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Ok, here's my solution to the clothing, electronics thing...
Find the teachers that have the problems, get those teachers to get the teachers union involved. Upset Parents + Upset teachers + Teachers Union can = progress in a hurry.
From what I've heard, the clothing and electronics thing is an everyday battle that goes nowhere fast. Teachers fight with students, teachers follow the rules, admin doesn't back it up. Teachers need to use their outside sources to fight for them and if the parents back up the teachers (because the teachers take the things away and parents get sick of having to get their kids stuff back) and the outside teacher sources (union) all work together, that's a pretty powerful base.
Here's an example. Johnny has his ipod out at lunch due to administrative approval. Johnny gets ipod taken away next period for listening to it in class. Johnny said that the admin let them use them at lunch (when there's supposed to be NO ELECTRONICS IN USE DURING THE SCHOOL DAY!!!). Parent then has to come to school and talk to admin or teacher on why it was taken and get the ipod back.
If this becomes a recurring thing for many students, parents should meet with the teachers that are taking the items and hear the story from the student and teacher... that yes, he was wrong for having it in class, but was misled by the example of the admin., the teachers can have someone from the union at these meetings/conferences and they can take notes and whatnot...
For any changes to occur there has to be a united front. Parents, if you like your kids teachers, or want changes made, you need to communicate with the teachers... the admin doesn't see your child everyday, but the teacher does! They know what's bothering your child or how your child is being misled because the students talk about it!!! Sure, you might have to suck up some pride of my Johnny is the perfect little angel, because he might not be, but at the same time, while working with the teachers, you can help to create a stable, black and white system that the kids can follow. The problems are that there are too many loopholes. Have assemblies showing what happens when stuff gets taken away, have assemblies showing what's right to wear to school and what's not (BY PICKING KIDS OUT OF THEIR SEATS AND NOT HAVING IT STAGED!!!!). Make the district send more letters home clarifying what the do's and dont's are of the school... sure, the handbook may say it, but who takes the time.
All I'm saying is if change is wanted and the students, parents, and teachers want it, then unite and go for it! Make a high school PTO, or group like it, that isn't afraid to talk to the teachers or teachers union reps. When there are numbers, there are results!!! 1 voice alone is enough to make a stir... 1000 voices sayin the same thing will get something done.
There's one of my solutions.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2008 08:51 pm |
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| No it doesn't matter if he was arrested. I don't care but it was already made public out side of here. And for people to come on here and ask about me, well it's happened. Been there done that and he is not the only person ever asked about. He is and was not the only person anyone has complained or praised about. Talking about the clothing, electronics, everyone feels the same, there is only so much meetings, conferences and talks for people to do. If there is another thought to fix that problem everyone is ready and willing to hear. I'm glad you have been following this for a while but you know this is not the only forum that these topics and issues are talked about! It goes beyond here or it does for myself. People question everyone everyday and you know what sometimes they have a right too especially when children may are envolved and some of their family members are still working in the district. I could careless what anyone thinks for me to ask if anyone had heard b/c I was approached and asked myself. It was just a question and and if the answer is no, don't know, then fine. I'm ready for a great school year to get started!!
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Does it matter if he was arrested? He resigned and is gone... leave the man alone!!!
Would you like it if something happened with you and people came on here and just started asking if they knew why you were arrested?
Whatever happened, happened long ago... MOVE ON!!!!
This is my first post here, but I've been following for some time. You people come on here and blow smoke.. that's about it. You come on here and complain about the bad teachers and then cry when the good ones leave.
I would like to see a group get together and go in and insist that cameras be set up in the school. Then have the videos be made public because you will then see exactly what the teachers see and do.
Besides, you complain about the teachers, go after the administrators!!!!! I've heard of students getting caught with clothes that were revealing too much by teachers after lunch and the administrators saw them that way at lunch. How is a teacher supposed to enforce rules of "turn in students with inappropriate clothing" if the principal and his assistants walk right by!!!
Also, what's up with the ipods and mp3 players... The kids always get them taken away after lunch because teachers are following the rule of no electronics, but then the teachers take another stab in the back because the admin lets them have out their ipods and mp3 players at lunch... the kids all help each other hide the wires and such... It's total bull from the bosses in the building. It's a wonder the kids don't run the building, oh wait, certain ones do.... no wonder the teachers are just letting stuff slide, I know I would... if someone did something infront of my boss and the boss did nothing, what type of role model is that for anyone.. kids or adults!!!!
In summation, stop going after the teachers and events that happened last school year!!! The new year is starting up and the admin will be letting the same crap go again... Parents get in there and get the clothing rules established... find out what a hoodie/jacket/sweatshirt is this year and just keep the ipods/mp3 players/cell phones at HOME!!! Or test the admin and see what they do!!! Go for cameras!!!! See it all!!!!
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| Heard he was arrested. Anyone know why? (Meaning Steve Richardson) Last edited on Fri Aug 15th, 2008 02:24 pm by Another Seaford Parent
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Bluesman wrote: Even 7 you are misinformed. The DSTP is very similar to every other state that has been mandated to do standarized testing under the NCLB Act. . In Massachusesttes it is called MCAS, Connecticut is CCAS, New Hampshire is NHTP.
Students have been able to legally drop out of school since I went 40 years ago once they reached the age of 16.
As to why they drop out is not the governments business and would be in violation of the 4th Amendment. As for not licensing anyone who is under the age of 18 because they drop out of school is ludicrous.
Your 40% drop out rate for students in the state of Delaware is not even close to correct.
BTW: Delaware ranked 21 st in comparision to other states in the national standardized testing in 2006.
And where did you get your findings and statistics from, sir? Are the tests from the other states exactly like what we offer here in Delaware? Are they made with the same standards? I have heard the DSTP is harder. Is this true? And if it is harder, than why are we ranked at only 21?? We should be in the top 5 or 10! Either way, the kids in Finland are still kicking our butts in Math & Science. We need to prepare our students for the Global world. Back when I was in school, 40 yrs ago, the USA ranked number ONE. Now out of 27 countries, we rank 24. Something has to give. Something has to be done.
As for revoking licenses, that is just a suggestion, sir. I am opened to any others that are out there. IF we are so passionate about education in our communities, then we need to do something about it. NOT talk about it. DO.
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Posted: Tue Aug 12th, 2008 01:15 pm |
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Even 7 you are misinformed. The DSTP is very similar to every other state that has been mandated to do standarized testing under the NCLB Act. . In Massachusesttes it is called MCAS, Connecticut is CCAS, New Hampshire is NHTP.
Students have been able to legally drop out of school since I went 40 years ago once they reached the age of 16.
As to why they drop out is not the governments business and would be in violation of the 4th Amendment. As for not licensing anyone who is under the age of 18 because they drop out of school is ludicrous.
Your 40% drop out rate for students in the state of Delaware is not even close to correct.
BTW: Delaware ranked 21 st in comparision to other states in the national standardized testing in 2006.
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The state tests are federally mandated. Meaning, Washington DC mandates, we have no choice but to comply or lose out on millions of Washington DC monies. We have NO choice but to test the daylights out of our students. We do, however, have the choice on what kind of test to offer our students. Right now, our test is a *Delaware* only test. Difficult to compare our students nationwide. I would like to see a test that will compare our students nationwide, to see where we stand in our state. Right now, Delaware's state high school graduation rate is 60%. That is unacceptable. And of that 60%, only 32% is college ready. Facts can be found on http://www.standup.org
Why aren't our high schools preparing our students? I agree, not all are college bound. But those that are college bound are being short changed, sadly.
Neither presidential candidate has mentioned education on their priority list. Our high schools are in a crisis. Our drop out rate for the state of Delaware is 40% with 51% african american. This is appalling. (facts from the same website above)
This website is paid for by the Melinda and Bill Gates Foundation. A foundation that has done more for our education then the U.S. Governement has done in years.
Did you know in the State of Delaware, a sixteen year old can sign themselves out of school, to drop out, without parental permission? Without anyone checking to see if this decision was well thought out? Years down the road, our taxes pay for these individuals one way or another. I realize this law was in place because of the times. But today, I believe there is no excuse for NOT graduating from high school. We need to repeal this law and follow the thirteen other states that have placed standards into law to make it a bit more difficult to quit school. I am all for revoking work permits and/or driving licenses for those under the age of 18 that drop out for no reason. There should be documented proof of health reasons, family crisis, or financial need to quit school and it should have parental input, principal input or, if need be, a judge to support this decision.
The importance of education can not be pushed aside.
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| No, You should never judge or assume.......My sister passed away and I have gardianship of her child.
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| Another Seaford Parent, wait, you graduated in 1998 and you have a child at shs? did you have that child when you were in 8th grade????
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Another Seaford Parent wrote: Like I said everyone has a right to their opinion. I'm not disputing that nor have I ever. My opinions about a few teachers are my opinions and a few other issues are my opinion. It's a lost cause to argue that. I do care about this state test. Yes I think it is the most stupidest think in the world but hopefully it will change. All I am saying is that I will not argue or try to defend my issues. I've put them out there with the schools and with teachers. When something changes from that then my opinion will change.
I agree with what you are saying. Personally I don't feel we are arguing, I am merely trying to explain certain aspects of your concerns that I do have quite a bit of personal knowledge about that being the DSTP style testing that goes on in all 50 states.
If you and others wait for the state testing to change instead of voicing your opinion to the politicians who represent you NOTHING will ever be different.
The State board of Education is mandated by the federal government under the NCLB Act to conduct the testing, and it all hinges on how much federal aid the state gets for education.
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| Like I said everyone has a right to their opinion. I'm not disputing that nor have I ever. My opinions about a few teachers are my opinions and a few other issues are my opinion. It's a lost cause to argue that. I do care about this state test. Yes I think it is the most stupidest think in the world but hopefully it will change. All I am saying is that I will not argue or try to defend my issues. I've put them out there with the schools and with teachers. When something changes from that then my opinion will change.
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Another Seaford Parent wrote: No not only one teacher was the issue, just using that as an example and no I wasn't the only one that complained about that(and NO it was not for public speaking, it was about personal things that happen at pagents). And back when I was in SHS I did make and effort with counselors as well as my parents b/c they were not sure on the right way to approach things with college. They ended up having a family friend help me getting somewhere. State/Federal who cares anymore. I know a majority of the teachers don't like the state test. Everyone has their own opinions about all these subjects. I'm done expressing my feelings b/c there will always be someone out there that disagree's. That's fine but it's frustrating when I'm trying to help my children but because I'm not a certain "class" as some parents or don't have the money like others we seem to get looked over. And I'm not the only ones.
You should care whether it is state or federal. Research what the NCLB Act is really all about and how the bill was initially started, by a US Rep from PA. The first proposal never got anywhere because it was so far out there.
I have no problem with blaming people who desrve to be blamed for wrong doing , and I am the first one to complain about issues. All I am stating is blame the right part of the government.
Quite frankly I believe you do yourself a great disservice to yourself when you use economic class status as an excuse. To say a teacher looks down upon certain students because of their "class" is ludicrous to say the least.
I'm not disputing that everyone has opinions about these issues, I'm trying to keep some perspective on it, having lived in another state where the same standardized tests are done. I also have a spouse who has taught in 2 other states as well as teaching in Delaware now.
I understand your frustration I have shared many of the same concerns over the years, please don't be so dismissive of others views just because they don't align exactly with yours.
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No not only one teacher was the issue, just using that as an example and no I wasn't the only one that complained about that(and NO it was not for public speaking, it was about personal things that happen at pagents). And back when I was in SHS I did make and effort with counselors as well as my parents b/c they were not sure on the right way to approach things with college. They ended up having a family friend help me getting somewhere. State/Federal who cares anymore. I know a majority of the teachers don't like the state test. Everyone has their own opinions about all these subjects. I'm done expressing my feelings b/c there will always be someone out there that disagree's. That's fine but it's frustrating when I'm trying to help my children but because I'm not a certain "class" as some parents or don't have the money like others we seem to get looked over. And I'm not the only ones.
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Another Seaford Parent wrote: I will respond to a few comments. And I am ONLY speaking for myself not everyone else. I graduated in 98. In the 4 years I was in SHS never was I once asked down to see a counselor about my future. I went down myself a few times and all they game me was brochures. And those times I was down there there were no other students in their offices, they were empty. And I can't speak for those parents that don't care and don't show up for there student conferences. In my case I show up more than I should and I am still disapointed. I have one in elementry school and one in SHS. My elementry student I am happy about, I feel bad b/c she will be in the middle school next year. I remember my trouble I had with it and my oldest child. Now here my oldest child holds a B average. But for example in her english class last year she mostly learned about how it was to be in a beauty pagent? Why?! B/c the teacher was in one. My child kept their B grade but but learning what? Beauty pagent and their popular teacher. I voiced my opinion about it and it was like I said nothing. So we can talk all about the parents that don't give a crap and don't support their children and those children are the ones acting out. Be here I am. I support my children, I am there for them they keep their grades up and where does that leave me???? The same place as those parents that don't give a crap. My children are going through the same crap I did 10 years ago. And with the State Testing. I think all teachers and district officials should take that test and see how well they do. But besides the test that is why my daughter will be attending Tech next year. I do give credit to those teachers that do try and that have been their for a while but then you have one like the pagent teacher that really only cares about herself and her students on a personal level and only feels the need to teach when it's convient to her. I want my child to learn more. My child has the will to learn and the grades to prove it. And I work a 40 hour week, single with 2 children so don't bash every parent out there. B/c I make the effort with my children. I am there but some of these teachers need to go. The ones that teach, good for them.
I'm not bashing every parent out there, and I was a single dad who raised my 2 children from the time they were 5 and a newborn, I did it for 16 years.
My current wife raised her 2 children as a single parent as well for 9 years.
Everyone keeps blaming the state for the DSTP testing. It has absolutely nothing to do with the state it is federal. Most teachers hate the testing because they spend their class time teaching for the test.
How many teachers are there at SHS, are they all bad? Probably not but you focused on that one teacher.
Did other parents complain about the same subject matter that was being taught in class?
Not making excuses, perhaps what happened was the teacher explained the importance of speaking in a grammatically correct manner and used her pagent as an example.
Nobody asked me down to the guidence office either, 40+ years ago, I went their on my own, their has to be a personal effort on the students part as well.
FYI: All we got was brochures also so there was no special treatment for our daughter because her mother teaches. Parents have to do the leg work selecting a college for their child. Guidence counselors are more than happy to recommend colleges etc based on what the student wants,and most have no problem writing letters of recommendation for students either.
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| I will respond to a few comments. And I am ONLY speaking for myself not everyone else. I graduated in 98. In the 4 years I was in SHS never was I once asked down to see a counselor about my future. I went down myself a few times and all they game me was brochures. And those times I was down there there were no other students in their offices, they were empty. And I can't speak for those parents that don't care and don't show up for there student conferences. In my case I show up more than I should and I am still disapointed. I have one in elementry school and one in SHS. My elementry student I am happy about, I feel bad b/c she will be in the middle school next year. I remember my trouble I had with it and my oldest child. Now here my oldest child holds a B average. But for example in her english class last year she mostly learned about how it was to be in a beauty pagent? Why?! B/c the teacher was in one. My child kept their B grade but but learning what? Beauty pagent and their popular teacher. I voiced my opinion about it and it was like I said nothing. So we can talk all about the parents that don't give a crap and don't support their children and those children are the ones acting out. Be here I am. I support my children, I am there for them they keep their grades up and where does that leave me???? The same place as those parents that don't give a crap. My children are going through the same crap I did 10 years ago. And with the State Testing. I think all teachers and district officials should take that test and see how well they do. But besides the test that is why my daughter will be attending Tech next year. I do give credit to those teachers that do try and that have been their for a while but then you have one like the pagent teacher that really only cares about herself and her students on a personal level and only feels the need to teach when it's convient to her. I want my child to learn more. My child has the will to learn and the grades to prove it. And I work a 40 hour week, single with 2 children so don't bash every parent out there. B/c I make the effort with my children. I am there but some of these teachers need to go. The ones that teach, good for them.
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SeafordParent wrote: "Where is it written that public high schools are supossed to be only for college prep?"
well you know in my day, that is the way it was AND IT WORKED. people started tinkering with the formula and look what we have gotten as a result. we need to be back to tech schools for tech kids, cause those jobs STILL do exist, high schools for the college bound, business schools for those also going right to work. those were nice once upon a time. my mother went to a business school. she had friends that went to the prep school and friends who went to the tech or should i say trade school. and guess what, those people were part of "the greatest generation".
again we got away from that and look what we have now. foreigners taking the high paying and lowest paying jobs in our country and people poor or in between struggling because the education system is low scale or off its rocker!
i asked my neice who still attend shs. how many times have you talked to your guidance counselor about your future? the answer: none. she said they dont even do a lot of one on one time with students regarding these things. they just hold big assemblies for college and job slection and that suffices. they only call seniors down for conferences. i find that sad. my guidance counselor called me down at least once every year to talk about things way back when and I never personally had to seek them out.
once again people have changed the formula and i wish it was the way it used to be...different levels, no state tests and people who actually cared about students. because, you don;t see it now. and almost everyone and I used the word almost notice agrees with my point of view. wed love to come and voice it but everyone in important positions in this district seems to be deaf or have their own agenda
In my day (I graduated in the 60s) it wasn't that way we had general study, college prep and vocational trades all in one school.
Should we go back to when they had home economics as well which basically told female students their only role in life was to be a homemaker, barefoot and pregnant?
Foreigners taking the highest paying jobs?
I find that very hard to believe, highest paying jobs require an education, the same education that any US citizen can get if they want to apply themselves. Most would rather make excuses and balme everyone and everything else than accept their own responsibility for where they are in their life.
Foreigners taking the lowest paying jobs, well at least they are willing to work rather than sit their butts at home collecting a welfare check.
Why haven't your nieces parents gone to the school to speak to the guidence department ? Guidence counselors now have 150-200 + students to work with to discuss their future plans. Our youngest daughter graduated from Milford HS this year, she had the same types of conferences you mentioned with her guidence counselors. She is already attending FSU she started 2 weeks after she graduated. She is already having her first finals. Students by the time they are graduating should have some level of self motivation instead of looking to be coddled and led by the hand.
Teachers don't care ? What an irresponsible statement, most care a hell of a lot more than the students parents do themselves. Go to a parent teacher conerence night and see how many parents don't care just by the sheer numbers of ones who NEVER show up once in 4 years of HS, to talk to their childs teacher.
My wife has kept statistics over 8 years and less than 5% of parents ever show up, for parent teacher conferences. That's roughly 7 parents for every 150 students (average number of students a teacher has).
Many parents never even return phone calls when she calls to speak to them about issues with their child. Teaching is a thankless job, far to many students aren't respectful and many of the parents, are just as bad.
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"Where is it written that public high schools are supossed to be only for college prep?"
well you know in my day, that is the way it was AND IT WORKED. people started tinkering with the formula and look what we have gotten as a result. we need to be back to tech schools for tech kids, cause those jobs STILL do exist, high schools for the college bound, business schools for those also going right to work. those were nice once upon a time. my mother went to a business school. she had friends that went to the prep school and friends who went to the tech or should i say trade school. and guess what, those people were part of "the greatest generation".
again we got away from that and look what we have now. foreigners taking the high paying and lowest paying jobs in our country and people poor or in between struggling because the education system is low scale or off its rocker!
i asked my neice who still attend shs. how many times have you talked to your guidance counselor about your future? the answer: none. she said they dont even do a lot of one on one time with students regarding these things. they just hold big assemblies for college and job slection and that suffices. they only call seniors down for conferences. i find that sad. my guidance counselor called me down at least once every year to talk about things way back when and I never personally had to seek them out.
once again people have changed the formula and i wish it was the way it used to be...different levels, no state tests and people who actually cared about students. because, you don;t see it now. and almost everyone and I used the word almost notice agrees with my point of view. wed love to come and voice it but everyone in important positions in this district seems to be deaf or have their own agenda
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Seaford parent,
Where is it written that public high schools are supossed to be only for college prep? That is but one part of a public high school. I do agree that kids that aren't or have no desire to attend college have fallen through the cracks.
As far as teachers doing their jobs, most in fact do their jobs. Building character and overall discipline, isn't part of an educators curriculum, that's a parents job.
That is the big problem with today's parents they think a teacher is a "psuedo parent" and somehow it is an educators job to teach a student the values that they should be learning at home.
A teacher is only responsible for interacting with a student maybe 6 hours a week. Perhaps parents should have to attend as many required classes as teachers do throughout the year. Maybe then some parent would discover that they are a bigger part of the problem then they admit.
As far as "state testing" it is a federal program the NCLB Act, that mandates states to conduct the testing like Delaware's DSTP.
We have a generation of excuse makers and they have learned it from their parents:
"Don't accept any personal responsibility for your shortcomings or actions, blame it on everyone and everything else."
I've yet to go to an open house or parent/teacher night at school where refreshments snacks aren't served. There is also an opportunity to talk to teachers, other parents at that time.
My experience has been that less than 5% of students parents ever attend these types of events. This is based on 20 years of attending parent teacher nights and open house at schools.
Teachers are there, administrators are there, so why aren't the other 95% of the parents , they can't all be "to busy."
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OK....The board president "tried" to get people together......why don't we get people together? Maybe we can do it a better way. I agree with Torino....getting educators/parents/(hey students, too)......a huge picnic with food, activities everyone can enjoy, coordinating & planning.......these things bring people together.
I agree with your solutions, Seaford Parent:
1) Alternatives to education in our area are needed. The traditional system is not working for everyone. What can WE do to find/provide alternatives for those in need? Tech schools should teach trades! but public schools need to educate the diverse population, not just college prep......which leads to...
2) Rules & regs need to be followed by ALL! no deviations. Ship them out...but where? back to #1 other alternatives...how do we find/provide them? Yes, more focus needs to be on teachers to do there job correctly. (see # 4)
3) State tests!! don't get me started!!! Do you know ANYONE who likes them? thinks they are a good measure of a student's ability? thinks they can predict the future success of a student/person? Principals "get sucked up" into tests scores because they have to. I think we all agree discipline and character are by far more important measures of a person's success/ability. Our hands are pretty much tied up on this one. Is there anything we can do to change the importance of state tests?
4) Replace older administrators......we just have to wait on this one. Lets hope we get dynamic people who want to make "sweeping changes".........I like to think our older administrators were dynamic in their time.
As that saying goes, let's be proactive not reactive.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 11:31 pm |
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if i think of anything else i already said ill let you know...
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 11:30 pm |
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well the board president here tried ot get people together but of course few people showed up and most complained about the time.
i have spilled my solutions in this forum forever so I don't feel i need to repeat myself again and again. what i think it comes down to is a few simple things
one, this area needs greater alternatives to education. scope and groves just aren't enough and i said before enough times that tech is not taking who it should take. if traditional systems are not working then those that need alternatives need to go somewhere to get them or actually be accepted where they wish to go. i repeat, a technical school is supposed to teach trades and a public high school is supposed to be for college prep. it does not look that way in any school in this county.
two, rules and regulations actually need to be followed by all parties in schools to the letter they are written and not deviated from for any reason. if a kid has taxed the discipline system ship them out. and more focus needs to be put on teachers not doing their jobs correctly
three, stop worrying about testing at schools and focus on character and discipline and a childs future. principals get too sucked up into testing and school rating that they forget that other things cause those kids to do bad on tests then what they are learning in a classroom
four, replace older administrators with dynamic people who desire and wish to direct sweeping changes. i hate hearing about how good district admins are in other sussex county school districts from my friends at work. particularly those who rave about IR and Cape.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 10:20 pm |
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Would it be possible to have a huge educator/parent picnic of things that parents and educators would want to see....a conversation back and forth among all, as well as coordinated planning... and food to make all want to come and relax! 
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 09:59 pm |
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| We all know where the problems are coming from. We are all intelligent people on this forum. Why don't we collectively try to come up with some solutions. What can we do ( if anything) to change student/parent attitudes? I am willing to give it a try....let's brainstorm ideas! (Or am I just being an idealist?)
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 08:02 pm |
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| It all rests at the feet of parents. Think back to when parents began taking school teachers and administrators to task, and even court, because they applied rules that little Johnny and Susie didn't like. The youngsters were not accustomed to obeying their parents on any level and were not about to cave in to school authority figures. Their parents sometimes took really long steps to ensure that the kids didn't have to conform to established rules of authority, because doing so "took away from their individuality, and unfairly limited their freedoms of expression." The situation has simply worsened over time to the conditions we see today. They have raised a wonderful bunch of future leaders of the country, haven't they? Last edited on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 08:03 pm by Two Cents
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 07:15 pm |
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| well thats when the public school system in this country should start standing up and telling parents that their kids arent going to be attending their schools if they keep behaving like they do, it is as simple as that. people who tell someone to go f*** in an employment setting lose their jobs. time schools start holding kids to the same standard. i dont care if the idea of public school is to provide kids with a free and compulsory education. what use is it when it cannot do it sensibly and similar to any other situation these kids would experience when they become adults? that is where things have failed in recent years.
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| I totally agree. I don't condone those parents that let their children out looking that way. Apparently they allow it because they do the same. Like I said before. I am all for uniforms in school. But if students have uniforms then the teachers should have a uniform to. I applaude the teachers that have taken that kind of abuse from students. Those students should not be aloud in class rooms with those actions. I am coming from the side where my child actually enjoys going to school but gets the short end of the stick with students that act that way and then the few teachers that are that way. It's a different story when you have a student that is enjoying school but gets the short end of the stick sometimes.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 11:37 am |
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I have been reading this topic and I have never seen so many "parents" blaming everyone else for students behavior.
My wife teaches and has been told to go F*** herself more times than I can count. That's not language that she uses.....
You talk about a teachers attire...what about the way parents dress, what message does that send their children.
What message does it send when a parent doesn't even know who their kids friends are, or have never even met the parents of their childrens friends.
What message does it send when parents don't even bother to go to parent teacher conferences, or return calls to the teacher.
What message does it send when teenage girls are allowed by their parents to walk out the door in the morning with their tops barely covering their nipples while the rest of the breast is pushed up and spilling out of their top. That's certainly more distracting than one teachers attire.
Take a look at the parents of the students who are the trouble makers in any school. There is always 2 types; the ones that are exactly like their children, and the elitist ones who threaten to sue the school if their children aren't given special favors. The apple never falls far from the tree.
You can't blame it all on 1 or 2 teachers in a school district, they only have your children for 1 hour a day for 180 days a year.
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Posted: Wed Jul 9th, 2008 08:58 pm |
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| Thank You. When the negative ones are removed then there will be more students/parents wanting to attend sms and shs. With SHS, how can the students concentrate when you have some teachers the way they are. And I am all for the uniforms for students. What about the teachers. Some problem teachers like to wears things that show. No wonder the boys like to go to certains classes the way they do. I'm glad to see one teacher move on, he needs to take his spouse and he knows it. Like before the more stricter teachers are not liked but they get a good lesson from their class. There will always be negative and positive. It's a part of life. But when the negative comes from the people that are supposed to be role models then there is a problem. The one teacher still at shs doesn't have any morals. When you like your students and keep them as close friends outside of school then what is that teaching the kids? They go to school to learn and make friends their own age. Times have changed. All you see on tv now a days is teachers and students. What happened to learn out of school books.
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 09:40 pm |
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yeah well i love bantering with all of you about this but the facts are clear. there are enough people in this community who wont send their kids to sms or shs because of the negative. so once again eliminate the negative then the problem will be solved.
once again i have to say it is nice to actually read board minutes and see expulsions happening. that shows progress in eliminating the negative. now if you could step it up a little more. and dont say that doesnt solve everything becausei know it does not. i would love to see some of the negative pointed into appropriate alternatives. no one has been smart enough to figure those out yet which i find strange. there was some nice talk at those 2 meetings held at Trinity way back when. where did all that go?
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 11:57 pm |
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| You are exactly right! And he needed both the negative and the positive
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 10:49 pm |
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Thankfully someone came forward. When things in any organization are "known" but there is no proof or no one will take the risk and come forward, what can be done?
Whichever student/staff member who came forward should be praised as doing a great service and protecting our children.
That is a positive step - someone doing the right thing although it may cost them initially.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 10:26 pm |
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most things in an ideal world can become part of the real world. if that werent the case then how did edison invent the lightbulb? it was an idea!
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| In an ideal world, we can elimimate the negative. However, this is the real world so let's try to turn the negative into positive as often as we can.
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| I agree! Good job to all the students that are making a difference and are committing theirselves to school work and the comunity. But those good things don't cover up the fact for a few teachers. I'm sorry, there is one now who has left, well the other one should go. You don't need to go to class and hear about beauty pagents and those experiences and for the boys, they need to concentrate on school work and not if their teacher will see them later out of school. I am glad Seaford High is getting in the papers more, that's great but like said before all this good wont cover up the other!
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i apologize teachers for being so negative but it is too easy. yes i am certainly glad kids are doing things positive and that they need to be promoted but it still wont be enough to offset the negative. you need to eliminate the negative element completely not balance it out with positives and that is something that is just not done at all. it is something that most ignore rather hoping it will go away than actually dealing with it!
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Don't glorify teachers, that is the problem, glorify the students for what they are capable of! Facilitators are our jobs, not behind desks, around them!
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Posted: Fri Jun 20th, 2008 05:34 am |
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| Unless they leave school at 2:30 and choose to ignore the emails requesting their help, and close their ears when calls for support are being asked for over the announcements, and ignore the emails in their mailboxes.... not sure how they could miss it... but you are exactly correct, less lipservice and more positive action would make a difference! Publicity in the newspaper is only one way of showing the positive energy in the district, motivation from home, neighbors, and other teachers is a huge area that helps stdents grow and gravitate toward success!
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 02:28 pm |
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| The power of positive thinking. Thank you educare!
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 02:16 pm |
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Thank goodness there are other people who believe hard work and commitment are needed from everyone; lip service is not getting the job done. Thank you Beach Bum for writing a positive note. Hopefully all who read it will "sign up."
beach bum wrote:
SHS has been getting lots of positive publicity in the past few years due to the hard work and commitment from students, teachers, parents, and community members. This positive publicity needs to continue. There are a lot of good things going on at the high school and all of our schools that many people are not aware of. We need to continue to focus on all the positive things in our schools and our community. More students, parents, teachers, and community members need to become involved. Everyone has something to give. Just think how much more we could do if we all participated in the many activites that are happening in our community!
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 01:56 pm |
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SHS has been getting lots of positive publicity in the past few years due to the hard work and commitment from students, teachers, parents, and community members. This positive publicity needs to continue. There are a lot of good things going on at the high school and all of our schools that many people are not aware of. We need to continue to focus on all the positive things in our schools and our community. More students, parents, teachers, and community members need to become involved. Everyone has something to give. Just think how much more we could do if we all participated in the many activites that are happening in our community!
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 12:17 pm |
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| How is the information disseminated throughout the high school? Not sure everyone is aware of the opportunities available to ALL students who would want to participate; not everyone has access to computers to get the info. There are teachers who are not aware of some of the volunteer opportunities. Help them become more active in the projects.
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Posted: Thu Jun 19th, 2008 11:42 am |
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Their choice! However, I choose to stay with a winning school team! Thanks to all the students and parents that have pitched in to make their school so much better this year! It has been a pleasure being an educator with so many exciting things going on in the school! I wish we had the help of more parents, but the students are showing they are the true leaders along with a supporting high school admin, thank you!
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Erin William was Awesome, AWESOME, we will miss here greatly....what a play director! WOW! However, have you seen the students from PAVE in the newspaper? Three years have gone by, and Seaford students have been in the paper 25 times in three years due to Relay, PAVE, Learn & Serve, and Oral History Projects....as well as for WRITING grants, themselves! That is only these four organizations ALONE....NO SCHOOL has had as much community involvement as Seaford, GO BLUE JAYS!
Don't forget Governor's Award nominations for the last TWO years in a row due to community Service! Rob Palmer, Kate Baltz, and this year Christina Stevenson! Wait until you see this year's Pave director! There will be HUGE spread of what pave is at http://www.seaford.k12.de.us/es/hbrake in a few days, check it out to see how active our Seaford students are and how many students participate willingly, and are motivated to give back to the community! Wait until you see the next five articles about what students are doing over the summer! Greatness cannot be stopped, and we have some well motivated and directed opportunities for the last three years, those that have chosen to make a difference are being rewarded constantly!
Attachment: Leader on Soroptomist.pdf (Downloaded 3 times)
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shucks. i heard she was excellent. why do the good ones leave?
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| Ms. Erin Williams resigned and went to Milford.
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English Teacher - (HS) possible vacancy
June 25, 2008
i think we have our answer...thats a start for change. 2 down, many more to go
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| Not sure what he is doing...
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