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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 05:04 pm |
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Two Cents wrote: cottoncandy wrote: What incentive would there be to conserve a depletable resource?
What depleteable resource do you refer to? I don't perceive that electricity is depleteable, if that was it. It may become more expensive, but we will not deplete it. The discussion is about dollars, not conservation.
OK - the natural (coal, gas, etc.) resources that are used to generate electricity are depletable. If you purchase a service with dollars, you are more likely to use it wisely rather than squander it. Landlords would have to increase their rents to cover the price of the electricity if their tenants had no incentive to conserve. On a personal note, if Mr. Mullen's 200% increase is close to what taxes would have to rise to cover the electricity cost, my taxes would be almost $3,000 a year. My electricity costs average $200 a month, because I keep my thermostat very low. I do not really like to do this, so if I could set it anywhere I wish to keep warmer in the winter and cooler in the summer, the cost of the electricity to the Town would rise and my taxes would continue to rise. As Mr. Mullen says, there must be a balance. There are financial institutions that rate the Town based on how it runs its "business", which means it has to be fiscally conservative.
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 04:38 pm |
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cottoncandy wrote: What incentive would there be to conserve a depletable resource?
What depleteable resource do you refer to? I don't perceive that electricity is depleteable, if that was it. It may become more expensive, but we will not deplete it. The discussion is about dollars, not conservation.
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 04:37 pm |
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Someone wrote: candy, would that be a I really want to know, to help me understand, or a cut on something that might sound OK. Personally I would like to hear a little more on how that idea might work.
I'm sorry, but I do not understand your query.
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 04:28 pm |
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| candy, would that be a I really want to know, to help me understand, or a cut on something that might sound OK. Personally I would like to hear a little more on how that idea might work.
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 04:15 pm |
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Olive wrote: gene mullen wrote: Olive - While your suggestion would be great in the ideal world, let me explain how taxes work in Smyrna.
Mr. Mullen I am not interested in your arithmetic class. It is a simple matter to transfer any amount of dollars of revenue from electric rates to tax rates. You have demonstrate the methodology quiet satisfactorily, so you do understand how to accomplish it. Then why not move all the electric money to tax rate and people get to have a higher income tax deduction. Since it would be revenue neutral, nobody including the town is injured or inconvenienced.
What incentive would there be to conserve a depletable resource?
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 12:41 pm |
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gene mullen wrote: Olive - While your suggestion would be great in the ideal world, let me explain how taxes work in Smyrna.
Mr. Mullen I am not interested in your arithmetic class. It is a simple matter to transfer any amount of dollars of revenue from electric rates to tax rates. You have demonstrate the methodology quiet satisfactorily, so you do understand how to accomplish it. Then why not move all the electric money to tax rate and people get to have a higher income tax deduction. Since it would be revenue neutral, nobody including the town is injured or inconvenienced.
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Someone wrote: Thank you for your response Mr Mullen. But to clear one thing up, it wasn't me who asked how the mayor voted. All I have been trying to do is get just how this came about and if everyone really knew what was going on. But it really sounds like you need to start over, with electric and taxes.
Which is what I have been saying for quite a few years. Balance takes work and time. And it doesn't come without some sacrifice. We can't do it alone and we can't do it being afraid. So please give us your ideas.
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Posted: Thu May 22nd, 2008 12:38 am |
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| Thank you for your response Mr Mullen. But to clear one thing up, it wasn't me who asked how the mayor voted. All I have been trying to do is get just how this came about and if everyone really knew what was going on. But it really sounds like you need to start over, with electric and taxes.
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 11:33 pm |
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gene mullen wrote: As with any procedure or change in government, one person CANNOT effect a change without a majority vote of other members. It was discussed over and over again in many Finance committee meetings and again in several Council meetings and Public Hearings. That is the way things are done.
mr Mul l is this how canos wer bogt to? Thans be, to y ou.
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 11:13 pm |
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| The post below was based on numbers I remember and may not be perfectly correct but the gist is the same.
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 11:04 pm |
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Olive wrote: Mr. Mullen --- why doesn't the finance committee consider reducing the electric rates to near zero, and increasing property tax rates by a similar amout, in order to transfer the vast majority of revenue to the tax function? That way, everybody would be able to promptly pay the smaller electric bill every month and disconnections shuld be a thing of the past, while providing an increased income tax deduction to homeowners, attributable to the higher taxes? It is the same amount of money, but homeowners with mortgages will have their electric bills as well as the tax bill handled through escrows with mortgage lenders. Others will simply pay the higher tax bill or maybe work out a payment plan with the city. Win - win!!!
Listen and read carefully everyone. There is information that Ms Stombaugh did not include in her post.
Yes, I did "suggest" the property tax increase and a equal reduction in electric rates. In fact I campaigned on that platform in 2004, 2005 and 2006. It was included in ALL of my campaign lit. It should come as no surprise that Smyrna has a very low property tax rate and a very high electric rate. This system is not good financial planning for a town our size and limits our ability to procure bonds, loans and other financial backing. In other words, it limits our ability to provide services to our citizens.
As with any procedure or change in government, one person CANNOT effect a change without a majority vote of other members. It was discussed over and over again in many Finance committee meetings and again in several Council meetings and Public Hearings. That is the way things are done.
Someone - It is not in my ability to read your mind. Without your imput I cannot know what is best for you. And conversely, you have to understand that what is good for you may not be good for the entire town. But that being said, I welcome any suggestions that provide a sound alternative.
Olive - While your suggestion would be great in the ideal world, let me explain how taxes work in Smyrna.
First - for every penny of tax rate collected the Town gets about $ 65,000 to $ 68,000. This is based on our overall tax base of property. The 5 cent increase netted the town about $320,000. The 3 cent increase netted the town about $185,000.
Now, follow carefully, If you take the $320,000 out of the electric rate it reduces that rate by a mere 4 mills. That is .4 of 1 cent. Not a big reduction. That is because the electric revenue is around $ 12 million. But it is a start.
Now for the real problem, The general fund, which is the main operating fund in the town and pays for the majority of services, runs a $ 2.5 to 3.0 million deficit. For your plan to work, the town would have raise taxes a whopping 43 cents per hundred over what we have now for a grant total of .6826 cents per hundred. That's almost a 200% increase in property taxes. And, that's just for the 2008 tax year. The deficit is likely to increase with time. Of course, our electric rate "may" be the lowest in the state but with fuel prices and tranmission prices rising that isn't likely to occur.
My plan is to keep the process going to reduce the dependantcy on electric revenue over a 10 year period. At the end of 10 years the general fund should be supported by the taxes and the electric rate should be much lower. Will it work, I don't know. Will it be supported? Don't know that either, but judging from the response to the first increase, I doubt that any Council will have the guts to continue. And we will forever be plagued with high electric costs.
So blame me if you want but I'm doing what I promised to do. Again ,if anyone has a better suggestion, I'm all ears.
Someone - to answer your question on the mayor's vote. She wasn't there to vote. Ms. Stombaugh was either sick or working depending on who you talk to. But she did attend 1 finance committee meeting during the 2008 budget process in which she did voice her objection without explanation.
As always I can be reached at 653-6733 or emailed at Oldtown09@comccast.net.
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Gene Mullen
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 06:27 pm |
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Someone wrote: Thank you for an explanation on this, but you put in that it was presented many times and we did nothing then. Again it is not our job. We have elected folks to get answers do do the right thing, if we keep having to check everything , what do we need you all. So I guess all that brainstorming ended up being a tornado, with stuff going everwhere and ending up with a big mess.
this is how the gas company, cable co, phone co. etc.........get away with their increases. they post "hearings" in the papers and NOBODY shows up...this is how they get what they want. Last edited on Wed May 21st, 2008 11:08 pm by GuestGhost
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 06:06 pm |
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| Mr. Mullen --- why doesn't the finance committee consider reducing the electric rates to near zero, and increasing property tax rates by a similar amout, in order to transfer the vast majority of revenue to the tax function? That way, everybody would be able to promptly pay the smaller electric bill every month and disconnections shuld be a thing of the past, while providing an increased income tax deduction to homeowners, attributable to the higher taxes? It is the same amount of money, but homeowners with mortgages will have their electric bills as well as the tax bill handled through escrows with mortgage lenders. Others will simply pay the higher tax bill or maybe work out a payment plan with the city. Win - win!!!
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 04:52 pm |
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| OK HB, you may be right on that. The problem is I do not have the time to sit and listen to all they have to say and do. Now I know all of you are going to say "don't have the time, they have time to post here all the time" Well i think I have said this before, I hope you all know of laptops and wifi set ups, man I could be in LA doing this or lord knows where else.
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 04:02 pm |
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Hartlyboy wrote: ... to most of the people moving in here from places like PA and NJ, our rates are so low they are afraid to say anything because they think you missplaced the decimal on the bill. That's why they are going to keep coming and that's why the taxes are going to keep going up as you accomodate the needs related to that growth. Unfortunatley the town opened that door under the previous mayor with all his annexations and y'all need to hold on tight , cause it's gonna be a bumpy ride ahead....
Hartlyboy -- Not only are you right about the cause and effect, but the town has not yet learned that when you dig yourself into a hole (as Smyrna has), one needs to quit digging. The council continues to approve annexations that are looming out there to present future tax increases to provide services and infrastructure.
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Interesting debate. Someone, I have to disagree this one time with you. it IS your job and the job of every taxpayer in the town to get on top of things and keep on the officials or whomever to get your questions answered. Saying 'we elect people' is not enough. You can throw people out at certain times but a lot goes on between elections that will be the devil to undo if you can even change the players at election time.
The tax rate is understandably a big deal for those of you who have grown up here and seen the changes on your bill, but to most of the people moving in here from places like PA and NJ, our rates are so low they are afraid to say anything because they think you missplaced the decimal on the bill. That's why they are going to keep coming and that's why the taxes are going to keep going up as you accomodate the needs related to that growth. Unfortunatley the town opened that door under the previous mayor with all his annexations and y'all need to hold on tight , cause it's gonna be a bumpy ride ahead....
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 03:20 pm |
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Pat Stombaugh wrote: For the record once again - "I was opposed to the tax increase, especially for this year, I made that known at the finance committee meetings and I did not vote for the increase".
Mayor Stombaugh -- you fail to mention whther you voted against the tax increase. Please address that?
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 02:42 pm |
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| Thank you for an explanation on this, but you put in that it was presented many times and we did nothing then. Again it is not our job. We have elected folks to get answers do do the right thing, if we keep having to check everything , what do we need you all. So I guess all that brainstorming ended up being a tornado, with stuff going everwhere and ending up with a big mess.
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 02:11 pm |
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I promised to keep you, our citizens, informed when I ran for the mayor position.
Here is your answer:
The tax increase was brought to the finance committee by Chairman Gene Mullen. Council has talked for some time about lowering electric rates and increases taxes. As the gentleman at the council meeting said Monday night, the reason people are flocking to Smyrna is because of our tax rate. The proper way to run a town is from tax revenue. If the town borrows money or went for a bond, the tax revenue is the main number. What is best, depends on who you talk to. My opinion, the electric rate is spread out over 12 months. Taxes come in a lump sum unless you have them included in your mortgage payment. If you do not pay your electric bill, your electric will be turned off. If you don't pay your taxes, after a period of time, your property can be taken for tax sale.
When this proposal was brought to the table Councilman Mullen suggested the .05 cent increase in taxes and reduce electric by the same dollar amount. Regina Brown and myself were concerned about the dollar amount. Regina asked repeatly for someone to give the finance committee a dollar amount. The dollar amount would be different for many properties as it is based on assessed value of the property, so that would have had to been an average. I do not believe that was done. Regina continually called me and was upset because she was worried about the increase. Regina's suggestions was "start with .01 cent and see how that worked". I think the problem was figuring out the dollar amount on the electric. Where did the .05 cent figure come from, Regina and I asked the same question. The answer from chairman Gene Mullen - "I just picked a number to start with".
You can blame us for not knowing how to arrive at the exact figures but the tax increase was posted many, many times. There were three public hearings which Regina Brown was the ONLY citizen that attended as a citizen. The .05 cent plus the additional .03 cent increase was posted on every notice plus in articles by the news media.
It is always after the fact that many of you step forward. For those of you that know how to figure electric rates, etc, why did you not step forward and give the public the figures? For the record once again - "I was opposed to the tax increase, especially for this year, I made that known at the finance committee meetings and I did not vote for the increase".
Our taxes are low. When the economy improves, they do need to be increased. This is not the time to add additional burden to our citizens when there are still items in the budget that could have been reduced or cut.
The opinions posted are my opinions as an individual citizen only. I am not representing the opinions of council in this post.
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Posted: Wed May 21st, 2008 01:23 am |
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I think since we have some Support- that we must band together and as easy as this committee got together and brainstormed to increase our taxes, that they can get back together for an encore and REDUCE our taxes.
I predict that the Sh** is about to hit the fans.
The People of the Town are not going to put up with these Shenanigans much longer.
No pun regarding Sheridan's.
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Posted: Tue May 20th, 2008 04:20 pm |
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| O'boy, cotton, just what facts have you told us, you have beat around a bush, telling us how committees work, or suppose to, haven't said anything about THAT committee meeting about the .08 cents. Just in gerenal writings. I think that is all we are asking, we are trying to find out the facts, so we can quit this. But can't a straight answer.
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They are all the same wrote: ccattie wrote: Actually it was Abbott and Costello and in the case of Cotton Candy it is like we're in an Abbott and Abbott skit. There is nothing there. I am not going to committees, they all meet when normal folks are working.
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Thanks, ccatie. I knew it was one of the old time comedy couples...just had an old timers moment. But you get the point, unlike some people.
True, I do not get the point that adults do not take responsibility for their inactions and just want to blame others. Since my posts are not making any points either, I will just sit back and read your ramblings for entertainment. I heard a quote the other day, "Don't confuse me with the facts; my mind's made up." So, I won't try to confuse you with the facts any more.
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cottoncandy wrote: Who are Abbott and Costello and Laurel and Hardy? Do they live in Smyrna? Do they go to the committee meetings?
They are ON the committee -- chair and vice-chair. Thought you could tell.
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Posted: Tue May 20th, 2008 03:28 pm |
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ccattie wrote: Actually it was Abbott and Costello and in the case of Cotton Candy it is like we're in an Abbott and Abbott skit. There is nothing there. I am not going to committees, they all meet when normal folks are working.
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Thanks, ccatie. I knew it was one of the old time comedy couples...just had an old timers moment. But you get the point, unlike some people.
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Posted: Tue May 20th, 2008 03:23 pm |
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| They must go, by the sound of some of the results.
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ccattie wrote: Actually it was Abbott and Costello and in the case of Cotton Candy it is like we're in an Abbott and Abbott skit. There is nothing there. I am not going to committees, they all meet when normal folks are working.
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Who are Abbott and Costello and Laurel and Hardy? Do they live in Smyrna? Do they go to the committee meetings?
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Actually it was Abbott and Costello and in the case of Cotton Candy it is like we're in an Abbott and Abbott skit. There is nothing there. I am not going to committees, they all meet when normal folks are working.
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Posted: Tue May 20th, 2008 12:55 am |
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| OK cotton, brainstorming is a good way, I will agree, but when you say they all brainstromed and no one has any idea what was done, then that's not brainstroming, that's helter-skelter
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Cotton, I am not naive about how things work. But, let me inform you that someone had to bring this out of committee. They are supposed to keep minutes as to who made a motion and who seconded it. So, again, for the sake of SOMEONE who has asked a million times, does anyone know WHO made this recommendation to council for the 8 cent increase. WHO made a motion on council to implement this 8 cent increase and WHO made the motion to second it.
I feel like Laurel and Hardy, WHO'S on first...no WHO's on second. This council reminds me of a very bad Laurel and Hardy movie.
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Someone wrote: cotton, I am not trying to put the blame anyone person. If you said it was brainstoming that is not a very good answer, that makes it worst. A little hap hazard don't you think when you say you all sitting around just throwing out stuff. What i want is if it was a person or all of them, you screwed up, talk about faceing up let's do it. So do you want to get to part of the question, were you one of the committee or not.
I am sorry I forgot to answer that question; I am not on the committee. Brainstorming is the best way to get ideas and possible solutions from everyone. I would encourage you to join some committees or organizations in Town, so you would know how they operate.Last edited on Tue May 20th, 2008 12:47 am by cottoncandy
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| cotton, I am not trying to put the blame anyone person. If you said it was brainstoming that is not a very good answer, that makes it worst. A little hap hazard don't you think when you say you all sitting around just throwing out stuff. What i want is if it was a person or all of them, you screwed up, talk about faceing up let's do it. So do you want to get to part of the question, were you one of the committee or not.
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They are all the same wrote: cottoncandy wrote: ccattie wrote: Candy - Nobody knows what you are even saying.
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Then I guess it's difficult to debate with those who don't follow the thread and refuse to take responsibility for their inaction.
Cotton, it should not be that difficult for you to understand what 'someone' is asking. Who had the bright idea in Finance Committee to implement the $.08 increase. Who brought this suggestion to council out of the finance committee? He also asked you if you are on the finance committee. Again, who from the Finance Committee brought the suggestion that council implement an $.08 increase. Was it Thorton, Mullen or someone else. And, if it was someone else, WHO was it.
It appears that none of you have ever served on a committee. I have served on many committees at my job. There is much brainstorming done with lots of give and take. I would bet that not one person on the committee would remember who was the first to bring the proposal to the table. You are looking for one person to lynch, thus clearing your conscience for abdicating your responsibility to know what our government is doing. Not attending the Public Hearing to give our input = agreement. I never said I like the tax increase; only tried to point out that it is the responsibility of all of us to keep on top of things that have a direct impact on our lives and pockebooks. And yes, I am a taxpayer as I mentioned in a previous post that I paid my taxes already so as to take advantage of the 6% discount if paid by June 1. And I am not happy with the small decrease in my electric costs. But, it does no good to whine on this blog that I have been taken, because I was asleep at the wheel when I should have been paying attention.
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They are all the same wrote: cottoncandy wrote: ccattie wrote: Candy - Nobody knows what you are even saying.
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Then I guess it's difficult to debate with those who don't follow the thread and refuse to take responsibility for their inaction.
Cotton, it should not be that difficult for you to understand what 'someone' is asking. Who had the bright idea in Finance Committee to implement the $.08 increase. Who brought this suggestion to council out of the finance committee? He also asked you if you are on the finance committee. Again, who from the Finance Committee brought the suggestion that council implement an $.08 increase. Was it Thorton, Mullen or someone else. And, if it was someone else, WHO was it.
Finance Committee
Gene A. Mullen, Chairman
Lawrence O. Thornton, Jr.
Valerie White
Ruth Bower
Arthur Ricker
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cottoncandy wrote: ccattie wrote: Candy - Nobody knows what you are even saying.
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Then I guess it's difficult to debate with those who don't follow the thread and refuse to take responsibility for their inaction.
Cotton, it should not be that difficult for you to understand what 'someone' is asking. Who had the bright idea in Finance Committee to implement the $.08 increase. Who brought this suggestion to council out of the finance committee? He also asked you if you are on the finance committee. Again, who from the Finance Committee brought the suggestion that council implement an $.08 increase. Was it Thorton, Mullen or someone else. And, if it was someone else, WHO was it.
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cottoncandy wrote: Most of you are beginning to sound like a bunch of kids who failed their exam because they didn't study. But, of course, it's the teacher's fault; because he/she didn't explain to them that they needed to use information that they should have learned in a prior class.
Most of ALL of us were not even asked to come in to take the exam.
The TEACHER=The Town Council approved something that was not totally explained to any of us.
Don't think that the SC Suntimes is the excuse- because most of us do not get the paper. Was it explained in the paper?
What's it going to take? This is plain WRONG.
Cotton Candy- are you really okay with this? Are you a property Tax payer?
If you are ready to hand out your money- let me be the first in line.
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Posted: Mon May 19th, 2008 09:51 pm |
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Since I did not understand, why don't you tell me again. Explain like you would to a child.
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Posted: Mon May 19th, 2008 05:49 pm |
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Like cc said. What!!!
Almost forgot on your responsibility, you never answered my question to you, were you one of the committee. Or do you want to tell us how we don't know
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Posted: Mon May 19th, 2008 05:41 pm |
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ccattie wrote: Candy - Nobody knows what you are even saying.
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Then I guess it's difficult to debate with those who don't follow the thread and refuse to take responsibility for their inaction.
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Candy - Nobody knows what you are even saying.
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| No candy you didn't.
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Someone wrote: No, candy, it is that they didn't do their homework, and now affraid to admit it. So maybe you are one of those?
Unfortunately, you are the one who doesn't do homework. I answered this question in an earlier post.
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| Someone, I know exactly what you are trying to say. Who had the bright idea in Finance Committee to implement the $.08 increase. Who brought this suggestion to council out of the finance committee? How about it Mayor Stombaugh, Someone has asked a question and would like you to answer. Please respond.
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Posted: Sun May 18th, 2008 03:24 pm |
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| No, candy, it is that they didn't do their homework, and now affraid to admit it. So maybe you are one of those?
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| Most of you are beginning to sound like a bunch of kids who failed their exam because they didn't study. But, of course, it's the teacher's fault; because he/she didn't explain to them that they needed to use information that they should have learned in a prior class.
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Now I will ask this another way. Now we have a committee, they were meeting and the topic came up, we need more money, so the question came out, how. So everyone sat and thought, and thought. And out of no where, someone comes up with an idea. I got it, they say. We can do this. Well that's a great idea, they all said. So they that it council, and they said Wow, that is great, .05 and .03 isn't much, be maybe 8 years before it would show.
So now the question, just who came up with the idea, in committee, what was said. What research was done. Now can anyone of you answer this, or do you have a gag order on this subject. It was someone's (not me) idea, WHO. I would like a person who was there to answer.
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| Well, sure enough Mull and Cher didn't care about the $.08 increase. Both Cher and Mull are moving out of town, so, this is not going to affect them in the least. They just wanted to make sure that their buddy Smugg had a cushey salary and every new gadget under the sun. Luck us! Aren't we just proud to be Smyrnatonians or Smyrnites? Can't figure just what one I'd rather be. When I have to write the check for my taxes, I would guess neither. How about you all?
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I think it's the inane question: Which comes first- the chicken or the egg?
Who is in control?
Dave Hugg or the Council?
Who wanted the tax hike? Hugg, Mullen, the Audit Committee, Budget Committee or the Council?
Because if they were representing the Town-they sure in the hell did not ask anyone. They sure in the hell did not ask even me.
Was it to pay for the niceties such as a new vehicle in an economy crisis? For the mistake of ordering canoes and the sheds they lay in?
Why does a Town Manager who is responsible for the Town of Smyrna feel that a new vehicle is a necessity when the rest of us are wondering where in the hell are we going to pull the next tank of gas out of a hat?
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SmyrnaDE wrote: Out of each of them are they all property owners in Smyrna?
Nope.
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 11:26 pm |
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| They want to move into the big time, but they have no idea how to do it. They are small town leaders, or it has pointed that way.
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Posted: Sat May 17th, 2008 11:05 pm |
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Honestly, Do you think that the council people knew what the real outcome would be?
Out of each of them are they all property owners in Smyrna?
Are they as shocked as all of us?
My income did not increase $175.00 to balance the expense of this tax increase.
How do you think the elderly on fixed incomes can compensate for this 50% hike?
Mullen stepped up and suggested the 5 in the 5 cent per hundredth of the property assessment value increase. Who's idea was this really?
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