school classrooms and know the idiosyncrasies of such an environment?

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 Posted: Mon Jul 20th, 2009 12:26 pm
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That school is being built from a set a plans that were bid. Any changes Smith suggests are going to cost extra. They dont need him there, and how much time is he spending there any way for 80K a year. This school being built is not his property.

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 Posted: Sun Jul 19th, 2009 01:13 pm
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I can't wait until the state creates four school districts(county wide and the vo-tech schools) in order to consolidate administrators to reduce pay. Just think, 22,000 teacher union will have all the power then. I wonder which pay scale the union will approve, the scale that say, Delmar pays or the scale that Christina pays? I don't see teacher union allowing scale that pays 15% less based on sussex county pay scales. It all sounds good- but it will cost in the future, and the near future at that! BTW- if someone is building a new home and they've hired a contractor to do the work- wouldn't you think that person would go to the jobsite to check on progress, make suggestions, and even make changes that are practicle to the overall functionallity of the home? Isn't that what Mr. Smith is doing. Oh well, its that phrase of the day again, "Change we can believe in". Its working well, isn't it?:D

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 Posted: Sun Jul 19th, 2009 06:17 am
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Is there going to be a 1 million dollar rotunda with marble floors in the school like the one the Cape high school being built has ?

Can you believe these administrators. 1 million dollars for a rotunda and state employees are taking pay cuts. Wait until the state starts I.O.U's or no pay until December policies. Like Pennsylvania has started.

I should talk about Cape. Milford has 5 principals with doctorates making over 100k and an athlete director with a doctorate that does not teach any classes and making over 100K. Add that up 600,000.00 dollars.

Why do these schools have to be so outlandish with architecture?  They just need to be in a hub with the office in the center and the spokes all the classrooms. Need more room add to the spokes. Made of steel, fast to put and less expensive to change.
There I go again. I forgot about Schellhouse and Smith.

Maybe we can all ride on the Buccaneer boat to the poor house.

When the school is finally finished I wonder what 80,000.00 dollar a year project management position Bob will snuggle in to?

I wonder if the Richard Y. Johnson and Co. has him figured as a asset or a liability?  Or if they are the same.

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 Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 05:13 pm
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I think Poly-Tech can hold up to 1400 students, but they choose to have only 1,100. That super makes $140k + and has only 9,10,11, and 12 grades. Why not have Poly and Sussex Tech provide services for the special needs children in both counties - afterall, they suck tax dollars from their respective counties!:?

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 Posted: Mon Jul 6th, 2009 11:22 pm
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Milford was in the North quite a bit over the last 12+/- years. I know when I was going there we competed in the North for two years (they check the numbers every two years, we flipped with Smyrna I believe).

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 Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 03:53 pm
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Well if was not such a place for waste and poor administrators then everything would be acceptable.

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 Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 11:13 am
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There was once a day when people supported their local schools. Now it seems to be in vogue to bash them when e ver possible.

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 Posted: Sun Jul 5th, 2009 02:34 am
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Why not be in a larger conference. We at the time had the 4th highest paid superintendent in the state out of 19 districts. Who by the way is still on the payroll for 80K a year to over see the school being built.

Now we can show off our new stadium and fake grass. They just want to put all the fake grass schools together.


"Athletic directors in the conference ruled in November that all ninth- through 12th-grade pupils should be counted toward a school’s enrollment. With the special education students in Milford’s "intensive learning center" included in its count, the school’s enrollment became the seventh-largest in the conference"

That statement looks like Milford was discriminating against the special ed students because they cant play football. SHAME on you.


Look you cant have it both ways. Spend all that money and guess what.  Your looked at in a new light. So suck it up.

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 Posted: Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 03:57 pm
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What do you think?

From the Delaware State News:

Ruling: Milford to compete in North


School protested division move from Henlopen South


By Bruce Pringle


Delaware State News


GEORGETOWN — Chancellor William B. Chandler III on Thursday refused to prevent the Henlopen Athletic Conference from transferring Milford High School to its Northern Division, home of its bigger and arguably more competitive members.


That means, for at least the next two school years, Milford will be in the same division with Dover, Caesar Rodney, Smyrna, Sussex Central, Sussex Tech and Cape Henlopen. The Milford School District sued after being transferred from the Southern Division, saying the conference improperly adopted a rule on how enrollment is determined.


The seven schools with the highest enrollment in the 14-team league are placed in the North; the others, in the South.


As a member of the Southern Division last fall, Milford advanced to Delaware’s Division II football tournament and won its first state championship in the sport. The Northern Division champion moves on to the Division I tourney, which features larger schools.


Chancellor Chandler said Court of Chancery does not serve as an appeals court for the resolution of disputes within unincorporated organizations in which membership is voluntary, such as the conference. Even if he were wrong about the nature of Milford’s case, he said, the case still would be dismissed because it was filed too late.


Athletic directors in the conference ruled in November that all ninth- through 12th-grade pupils should be counted toward a school’s enrollment. With the special education students in Milford’s "intensive learning center" included in its count, the school’s enrollment became the seventh-largest in the conference.


Milford was placed in the North. Polytech High, formerly the seventh-largest but now the eighth, moved from the North to the South.


The conference’s alignment is determined every two years based on enrollments as of Sept. 30. Orginally, the figures had Milford remaining in the South.


But a protest by Polytech in November prompted the athletic directors’ vote and the realignment.


In the weeks following the athletic directors’ decision, the superintendents of the school districts represented in the conference declined to act on the issue. So did then-Secretary of Education Valerie Woodruff. But Milford did not sue until April 15.


If he were not dismissing the case, the judge said, a highly expedited schedule would be necessary to resolve all its arguments in time to accommodate scheduling of fall sports. The court, he said, should not be placed in such a position.


Milford contended the conference provided inadequate notice that a vote would be taken on the question of whether to count ILC students. Noel Primos, attorney for the conference, said that while the notice was issued later than required, Milford was aware the vote was coming up.


Milford’s lawyer, David Rutt, said that was so, but other districts did not have adequate time to prepare for the meeting.


Chancellor Chandler seemed to agree at least partially with Mr. Rutt on that point. The judge said the conference appears "to have done all this in a pell-mell way. This creates suspicion you’re trying to single out Milford."


Mr. Primos responded that Milford was the only school that omitted ILC students from the count it presented to the conference.


According to Mr. Rutt, the omission was made because those students were in a program that was not part of the high school, but merely was situated on the high school campus. But Mr. Primos countered that eight of the 20 students in the program took mainstream classes, those who graduated received Milford diplomas and one of the students was a member of Milford’s boys track team during the just-completed school year.


Besides winning a state championship in football, Milford also did so during the winter in wrestling and during the spring in Division II boys’ track and softball.


Chancellor Chandler pointedly asked Mr. Rutt whether Milford was seeking "the right to play teams smaller than you so you’re sure of winning?"


What Milford had at stake, Mr. Rutt said, was a "personal interest" it hoped the court would protect. But Chancellor Chandler repeatedly questioned whether the school district had a case worthy of further consideration in Court of Chancery.


After hearing more than 90 minutes of arguments, he decided it did not.


He said Milford can renew its effort to convince the conference to change its rule on enrollment — and it can quit the league if it remains dissatisfied.


Afterward, Milford athletic director Glen Stevenson said his district will drop the matter.


"There was a rumor we’d drop out of the conference," he said. "That was never a thought."


Staff writer Bruce Pringle can be reached at 741-8233 or bpringle@newszap.com.


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