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 Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 09:31 pm
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Maybe someone who is friends of the Governor should mention a way to save money would be to eliminate Mr Post job.  What does he do all day?  What is a"management analyst"?  I am not sure he even has a merit position.  See how he would feel if his livelihood is affected.
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 Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 08:02 pm
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If you supported our Police Chief through that ridiculous hearing, please don't stop now. The hearings for me were less about the heaped on charges brought by the Town Manager and Mayor and more about the process they used to throw their weight around. Their behavior is predictable after these many years together; arrogant defiance of what is proper and procedurally correct. They seem to feel they can do whatever they please and they can in a way unless something is done and done quickly. Don Post promised "transparency in government" his last election campaign. Well?? We're waiting to see it Mr. Post.

Now the Mayor is going to try and impose very unreasonable Goals & Objectives on the Police Chief, but claims that the terms apply to any police chief that may hold the position. So in his own mind, this is not discriminatory, or punative or even retaliatory. He just decided out of the clear blue, to impose these conditions on Chief Phillips. Well for once Mayor Post, your actions are crystal clear; you are a poor loser and you are not gracious either. The Police Chief was reinstated. PERIOD. Without terms and conditions, without sanctions, without prejudice. Stop playing around with a man's livelihood like it is some trinket.  
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Unfortunately, some people in positions of responsibility appear to believe that not confronting a problem will cause it to go away.  That is definitely flawed thinking and in fact, the problem is likely to expand rather than vanish.  A lawsuit from the police chief should be expected to be forthcoming.
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 Posted: Sun Sep 20th, 2009 02:31 pm
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I'll be very happy to support the "fab" 4 when they get the nerve and smarts to fire Dickerson - until then how can we possibly support them when almost the entire town is yelling at them telling them what they should morally and legally do and they are just siting on their hands and doing nothing.
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Post reminds me of a little kid who was told not to touch the hot stove or he would get burned.  He didn't listen, touched the hot stove with his right hand and got burned badly( putting Chief on Leave). He got mad at the stove and rationalized that if he touched the hot stove with his right hand he would get burned.  So his childish mind theorized if he would touch the stove with his left hand perhaps he would not get burned. (Trying to establish policies and objectives in such a manner for the Chief) Guess what is going to happen when he tries to issue that childish rambling of published objectives..............that's right, he will be burned again.  POOR UNEDUCATED AND SPOILED CHILD!

Our only hope is that the Council act in the manner of that child's parents and prevent him from being burned again because if he is burned again guess who will pay the bill - We will!!!!!!!


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This piece of garbage is going to be imposed upon the Chief UNLESS or UNTIL the majority of Council stand up and say NO! Right now, the "Fabulous Four" have the opportunity to return some sanity back to the residents of Milton by voting against matters such as he Chief's new goals and objectives.

Let's try and support the Council members who appear to be listening to the voices in Milton. They can make a difference for us.

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Folks, it is going to be impossible for the police chief to work for the town of milton as long as the present mayor and council persons are in office.   A quick read of those new policies makes that clear.    The chief is being set up for another confrontation and the question before us is this:  Is the chief going to resign from a "mission impossible" situation and sue the town along with the mayor and council persons individually, or is he going to wait until he is fired to do that?    One of those events has got to be close at hand.   Stay tuned!
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 Posted: Sat Sep 19th, 2009 03:41 pm
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You know the mayor did not write that.  He has a hard time putting 3 words together.
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 Posted: Fri Sep 18th, 2009 05:31 pm
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I just read the lord mayor's new edict regarding the objectives, etc for the Chief of Police.  Now Lord Mayor, don't even you realize theis is a sophmoric attempt to "get back" at the Chief and embarrass him at the same time.  How  childish of you.  This is not the way someone who is the Chief of Police (or any manager) should be treated.

Don't be surprised if this doesn't prompt a letter from Neuberger asking you to withdraw this piece of junk or suffer the consequences of a lawsuit filed on the Chief's behalf.

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 Posted: Thu Sep 17th, 2009 11:33 pm
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When you state deadlines, that's the "goals and objectives" part of a performance review. This belongs in the personnel committee not in the public.
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I would like to know who wrote the police policies document on the town's website and how it got written so quickly.  I don't think there is anyone on council or working for the town with enough sense to write a document like that.  Smells like a Georgie Boy thing to me.  At least they spelled Post name right!
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Honestly, this is worse than the Twilight Zone!
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I posted the opinion below on 09/09/09 on the "cause for concern" thread.   I knew that something untenable for the chief would occur.   I didn't know what form it would take, but if you folks are correct concerning the micromanagement of the police by the mayor, my opinion has proven to be factual. 

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I would have thought that the police chief would have to leave his position, no matter the outcome of the town council "hearings" and decision to reinstate or fire him.  The town has caused a hostile and toxic workplace for everybody on the police force by its actions to suspend the top 2 officers and to have public hearings as a precursor to firing the chief.  I really don't see how this chief could be effective as the police dept. leader after all that.  He should resign and sue the town for damaging his character, integrity, and his career.  Milton has probably guaranteed that he can never again work in police agencies anywhere.
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 Posted: Thu Sep 17th, 2009 03:04 pm
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Someone got up Monday night and said they couldn't get the document. Said they were instructed to file a FOIA request first. By the end of the meeting, the agenda item was moved until October and the Mayor said he was putting the document on the Town website. So perhaps you might try there.
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 Posted: Thu Sep 17th, 2009 03:01 pm
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Does anyone have a copy of this directive issued to the Chief?  If so please post it on here so we can all read it.
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 Posted: Thu Sep 17th, 2009 03:00 pm
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Let us not forget the cost of the prosecuting attorney the Town had to hire - what happened to their own City Solicitor? Wasn't she capable? How about the cost of the court stenographer? Now that represents big bucks. Let's not forget the cost of meals brought in from Casapulla's for the Town staff. Don't you think the little sandwich shop downtown would have appreciated that business for themselves? And the wages for Town employees to stand around and listen at the door.
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Does this Mayor think Mr. LaRosa just packed up and went back to Wilmington? This document serves two purposes: 1) payback for the Town losing the case and having egg on its face and 2) evidence that the Mayor didn't do his job all along in supervising the police department and now, through the use of this document, his way of setting the Chief up to fail. If the Chief managed to fulfill all the requirements listed in the document, he wouldn't have the time to run his department. This action is discriminatory and the Mayor is opening up the taxpayers, yet again, to pay out huge amounts of money in law suits.

 
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IF THIS IS TRUE, WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE ALL OVER AGAIN.  AS I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES, THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO CONSULT WITH A LABOR ATTORNEY FOR THESE MATTERS.  THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND THE TOWN WILL PAY DEARLY IF APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL.
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Being exhonerated at his hearing, was only the Chief's first obstacle. Now the Mayor and Council are attempting to impose unrealistic goals and objectives on his position and his department. The document goes so far as trying to dictate the hours worked by the Lieutenant (every single weekend) to the Chief being forced to call the Mayor before he makes a command decision. This is tantamount to disaster in a domestic situation, hostage scenario or anywhere the Chief needs to think on his feet in order to remedy a bad situation.

Those who attended the public hearings heard the Mayor say, under Oath, that he did not understand the workings of the police department. From the looks of this document, he doesn't understand it yet. It is the quintessential example of micromanagement as well as retaliatory, punative, vindictive behavior on the part of the Town Manager, Mayor and select Council members. This is a dangerous document from the perspective of public safety.

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CONGRATULATIONS CHIEF!!!! You handled yourself very professionally through this totally unneccesary ordeal. We are sorry you and your family had to deal with this whole stupid mess.  WE ALL AGREE YOUR STATMENT OF GETTING RID OF POST AND DICKERSON WAS VERY WELL FOUNDED!!!
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The Chief is well aware of the healing that needs to take place to put the department right. He knows he may have to call upon a mediator to help his men get over this ordeal. Give him a chance. I don't believe he came through all of this without learning a great lesson.

Congratulations Chief Phillips; it is good to have you back again!
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 Posted: Fri Sep 4th, 2009 02:14 pm
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It will be a rough time in the Police Department if the Chief lets it be !

First order is to get his men in line with the program.

I think this Chief can handle it , I'm not sure if there's going to be a white house beer moment but ..... there will be some talks

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Our chief just called for the mayor and town manager to resign ----- I AGREE.

 

The mayor and town manager need to stop wasting town's money, hurting the town's reputation and get out of the way of the progress of Milton.
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Looks like the Town Manager and The Mayor get slapped down by the councilmen with good sense.  Congrats to the Chief!
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Looks like the "lawsuit" that Dickerson and the HR person are going to file is a form of blackmail to get Councilwoman Betts to vote to ouster the Chief.  Why was Councilwoman Rhonda Melson never a part of the hearings? 

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Someone else said "The enormous ego of Mayor Post will never allow him to resign". We can only hope that in March 2010, the two council seats and mayor seat are replaced by citizens who care about the town and its people and more than their own ego.

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This Police Chief witch hunt has gotten way out of hand. Just shy of $20000 for a private investigator, countless hours for the Town Solicitor@ $200 per hour, and who knows how much for the 2nd attorney. I find it interesting that in a public meeting this attorney was touted as an accomplished litigator and events of this nature were her speciality. I had a good laugh when I saw her name as the attorney of record on a divorce notice in the newspaper. I guess this was just a sideline to her real speciality. And best of all I was told that the Mayor made the statement during the Public Hearing on the budget saying that all of the legal expenses for this fiasco is already in the current budget. Now that is what I call planning. He and the Town Manager must have polished their magic 8 ball real well or perhaps ousting the chief was  a long term plot. I guess we will never know as the Mayor always throws a smoke screen of denial and misdirection. With all the indiscretions, abuse of authority, misuse of public funds and other improprieties committed by the Mayor, another kangaroo court may be appropriate. Better yet why doesn't he go ahead and resign and save face while he can.
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Milton should have a special election , null and void all employment contracts for the police department and the town manager , pay them until new council is elected .

This will be costly but having start a new would clear up most of the issues.

Reading what is claimed to be illegal actions of the Chief was more like you won't play with me in the sand box or you sunk my battle ship .

When some one takes two jobs to make ends meet rather it is with the guards or not then they have committed them selves to both of them.

Rather it be the Country or the Town if you can not handle both of them , Your commitment to the country is first , when knowing scheduling may conflict  with this arrangement should have been made, but at the same time you should not expect all the good hours and leaving the dirty work to others. Working toward the hours you want may not always easy.

For one to think they should be given using the Guards as excuse so you do not have to work certain hours really under minds you Chief 's authority to delegate hours. One should remember they are the ones who applied for the job and should have the hours they can or can not work set right from the get go.




 

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When Milton hired an outside investigator, it should have been enough. But instead, someone (The Mayor & Council or the Town Manager) authorized the use of Cpl. Rockwell to work from the internal position of the police department. This strategy has put the young officer in a terrible position. He now carries the stigma of having worked to oust the Chief of Police. Whether the Chief is reinstated or not, there is irreparable damage done in the ranks. These types of dynamics are crippling in an organization where there must be a clear understanding of who is in charge and who are the subordinates. George Dickerson should not, ought not, CANNOT run the police department. Civilians are different from sworn employees and there has to be some respect for the person the Town hired to be in charge - The Chief of Police.

Still doesn't address the core concern: where are the charges against the Lieutenant? Why was he suspended? What are we waiting for?  
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I don't think so, Milton Resident.    The town council could not ask anybody in the departnment to perform an investigation of the chief or his activities.   After all, almost certainly, no matter what his findings, he could no longer work there.
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I think the LT was taken out of the way so there was no senior person in the dept to do an investigation, making it appear they needed to get a PI.

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With all this focus on the police chief, has anyone bothered to ask or even wonder why was Lt. Cornwell suspended? Have there been any charges filed against him by the Town?  If not, why not after nearly 6 months of suspension? Will Milton go through another lengthy, costly hearing for the Lieutenant too?  Was the Lt. suspended only to support the charges against the police chief? What is going on with his case and how can the Town of Milton afford to pay two top ranking officers to be off this long?

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I saw a Letter to the Editor in the Cape Gazette where Mr. Jeff Dailey considered the spending on the Chief's hearing a necessary cost of investigating the case. How long has Mr. Daley been in the business of police investigations?  Apparently he doesn't  understand  you can get this done for free just by turning to another police agency to conduct the investigation? Of course the town has insurance Mr. Dailey. That will help pay for the enormous law suit(s) that will come out of this mess.   What does that have to do with the money we are spending on the hearing? By paying a private investigator, you get the conclusion you pay for. Did the Town of Milton think they were above being investigated themselves during this process? Now we have the mirky reputation of the private investigator, allegations of sexual misconduct by the Town Manager - does the name Mark Furhman ring a bell to anyone?  
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let's try -- 20,000 for the PI, 20,000 for the town lawyer, 20,000+ for the prosecutor, 6 months of the chief's pay on suspension, 6 months of the LT's pay on suspension, town staff attending hearings and when the chief wins, his lawyer's bill.

We must be at $175,000 that the Mayor has spent WITHOUT council approval.

DO YOU THINK THE MAYOR SHOULD RESIGN AT THE SEPT MEETING??????
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fresh out of the mill

Milton town council is at odds with in it's self
How to re coop 20,000 dollars, who will stay who will go

But it will be the residents who pay

By any chance did someone check to see if there were any kick backs from that 20 grand?

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I don't think a new chief would be cheaper because they are paid on a salary scale used by most of the towns. And we weren't smart enough to ask for grant money to pay for two officers like other towns.
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So how much is the chief paid by the town

In getting a new chief would the pay be lowered ?

and with some one else paying for two new police officers, you should be able to cut the budget if top two were fired

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they're spending all of this money on things other then what they suspended the chief over. The police need more room for evidence storage and that's not being addressed in this budget.

The 118,000 deficit is on top of last years $225,000 deficit which is on top of the 2007 deficit of $750,000, which is on top of the prior year buying a town hall for $850,000. And now town is spend over $100,000 on this hearing. And if they fire the chief who know what it will cost the town.

You could see some of this data on the town's website http://www.ci.milton.de.us but it's mysteriously been offline since mid-day Friday.

 
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http://www.capegazette.com/storiescurrent/200908/miltondeficit4.html

Could this be the reasoon why the chief must go in the eyes of some council

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All parties signed the contract and it is enforceable; however there should be an investigation on the renegotiation of his contract as it is overdue since it stated that it should have been renegotiated after the charter was changed and approved by general assembly back in 2008! His contract may be null and void?
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Strange thing with the town manager -- he started in June 2006, his contract was issued Feb 2007. I've never seen someone get an employment contract eight months after starting a job. I don't know if the contract is valid because of this!
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Only 1 or 2 of them for advancement and even more so from the influences of the cancer of the town- Dickerson.
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Just the whiners
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So from what I gather, are the police cheif's own men against him or am I misunderstanding whats going on.
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looks like turkeyeyeball was right from a while ago, the cheating on wives in offices of the town government buildings and the lies of the mayor and town manager. Hopefully the town managers wife is there Thursday the 6th of August to hear of the office Olympics going on in his office. Sounds like a gold medal in lounger lunging. Nothing like the smell of new office to make people feel FRISKY! Wonder geo had a new office in Camden also?
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any thing yet ?
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oop! wrote: Gordo, are you be side your self ? Not knowing the definition of the word she used .

Milton will offer the Chief a sweet heart deal , He will keep his job but council will change some rules .

There will be a third try to oust the Chief

 


Not in this lifetime will they again try to fire the Chief without obvious and lawfully defined cause proving he deserved to be fired. The Chief will never again give them that opportunity. No sweetheart deals.
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Foolish me ?

Gordo

Your are still nequient in art  obacerating

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oop! wrote: Milton will offer the Chief a sweet heart deal , He will keep his job but council will change some rules .

There will be a third try to oust the Chief 
Town will replace its signs to say "Welcome to Phillipsville".

 
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Gordo, are you be side your self ? Not knowing the definition of the word she used .

Milton will offer the Chief a sweet heart deal , He will keep his job but council will change some rules .

There will be a third try to oust the Chief

 

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