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Discipline is sorely lacking at the high school. Very few of the rules are actually enforced. I knew many a teacher who did not care in the least if a student pulled out their cell phone in class. Eating and drinking in class were usually considered acceptable behavior as well. The lines of right and wrong behavior are very fuzzy and are entirely subjective on whose classroom a student is in. What's more, teachers who try to enforce the rules are treated with defiance. It is also hit and miss as to whether an administrator will actually be of any help in enforcing school policy. In some cases they will actually crack down. More often, the student is sent back to class with a warning to never do it again.
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SeafordParent wrote: whocaresanymore wrote: The thing is... the teachers are tough on them, they show them the door... the admin does nothing and then sends them back. If/when send them out of the room for behavior, they are not to send them back to your room... yeah, those guys just slap them on the wrist and send them back to you... so the kids are even more upset.
correct. a teacher told me a while back that the door to the area that used to serve as timeout is now locked and students dont tend to spend anytime in there, spending it if they get sent to the office out front with the secretary. what good is that? if youre already sitting in your office all day and dont want to deal with kids what good is that? really. if they are trouble and you dont want to time out them anymore, send them home. make a parent come and get them. you can legally do that! dont feel guilty about it.
kids are not dropping out at shs because you are punishing them. they are dropping out cause they are quitters and dont want to play by the rules. its not the schools fault so dont feel like you got to keep them in there and keep giving them chances!
You got it. I had kids that when I laid down the law, looked at me and said, I'm going to guidance. The next day I had the paper in my box stating that so-and-so was dropped from my class.
Way to go. Way to teach them that you can get your way in life if you cry about it. I was a tough teacher, kids failed in my room. Then again, this is the way their lives are at home... the get what they want, when they want it, no matter if it drives the family bankrupt.
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whocaresanymore wrote: The thing is... the teachers are tough on them, they show them the door... the admin does nothing and then sends them back. If/when send them out of the room for behavior, they are not to send them back to your room... yeah, those guys just slap them on the wrist and send them back to you... so the kids are even more upset.
correct. a teacher told me a while back that the door to the area that used to serve as timeout is now locked and students dont tend to spend anytime in there, spending it if they get sent to the office out front with the secretary. what good is that? if youre already sitting in your office all day and dont want to deal with kids what good is that? really. if they are trouble and you dont want to time out them anymore, send them home. make a parent come and get them. you can legally do that! dont feel guilty about it.
kids are not dropping out at shs because you are punishing them. they are dropping out cause they are quitters and dont want to play by the rules. its not the schools fault so dont feel like you got to keep them in there and keep giving them chances!
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TonyMontana wrote: whocaresanymore wrote: Unfortunately for Seaford, some students look forward to trips to the office because the kids are "in" with the admin and then nothing gets done about it.
are jou playin da race card ere chicano? i believe you but really that is what dey want to do. jou got a certain group of kidz who have no hope but jou gotta make it easy for them. that is wrong. you should be tougher on dem. if dey dont wanna play by the rulez, show dem the door!
Ha. No race cards..... Remember, both are represented in that office. And just because colors are different doesn't mean that the admin doesn't have their favorites.
The thing is... the teachers are tough on them, they show them the door... the admin does nothing and then sends them back. If/when send them out of the room for behavior, they are not to send them back to your room... yeah, those guys just slap them on the wrist and send them back to you... so the kids are even more upset.
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Posted: Sun Mar 22nd, 2009 07:25 pm |
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whocaresanymore wrote: Unfortunately for Seaford, some students look forward to trips to the office because the kids are "in" with the admin and then nothing gets done about it.
are jou playin da race card ere chicano? i believe you but really that is what dey want to do. jou got a certain group of kidz who have no hope but jou gotta make it easy for them. that is wrong. you should be tougher on dem. if dey dont wanna play by the rulez, show dem the door!
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Badmouthing things has become part of the society. I know I've said my share of things on this forum.
I do believe though that if the system wasn't so out of whack, people wouldn't have reason to bad mouth it. There are just so many things wrong on so many levels in that school that its not funny. I have first hand experience in the schools there, so I know alot more than most.
Good things: In the elementary schools they have very structured programs that the kids benefit from. The middle school is a decent transition ground with a great principal. The high school has wonderful teachers that try their hardest to deal with what they are given student-wise. Boys & girls club. Extra-curriculars are in place for kids to get involved in.
Bad things: The administration(minus a few) as a whole in all buildings and at central office. They have "plans" for certain teachers. The students are not pro-school, they don't want to be there during the day but after school you can't get them to leave. Kids aren't making the grades to be eligible to participate in the extra curriculars, unless their grades are tampered with by others so that they can be.
That's just a small sample of things that could be discussed. Obviously if I were to go on with the list, the bad would outweigh the good. I know we've have "positive events" posted on the board, but just because it says positive doesn't mean if has redeemed the district of negative things.
I honestly believe that for the district to regain some integrity and for it to be able to grow again in a positive manner, that some of the higher ups need to be replaced. Someone with some new ideas and a plan for success needs to come in. Someone that will put the academics before the extra-curriculars. Someone that will have a strict policy on detentions, suspensions, and so forth and actually stick to what it says. Someone who will create a dress code that all can follow and enforce it without question. Til the district finds a superintendent or principals that can adhere to this (I am under the belief that the middle school has the right one!), the district will remain in the condition it is in.
The students of the high school know the loopholes in the system and they know how to beat it as well. They can get the administration to the point of no answer and walk away saying... yep, I won. They know that if they are "friends" with the admin or have some connection to them, that they will be immune to stricter punishments (such as dress code suspensions). All of that needs to be stopped. If you have your administration looked at by the kids as the "bad guys" things could shape up. Unfortunately for Seaford, some students look forward to trips to the office because the kids are "in" with the admin and then nothing gets done about it.
There are policies and punishments in place for most things at the schools. It all just needs to be enforced with a zero tolerance attitude. Whether it's the student that is 1st, last or in the middle of their class. But as long as certain students are left to slip through the cracks and can get away with things, there is no zero tolerance and a new set of fresh administrators could tackle that project.
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3dogday wrote: "Parent",
If that's the kind of logic you apply, the "everybody else is doing it", it's no wonder societal problems persist.
It's parents like you that are the reason why teachers have such attitude problems with children in class.
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I wouldnt call my parenting into question since my older girls went thru the hs and were at or near the top of the class. i did not imply everyone else was doing anything, i believe i said everyone was already doing it before any of this started in this forum and that teachers should be able to badmouth since no one listens to them at work. i hope you are not an english teacher that would explain why our kids cant read and write and interpret things properly!
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"Parent",
If that's the kind of logic you apply, the "everybody else is doing it", it's no wonder societal problems persist.
It's parents like you that are the reason why teachers have such attitude problems with children in class.
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3dogday wrote: Wouldn't you be concerned for your job? Not necessarily for your speech, but if students stop going to your school because their parents overheard your comments, might you not be out of a job? It seems counter-productive to constantly bite the hand that puts food on your table.
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it doesnt take these teachers to bad mouth the school to keep parents from sending their kids to seaford. they were doin that before people started bad mouthing the school in here fyi! and why cant they bite that hand, it isnt really feeding them anything "nutritious", more like poisonous food 
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Bluesman, you make a cogent point about teachers (on this forum) complaining about Admin behavior but not hearing Admin complain about teachers. Relatives of mine worked at the former duPont plant in Seaford and if they were overheard talking negatively about the company, supervisors, or procedures, they were fired. On the spot. You would be walked to your area, watched while you cleaned out your belongings, walked to the gate, and escorted of off the property with a warning not to return.
Disloyalty is, according to the state codes, something that one can be fired for, as an educator. I must wonder about anyone who would take money from a business (school district) and then badmouth the company (school district) anonymously.
Wouldn't you be concerned for your job? Not necessarily for your speech, but if students stop going to your school because their parents overheard your comments, might you not be out of a job? It seems counter-productive to constantly bite the hand that puts food on your table.
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How do you spell "nitpick" ? (I am channeling Playing the Game )
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I'm sure some staff members would like to discus some Admins at times though and vice versa in many districts.......
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Bluesman wrote: whocaresanymore wrote: Not to defend anyone here, but typing mistakes do happen.
You hear what you want to type in your head and your fingers can only go so fast to catch up and you may miss a key or switch a letter or two every now and then...
Sometimes, teachers put spelling mistakes on tests just to see if the kids are paying attention. There are teachers that use their plans on their chalkboards like that. They write out everything and incorrectly spell certain things and see if the kids can catch it. I think it's a clever device to use, to see who actually is really looking and who is not.
Valid points and I agree. However "discus" and "discuss" are not mispelled, they have 2 completely different meanings.
Newszap also has spell check built right in and can be used.
Agreed, they are not mispelled... I used poor word choice when making my reply. I was thinking mispelled when I read it because it was meant to say discuss, but also knew that a discus is a track and field event... as I am a former track and field coach (not with Seaford however).
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whocaresanymore wrote: Not to defend anyone here, but typing mistakes do happen.
You hear what you want to type in your head and your fingers can only go so fast to catch up and you may miss a key or switch a letter or two every now and then...
Sometimes, teachers put spelling mistakes on tests just to see if the kids are paying attention. There are teachers that use their plans on their chalkboards like that. They write out everything and incorrectly spell certain things and see if the kids can catch it. I think it's a clever device to use, to see who actually is really looking and who is not.
Valid points and I agree. However "discus" and "discuss" are not mispelled, they have 2 completely different meanings.
Newszap also has spell check built right in and can be used.
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Not to defend anyone here, but typing mistakes do happen.
You hear what you want to type in your head and your fingers can only go so fast to catch up and you may miss a key or switch a letter or two every now and then...
Sometimes, teachers put spelling mistakes on tests just to see if the kids are paying attention. There are teachers that use their plans on their chalkboards like that. They write out everything and incorrectly spell certain things and see if the kids can catch it. I think it's a clever device to use, to see who actually is really looking and who is not.
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SOS wrote: How many of you attended the Guitar Hero & Battle of the Bands tonight? A school activity and also a community project (Relay for Life). It was obvious that Moe, Larry, and Curley were absent. Maybe they were looking for another conference, Lost in Space.
Now I will get serious, sorry for the humor; but it helps to ward off the negativity of the school climate. Administrators should be present at school events. Everytime their school is open and operating , they should be present. A secondary administrator's job description is no secret. It is a lot of hours and a lot of dedication. A lot of hours away from your family. If you do it correctly, it is your life. It is a big decision when you think of giving up your life and being with your children while they are growing up. But. . . .
Our administrators complain and discus openly how many hours they have to put in at the school, but it is part of the job. Most of the teachers arrive way before the administrator's in the morning. The high school principal always tosses out into a conversation how far he drives each day. He made the decision to take the position. The faculty frequently hears them say that we are hear all the time, but that is their jobs. True leaders never complain about how hard they work or how long they work. It is a fact in all industries or organizations that the ones in charge put in more hours.
Boys, you need to step up to the plate; you were the ones tht sought after these positions. The cliche, It is lonely at the top is true, but you need to be there to operate your school.
PTG nailed it dead on about you. You are an excuse maker.
Don't forget you as well chose your profession, you sought it out, now step up to the plate.
Negativity....you don't see calling the Admin "Moe, Curly, and Larry" as negative for the school. Are you so naive as to think students don't read these forums and more than likely know who the staff members are posting these comments. You are supposed to "lead by example" the same thing you continually complain the Administrators aren't doing.
"Our administrators complain and discus (sic) openly how many hours they have to put in at the school, but it is part of the job."
I would hope as an teacher you would know the difference between "discus" and "discuss".
You as a teacher complain in a public forum, about your Administrators I've yet to see any Administrator from your school district display the same type of behavior, complaining about the staff, including you.
I don't know how long you have been in a teacher, but education is no different than any other profession with the exception of the military that a healthy balance between the job and a personal family life can't be conducted in balance. Personally I think your views are a bit askew to say the least.
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Back Stage Pass 101
Battle of the Bands one example of ‘On the Life Training’
“Mr. Brake! We need receipts!” “Mr. Brake, change, did you remember change?!” “Mr. Brake, we need tables!” “Mr. Brake, did you see the last band?!” Time out!
Sounds like a classroom, right? This classroom takes on the shape of a stage, eight bands, and a crew of students larger than most 7 schedule days, which begins to let you in on the secret of The Battle of the Bands’ success. “The same questions asked become answered thanks to a group of well-organized and a motivated staff equal to none in the area”, states Aloha yearbook advisor Harry Brake.
For three years running, Aloha Yearbook’s Battle of the Bands revival has been a success due to the determination, creativity, and long-term planning on the part of students and staff alike to align what some students would say would the premier activity of being an Aloha staff member. Others would point to the photographs, the festivals, the interviews, or the design, (less would point to the car wash, barbecue, and individual fundraising), but through it all, students begin to adapt to the Aloha’s expectation of a higher than average need for success with an ailing economy and competitive market.
‘What do you do in Aloha yearbook?!” earns scoffs from the staff every time this question come up. Ignore the scowls and looks when you hear “You don’t do a lot in yearbook, right?!” Luckily, The Battle of the Bands, held yearly at Seaford High School affords the opportunity for the public to see what planning, creativity, and budgeting can do for a students, let alone a Yearbook staff. From phone calls, managing a Guitar Hero Contest, booking top and upcoming artists like Arizona Lives (who placed first at Battle of the Bands), to individual talents like Casey Mackenzie (who placed second at Battle of the Bands) and Midelin Jules (a talented rap performer who improv’d brilliantly Friday night), to reliable and exciting bands such as The AfterMath (a new group who placed third in Battle of the Bands), Overcoming My Curse (a developing and reliable group of artists committed to their rock), Max FightMaster (‘wicked’ guitarists, impassioned singer), Master Naz & the Funky Rockets (who were able to get some surprising reactions out of the crowd), Murder the Element (a rock/crowd mainstay to Battle of the Bands), to exciting talents from WillieBlakeDavis (that came out rocking with a positive message and a hard-hitting sound), you have a mix of some of the best elements for s successful night. Don’t forget last minute insert and freshman Phlegon Joseph who rocked intermission with some dance and a drum solo!
Events like Battle of the Bands are just one example of the lengths students are willing to go and will go for a successful event. Marketing, communication, accounting, budgeting, art, analyzing past events in history, countless PSA’s and advertising are only a few of the skills that are utilized within a 6 month period to put together Battle of the Bands. Students are expected to pull from all their courses to make such an event a success. Then there is the real task at hand, organizing a yearbook all year long, capturing a variety of organization, individuals representative of the whole school, funding an enormous budget, as well as recruiting and educating each other, so yes, Aloha Yearbook is NOT for the weak hearted, low motivated, or average individual looking for a fun club as the basis for being involved. Aloha Yearbook has become a class on life, learning, and lucrative. Giving back is not a stranger to the students of the Aloha yearbook, where generosity is the key element that fuels a successful staff. If students are looking for that class where they can sit back, have fun, and put forth little effort, students have come to the wrong place if they are looking for those expectations in the Aloha Yearbook. The philosophy of the Aloha Yearbook has always been to give back more than you receive, not meeting those expectations and being selfish with goals usually results in a chain of command shift. “I don’t have time” and “It’s difficult to get this done” aren’t acceptable in real life, and don’t happen in this organization, and will not is a valid excuse in real life, so why allow those to exist here?” “I am a stubborn person by nature, yet this staff does not take that, the true leaders persist and persist until they see a particular decision or goal is achieved, that is learning at its best. They push me as much as I want them to push for success.”
The variety of sponsors for Battle of the Bands, from local merchants like Money Mailer, Subway, Seaford Music, Save A Lot, Wal-Mart, Mid-South Audio in Georgetown, Pizza King, Hungry Howie’s (Can you believe it? Opposing companies and both committed!), 93.5 Local Produce, Wild and Crazy Productions, Herr’s, ASAP Screen Printing, all show that individual competition will not affect their commitment to the youth of today. Additionally, thanks to the support of judges comprised of teachers, rock band members, local business owners, and rock band critiques, it is nothing to see a Math teacher behind stage as well as helping judge to show their support of the talents brought to the stage from quality hard core metal groups like Murder the Element to soft, creating songwriters/singers like Casey Mackenzie. Parents by the name of Schwinn, Smith, and Stewart are only a handful that support the youth behind the scenes, and in the stands you will see a Mackenzie, Hunt, and Darden that are just another handful all allow their performers to be so successful.
Support of the students, their talents, and their creativity needs to occur at both school and home. By having the generosity of the parents both in attendance, and behind the scenes, we have fused a successful event second to none in the area. You will see a ROTC cadet at every door, holding all at order during this event, Key Club members spread out for crowd control, manning the Relay for Life table, as well as parents in the audience, behind the concessions, and photographing the event. Don’t forget the order of bands that needs to go on behind the scenes, water for the performers, capturing the video from the sound both, creating the current year’s shirt design, smooth operation of lights and sound, as well as handling that last minute performer that drops out and a replacement act needing to be inserted.
Ryan Budke and Brandon Rittenhouse MC’s for the evening, (Ryan a former student and performer while Brandon a band mate), volunteered to be a part of the Battle of the Bands for the third year running. “That’s where it is at, those questions at the beginning of the night, turn into questions of staff willing to volunteer to stay and clean up, help with an act next year, and lean toward more independent questions, so those questions are an investment and worth it!” Though seen early in the night exclaiming, “Wait! Too many questions, I am going schizophrenic!,” Mr. Brake admits he can always count on the reliability and ingenuity of a well-chosen Aloha staff member, the best staff he has seen since his four years at Seaford High School. “Willing to take a risk, willing to put their needs aside for another, giving back to the general public, these all equal a successful night!”
“Support for our youth comes from action, not criticism. Sure, I have had parents very upset that I spend so much time with the students and then fall behind on their grades, yet students need to realize both are a priority just as much for the student as to the teacher. I had a parent conference where I was laid out, mainly due to my procrastination with a specific grade…my fault no doubt…I fell into the trap of making excuse, etc, but did not remedy the problems with the expediency I should have. I did not like being in that position, but I respect her for fighting for her child, we need more of that! I was elated and excited to see her at Battle of the Bands, despite being in that former situation I loved the fact that she taught me what I needed to be an even better teacher! Life is about learning, not always pleasant, but it still remains.”
There is so much to say, a full page spread is not enough room, yet the Aloha Yearbook Staff is able to do so in all color print and video form this year. “Am I giving them all they need to know about life?” asks Brake. “No, they are learning how to adapt the skills they learn to real life? I would so who is the learner and who is the teacher?” Where do they go from here? Many surprises await the students of Seaford High School…a regular venue where bands can play off campus, some exciting developments in the Aloha Yearbook staff, (did we mention that the Aloha Staff TRIPLED their profit from the first year, continue to reduce their costs and amounts due, while increasing applications from 15 to 50?!), it’s easy to see there is some learning occurring in and out of the classroom…Welcome to Backstage Pass 101…
If you would like to be on the mailing list/email list for Battle of the Bands for 2009-2010, please forward your requests to Harry Brake @ harrybrake@yahoo.com to be a part of the 2009-2010 Battle of the Bands.
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I will post the highlights of the students achievements in an article I saw in a minute, but let me relate, all of the administrators made it clear they were supporting the Battle of the Bands. A funeral as well as plans with other school activities were the ONLY reason they were not present....BEFORE you make a claim, check your facts. Every administrator did make it clear via their phone numbers the evening of the event.....they took special care to clear the schedule, and DID stay in communication about this, also, they always congratulate the students on a job well done. There might be times they fall off of their duties, but they have always allowed students under my care the attention, discipline, and involving activities to stretch their wings.
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SOS wrote: How many of you attended the Guitar Hero & Battle of the Bands tonight? A school activity and also a community project (Relay for Life). It was obvious that Moe, Larry, and Curley were absent. Maybe they were looking for another conference, Lost in Space.
Now I will get serious, sorry for the humor; but it helps to ward off the negativity of the school climate. Administrators should be present at school events. Everytime their school is open and operating , they should be present. A secondary administrator's job description is no secret. It is a lot of hours and a lot of dedication. A lot of hours away from your family. If you do it correctly, it is your life. It is a big decision when you think of giving up your life and being with your children while they are growing up. But. . . .
Our administrators complain and discus openly how many hours they have to put in at the school, but it is part of the job. Most of the teachers arrive way before the administrator's in the morning. The high school principal always tosses out into a conversation how far he drives each day. He made the decision to take the position. The faculty frequently hears them say that we are hear all the time, but that is their jobs. True leaders never complain about how hard they work or how long they work. It is a fact in all industries or organizations that the ones in charge put in more hours.
Boys, you need to step up to the plate; you were the ones tht sought after these positions. The cliche, It is lonely at the top is true, but you need to be there to operate your school.
i cannot believe this but I am going to defend them on this one. they may have not been there last night as far as you know, but they are there for all other school events believe it or not!
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How many of you attended the Guitar Hero & Battle of the Bands tonight? A school activity and also a community project (Relay for Life). It was obvious that Moe, Larry, and Curley were absent. Maybe they were looking for another conference, Lost in Space.
Now I will get serious, sorry for the humor; but it helps to ward off the negativity of the school climate. Administrators should be present at school events. Everytime their school is open and operating , they should be present. A secondary administrator's job description is no secret. It is a lot of hours and a lot of dedication. A lot of hours away from your family. If you do it correctly, it is your life. It is a big decision when you think of giving up your life and being with your children while they are growing up. But. . . .
Our administrators complain and discus openly how many hours they have to put in at the school, but it is part of the job. Most of the teachers arrive way before the administrator's in the morning. The high school principal always tosses out into a conversation how far he drives each day. He made the decision to take the position. The faculty frequently hears them say that we are hear all the time, but that is their jobs. True leaders never complain about how hard they work or how long they work. It is a fact in all industries or organizations that the ones in charge put in more hours.
Boys, you need to step up to the plate; you were the ones tht sought after these positions. The cliche, It is lonely at the top is true, but you need to be there to operate your school.
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Posted: Thu Feb 26th, 2009 02:29 am |
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| I think diva was appropriate.
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Posted: Thu Feb 26th, 2009 02:25 am |
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Diva is not an appropriate adjective for my gender, but pink is one of my favorite colors.
Food for thought: It was discussed last night about the "in-breeding" of administrators within the Seaford School District. Besides internal promotions, the majority of our administrators earned their credentials from Wilmington University. It is the school of choice for convenience.
Now, who from our district has taught more of our administrators?
If you are able to get the correct answer, you might be smarter than a 5th grader.
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Posted: Wed Feb 25th, 2009 10:59 pm |
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| You have a much higher opinion of yourself than you deserve. Hey Seaford, the diva teaches your children.
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Posted: Wed Feb 25th, 2009 08:46 pm |
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| No, I am over qualified!
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Posted: Wed Feb 25th, 2009 05:16 pm |
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| SOS must be running for the School board slot
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Posted: Wed Feb 25th, 2009 04:00 am |
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You are on target "IamMyKidsMom". I would like to take it a step further. The principals don't support the rules. I will head off "Playing the Game" now before I get one of his WAAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but education is a tough job, especially when you want all of your students to succeed. President Obama stated in his speech this evening that education starts in the home. As I stated the other evening, most of the Seaford school children do not have loving and caring homes that nurture their children and teach them about respect. Seaford has produced a generation of children who think that it is all about "rights" and no"respect".
Administrators should be able to help, assist, train, and guide teachers. I would like input from the teaching profession. Does this happen in your schools? Do your administrators work with you in order to assist in improving your classroom management and delivery? What has your principal taught you this year to improve your students and what goes on in your classrooms?
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Posted: Wed Feb 25th, 2009 01:54 am |
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What about the teachers all supporting the rules? Why do some teachers have to battle the students because other teachers are "fun" and let the kids get away with breaking the rules? I know for a fact that there are teachers at SHS who let students break the rules because it's easier than enforcing them. How exhausting it must be to have to go to work every day and know that everything you try to do is demeaned by some of your own co-workers.
What happened to following rules, and respect for teachers? I'm sorry, the whole value system these days is deplorable.
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Posted: Wed Feb 25th, 2009 01:17 am |
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WAAHHH!!!!!!
Help me I'm just a teacher and the big bad Principal won't let me teach. Stand up for your students if you really care.
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Posted: Tue Feb 24th, 2009 06:12 pm |
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 I agree with IamMyKidsMom. The teachers don't call the shots. Administrators do not support the teachers, but blame them. Students walk by the administrators every day with hats on, headphones and IPods, coats, and sometimes not enough clothes and they say nothing. When the students make it pass the administrators, they feel that everything is fine. When the teachers correct the students in the classroom, they receive a lot of flack and still have to try to teach. Coaches are faced weekly on how they handle discipline issues. There is no support. People, we all need to stand and speak.
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Posted: Fri Feb 20th, 2009 02:04 pm |
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PeterGriffin wrote: purple wrote: So what you're saying is that staff IS responsible for cleaning up behavior issues that the parents have created? It's alarming how many ignorant people call Seaford home. Unbelievable...start at home with behavior issues. Do not expect other people to teach your children right from wrong.
Parents need district administrators flat out tell this to them then! Don't be afraid to. That is what we did in the 80s and 90s where I worked. And we got results. Too many admins and teachers these days have bought into hoky classroom management styles that have just made things worse!
You are not there to be nice to the kids, especially when they misbehave.
I could not agree more with the above bolded statement. Not only do we need to support the teachers, but they need to stand up for themselves. If rules are in place regarding ipods, cell phones, hats, etc., support them! Use those rules to teach the students that respect for authority is a good thing. If some teachers follow and support those rules, and others are lax and let their students "get away with it", then the whole system crumbles.
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Posted: Sun Feb 15th, 2009 11:32 pm |
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purple wrote: So what you're saying is that staff IS responsible for cleaning up behavior issues that the parents have created? It's alarming how many ignorant people call Seaford home. Unbelievable...start at home with behavior issues. Do not expect other people to teach your children right from wrong.
Parents need district administrators flat out tell this to them then! Don't be afraid to. That is what we did in the 80s and 90s where I worked. And we got results. Too many admins and teachers these days have bought into hoky classroom management styles that have just made things worse!
You are not there to be nice to the kids, especially when they misbehave.
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Posted: Sun Feb 15th, 2009 11:31 pm |
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Being a retired teacher, I have to feel sympathy for current teachers. You are living in the advent of the disintigration of youth behavior in this country. Our systems are going to have to be a bit more forceful. While I agree parents need to do more, our schools are going to have to be a bit more forthcoming and communicate this to parents and give them ultimatums. This means, either straighten your kid up, or you can send them to school somewhere else! That is what public schools are going to have to do. Most are afraid to do it. Public schools do have the legal right to remove bad kids, even if they have to keep expelling them for the limited amount of time necessary (in my district it was 180 days, I do not know if that is still the case).
And I have to agree with the point that teachers need to pay more attention to behaviors. As I was retiring, we were getting newer administrators who were pushing teachers to pay less attention to the little things in classrooms, just to focus on the truly big issues. Teachers will just have to be more forceful regarding the little things no matter how petty they are. They need to make absolutely clear who the boss is. Again, I watched too many young new teachers get too friendly or not put their foots down over my last years and there in lies a problem.
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Posted: Sun Feb 15th, 2009 04:24 pm |
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| So what you're saying is that staff IS responsible for cleaning up behavior issues that the parents have created? It's alarming how many ignorant people call Seaford home. Unbelievable...start at home with behavior issues. Do not expect other people to teach your children right from wrong.
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Posted: Sun Feb 15th, 2009 02:42 pm |
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| i can believe it can be caused by staff when they dont do anything about it. my niece goes there and the picture she paints tells me that most teachers take it lying down or ignore things kids do. in my day if you cussed or mouthed at a teacher or refused to do what they asked you didnt stay in that room very long. my niece has 7 different teachers and she says 5 of them are way to nice while the other 2 take no crap from kids. thats not a good ratio in my opinion.
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Posted: Sun Feb 15th, 2009 02:46 am |
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| Can you give a specific example of incompetence? You seriously believe that the students behavior is because of the staff; that the kids act perfectly at home and then show up at school and go crazy? That is totally wrong, and you know it.
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Posted: Sun Feb 15th, 2009 02:43 am |
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| You go teacher...............defend incompetence. It must be a union requirement.
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Posted: Sun Feb 15th, 2009 02:39 am |
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| The Seaford High School staff is incredible!! I'm not sure why so many of you disagree with this statement. The staff is not responsible for the behavior of students. Their negative behavior did not just pop up when they hit high school. It started at home and apparently was never dealt with, so look at yourselves, and quit bashing the staff. If you can do better than they are doing, then apply for a job there!
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