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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 10:08 pm |
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| TAATS, don't bother to email Larry Thornton because he has a block on his email address and your email will be refused. This is a man I took at his word and voted for and encouraged others to vote for! And what has he done? Nothing to help us taxpayers. Yet he wanted to remain on the finance committee!! Thanks Thornton, for helping Mullen raise the taxes high enough to hurt. And Mayor Stombaugh, time to grow a backbone or step down. You ask for help from us citizens but we get nowhere at council meetings, and neither do you. You allow Mullen to walk all over you which resulted in Thornton staying on the finance committee and keeping Jim Rayner off.
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 04:20 pm |
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They are all the same wrote: I believe that very few of them actually take the time to review the information brought to them by council. The few who do may have questions, but don't want to appear to be stupid (for the lack of a better term and not to imply they are actually stupid) so they are afraid to ask questions lest they be ridiculed for their inability to understand what is placed before them. So, they just vote on it because Smugg said that this was the thing to do.
You are so correct that the only stupid people are those who vote on things without completely understanding them. It's certainly not stupid nor does it appear to be stupid when one asks questions about matters that they do not understand.
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 04:02 pm |
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Observant wrote: Pat Stombaugh wrote: I have been receiving emails from concerned citizens about the amount of increase in their tax bills.
Please continue to email me with your concerns. I will take them to the finance committee for answers.
Ms. Mayor, you should know the answers. You were present when the proposals were made, and you were there to vote on the issue. You should know the answers. The finance committee proposed reducing electric billing rates and increasing the town property tax rate by a corresponding amount, thereby endeavoring to make the change revenue neutral to the town. A additional increase of 3 cents to the property tax rate was proposed to generate some $200k additional revenue for the town. The council voted to approve that measure. What questions would the finance committee be able to answer?
Thorton is on the finance committee and was one of the people who recommended this outrageous tax increase. If he is such a financial wizard, how did he not know enough to inform the other council members that their 5 to 8 cents on the dollar tax increase would result in a property tax increase of 50% or more? Again, as you all are shaking your heads...I am shaking mine.
I believe that very few of them actually take the time to review the information brought to them by council. The few who do may have questions, but don't want to appear to be stupid (for the lack of a better term and not to imply they are actually stupid) so they are afraid to ask questions lest they be ridiculed for their inability to understand what is placed before them. So, they just vote on it because Smugg said that this was the thing to do.
Please, council people, when voting on decisions that have this broad of an impact, please ASK QUESTIONS. That is how you learn. ASK...and don't give a hoot how it appears to anyone else. I think people who ask questions, no matter how stupid it may appear to someone else, are the smarter people. It shows integrity if nothing else.
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 03:09 pm |
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Pat Stombaugh wrote: I have been receiving emails from concerned citizens about the amount of increase in their tax bills.
Please continue to email me with your concerns. I will take them to the finance committee for answers.
Ms. Mayor, you should know the answers. You were present when the proposals were made, and you were there to vote on the issue. You should know the answers. The finance committee proposed reducing electric billing rates and increasing the town property tax rate by a corresponding amount, thereby endeavoring to make the change revenue neutral to the town. A additional increase of 3 cents to the property tax rate was proposed to generate some $200k additional revenue for the town. The council voted to approve that measure. What questions would the finance committee be able to answer?
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 02:18 pm |
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Not sure if I like if I like it or not, but does sound like a thing to do. Tell me where it is wrong.
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So many issues so little time, here goes...
First the electric bill - how out-of-date is it to fund the town with sales of electric to it's own residents? It may have worked when the Town was small, but not now. It has become a game of smoke and mirrors. The income number is always moving. When more money is needed just raise the PPAC next month. How can the town operate on a budget that has a moving number on the income side? If the residents use less electric for any one of a number of reasons, then their revenue goes down. How do the make that up the next month? Charge us more! They need to sell the electric at the lowest cost and tax us at the rate it takes to operate the town. That way the income budget is set, firm. We know what we are paying (in total Taxes)and can apply that number to our federal income tax and our electric fees are at a competitive rate. As for those who complain about renters ...who cares who pays? The renter or the property owner. The bill still gets paid. If the owner is any kind of business person the tax fee is passed along in the rent.
Second taxes - Our taxes are not out of hand - YET! That is why we need to be involved! if half the folks who piss and moan on this blog would show up at the Town Council meetings, aside from having to knock down a wall and bring in extra seats, the Council Folk would get the message and see that we just aren't Internet tigers.
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 02:15 pm |
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I have been receiving emails from concerned citizens about the amount of increase in their tax bills.
Please continue to email me with your concerns. I will take them to the finance committee for answers.
Thank you for taking your time to ask questions that concern you through an email.
email: stombaugh4smyrna@comcast.net
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 12:38 pm |
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| Did JO, get called out here. This is kind of like chess, your move JO.
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You just got pwned pal - major pwnage. My name and website (along with all my vitals) can be fround in my profile on the forum. So, seeing as how I already do post under my actual name and make it very public as to who I am then it is your turn.
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Think what you like, but you'll look like a moron. Tell you what, you tell everyone who YOU really are and I'll do the same. If you really believe what you spout on here then you won't be afraid to state it in public. Most of you don't have a clue and the only reason I post is to give real people the facts.
I don't think you can do it. Because you just want to tear down, not fix anything.
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 03:04 am |
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Think what you like, but you'll look like a moron. Tell you what, you tell everyone who YOU really are and I'll do the same. If you really believe what you spout on here then you won't be afraid to state it in public. Most of you don't have a clue and the only reason I post is to give real people the facts.
I don't think you can do it. Because you just want to tear down, not fix anything.
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Dude - how long are you going to pretend you're not Gene Mullen? Even if you are not (which you are). Your little aside is completely idiotic. I am not sure if it is because you're in your autumn years and your brain is crapping out or what, but saying that people should be happy because others have it worse is so dumb. It really is, there is no other word for it. Please tell me how much worse it could be and who these people are so I know who to watch out for. Names and reasons please otherwise you will have even less credibility than you have now (which is none by the way).
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Never been on council, but that may change considering what we have. As far as my last post, I was only showing that no matter how bad we think we have it, it can be worst. And it probably will be if certain people get their way.
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 01:23 am |
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JO aka Gene Mullen. You aren't too observant or you would now be aware that we are all displeased. I am sorely p*ss*d off about my tax increase which is nearly 50%. You and your cronies are penalizing the residents in order to keep the half-baked Smugg on the payroll and provide him with the most up-to-date toys. Pull your head out of your back end and see what is going on in town. But, I guess you don't really care what goes on because I heard that you were building a house outside of town limits. No wonder you, Cher (and Smugg) have the attitude of Marie Antoinette.....let them eat cake. Well, my cake is stale and it is starting to get moldy.
If your leaving town, then I say good ridance. Resign now and let someone who truly has the best interest of the residence take your place. Any takers?
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Posted: Tue May 13th, 2008 01:06 am |
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Someone wrote: JO, great comeback, we don't live there, never wanted to, we live here, have for years. If they paid $12000 for taxes and have been for years they were use to it, but if you all came and put a increase of 50% now don't you think they would be bitching. If you are use to paying $10 and a 50% increase was added to it, it kind of messes up your bubget.
I don't try and guess who folks are, don't care, but JO, the more you post, the more you come off as a council person, or part of. Your comeback sucked.
As I said along time ago, I pay attention to what goes on. Any one remember Buzzbait, he paid attention too and got the facts. That's all I'm doing. And you can think anything you like about me. Never been on council, but that may change considering what we have. As far as my last post, I was only showing that no matter how bad we think we have it, it can be worst. And it probably will be if certain people get their way.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 11:33 pm |
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JO, great comeback, we don't live there, never wanted to, we live here, have for years. If they paid $12000 for taxes and have been for years they were use to it, but if you all came and put a increase of 50% now don't you think they would be bitching. If you are use to paying $10 and a 50% increase was added to it, it kind of messes up your bubget.
I don't try and guess who folks are, don't care, but JO, the more you post, the more you come off as a council person, or part of. Your comeback sucked.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 11:30 pm |
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Someone, I was kidding
JO are we supposed to feel better because we don't pay $25,000 a year in taxes? When I had a choice of where I was going to live, we chose this town because of the low taxes and small town atmosphere as it was when I was growing up. Everyone knew everyone. That is long gone now and we have to pay for the new people moving down for lower taxes. Not sure what the cost of living is in Conn. but perhaps they make a little more money then we do in Delaware. I good friend of mine pays 3x the taxes I pay living in PA, but we both have the same nursing degree and she makes $25,000 to $30,000 more than I do. So you can't compare apples to oranges.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 10:53 pm |
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Well it's still better than in NJ or NY or CT or VA which list their taxes in the dollar per hundred range. People I know in Conn pay $25,000 per year for taxes. That includes school tax so I guess it's a bargin.
I know it's tough but it could be worst.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 10:20 pm |
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2000 x .2528 = $ 505.60
Thanks for the figures.
Mine is a little off- with working you formula, I came up with .2565 to make it closer to my actual charge.
Bottom line -
2007 we were hit with a property reassessment- which made the town more $$revenue.
Then this so called HIGH 5-% ( which is in reality more than 50% increase) to increase the town's revenue.
I don't think that many of us accrued a 50% increase in our salaries to compensate the economy and the increases in food or gas or even this tax increase monster.
I'm quakin' and shakin in my shoes that Huggs proposed $39.04 per $100 was not approved.
WE were here first- we are being made to feel like we'd better head south to cheaper lands in Taxes. Our Council seems to be not representing our best interests and the Town Manager is on a wild spending spree with new vehicles, street scape improvements, such as massive telephone poles in green areas and what ever else he --himself is approving. Look at the real estate signs popping up all over the neighborhoods and downtown. People are tired of this treatment.
We should get together and get on top of this monster.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 07:49 pm |
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| RN, you were kidding I hope.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 07:31 pm |
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Just Observing wrote: RN wrote: My taxes went from $249.00 to 394.58. Ooh sorry if I pay it before 6/1/08 I get a whopping not quite $6 discount. Not going to get my money until September. They can take their $6 savings and shove it. So, when were the electric bills supposed to decrease to supplement the so called 5% increase in taxes? OR did I miss something?
The tax rate is $.2528 per hundred of assessed value. If your home is assessed at $200,000, that is 2000 hundreds. Multiply that by .2528 and that is your property tax.
2000 x .2528 = $ 505.60
There is a 6% reduction if payed by June 1. Seniors get an additional deduction but they have to apply for it.
Council raised the property tax 5 cents and cut electric the same. Around $300,000
then raised it another 3 cents to cover the general fund. Around $ 190,000
For a grand total of 8 cents over the 17 cents it was. That's around a 48% raise in property taxes. By the articles posted by Taats it was 39 cents a hundred before the reassessment.
These are just the facts and do not contain any personal opinion. (lol)
Thanks, JO
It does help to know how the numbers were figured. I was hoping that I would have seen a better decrease on the electric bill to somehow be able to compensate a little for the increase in taxes. However, that would be defeating the purpose due for the need for increased revenue. Everything else is going up, so why shouldn't the taxes. At least we know the town is going to spend our money wisely!
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 05:44 pm |
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So many issues so little time, here goes...
First the electric bill - how out-of-date is it to fund the town with sales of electric to it's own residents? It may have worked when the Town was small, but not now. It has become a game of smoke and mirrors. The income number is always moving. When more money is needed just raise the PPAC next month. How can the town operate on a budget that has a moving number on the income side? If the residents use less electric for any one of a number of reasons, then their revenue goes down. How do the make that up the next month? Charge us more! They need to sell the electric at the lowest cost and tax us at the rate it takes to operate the town. That way the income budget is set, firm. We know what we are paying (in total Taxes)and can apply that number to our federal income tax and our electric fees are at a competitive rate. As for those who complain about renters ...who cares who pays? The renter or the property owner. The bill still gets paid. If the owner is any kind of business person the tax fee is passed along in the rent.
Second taxes - Our taxes are not out of hand - YET! That is why we need to be involved! if half the folks who piss and moan on this blog would show up at the Town Council meetings, aside from having to knock down a wall and bring in extra seats, the Council Folk would get the message and see that we just aren't Internet tigers.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 05:00 pm |
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| Seems like to me that the "better life, cheaper life", all these people moved to Smyrna to get is now turning into the life they left in NJ, NY and elsewhere; high taxes, high crime, vacant buildings. Wow, have they improved our old town or what?
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 04:39 pm |
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or would the formula be:
.screwed% <kissed + TOS = infrastructure, green cars, cell phones, canoes, sheds, new hires, new pricey TM contract, and on and on.
But look at what I'm getting for my tax money. My street is full of patches where the water pipes keep breaking, the water is eating my copper pipes, crime is up, dope is everywhere, traffic is intolerable, Hugg says my small home town is now at 10,000 people and still growing... Geeze, I'm getting a head ache! Time to blow the dust out of my wallet.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 02:42 pm |
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Someone wrote: Ok, which is what % increase, over the old?
I think that would be .screwed%
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 02:21 pm |
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| Ok, which is what % increase, over the old?
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 02:19 pm |
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| Old Smyrna - I got a 55% increase and I'm ticked off about it. I JUST WITH MY INCOME WENT UP THAT MUCH IN ONE YEAR SO I COULD KEEP UP!!!!!
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 01:42 pm |
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Someone wrote: By reading most of these, it sure looks like the folks that have posted are paying 50+% more this year. I guess they forgot that extra 0 in the 5% increase
Someone, read below. It wasn't a 5% increase but a 5 cent increase and a 3 cent increase. Total $ .08
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 01:19 pm |
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| By reading most of these, it sure looks like the folks that have posted are paying 50+% more this year. I guess they forgot that extra 0 in the 5% increase
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 12:59 pm |
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RN wrote: My taxes went from $249.00 to 394.58. Ooh sorry if I pay it before 6/1/08 I get a whopping not quite $6 discount. Not going to get my money until September. They can take their $6 savings and shove it. So, when were the electric bills supposed to decrease to supplement the so called 5% increase in taxes? OR did I miss something?
The tax rate is $.2528 per hundred of assessed value. If your home is assessed at $200,000, that is 2000 hundreds. Multiply that by .2528 and that is your property tax.
2000 x .2528 = $ 505.60
There is a 6% reduction if payed by June 1. Seniors get an additional deduction but they have to apply for it.
Council raised the property tax 5 cents and cut electric the same. Around $300,000
then raised it another 3 cents to cover the general fund. Around $ 190,000
For a grand total of 8 cents over the 17 cents it was. That's around a 48% raise in property taxes. By the articles posted by Taats it was 39 cents a hundred before the reassessment.
These are just the facts and do not contain any personal opinion. (lol)
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 07:29 am |
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| Did anyone else get a 55% increase or am I the lucky winner?
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 01:38 am |
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| Well them extra smart council folk knew that us dumb old town folk would never catch on.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 01:26 am |
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| My taxes went from $249.00 to 394.58. Ooh sorry if I pay it before 6/1/08 I get a whopping not quite $6 discount. Not going to get my money until September. They can take their $6 savings and shove it. So, when were the electric bills supposed to decrease to supplement the so called 5% increase in taxes? OR did I miss something?
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 12:11 am |
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Pat Stombaugh wrote: Now you understand why I........................ My father did have an excellent saying "Stand for what you believe in before you have nothing to stand for".
I need support from the citizens. This town does belong to you, not the elected officials and not the employees at town hall...................................
Mayor Stombaugh. You outed yourself. Both you and Faith posted the same this thing. Faith posted it under Dave Huggs Hybrid and you posted on this topic. You have confirmed that both of you are one and the same.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 09:19 pm |
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SmyrnaDE wrote: Please stay on this one Topic Ms. Mayor.
Each of you are elected to represent us.
We are spelling out our discord with our actual taxes
and trying to figure out if the Town is actually charging us
what you all voted to do.
SmyrnaDe - I did not vote for this. I made it very clear in at the finance committee meeting that I was opposed to ANY tax increase this year!!!
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 09:06 pm |
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| My taxes went down by $22.00.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 07:59 pm |
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Pat Stombaugh wrote: Thanks for your suggestions about the committee appointments. You are so right. I apologize to the citizens, I did not realize the recommendations were to come from the mayor only. I will speak to Mr. Jaywork about this. Ms. Mayor -- you assert that having been the mayor for a full year that you have not read or were unable to comprehend the three-paragraph portion of the town charter that fixes the responsibilities and the authority of the Mayor? That's very sad. Committee appointments are not recommendations - they are appointments. Another thing - how does the doctor get to remain on the charter review committee? You should immediately declare his placement on that committee at the recent organizational meeting invalid, remove him, and appoint his replacement.
Oh, another issue I need your support: I, as mayor, am not allowed to speak to the town's attorney without permission from the town manager (actually I must give the information to the town manager for him to relay to the town's attorney). I would like to see that changed to the mayor may contact the town's attorney regarding town issues only. (I do not mean this as a complaint against Mr. Hugg, I just think it is bad policy for the mayor of a town not to be able to directly talk to the town's attorney strickly about town business)
Just what is it that forbids the mayor from speaking to the town attorney concerning the town's business? The town manager? It really seems like you are behind the curve on procedural matters and on reporting relationships. The town charter does not provide that an elected mayor reports to the town manager or goes through him for anything. The town manager reports to the mayor and council -- not vice versa.
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Another article from Archives
Smyrna Council delays property tax decision
Debate over how much to increase taxes to pay for police station, public works building, and electric substation
By Seth Clevenger
Staff writer
Those of you who were holding your breath in anticipation of Smyrna’s new property tax rate can go ahead and exhale, at least for a couple more weeks.
At its April 17 meeting, Smyrna Town Council unanimously voted to table the tax issue until its next meeting on May 1.
This delay means that the two new members of Council that residents elect in the Smyrna municipal election on April 24 will be able to vote on the issue when the new tax rate is set.
Town Manager Dave Hugg said that if Council does not set the tax rate on May 1, it could cause complications for both the town and for taxpayers because the town sends out its property tax bills in the first week of May.
After the meeting, Councilman Douglas Chervenak said the delay will give two new minds – the newly-elected members of Council – the opportunity to provide input. The decision to table setting the tax rate also gives Council more time to consider the issue, he said.
Vice Mayor Bill Hill said he was leaning towards approving an extra five cents on the tax in order to make the town’s general fund self-sufficient, while putting the other proposed town projects on hold.
He said the maximum proposed rate would be too much, given the increase in the cost of electricity and fuel.
“People are really being hit hard by everything right now,” Hill said. “I’m not sure that they can afford it.”
Hill and Councilman Rick Burritt will no longer be members of Council when the vote is taken on May 1.
At its March 20 meeting, Council announced a maximum proposed property tax rate of 39.04 cents per $100 of assessed value under the new assessment.
Under the old assessment, Town of Smyrna property taxes were set at 31 cents per $100 of assessed value. But with the recent reassessment, the tax rate would automatically go down to the rollback rate of 17.26 cents without any actions by Council.
The maximum proposed rate would be enough to finance for several major town projects: a new police station, a new public works building, renovations in the downtown area, financing the electric substation and making the town’s general fund self-sufficient.
On May 1, Council can choose to put all the town projects aside and leave the tax at the rollback rate, increase the tax to the maximum to fund all of the proposed projects, or fund only some of the projects and leave the tax rate somewhere in between.
More topics from this Council meeting will be reported in next week’s Sun-Times.
ISSUE DATE 04/19/06
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 07:03 pm |
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Here is an article from Sun Times in 2006
Property tax hike considered
Smyrna Council to debate using property taxes to fund projects like new police station
By Seth Clevenger
Staff writer
Smyrna Town Council started the process of setting – and potentially raising – the town property tax rate at the March 20 Council meeting.
Council approved a motion to publish notices stating that the Town is considering an increase in property taxes. The proposal calls for raising the new rate after the reassessment by up to a maximum of 126 percent. The motion to publish the notices passed by a 5-2 vote, with Mayor Mark Schaeffer and Councilman Bill Pressley voting against it.
This vote did not actually change the tax rate; it only announced Council’s intention of setting a new rate. Council will vote on the issue at its April 17 meeting.
By law, Council must provide 15 days’ notice before changing the tax rate.
Town Manager Dave Hugg said that raising the tax to the maximum proposed rate of 39.04 cents per $100 of assessed value would be enough to pay for several planned projects for the town, including a new police station and public works building.
He said that on April 17, Council can choose to put all the town projects aside and leave the property tax at the rollback rate (the new rate after the reassessment), increase the tax to the maximum to fund all of the proposed projects, or fund only some of the projects and leave the tax somewhere in between.
What could a tax increase fund?
After the meeting, Hugg said that a tax increase could be used to fund a new police station, which would cost $4 million. He said the current plan for the police station is a scaled back version of the original concept that would have cost between $5.5 and $6 million.
Another possible town project is providing a new building for the public works and electric departments for $2.5 million. Hugg said the current public works building was built around 1930 and that an engineer had declared it “structurally unsafe.”
Council could also choose to use taxes for a $4.7 million loan to finance the new electric substation, Hugg said.
He said that the Town could use about $2 million to renovate the sewer, water and streets in downtown Smyrna.
Yet another option could be to use the property tax to make the Town’s general fund self-sufficient. Hugg said the general fund, which includes all Town departments except the water, sewer and electric utilities, currently relies on profits from the utilities to make up for its losses.
If the general fund was covered by the property taxes, utility profits could then be freed up for other town expenses. Alternatively, Council could reduce electric rates, Hugg said. He said that using property taxes to cover the general fund would require a 5.86 cent increase in the tax.
The maximum proposed rate of 39.04 cents would fund all of these projects, Hugg said.
It will be up to Council to decide how many of these projects should be financed through the property tax.
During the meeting, Councilman Pat Cahill said Council should keep in mind that residents have already been hit with increases in electric bills and gas prices.
“I think we should be very careful and conservative about any of these projects we don’t absolutely have to do at this time,” he said.
Schaeffer said he wanted more input before taking a stance on the issue.
“I would like to wait until I hear public comments before I express an opinion,” he said.
Councilman Douglas Chervenak also wanted to gather opinions from the public to aid his decision about where to set the tax.
“It’s what we hear from the community,” he said.
How much would taxes go up?
Here’s how property taxes in Smyrna would be affected by the proposed rate increase:
Under the old assessment, Town of Smyrna property taxes were set at 31 cents per $100 of assessed value.
But with the recent reassessment, the tax rate would automatically go down to 17.26 cents without any actions by Council because the assessment itself is revenue neutral. Although the new assessment may change taxes for individual properties, it cannot, by law, alter the total amount that the town brings in through property taxes.
The rollback rate of 17.26 cents is lower than the old rate of 31 cents because the total assessed value of the town went up due to the new assessment, while the total amount of tax collected by the Town remained the same. Hugg said the reassessment increased the total assessed value of the town from $331.1 million to $587.6 million, a 77.5 percent increase.
If raised all the way to the maximum proposed rate of 39.04 cents, the Smyrna property tax would increase by about 126 percent over the rollback rate.
But the actual change in a resident’s property taxes would depend on how much the assessed value of the property changed.
Here’s an example for a home that was valued at $120,000 under the old assessment and assessed at $200,000 in the recent reassessment:
If Council approves the maximum new rate of 39.04 cents, the property tax would jump from $372 under the old assessment and old rate to $780 under the new assessment and the maximum new rate. Using this example, the proposed rate hike would mean a $34 increase on monthly mortgage payments.
If Council chooses to leave the property tax at the rollback rate, the property tax would actually go down from $372 to $345 for the assessed values used in the example.
Calculate your property tax rate
To find out exactly how the rollback rate and the maximum proposed tax rate would affect your annual property taxes, plug the old and new assessed values for your property into the following equations:
Current tax rate = current assessed value (under old assessment) x 0.0031
Rollback tax rate = new assessed value (under new assessment) x 0.001726
Maximum proposed tax rate = new assessed value (under new assessment) x 0.003904
ISSUE DATE 03/22/06
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 06:33 pm |
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| My taxes increased 55%!!!! WTF!!! From $199.00 to 310.00!!! I will guarantee you that my house did not increase in value 55% in one year. Granted I do not live on the "hill" in one of the more expensive homes, but 55% in one year!!! OUTRAGEOUS! I did not attend any of the meetings because I never dreamed the taxes would be raised so much in one year. My electric bill sure as hell didn't go down an equal percentage. This is just crazy. Last edited on Sun May 11th, 2008 06:38 pm by ForeverSmyrna
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 06:18 pm |
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Pat Stombaugh wrote: Now you understand why I was opposed to the budget and the tax increase. No one came out to support me, and I can not change anything with one vote. We had public hearings - one person was there. You should have contacted your council representative and the finance committee members to object. Not all would have listened to you, because a few have their minds made up, but some of them would and MAYBE it could had made a difference.
I'm sorry, don't just blame council, blame yourselves for doing nothing. My father did have an excellent saying "Stand for what you believe in before you have nothing to stand for".
I need support from the citizens. This town does belong to you, not the elected officials and not the employees at town hall.....
Under Huggs Hybrid (skip to end for the same quote)faith wrote:
Hartly boy, you are so correct. The mayor is a close friend of mine. We do not agree all the time but she respects my opinion and does listen. She was elected because we wanted change but she can not make change alone with one or two other votes, there must be four to be a majority.
I did take the time to talk to each of the candidates. I believe Mr. Raynor was a needed choice. He is a little old school and very conservative but I think that is needed at this point to balance the spenders.
(Hugg, behind the scenes) Mullen, Thornton, Evans and White keep voting for spending on things that are not necessities. And after all that has been said, it seems they do not care, they are going to continue to do what they want rather it is wanted by the citizens or not. They have made the comment, people do not call them. Everyone in the town limits MUST call or email their council person and let them know your feelings. Copy the mayor so it can not be said that they did not receive your email.
I do not know Pat Conlon, only to see him, (the new parks director), but I hear he is a good person and cares about our town. The paper said he has been going door to door. I kind of doubt he will tell the negative, because it could influence his job, but if he will tell the truth, I would like to hear what the people are telling him. I have been at the mayor's house and I have personally heard what people are telling her.
Mayor Stombaugh - email: stombaugh4smyrna@comcast.net
Vice Mayor Pressley - wdpressley@comcast.net
Secretary White - smyrnamom06@yahoo.com
Councilman Mullen - oldtown09@comcast.net
Councilman Thornton - larry.t@comcast.net
Councilman Raynor - cleancar1@verizon .net
Councilman Evans - no email address
Their phone numbers are also listed on the town web site under "meet the council"
I love one of the Mayor's father's saying -
"Stand for what you believe in before you have nothing to stand for"
Mayor Stombaugh, yes you are also the poster faith. You and Faith both quoted your father as saying, "Stand for what you believe in before you have nothing to stand for"
You seem to have outed yourself. But, we already knew you were Faith.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 06:04 pm |
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Please stay on this one Topic Ms. Mayor.
Each of you are elected to represent us.
We are spelling out our discord with our actual taxes
and trying to figure out if the Town is actually charging us
what you all voted to do.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 06:01 pm |
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I'm taking $475.00 X 37%- $175.75.
$475. (175.75)=$ 300.00
But still if you are correct it's worse!
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If I take the Assessed Value of $175000.00
a 5% of each Hundred Dollars: 1750. X 5% = $87.50
That's what I was expecting.
Anyone have a simple formula that we Tax Payors can understand?
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 05:55 pm |
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Now you understand why I was opposed to the budget and the tax increase. No one came out to support me, and I can not change anything with one vote. We had public hearings - one person was there. You should have contacted your council representative and the finance committee members to object. Not all would have listened to you, because a few have their minds made up, but some of them would and MAYBE it could had made a difference.
I'm sorry, don't just blame council, blame yourselves for doing nothing. My father did have an excellent saying "Stand for what you believe in before you have nothing to stand for".
I need support from the citizens. This town does belong to you, not the elected officials and not the employees at town hall.
Wait until you see what Chervenek was trying to change the charter to read:
Here's one:
Position of Mayor. It was felt by the majority but not all of the committee that the title of mayor be eliminated. The position and duties as stated in the charter concerning the position entitled "mayor" would be applied to the new position of council president. The council president/chairman would be elected by the council at the first organizational meeting. We also would change the council membership to 3 from districts and 4 from at large. It was suggested that the council president be selected from the at large elected members.
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It was felt by the majority - (not true - this was his idea)
The council president/chairman would be elected by the council at the first organizational meeting. - (Council couldn't agree on a vice mayor a couple of terms ago, therefore, for a couple of months we had no vice mayor, and look at the problems of trying to appoint committees. He thinks council will choose a president/chairman between the seven of them - never happen - not with this council because most of them think it should be them. I would be surprised if two people would vote for the same person. More importantly, this policy would become a political issue instead of the people's choice)
It was suggested that the council president be selected from the at large elected members - (Why the at large? Isn't that discrimination?)
Enough people found out about this and were so upset; it was removed (for now)
When the NEW charter review committee is finished with their suggestions to council, I will make the information available to our citizens for input before it is sent to the legislators. Charter changes must go to our legislators before any changes can be made. Citizens can contact our legislators and voice their choice for or against.
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Thanks for your suggestions about the committee appointments. You are so right. I apologize to the citizens, I did not realize the recommendations were to come from the mayor only. I will speak to Mr. Jaywork about this.
Oh, another issue I need your support: I, as mayor, am not allowed to speak to the town's attorney without permission from the town manager (actually I must give the information to the town manager for him to relay to the town's attorney). I would like to see that changed to the mayor may contact the town's attorney regarding town issues only. (I do not mean this as a complaint against Mr. Hugg, I just think it is bad policy for the mayor of a town not to be able to directly talk to the town's attorney strickly about town business)
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 05:54 pm |
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Last year - $227.62
This Year - $359.71
Increase of $132.09
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 05:49 pm |
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SmyrnaDE wrote: Let's See...
My property's brand new tax assessment for 2007 led me to pay $300.00
This year's supposedly 5% Increase wants me to pay $475.00.
That is a 37% Increase!
I haven't seen any decrease in my utilites to equal the $175.00/ $14.58 mo. increase.
Edit to include: High 5 Gene. Way to go.
Wouldn't this be a 58% increase. If you paid $300 in 07 and it increased $175, that would be 58% wouldn't it? 50% of $300 is $150.
Edited to change $157 to $175, sorry I transposed my numbers.
Last edited on Sun May 11th, 2008 05:52 pm by They are all the same
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 05:45 pm |
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| So, if I had a 49% increase, my friend had an 18% increase, and you had a 37% increase that would be an average of an almost 35% increase in property taxes based on 3 residents tax bills. Anyone else want to register their taxes so we can do a good random survey and establish what kind of tax increase we are talking about?
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 05:40 pm |
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Taxation without Representation
I think we need to have a Tea Party.
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 05:24 pm |
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Let's See...
My property's brand new tax assessment for 2007 led me to pay $300.00
This year's supposedly 5% Increase wants me to pay $475.00.
That is a 37% Increase!
I haven't seen any decrease in my utilites to equal the $175.00/ $14.58 mo. increase.
Edit to include: High 5 Gene. Way to go.
Last edited on Sun May 11th, 2008 05:30 pm by SmyrnaDE
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Posted: Sun May 11th, 2008 04:19 pm |
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They are all the same wrote: gene mullen wrote: Information you may want to consider when posting to this page.
2007 Late Notices (sent) 10,416
Monthly High (August) 1184
Monthly Low (October) 708
Average Monthly Late Notices 868
Total Cutoffs in 2007 1123
Monthly High (August) 195
Monthly Low (July) 20
Average Cutoffs Per Month 94
2005 & 2006 numbers are pretty much the same. W |