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Posted: Tue Dec 4th, 2007 09:50 pm |
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| There is also a FLYOVER at Seaford High on Thursday; 9:30 a.m. (ish)! The entire student body and faculty are to report to the football field around 9:10 a.m. Then there will be a tour of the high school.
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Posted: Tue Dec 4th, 2007 02:44 pm |
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| The flyover is at Blades Elementary, where two 3rd grade students came up with the idea to petition (after learning about petitions in Social Studies) Captain Willy to come to their school. They had everyone sign the petition, came up with a skit, made a video, and sent it in, and now he's going to fly over. What is the problem with that? Lighten up. Your negativity amazes me.
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Posted: Mon Dec 3rd, 2007 11:33 pm |
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ok so I am hearing that there is going to be some wboc helicopter fly over this week? are they crazy? first youre gonna have all those kids go out at once next its december and all I have to say is brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
they really arent gonna improve anything over there by wasting valuable class time waving in the cold to a helicopter
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Posted: Thu Nov 15th, 2007 11:07 pm |
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No I tried to post the link to the high school staff website so whatever student who said they didnt know who was still teaching there could go and find out who they think was bad. would be nice to know who sucks at the school.
I ask just want to know you kids think who is not doing their job well at the school so I know we are all on the same page! ive got names good and bad i just want to make sure we agree
and it is all too easy to generalize the behavior of teenagers these days. the overwhelming majority of them are 10 times worse than my day and days since. its nice to know you are "weird" but you are part of a large minority like my girls.
i not against my son i am against those who influence him whom i never was able to keep him away from. we live far enough away from seaford now though the kids havent changed
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Posted: Thu Nov 15th, 2007 02:46 am |
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What is there to answer? The last comment you posted that had anything to do with the article was that there was a website (that you never gave) where we could voice our opinions about specific teachers.
And just to let you know I am more responsible than the majority of kids these days. I hate it when people generalize lumps of people together because of their age, ethnicity, or religion. I know for a fact that most teens would call me weird because I do not drink or do drugs.
I would like to say that it is good to hear that you are proud of your daughters, but it seems like you really have it against your son. I am not saying that you are, but I think you should know that is how it sounds (at least to me).
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Posted: Thu Nov 15th, 2007 12:30 am |
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yoo hoo angry students you never answered my question! where are you?
i get a little tired of youths these days who cannot fully explain themselves and when they explain why they cant they go and blame someone other than themselves. that is my son for instance. my daughters accept responsibility for their own actions.
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Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 01:27 pm |
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educare no problem at all it is all in good fun....
The fog has pretty much burned off here, and the sun is attempting to break through. You have a great day as well.
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Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 11:47 am |
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Ooops! Sorry about that. If you submit another phrase, I promise not to answer. Have a good Wednesday (fog and all)!
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educare you nailed it perfectly. It was aimed at Cr Voter, but that is fine.
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Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 12:33 am |
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| educare you nailed it perfectly. It was aimed at Cr Voter, but that is fine.
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Posted: Tue Nov 13th, 2007 11:57 pm |
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In the good old days, children like you were left to perish on windswept crags.
Was I close? Not sure to whom this was directed or if it was just more light humor.
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CR Voter wrote: Think how tough it must be for Spanish speaking people around the world. I know what you mean though, there is Classic and Church Latin. In High School I had teachers who taught both, I found out after 4 years that I was far more educated in both by having diverse teachers.
You have a unique opportunity to learn classic Spanish and American Spanish, enjoy it.
TEST how good is your Latin:
Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimis exponebantur ad necem.
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Posted: Tue Nov 13th, 2007 07:19 pm |
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CR Voter wrote: Think how tough it must be for Spanish speaking people around the world. I know what you mean though, there is Classic and Church Latin. In High School I had teachers who taught both, I found out after 4 years that I was far more educated in both by having diverse teachers.
You have a unique opportunity to learn classic Spanish and American Spanish, enjoy it.
TEST how good is your Latin:
Antiquis temporibus, nati tibi similes in rupibus ventosissimis exponebantur ad necem.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12th, 2007 06:43 pm |
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educare,
I assumed you were part of the system by your forum name. Many states have now implemented the requirement that a teacher neds to get a Master's Degree within 5 years of the start if their teaching career. The frustration is at every level as you well know, and because of the different ages involved everyone (usually  ) reacts differently.
There is definitely a problem with the public education system and until we leave the politics of government out of any and all discussion nothing will be resolved.
Whether we like it or not federal and state government funding aid is necessary.
The undercurrent movement of "the babyboomers" who received their educations, are the very people who now want to see the public education system dismantled.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12th, 2007 06:24 pm |
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Bluesman......thanks for the apology and I get the concerns of the teaching profession as well as the frustration from students, parents, and school officials. I am a part of that system. I absolutely enjoy my students and look forward to going to school every day. I am not afraid to say there are problems but hey, look at our government; decision makers? I don't see people wanting to "change their pay" according to how well they do with the political arena. If that were the case, we would have less politicians and more money for the education system. When teachers' raises become a reflection of the success in our schools, not sure how many prospective teachers we will have. More people should take the time to "really listen to the students and their real life experiences."
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Posted: Mon Nov 12th, 2007 06:12 pm |
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educare wrote: I have tried to follow this forum from the onset of the "letter by a recent high school graduate" and now find that the topic has taken a turn. Putting personal emotions and "digs" into serious concerns of student education, does not resolve the issue. There are board meetings and other educators that can be approached. If we as a community are truly concerned, those are the places to vent. Our young people, our children, are the topic of this subject; not adults or whomever you both are. Your personal issues should be handled outside of this arena and hopefully not in a court room. Take the education system to the court room, that was the initial topic.
Educare please accept my apology, for my part in what you had to read.
I have been posting in this topic for awile as well, and everytime I do this is the result of me expressing an opinion, by the same 2 people.
I have a rather unique situation, I am the spouse of an educator and I have been elected and served on a public school board (not in the state of Delaware, since we only moved here last year.)
I have in the past offered my opinions from that perspective. That is all I was attempting to do when I responded to posts made by voiceofanalumn and newtruth.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12th, 2007 03:32 pm |
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| I have tried to follow this forum from the onset of the "letter by a recent high school graduate" and now find that the topic has taken a turn. Putting personal emotions and "digs" into serious concerns of student education, does not resolve the issue. There are board meetings and other educators that can be approached. If we as a community are truly concerned, those are the places to vent. Our young people, our children, are the topic of this subject; not adults or whomever you both are. Your personal issues should be handled outside of this arena and hopefully not in a court room. Take the education system to the court room, that was the initial topic.
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Punky wrote: You have attempted to discredit Father Pat's name and my faith. While in the process, you have unknowingly discredited yourself. Whatever background check you've had, did not reach into your soul, where it really counts. Unfortunately, with each of your posts, more darkness and bigotry is revealed. Why would anyone not be concerned that such a person is employed by a Sussex County School District as a substitute teacher? Out of respect for Father Pat, I will not respond further.
I will be more than happy to continue this with you, if you like, in a Court of Law in Delaware. Your personal opinion (which is all assumption as we have never met) of me has absolutely NO BUSINESS in this forum.
It would be in your best interest to stop your relentless and continued personal attacks against me, my job, and my music profession.
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Bluesman wrote: Punky wrote:
Father was a mentor, a friend, a respected Priest, and I'm sure he's praying for you, because of your crass post. God Rest His Soul.
What I am aware of, is (as per the crass post) substitute teachers should be investigated in more depth, prior to being placed in a childrens' atmosphere.
He obviously made a great impression on you.
You don't even remember how to spell his name, impressive.
I don't need YOU or anyone from any religion that covers up pedohiles praying for my soul. You and they should be praying for their souls instead. Obviously none of the Godly values that he tried to bestow upon you had any effect. All anyone has to do is look at your posts and see how far you have strayed from the flock.
As far as a background check I am subject to the same thorough background check as any other teacher, in the United States (which I passed with flying colors I might add.) I am also cleared through a FBI national background check to go into any public school in the country in conjunction with a national music program I'm involved in.
NOW we both know you do in fact send and receive private messages.
IF YOU TRULY cared about this forum, a REAL man would settle differences PRIVATELY.
You have attempted to discredit Father Pat's name and my faith. While in the process, you have unknowingly discredited yourself. Whatever background check you've had, did not reach into your soul, where it really counts. Unfortunately, with each of your posts, more darkness and bigotry is revealed. Why would anyone not be concerned that such a person is employed by a Sussex County School District as a substitute teacher? Out of respect for Father Pat, I will not respond further.Last edited on Mon Nov 12th, 2007 01:28 pm by Punky
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Posted: Mon Nov 12th, 2007 12:56 pm |
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Punky wrote:
"Father was a mentor, a friend, a respected Priest, and I'm sure he's praying for you, because of your crass post. God Rest His Soul. What I am aware of, is (as per the crass post) substitute teachers should be investigated in more depth, prior to being placed in a childrens' atmosphere."
He obviously made a great impression on you.
You don't even remember how to spell his name, impressive.
I don't need YOU or anyone from any religion that covers up pedohiles praying for my soul. You and they should be praying for their souls instead. Obviously none of the Godly values that he tried to bestow upon you had any effect. All anyone has to do is look at your posts and see how far you have strayed from the flock.
Your "awareness" is nothing more than your own bigoted and very assumptive distorted views, and NOTHING more than that.
As far as a background check I am subject to the same thorough background check as any other teacher, in the United States (which I passed with flying colors I might add.) I am also cleared through a FBI national background check to go into any public school in the country in conjunction with a national music program I'm involved in.
LEAVE ME ALONE as you were told to do on several occassions. (just like I was told to leave you alone, and I have).
The ONLY 2 people the majority of this forum have a problem with is you and your co conspirator LCR/CR Voter/Lyle Jr.
It's like name du jour with the 2 of you.
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Bluesman wrote: Punky wrote:
CR.......I certainly miss Father Shoales' (sp?) Latin Masses at Holy Cross. The 2 years of Latin I studied were more valuable than I thought they ever would be.
then you are well aware what a vociferous rectum is then.
No, I am aware that this Priest was a Jesuit, living near Hartly for a number of years. He passed away a couple of years ago, and was in his 80's. Once a month, he said Latin Mass at Holy Cross Church in Dover. We also looked forward to his saying Mass at Immaculate Conception Church in Marydel, MD. He was a joy and a comforter to many of us. He was fluent in speaking Chinese, Japanese, Latin, and ministered to the poor in China in his younger years. He was a part of Operation Help, which originated in California, and spent a lifetime helping the poor. Father was a mentor, a friend, a respected Priest, and I'm sure he's praying for you, because of your crass post. God Rest His Soul.
What I am aware of, is (as per the crass post) substitute teachers should be investigated in more depth, prior to being placed in a childrens' atmosphere.
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newtruth wrote: I would agree with your statement Bluesman
Newtruth
I apologize for the 2 stalkers that decided to follow me into this thread to derail it. Hopefully with everyone's efforts we can keep this post on focus.
The loudest complainers are the ones with no children in the school systems, or have never enrolled their children in a public school because they are too "elitist."
These are the very same people who want to see the public education system dismantled. They claim the children of America aren't entitled to an education, that education isn't the goverments responsibility. Let them get an education by paying for it themselves and not with tax dollars.
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Punky wrote:
CR.......I certainly miss Father Shoales' (sp?) Latin Masses at Holy Cross. The 2 years of Latin I studied were more vaulable than I thought they ever would be.
then you are well aware what a vociferous rectum is then.
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I would agree with your statement Bluesman
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CR Voter wrote: Think how tough it must be for Spanish speaking people around the world. I know what you mean though, there is Classic and Church Latin. In High School I had teachers who taught both, I found out after 4 years that I was far more educated in both by having diverse teachers.
You have a unique opportunity to learn classic Spanish and American Spanish, enjoy it.
CR.......I certainly miss Father Shoales' (sp?) Latin Masses at Holy Cross. The 2 years of Latin I studied were more vaulable than I thought they ever would be. Last edited on Mon Nov 12th, 2007 02:47 am by Punky
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newtruth wrote: I've not personally had a problem with deciding what words are nouns, etc. My problem with foreign languages would be that in Seaford there are three spanish teachers that know three different dialects. For example: Swartzentruber knows a latin american dialect, specifically the region around Ecuador, while Bayon knows the dialect from Spain. I had all three of the Spanish teachers and it was difficult to change from one to another.
Just try and draw from the cultural experience of having the different dialects all under one roof.....
When I took Spanish 30 years ago I had the same problem. One year I had a teacher who was basically the standard hard rolling "R" dialect, the next year the teacher was from South America and her dialect was the "R" was now like a lisping "TH" it was a tough transition at first.
Further explaining what I meant about the grammer my wife finds as an example the students don't even know how to conjugate a verb, in their own language "English."
In order for them to understand the concept in Spanish or French they first have to understand the concept in their own language.
Would you agree, that knowing all the grammatical differences of English made it easier for you in Spanish ?
My wife grew up in Italy and she has family who live in Bologna, and Sardania.
When we travel there I still amazed at the different regional dialects, even after 6 years.
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Think how tough it must be for Spanish speaking people around the world. I know what you mean though, there is Classic and Church Latin. In High School I had teachers who taught both, I found out after 4 years that I was far more educated in both by having diverse teachers.
You have a unique opportunity to learn classic Spanish and American Spanish, enjoy it.
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I've not personally had a problem with deciding what words are nouns, etc. My problem with foreign languages would be that in Seaford there are three spanish teachers that know three different dialects. For example: Swartzentruber knows a latin american dialect, specifically the region around Ecuador, while Bayon knows the dialect from Spain. I had all three of the Spanish teachers and it was difficult to change from one to another.
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SeafordParent wrote: oops website did not show well at least you can comment on who is not all that great on shs just go to the website and name some people
and why are we arguing nclb here that has nothing to do with anything really. i think of the system failing cause the kids are failing. i have 2 great girls sure but my son is a wreck. pop culture and more importantly video computer games have consumed his life and there is not much that can be done about cept take them away yes but he can go anywhere to play them. parents and students have to take some blame for the failures of education not just the system. shs cant tell kids and parents what to do at home and niether can nclb
Fantastic post! As a parent I couldn't agree more!
My point about the nclba was just to address what the young lady was stating that she wasn't prepared for college. I was of the impression she felt the teachers were responsible for what she DIDN'T learn which isn't the case.
One of the biggest problems my wife encounters in teaching foriegn language is students don't know the difference between verbs,nouns, adjectives, adverbs, etc even in English sentence structure.
This makes it extremely difficult for them in foreign language.
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oops website did not show well at least you can comment on who is not all that great on shs just go to the website and name some people
and why are we arguing nclb here that has nothing to do with anything really. i think of the system failing cause the kids are failing. i have 2 great girls sure but my son is a wreck. pop culture and more importantly video computer games have consumed his life and there is not much that can be done about cept take them away yes but he can go anywhere to play them. parents and students have to take some blame for the failures of education not just the system. shs cant tell kids and parents what to do at home and niether can nclb
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If that is the belief you wish to hold I will respect your right to that belief.
I however don't agree with your viewpoint, on a few levels.
Bush took a gamble....it just depends what someone personally believes that decides which side of the fence Bush ends up on.
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| So the Bill that was passed by Congress was written with Ted Kennedy's staff and he was on the podium when it was signed into law. Bush's big mistake was trying to come out of the gate showing a spirit of bi-partisan cooperation. Oh well, at least he tried.
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CR Voter wrote: Actually the Act was written by Ted Kennedy, not George Bush.
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No Child Left Behind is ONE of the greatest failures introduced by the Bush Administration.
We have had this discussion before and the original form of the NCLBA was penned by a Representative from PA (R).
His version wasn't as palatible to Congress for a number of reasons, and yes Ted Kennedy did in fact help to write the bill that was passed.
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Actually the Act was written by Ted Kennedy, not George Bush.
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No Child Left Behind is ONE of the greatest failures introduced by the Bush Administration.
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The whole concept behind the NCLBA was to crush the public education system of America. There never was any funding to support the program even at its inception. If a major corporation were to use the NCLBA as a business guideline they would be bankrupt within 5 years.
Those in the education field call it the All Children Left Behind Act.
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You know now that you've brought it up the No Child Left Behind Act may be the cause of many of the issues i have with the school system. The focus that is put on the children that need more assistance learning hurts the other students.
I am not saying that we shouldn't be paying attention to the students that have a harder time learning, I think instead there should be programs that tend to the needs of each group of students. In my experience there are three major groups of students: those that fall behind, those that excel, and those in the middle. I know it would be difficult to address the needs of all of the groups individually but I would hope that there is some way to remedy the problem.
No Child Left Behind is ONE of the greatest failures introduced by the Bush Administration. I think the idea was good but the implementation was poor. If they expected more funding to help those who have difficulty learning than maybe they should have figured out a way to FUND the program without taking away from the rest of the student body.
Bluesman wrote: voiceofanalumn wrote: Seaford Parent, I'm glad for your girls that they felt that Seaford was enough for them, or felt the need to not comment on it, but I am also sure that Academic Challenge helped. I am a Seaford Alum, class of 06, and I agree 100% with the article written in the newspaper.
Although I am away at school, I have heard about this article from several different sources, including the student who wrote it.
Seaford High School did not prepare me for college classes. I was in Academic Challenge all the way through, and I am happy that the Seaford School District provided me with that oppertunity, but I dont think that counts as fully preparing students for college. There were many many students who were not in AC, but were within the top 10% of our class, who were not well prepared when they left Seaford. There were several teachers who were an exception to this rule, but sadly, most of them have retired, such as Cannon, Atlas, and Malley. There are two or three other exceptions who are still teaching at SHS, but they are in the minority.
It always seemed crazy to my group of friends and I that we were taking/had already taken, every AP course Seaford offered to us, and we were bored. We didnt have
homework, we had very little reading assigned to us. The homework and papers we did have were not taken seriously. There were some teachers that we knew didnt actually read what was written, just looked at the length, and our proof of this was a friend who wrote an entire page in the middle of her paper saying "If you actually read this, I will buy your lunch" Not only was it never mentioned, she got a 100 on the paper. Other teachers set their standards at the lowest level, and those of us who were above that level never had to put any effort into anything.
I keep thinking about the fact that during our graduation, the speaker stood up, and said "What do I say to the class that knows everything, other than Good Job...G-double O-D-J-O-B Good job good job!" He then wanted everyone to say it with him. Beyond the fact that I was discourged that this was our GRADUATION speech, I was shocked by the amount of people on the stage with me who were trying to say it with him, and COULDNT!
How is it that students who were about to recieve their diploma could not spell the words "good job"?
When I came to my college, I felt that I had to work harder than anyone else did, partially because Seaford never taught us any study skills. We never had anything that we needed to put the effort into. Now, as I saw you commented on the other students grades, yes my grades are also good. I just have to work for them, and I have to work harder than a lot of other people.
I see this specifically within the language areas. I took Spanish the entire time I was at SHS, and I came to college level Spanish classes and found out all of the things that I SHOULD have been learning while I was in high school. As an international relations major, I feel that this has given me a major disadvantage.
Now, almost done my first semester of my sophmore year, I am hearing about more and more people who graduated with me who are back in Seaford. People who felt that they were not well prepared for college, and decided to go back to Seaford and attend Del-Tech. I cant see how this does not have a negative effect on the districts reputation.
What you may not be aware of is that curriculum that is taught in schools today, is not what the educators want to teach.
It is what they are MANDATED by Federal and State laws under the farce program known as the "No Child Left Behind Act"
My wife is an educator, prior to teaching she was an interperter for the United Nations. She taught in Massachusetts prior to us moving here to Delaware last year and she now teaches in the Woodbridge School District. She teaches French and Spanish, and has dual masters Education and Languages.
She grew up in a family of educators both her father and mother were college professors at Dickinson college. They are all in agreement as are most other educators the NCLBA is the worst blow ever dealt to public education.
Why would any government believe, or want us as citizens to believe, that lowering the national standard of education to the equivelent of a 10th grade level is beneficial to us as a nation?
It's all about numbers and making the program (which is a waste of taxpayers dollars) look like it is working. And on paper it does in fact look like a stellar track record.
BIG PROBLEM is real living and breathing students like you and many others are experiencing first hand what a massive failure the program really is.
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heres the staff website let them know if they are bad or good then that way everyone can know who the problems are and have it settled
newtruth wrote:
In response to what you said about what I wrote:
I completely understand that DSTP results have nothing to do with college. I was just looking at the performance levels between the schools. I agree that the DSTP is not effective. It causes the teachers to follow strict guidelines and teach only for the test.
She stated that she has difficulty writing. I believe what she means by this is that her English classes did not prepare her.
Another point is that the information you learn in high school is supposed to prepare you for college. If you do not have the background information you can feel lost.
Her main point was to attack the system. Obviously the system is what causes teachers to slack and not care. She probably doesn't completely blame the teachers as much as you think she does.
In response to what you said about the other comment:
You and I agree that this forum shouldn't be used to attack people. So if there were more specifics on the issue don't you feel that would be attacking teachers?
And I am quite sure that there are other great teachers still in the school. Take, for example,
Mr. Percival-wonderful teacher, makes you do the work
Mr. Fisher-cares about the students and their progress, works with them to improve
I really can't tell you who else because I dont know who else still works at Seaford. It is hard to thank people inside the system if you dont know if they are still there.
When you say that some of her teachers are saddened with what she had to say I am quite surprised. I'm sure some of them knew how she felt about the school...she had been quite vocal about it in some cases.
If some people aren't happy with what she had to say, fine. It is her opinion. She knows that there were plenty of her peers that agree with her. So what if she is the only one who cared enough about maybe improving the system to say something about it.
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voiceofanalumn wrote: Seaford Parent, I'm glad for your girls that they felt that Seaford was enough for them, or felt the need to not comment on it, but I am also sure that Academic Challenge helped. I am a Seaford Alum, class of 06, and I agree 100% with the article written in the newspaper.
Although I am away at school, I have heard about this article from several different sources, including the student who wrote it.
Seaford High School did not prepare me for college classes. I was in Academic Challenge all the way through, and I am happy that the Seaford School District provided me with that oppertunity, but I dont think that counts as fully preparing students for college. There were many many students who were not in AC, but were within the top 10% of our class, who were not well prepared when they left Seaford. There were several teachers who were an exception to this rule, but sadly, most of them have retired, such as Cannon, Atlas, and Malley. There are two or three other exceptions who are still teaching at SHS, but they are in the minority.
It always seemed crazy to my group of friends and I that we were taking/had already taken, every AP course Seaford offered to us, and we were bored. We didnt have
homework, we had very little reading assigned to us. The homework and papers we did have were not taken seriously. There were some teachers that we knew didnt actually read what was written, just looked at the length, and our proof of this was a friend who wrote an entire page in the middle of her paper saying "If you actually read this, I will buy your lunch" Not only was it never mentioned, she got a 100 on the paper. Other teachers set their standards at the lowest level, and those of us who were above that level never had to put any effort into anything.
I keep thinking about the fact that during our graduation, the speaker stood up, and said "What do I say to the class that knows everything, other than Good Job...G-double O-D-J-O-B Good job good job!" He then wanted everyone to say it with him. Beyond the fact that I was discourged that this was our GRADUATION speech, I was shocked by the amount of people on the stage with me who were trying to say it with him, and COULDNT!
How is it that students who were about to recieve their diploma could not spell the words "good job"?
When I came to my college, I felt that I had to work harder than anyone else did, partially because Seaford never taught us any study skills. We never had anything that we needed to put the effort into. Now, as I saw you commented on the other students grades, yes my grades are also good. I just have to work for them, and I have to work harder than a lot of other people.
I see this specifically within the language areas. I took Spanish the entire time I was at SHS, and I came to college level Spanish classes and found out all of the things that I SHOULD have been learning while I was in high school. As an international relations major, I feel that this has given me a major disadvantage.
Now, almost done my first semester of my sophmore year, I am hearing about more and more people who graduated with me who are back in Seaford. People who felt that they were not well prepared for college, and decided to go back to Seaford and attend Del-Tech. I cant see how this does not have a negative effect on the districts reputation.
What you may not be aware of is that curriculum that is taught in schools today, is not what the educators want to teach.
It is what they are MANDATED by Federal and State laws under the farce program known as the "No Child Left Behind Act"
My wife is an educator, prior to teaching she was an interperter for the United Nations. She taught in Massachusetts prior to us moving here to Delaware last year and she now teaches in the Woodbridge School District. She teaches French and Spanish, and has dual masters Education and Languages.
She grew up in a family of educators both her father and mother were college professors at Dickinson college. They are all in agreement as are most other educators the NCLBA is the worst blow ever dealt to public education.
Why would any government believe, or want us as citizens to believe, that lowering the national standard of education to the equivelent of a 10th grade level is beneficial to us as a nation?
It's all about numbers and making the program (which is a waste of taxpayers dollars) look like it is working. And on paper it does in fact look like a stellar track record.
BIG PROBLEM is real living and breathing students like you and many others are experiencing first hand what a massive failure the program really is.
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| Thanks to the former SHS student - she certainly has us all thinking about it! Thanks to her for caring enough about Seaford to post her opinion!
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In response to what you said about what I wrote:
I completely understand that DSTP results have nothing to do with college. I was just looking at the performance levels between the schools. I agree that the DSTP is not effective. It causes the teachers to follow strict guidelines and teach only for the test.
She stated that she has difficulty writing. I believe what she means by this is that her English classes did not prepare her.
Another point is that the information you learn in high school is supposed to prepare you for college. If you do not have the background information you can feel lost.
Her main point was to attack the system. Obviously the system is what causes teachers to slack and not care. She probably doesn't completely blame the teachers as much as you think she does.
In response to what you said about the other comment:
You and I agree that this forum shouldn't be used to attack people. So if there were more specifics on the issue don't you feel that would be attacking teachers?
And I am quite sure that there are other great teachers still in the school. Take, for example,
Mr. Percival-wonderful teacher, makes you do the work
Mr. Fisher-cares about the students and their progress, works with them to improve
I really can't tell you who else because I dont know who else still works at Seaford. It is hard to thank people inside the system if you dont know if they are still there.
When you say that some of her teachers are saddened with what she had to say I am quite surprised. I'm sure some of them knew how she felt about the school...she had been quite vocal about it in some cases.
If some people aren't happy with what she had to say, fine. It is her opinion. She knows that there were plenty of her peers that agree with her. So what if she is the only one who cared enough about maybe improving the system to say something about it.
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well i was at the graduation cause one of my nieces graduated with you. yeah it was sad but it was graduation most kids arent going to participate with the speaker. they just want to get out of there
and you really need to tell us who did not assign reading to you in an AP class because my girls always had it. i have heard about English teachers in the past being lax and some of my girls were. not anywhere else however
and you are allowed to mention the two or three exceptions by the way who are still there. it wouldve been more prudent if that letter writer had been more specific and identified where she has problems with the school because basically that letter is an idictment that has many of her very own past teachers that are still there disappointed and saddened. if the good ones that are gone are the only good ones that may say something about what she really was focused on the whole time she was there
and anyway Atlas? ha I know how much extra credit that man gave just to inflate a low grade, why isnt that truth told. in a perfect world an AP student would earn the grade purely without a boost which cannon and atlas would sometimes provide believe me i know!
voiceofanalumn wrote:
Seaford Parent, I'm glad for your girls that they felt that Seaford was enough for them, or felt the need to not comment on it, but I am also sure that Academic Challenge helped. I am a Seaford Alum, class of 06, and I agree 100% with the article written in the newspaper.
Although I am away at school, I have heard about this article from several different sources, including the student who wrote it.
Seaford High School did not prepare me for college classes. I was in Academic Challenge all the way through, and I am happy that the Seaford School District provided me with that oppertunity, but I dont think that counts as fully preparing students for college. There were many many students who were not in AC, but were within the top 10% of our class, who were not well prepared when they left Seaford. There were several teachers who were an exception to this rule, but sadly, most of them have retired, such as Cannon, Atlas, and Malley. There are two or three other exceptions who are still teaching at SHS, but they are in the minority.
It always seemed crazy to my group of friends and I that we were taking/had already taken, every AP course Seaford offered to us, and we were bored. We didnt have
homework, we had very little reading assigned to us. The homework and papers we did have were not taken seriously. There were some teachers that we knew didnt actually read what was written, just looked at the length, and our proof of this was a friend who wrote an entire page in the middle of her paper saying "If you actually read this, I will buy your lunch" Not only was it never mentioned, she got a 100 on the paper. Other teachers set their standards at the lowest level, and those of us who were above that level never had to put any effort into anything.
I keep thinking about the fact that during our graduation, the speaker stood up, and said "What do I say to the class that knows everything, other than Good Job...G-double O-D-J-O-B Good job good job!" He then wanted everyone to say it with him. Beyond the fact that I was discourged that this was our GRADUATION speech, I was shocked by the amount of people on the stage with me who were trying to say it with him, and COULDNT!
How is it that students who were about to recieve their diploma could not spell the words "good job"?
When I came to my college, I felt that I had to work harder than anyone else did, partially because Seaford never taught us any study skills. We never had anything that we needed to put the effort into. Now, as I saw you commented on the other students grades, yes my grades are also good. I just have to work for them, and I have to work harder than a lot of other people.
I see this specifically within the language areas. I took Spanish the entire time I was at SHS, and I came to college level Spanish classes and found out all of the things that I SHOULD have been learning while I was in high school. As an international relations major, I feel that this has given me a major disadvantage.
Now, almost done my first semester of my sophmore year, I am hearing about more and more people who graduated with me who are back in Seaford. People who felt that they were not well prepared for college, and decided to go back to Seaford and attend Del-Tech. I cant see how this does not have a negative effect on the districts reputation.
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Ok, first of all you are crazy if you think DSTP results have any bearing on college. they are useless as a measure for that i can tell you especially since the only kids in any school who pass are the ones going to college to begin with. second, great she had help writing the letter that in itself is another flaw so revealed. third we all have to struggle. again I repeat those kids arent their discussing what they learned in high school
lastly if a forum is for not attacking people, then why attack a school they are people too! attack the system. the letter in the end had no focus on one point, and I have to tell you that several of the HS teachers I talked to, even some who had her, agreed!
newtruth wrote:
First of all, I am sure that as a seventh grader she was not aware of the option of academic challenge and, perhaps, her parents thought that Seaford would prepare her enough for college. Seeing as high school, especially the AP courses, are supposed to prepare you for college maybe she felt that they were not rigourous enough.
Secondly, if you look at the statistics for the Delaware State Tests the results for Seaford pale in comparison to those at tech, in some cases there are an average difference of 30 percantage points. If you would like to see the numbers here is a website: http://dstp.doe.k12.de.us/DSTPMart9/DistrictSummary.aspx
Next, it was an opinion piece not a research paper. If she wanted to write an article about the issue then she would have written it to be published as news. I am sure she has legitimate reasons for how she feels.
It has been in my experience in Seaford that some of the older teachers care more than the younger ones. Take both Malley and Cannon. Both were, because they are retired, teachers that made you think critically about the work.
Have you ever thought that the students that were unhappy with the school system would leave Seaford and disassociate with it? Maybe they don't write opinion pieces because they know they will be attacked because of their opinions. I have spoken with several teachers and students during my time at Seaford that feel the same way. I know it isn't isolated to her. As a matter of fact I know she consulted people about the piece. The reason it is so well written is because she had her friends look over what she had written and correct it.
And your right, her semester grades aren't that bad. But that doesn't mean that she didn't have to struggle to get them.
I also disagree with your statement that college isn't about discussion. Liberal arts institutions, like the one she attends, is mostly discussion. The professors don't like to lecture. If they did then they would have gone to a big state school.
Thank you.
And just as a reminder, the purpose of these forums are not to attack people, especially when those that you are questioning their abilities are not able to defend themselves.
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Ok, first of all you are crazy if you think DSTP results have any bearing on college. they are useless as a measure for that i can tell you especially since the only kids in any school who pass are the ones going to college to begin with. second, great she had help writing the letter that in itself is another flaw so revealed. third we all have to struggle. again I repeat those kids arent their discussing what they learned in high school
lastly if a forum is for not attacking people, then why attack a school they are people too! attack the system. the letter in the end had no focus on one point, and I have to tell you that several of the HS teachers I talked to, even some who had her, agreed!
newtruth wrote:
First of all, I am sure that as a seventh grader she was not aware of the option of academic challenge and, perhaps, her parents thought that Seaford would prepare her enough for college. Seeing as high school, especially the AP courses, are supposed to prepare you for college maybe she felt that they were not rigourous enough.
Secondly, if you look at the statistics for the Delaware State Tests the results for Seaford pale in comparison to those at tech, in some cases there are an average difference of 30 percantage points. If you would like to see the numbers here is a website: http://dstp.doe.k12.de.us/DSTPMart9/DistrictSummary.aspx
Next, it was an opinion piece not a research paper. If she wanted to write an article about the issue then she would have written it to be published as news. I am sure she has legitimate reasons for how she feels.
It has been in my experience in Seaford that some of the older teachers care more than the younger ones. Take both Malley and Cannon. Both were, because they are retired, teachers that made you think critically about the work.
Have you ever thought that the students that were unhappy with the school system would leave Seaford and disassociate with it? Maybe they don't write opinion pieces because they know they will be attacked because of their opinions. I have spoken with several teachers and students during my time at Seaford that feel the same way. I know it isn't isolated to her. As a matter of fact I know she consulted people about the piece. The reason it is so well written is because she had her friends look over what she had written and correct it.
And your right, her semester grades aren't that bad. But that doesn't mean that she didn't have to struggle to get them.
I also disagree with your statement that college isn't about discussion. Liberal arts institutions, like the one she attends, is mostly discussion. The professors don't like to lecture. If they did then they would have gone to a big state school.
Thank you.
And just as a reminder, the purpose of these forums are not to attack people, especially when those that you are questioning their abilities are not able to defend themselves.
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Seaford Parent, I'm glad for your girls that they felt that Seaford was enough for them, or felt the need to not comment on it, but I am also sure that Academic Challenge helped. I am a Seaford Alum, class of 06, and I agree 100% with the article written in the newspaper.
Although I am away at school, I have heard about this article from several different sources, including the student who wrote it.
Seaford High School did not prepare me for college classes. I was in Academic Challenge all the way through, and I am happy that the Seaford School District provided me with that oppertunity, but I dont think that counts as fully preparing students for college. There were many many students who were not in AC, but were within the top 10% of our class, who were not well prepared when they left Seaford. There were several teachers who were an exception to this rule, but sadly, most of them have retired, such as Cannon, Atlas, and Malley. There are two or three other exceptions who are still teaching at SHS, but they are in the minority.
It always seemed crazy to my group of friends and I that we were taking/had already taken, every AP course Seaford offered to us, and we were bored. We didnt have
homework, we had very little reading assigned to us. The homework and papers we did have were not taken seriously. There were some teachers that we knew didnt actually read what was written, just looked at the length, and our proof of this was a friend who wrote an entire page in the middle of her paper saying "If you actually read this, I will buy your lunch" Not only was it never mentioned, she got a 100 on the paper. Other teachers set their standards at the lowest level, and those of us who were above that level never had to put any effort into an | | |