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| arent we all gossiping when it comes down to it? but hey no one wants to listen to my complaints in person and do anything so this is just easy
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SeafordParent wrote: i believe that person is saying that they made their opinions known and that is how they have been proactive. frankly when they fall on deaf ears i cannot understand how successful they are.
Also, it depends how proactive he is by the individuals he decides to talk to. Some might think it is just gossip.
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Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 10:34 pm |
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| i believe that person is saying that they made their opinions known and that is how they have been proactive. frankly when they fall on deaf ears i cannot understand how successful they are.
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SeafordCO2008 wrote: Oh I am and want to be proactive. I have made my opinions well known. I just don't want to be identified as or accused of being you or anyone else in here so I can lose my job!  Because you know as I do that such things could happen
I am confused! How can that be proactive?
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Posted: Sun Apr 5th, 2009 02:16 pm |
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| Oh I am and want to be proactive. I have made my opinions well known. I just don't want to be identified as or accused of being you or anyone else in here so I can lose my job! Because you know as I do that such things could happen
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SeafordCO2008 wrote: Well, I have been around longer than you realize. All I know is that writing anything defaming or deriding in here is really not worth it and does not help. I prefer to stay neutral and positive, upbeat and patient. Neutral does not work. People need to take action. We have theee students and parents. We have an administration that may not be the team that can turn the school around. So we should just give up , stand back, be patient, and let things happen naturally. Welll that has gone on long enough. We (teachers, law enforcement, administrators, and community) all need specialized training. We need to meet with the experts from districts that experienced the same thing. Basically, the citizens of Seaford are putting the safety of their families and property at risk. We are teaching the majority of the students, we are not enstilling morals and values in these students, and we are losing these students. Once they drop out, they are free to roam the streets. Seaford should be a small, quaint, rural community, but in fact; it is becoming a ghetto with crack alley's boundries widening. Facts are facts and it is not about defaming anyone. One, two or a few people cannot make this work. It takes a group with numbers. This would be a positive direction for SEA to take instead of the Mickey Mouse stuff that they focus on. People, you need to wake up. Education is more than a job, it is a lifeline of a community.
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| I think Y'all need a movie theatre in Seaford.
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Posted: Sun Apr 5th, 2009 01:56 am |
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| Well, I have been around longer than you realize. All I know is that writing anything defaming or deriding in here is really not worth it and does not help. I prefer to stay neutral and positive, upbeat and patient.
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SeafordCO2008 wrote: All right then you try to become principal and see if you can do any better. Otherwise, quit complaining and let nature take its course. I personally put more blame on parents these days for the problems teachers face. They do not work with us, they work against or do not work at all then want to blame us. That is all I need to know!
Why don't you people spend your time complaining about them? Maybe then those posts will get in the paper and they will get the message! I think you misunderstood. There was no complaining in my post. These are facts. Complaining does no good at all. So it does not work for the teachers to complain about the parents at all. The reason we have such a large percentage of inappropriate parents is because the city of Seaford sold out to Section 8 housing. The community leaders are at fault and ruined the profile of the community. You give up a lot when you go into the housing business. Yes, we have bad parents and some horrible kids. The kids are not really at fault because they had no choice at the type of world that they came into and they cannot pick their parents. Previous principals embraced these kids, showed them that they cared, made house visits, and personally made calls home. Six years ago, we had parents show up for activities and volunteer. There are bad students and bad schools all over the United States, and there are people that are making a difference. It could be done in Seaford but not with the administrative attitude. It's not their job! You are new to the staff, but there was a time when the principals and teachers made home visits and hospital visits for the kids. It did help.
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Posted: Sat Apr 4th, 2009 10:39 pm |
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All right then you try to become principal and see if you can do any better. Otherwise, quit complaining and let nature take its course. I personally put more blame on parents these days for the problems teachers face. They do not work with us, they work against or do not work at all then want to blame us. That is all I need to know!
Why don't you people spend your time complaining about them? Maybe then those posts will get in the paper and they will get the message!
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The SHS administrative situation is a sad state of affairs. I personally do not know how the SHS principal walks through the front doors each morning. It takes guts, He makes a long drive down to Seaford knowing that most of his staff and his student body does not support him, they do not respect him, they don't believe him, they do not trust him, and they think he is incompetent. That is a lot to walk into daily. Personally, I would not have that strength. There are days when he does try, but it fails. He could walk on water and it would not change anyone's mind.
There are a few supportive people, but they just happen to be personal friends of his and it is difficult to tell your friend how bad things are. The school board should offer to buy out his contract or give him an attractive severance. He might have a chance with a new school if he would learn from his mistakes. It is ok to make mistakes if you learn from them. The issue at SHS is that he has burned too many people.
Some days when I am upset with him, I try to imagine his world and working in this type of environment where 90% of the comments being made about him daily are negative.
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| Your statement is a little ironic. The SHS principal always says in meetings "The parents are sending us their best!" "This is what we have to work with..." Sad but true, this is about the most guidance we get from the high school principal.
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| Sorry folks i dont think there are plans for a change at the high school. the current principal is under contract for next year and from what we hear has no plans on leaving. schools do the best they can with what they are sent. the parents need to step up and be parents for kids. Last edited on Sat Apr 4th, 2009 03:10 pm by blue-jays 1
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| oh no not more inbreeding! find someone from the outside to be the main principal. send the one back to the classroom or guidance whatever might help and keep the other one that actually wants to do some good in the school. or how about promote him? my niece says hes the best one anyway cause at least he tries to do something about the kids.
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That's considered a "shake up"? Sounds like irresponsibility to me...
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| New principal and promoting an existing assistant principal.
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SOS wrote: Now, let's be nice. Can anyone validate the rumors about the administrative shake-up planned at the high school?
What's the shake-up supposedly consisting of? Obviously, I have not heard about this!!!
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| Now, let's be nice. Can anyone validate the rumors about the administrative shake-up planned at the high school?
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I don't know, why don't you read your user name and reflect
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| Where'd everybody go??
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SeafordParent wrote: no I dont think you heard right. one, the person that did this was 19 and not in school. two the message came across before state testing not during.
point is why friday? state testing had been on for more than a week. the reason was it was friday. again this was just kids being stupid mimicing something they say happen earlier in the week.
In any event, whoever did it needs to rot in jail for a little while. The schools now have to go back and make up for the time that was lost. That costs money. So for the 5 school districts that lost out on Friday, the schools should calculate how much money was wasted by the loss of instructional time, cafeteria work and so on and this guy should have to pay it... for all 5 school districts. I didn't hear if the same guy was responsible for all of the schools being disrupted, but regardless, the punishment for that type of behavior should be having to pay for the monetary losses that occurred as a result of the time lost.
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no I dont think you heard right. one, the person that did this was 19 and not in school. two the message came across before state testing not during.
point is why friday? state testing had been on for more than a week. the reason was it was friday. again this was just kids being stupid mimicing something they say happen earlier in the week.
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SeafordParent wrote: all i am going to say is why am i not surprised what happened today happened? tell me why? we are witnessing the downfall of society here
Keep in mind that 5 school districts were effected!!!
Well, when they do away with state testing, this will stop.
I heard on a radio update from WBOC that state testing had started and that's when all this occurred.
Obviously, those that did this weren't that bright. They didn't want to take the state test, so they said, lets do this and get out of it... well, I guess they didn't think it through and now they will have plenty of time to think as they await the results from the judge!!!
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| all i am going to say is why am i not surprised what happened today happened? tell me why? we are witnessing the downfall of society here
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what i read this morning...
"Public schools must make discipline a priority"
The push for rigor in education reform with regard to merit pay, testing and accountability is wasted without equal energy applied to public schools' discipline problem.
This is the only way to address the frustration a Red Clay District administrator captured during a community meeting Wednesday when he wondered why more school officials and police showed up than parents to discuss alleged gang activity and fights at H.B. du Pont Middle School bus stops.
What the Colonial School District felt forced to do after a January shooting, can't be sustained over time either.
Keeping a victim home for his and the safety of other students in a case of retaliation assaults, is an understandable, but ultimately, inadequate response.
The cost of challenging lawsuits by angry parents will be pitted against other budget priorities as the state tries to swim out the current recession.
Still, in an annual Phi Delta Kappa/Gallup Poll on attitudes toward the nation's schools, the public consistently ranks discipline among the top three "biggest" problems.
But first we have to dispense with reactionary advice born out of valid fears, unproven traditionalism, personal prejudice and general ignorance about the complexity involved.
For example, punitive zero tolerance policies need to be balanced with alternative corrective approaches, including those outlined in the state's anti-bully policy.
We need to remove blinders about the presence of gangs, as a growing outside influence on school grounds.
Primarily, we need realism about parents' responsibilities and abilities.
Some states require parents to take discipline classes before offending students can return to school. Others partner with community organizations that offer successful intervention programs. And some get the courts involved to find required family services.
Online Monday our Opinion page begins a discussion on "School Fights and Brawls: What will it take to keep your kid safe? (See below.)
Using the recent community-meeting as a jump-off point, we invite readers to offer innovative ideas and recommendations in the story chat that follows.
Be part of a full-court press to bring rigor, rather than more rancor, to the most disruptive challenge to public education.
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whocaresanymore wrote:
The responsibility does fall on the schools to act as society police. We have to make the "good citizens of tomorrow". Granted, I'm talking about the students here, but still, we are the ones that get the most criticizing if students are unfit for the real world.
Maybe if the school (any school, just not Seaford) did have nights where informally the parents could come in as a "class" and share ideas and ask questions, the bridge between community and admin could be re-established. You could have different "classes" at different times of the day so that parents can't say "well, I had to work". The only thing would be that everyone would have to put their pride aside and be willing to take some possibly pretty rough comments or questions, but be able to give feedback. If the community would feel some ownership over what is actually going on in the schools, then maybe they'd care a little more, or so you'd hope.
Who is doing the criticizing the parents themselves, claiming teachers aren't doing their jobs. All anyone has to do is look at teachers own children, to see that the allegation is not true.
I agree with some of your comments and thoughts but there is an old saying "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink"
Schools are dealing with many parents who are from the "ME" generation it's all about them, not their children....a few meetings will not change the mentality. The current state of our school system did not fall to its knees overnight and it certainly will not be corrected in any quick fashion either.
Lack of confidence on the parents part in regard to many school districts is the absurd budgets with many adminstrators earning 6 figure salaries asking for more money for student needs and then when the money is approved the students never reap any benefit, because the money gets used for Admin raises.
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wrldlanguages wrote: SeafordParent wrote: ok so heres is what i do not get. they have had these family night events the last year or so at the hs and they always have fun students and faculty sports games and helpful sessions and such. why dont they ever have a session titled what you can do as parents to help us succeed? are they afraid of telling parents bad things or giving them the dose of reality? or is it that really only a certain class shows up for these events in greater numbers?
Why is it the schools responsibility to act as societies police ? That's what social services groups are for. There are plenty of free parenting skills classes offered starting at infancy. Couple in the fact that many parents don't even take enough interest to show up for parent teacher conferences it would more than likely fall on deaf ears anyway.
I'm not sure just what "class" of people you are referring to please explain.
The responsibility does fall on the schools to act as society police. We have to make the "good citizens of tomorrow". Granted, I'm talking about the students here, but still, we are the ones that get the most criticizing if students are unfit for the real world.
Maybe if the school (any school, just not Seaford) did have nights where informally the parents could come in as a "class" and share ideas and ask questions, the bridge between community and admin could be re-established. You could have different "classes" at different times of the day so that parents can't say "well, I had to work". The only thing would be that everyone would have to put their pride aside and be willing to take some possibly pretty rough comments or questions, but be able to give feedback. If the community would feel some ownership over what is actually going on in the schools, then maybe they'd care a little more, or so you'd hope.
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SeafordParent wrote: ok so heres is what i do not get. they have had these family night events the last year or so at the hs and they always have fun students and faculty sports games and helpful sessions and such. why dont they ever have a session titled what you can do as parents to help us succeed? are they afraid of telling parents bad things or giving them the dose of reality? or is it that really only a certain class shows up for these events in greater numbers?
Why is it the schools responsibility to act as societies police ? That's what social services groups are for. There are plenty of free parenting skills classes offered starting at infancy. Couple in the fact that many parents don't even take enough interest to show up for parent teacher conferences it would more than likely fall on deaf ears anyway.
I'm not sure just what "class" of people you are referring to please explain.
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ok so heres is what i do not get. they have had these family night events the last year or so at the hs and they always have fun students and faculty sports games and helpful sessions and such. why dont they ever have a session titled what you can do as parents to help us succeed? are they afraid of telling parents bad things or giving them the dose of reality? or is it that really only a certain class shows up for these events in greater numbers?
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Hate to burst your conspiracy bubble. Milford and Cape went through similar "security measures" yesterday. Teachers at Cape had to report early today for a meeting and both schools are in lockdown during the DSTP's.
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Who knows what is going on with "Larry" and the boys now. No, it is not Santa Claus coming to town; it is DOE. All of a sudden today, the crowd control cues were put in place outside of the administrative suite. Then dark paper was applied over the window so no one can look inside of the administrative suite. Doc came in and had "Larry" and the boys follow him into the secured area.
Who knows what is going on now. Is this the "Homeland Security" version of DSTP test security? Is this a new look for DOE?
Who is in that room with the tests? What are they doing to the tests? Why are they hiding behind closed doors with a covered window? You know teachers are not allowed to cover the windows in their doors, unless there is a Code Blue.
Maybe "Larry" and the boys are doing Code Blue drills in the administrative suite (geography is not a strength). You never know in Seaford what goes on behind closed doors.
Who we gonna call: "Test Busters!'
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| We were notified today that DOE would be visiting the SSD during DSTP testing. With DOE watching us, hopefully we won't do anything silly. Maybe the new cameras are for the administrators to check on DOE's location in our buildings. Between the walkie/talkies and cameras, the administrators should be able to keep track of them.
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SOS wrote: There have been five 911 calls from teachers in the last two years for incidents that have taken place before, during, and after school. The before and after school time periods are usually administration free. In all five situations, teachers' jobs were in jeopardy and letters placed in their personnel files.
A follow-up to my bus example; we do not have telephones outside of the building and would have to leave the situation unattended (another letter in the file). Most of the time, after the buses pull out of the lot, the teachers are locked out of the building. If someone is in the cafe or the music rooms, we can get into the building without walking around the entire building. Teacheres are given a card-key for entry into the building through north and south entrances.
5 calls in 2 years......Cape had 5 in one week last month. Teachers don't even have phones in their classrooms,(lucky you) they are expected to carry and use their own personal cell phones, at their expense ........
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| This definitely sounds to me as if the teachers are taking on too much of the burden for the shortcomings of your school. You probably have a strong union to protect those teachers I suppose.
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There have been five 911 calls from teachers in the last two years for incidents that have taken place before, during, and after school. The before and after school time periods are usually administration free. In all five situations, teachers' jobs were in jeopardy and letters placed in their personnel files.
A follow-up to my bus example; we do not have telephones outside of the building and would have to leave the situation unattended (another letter in the file). Most of the time, after the buses pull out of the lot, the teachers are locked out of the building. If someone is in the cafe or the music rooms, we can get into the building without walking around the entire building. Teacheres are given a card-key for entry into the building through north and south entrances.
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Speaking from experience, it is not good for a teacher to call the cops themselves!You get in trouble. I did in 1999 when I was frustrated with my admin who was ignoring discipline problems. I called the local county police to come and press charges on 2 students for repeated disturbing the peace. Fortunately, I kept my job.
I agree with some things I read here, the law is never fully executed properly in a school. If it were, we'd have fewer criminals in society because they would learn now what the judicial system or even prison (juvenile hall) is like. You see it on TV when teens are held by police, they whine like babies!
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| Aren't the teachers at Seaford trained to dial 911?
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| The cameras could be used to monitor "Larry" and the boys. They should be in the hall every hour on the hour. Hopefully, they have the bus lot covered, because there are days when we do not have an administrator with us. They have the walkie-talkies. If something happens with just teachers, we cannot get help. I guess the teacheres are SOL.
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SOS wrote: She is correct. They are located throughout the public areas in the ceiling. You can see them. We were first told that it was going to be kept a secret, but that changed. It will be great if they monitor the film. With the old system, the film was never monitored. Eventually, students started vandlizing the cameras.
HAHA, new cameras...
The kids don't care. They know that the footage isn't really being taped!!! Cameras in Seaford = empty threat.
There are too many little nooks and hiding places in that building that cameras can't see, and the kids know where they are. That's how they have kids having sex in the building. I know the stage and backstage area is a great place for the kids to go. They can get keys to the auditorium to go get things from a room on the stage and no one goes with to supervise. Yes, the auditorium is locked, but when the teachers give them the keys to go to this room to get stuff, I think those teachers should be held accountable.
As for gladtogetaway's comment, yeah, these 70 degree days are definitely going to push the girls to wear skirts and smaller tops... I'm just guessing that "Larry" is lookin for some eye-candy, so he's gonna let alot slide tomorrow at school!!!! Why else would certain students be able to get away with what they wear, but others can't. This also has happened, certain students did get in trouble for wardrobe, but for others the admin just looked away and "didn't see it".
It's kinda like the hoodie/sweatshirt/jacket debate. The admin never enforced anything and the teachers saw this, so they didn't either. Why should the teachers be the bad guys all the time?
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Posted: Sun Mar 8th, 2009 03:49 am |
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| I will be pleasantly suprised if the footage is monitored. Perhaps it will allow the administrative staff to notice the big problems going on while they focus on enforcing the dress code for half the school population.
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| She is correct. They are located throughout the public areas in the ceiling. You can see them. We were first told that it was going to be kept a secret, but that changed. It will be great if they monitor the film. With the old system, the film was never monitored. Eventually, students started vandlizing the cameras.
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| so my neice tells me that cameras were put in the school while the kiddies where off this week. wow i mean there already were cameras in the school that werent ever used, what are the odds these will actually be used for any good? you cant do anything right without them what makes you think having them will make things better?
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| SOS, if you work with me at the high school, you better get your purple sheet back and sign it as "not returning" cause that seems to be the better course of action for you. The only support to the status quo I give is to not be as negative as you!
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SOS I have never substituted in the Seaford School District. My wife is a fulltime high school teacher though at Cape and taught fulltime in MA.
As I already stated I don't like the method you choose to use to spread your message. It's one thing to criticize a persons work ethic or lack thereof, it's a whole new ballgame when you attack a persons family. Quite frankly when I see or hear that happen red flags go up. Then you post a comment like this which is in essence a threat and bullying I have to really question what your true motives are.
"If things start to head in a positive manner with positive and professional support, I will back off."
YOU demand professional support.
That reeks of hypocrisy on your part given your very unprofessional course of action you chose to undertake.
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Bluesman: You stated that you are a substitute teacher. From your comments, should we assume that you substitute for the high school? If you were actively involved at the high school, you would know that these things are true. Here is a little history: a group of us have talked to the administration of the high school; we have talked to their immediate supervisors; and we have talked to members of the school board. The ball has been dropped. Last spring we went to Gov. Minner and Secretary Woodruff. We were politely told that they did not have any jurisdiction over the management of the school district for these types of concerns, and we were directed back to the district. Please share with us if you have voiced your concerns and how were they received.
Again, we talked to the administration. Promises were made at the beginning of the school year, and we all tried to be supportive. It was short lived. A mistake has been made. Good teachers should not be promoted because of their classroom abilities.
This forum is getting some attention. More attention than was received by going through the proper channels. Within the last couple of days, the administration started speaking to the staff in the halls, instead of just walking by them while standing at their doors. If things start to head in a positive manner with positive and professional support, I will back off.
I am happy for you and your children that you raised them properly. You probably had good role models who raised you. You did what parents are suppose to do, but in Seaford; that is a rare event. We can't kick everyone out. Yes, there are alternative schools, but each school district only gets so many slots and there is a waiting list. So what should we do?
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Posted: Fri Mar 6th, 2009 05:31 pm |
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| SOS will have a comeuppance soon Blues.
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SOS wrote: That is why we all live in America. We all have a voice.
Civility.....look it up.
No self respecting person talks about someone elses family members in the way you do, dragging someones mother into this......lacks class by anyone's standards. if the people are as bad at their job as you claim they allegedly are then let the case you are presenting stand on those facts alone.
You don't drag someones personal life into the argument unless you are willing to be honest and devulge your true identity, so that you can be scrutinized as well.
You are right we do live in America where everyone has a right to know their accusers, as well.
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| That is why we all live in America. We all have a voice.
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