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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 10:16 am |
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leakypipes wrote: Two Cents wrote: That would be the mayor's responsibility -- and she has been strangely silent in these forums for a few months. Maybe the council meeting beatings are wearing her down? I don't think the mayor has the capability to bring businesses here.
Leakypipes -- you are so correct -- that's an issue the voters will correct in about 9 months.
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Pat Stombaugh wrote: Sorry, I was taken into executive session and told I was not to contact any businesses to locate in our town. This is to be done by the Business Development Committee. I have given several recommendations, Ikea, Outback and --
We really do need a nice chain restaurant Outback, Fridays, CHILIS, whatever -- but if it's up to the Bus. Dev. Committee - that won't happen..... you know Mr. Sheridan will not reach out to bring other restaurants to our town. Afterall, he feels he is ENTITLED to our patronage.
I think Mayor Stombaugh should have every right to contact businesses for our town.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 04:16 am |
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My in-laws live near the Cabela's in Hamburg, PA, which was built in the early 2000's with big-time tax breaks and corporate welfare. There is no evidence that the investment has paid off:
"The Allentown Morning Call set out to determine if the $32 million subsidy package bestowed on the 247,000-square-foot Cabela's that opened in Hamburg, Pennsylvania in 2003 was paying off. The newspaper went back to the state and local agencies that bragged about the taxpayer benefits of the original deal. But the Pennsylvania Department of Economic and Community Development said it was not tracking sales tax revenue. And Tilden Township said it had no data on local property tax revenues. So no one knows if the deal is stimulating other new development. None of the public officials could provide any specific numbers about the deal's outcome. ...In other words, the public officials who take credit for high-profile deals are not about to go back and look to see if they are wasting taxpayers' money. By failing to keep records, they also make it hard for others to discover the truth. "
Source: http://www.goodjobsfirst.org/corporate_subsidy/cabela.cfm
Smokestack chasing has been replaced by Mega-Store chasing. Investing some public funds in helping home-grown businesses to start up costs a lot less, and they are more likely to give back to the community. It may not be as "sexy" but it could be better in the long run. Look at Newark's approach; Main Street is thriving!
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| Naw, killercharlie, can't see why they get 10 years of tax breaks for coming here. That's the standard blackmail big companies use and I'm glad the town didn't penalize it's own citizens for a multi-million dollar firm. If they are that shaky they need tax help to set up , they ain't much of a catch...
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Sorry, I was taken into executive session and told I was not to contact any businesses to locate in our town. This is to be done by the Business Development Committee. I have given several recommendations, Ikea, Outback and --
Check out "saharasams.com" (I think it is just what we need) Something for everyone. I was introduced to Sahara Sam's through my travel agency.
I asked if someone would contact them or should I - have not received an answer to date.
The town used to have a consultant - Mark (I do not have his last name with me - NOT SCHAEFFER). My understanding is this was the Mark mainly responsible for bringing Christiana Care to our town. George Chabbott, Chabbott Petrosky Commercial Realtors is responsible for many of the businesses at Simmons Corner.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 03:09 am |
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I remember reading some time back when Cabella's was talking with town government that Cabella's wanted 10 years of local tax breaks to soften their start up business. Town government denied the request citing infrastructure improvements to support all of the new development in area would not allow them to grant the requested tax breaks. Cabella's replied........BYE, BYE !!
Big mistake by Smyrna in my opinion.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 02:12 am |
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Two Cents wrote: That would be the mayor's responsibility -- and she has been strangely silent in these forums for a few months. Maybe the council meeting beatings are wearing her down? I don't think the mayor has the capability to bring businesses here.
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That's Smyrna, the vacation destination.....................
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Posted: Thu Jul 10th, 2008 11:02 pm |
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| That would be the mayor's responsibility -- and she has been strangely silent in these forums for a few months. Maybe the council meeting beatings are wearing her down?
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| I would be giddy with a Borders or B & N - satisfy my love of books and my love of Starbucks! Costco is great (IMO better than Sams) and any large store that will bring money and jobs to Smyrna is what we need. To see a strip mall of empty storefronts is just sad- Can planning and zoning recruit some stores that we can benefit from? Whose job is it to entice the stores to our town?
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I would love to see a Barnes & Noble or a Borders book store built in either
Dover or Smyrna! I hear Costco is a great store, never have been to one.
Heard it was similar to Sam's but BETTER!
Smyrna needs a steakhouse or seafood restaurant.
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Posted: Thu Jul 10th, 2008 05:16 pm |
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CC- Great jab at Wal-Mart! Love the new hardware store, the employees are incredibly helpful. Great selection and great prices. WELCOME TO SMYRNA!
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| I drove by a brand new Cabela's near Morgan City, La yesterday. So they are still adding stores.
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Someone wrote: ER, I might, but I don't say I do not like things or people.
except for me, right
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Equal Rights wrote: Someone wrote: Now if they built that store, than maybe ER could get a job there and make enough money to travel to Dover to wal-mart
Post a list of places in the area that are willing to hire a 70 year old at $15.00 an hour and I will apply. You better have skills for 15 bucks an hour, otherwise you are dreaming.
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| ER, I might, but I don't say I do not like things or people.
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ER, it is my opinion that, not only do you talk in circles, but you are a very mean spirted and hateful person. The beautiful picture of Marilyn Monroe does not suit you. After all, as my sainted grandmother always said, "Pretty is as pretty does." You do not do pretty. Sorry if this sounds hardlined, but you do not seem to care when you insult.
CCattie, I too saw the article in the NJ. Great job. Animals need caring after also. I understand that Leona Hemsley left about $300 billion of her estate to the caring of dogs. Even she had a soft heart when it came to animals.
ER, don't bother to respond to this as it will only make you look worse than you already do. But, please do us a favor and change your avatar to something that resembles the tone of your posts.
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Someone wrote: Well ER you got me there, can't come up with a darn place.
cc, she has a habit of talking in circles.
and you also
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Well ER you got me there, can't come up with a darn place.
cc, she has a habit of talking in circles.
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Someone wrote: Now if they built that store, than maybe ER could get a job there and make enough money to travel to Dover to wal-mart
Post a list of places in the area that are willing to hire a 70 year old at $15.00 an hour and I will apply.
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I believe they would if they have something to offer the town. Cabela's would cash in on tourism money and people would stop and eat in town while there. It wouldn't really change the local sporting stores. The locals would still use them. Why do I go to the new local hardware store in town? It is small close and there when I need it. I love not having to drive to the Dover or Middletown Lowes. The same applies to the stores in town. If they offer good customer service they'll do fine. Did the wafflehouse chain store take business away from Smyrna Diner? Nope, in fact Smyrna Diner is moving to be bigger and better.
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So I have things straight, you're now against Cabelas because it could hurt local sporting goods stores, but you said you are in favor of a local Wal-Mart (which has no history of hurting local business)Last edited on Thu Jul 10th, 2008 03:45 pm by ccattie
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| What about Smyrna Sporting Goods?..........will they still prosper? with a Cabela's.
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Smyrnite wrote: SmyrnaGuy- Now you will be accused by ER of being a Sam's club snob.  I'm already a Sam's club snob. I do the majority of my shopping there. It'd be nice to have both so you could take advantage of what each store offers.
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We recently spent time in an area that has a brand new Cabela's I was very impressed. While I was there people were commenting on how they went hours out of their way to see the store and shop. Cabela's made this small town a destination. The location was very similar to what was being considered here. Right off a major highway and caused little to no disruption to the local traffic. This company knows what it is doing. Employees were very helpful and the store was spotless. Quality merchandise and knowledgeable employees. Wow what a combination!!! If it is at all possible Cabela's should be a top priority for our town to pursue. This would bring new dollars to an economy that is struggling and provide well paying jobs for our children. It would boost the business of other's in the area the gas stations and resturants.
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Oh I would rejoice at a Costco. I was so sad that I had to "downgrade" (said that for you ER) to Sam's when I moved down here from Bear. Don't get me wrong. Sam's is great and clean and everything but Costco has a certain je ne sais qua about it that I just love. I still have memberships to both since I pass Costco on my way to and from work, but I don't go like I used to.
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| SmyrnaGuy- Now you will be accused by ER of being a Sam's club snob.
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| Now if they built that store, than maybe ER could get a job there and make enough money to travel to Dover to wal-mart
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ccattie, I think most everyone gets where you are coming from. You weren't being a snob in the least, ironically, it's ER who comes across that way. I agree with you- a store like a Cabelas would be great for town. Personally I'd like to see a Costco, since the closest one is in Newark. Either one would bring some jobs to town and give both locals and people passing by on Rt 1 a place to spend money.
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I am getting the impression that you are wealthy, well, I'm not and with the gas prices as high as they are I would prefer not to ride to Dover, Camden, or Middletown and I am certainly not interested in a Cabela's.
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Saying "Build, build, build that's all you people care about, no more nice little town of Smyrna" implies the town is no longer small. A towns size is based on it's population not the commerical size. So if the town had 200 residents but 20,000 stores it would still be classified as a small town. You said the small town is gone so that means you said the population went up from subdivisions. We don't need a Wal-mart. There is one in Dover, Camden, and soon Middletown. There is no point when there are that many so close. Tourist dollars are fantastic because they don't increase the town's size (should appeal to you). Are you so committed to your initial (wrong) impression that you cannot admit were wrong? Swallow your pride and move on. You're even coming around to support me by naming a bunch of small things we already have a lot of just as I have said we don't need any more liquor shops and check cashing places but you won't admit I was right. Just give up. Eash time you reply back, you help make my point. I know you'd never want that.
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Saying "Build, build, build that's all you people care about, no more nice little town of Smyrna" implies the town is no longer small. A towns size is based on it's population not the commerical size. So if the town had 200 residents but 20,000 stores it would still be classified as a small town. You said the small town is gone so that means you said the population went up from subdivisions. We don't need a Wal-mart. There is one in Dover, Camden, and soon Middletown. There is no point when there are that many so close. Tourist dollars are fantastic because they don't increase the town's size (should appeal to you). Are you so committed to your initial (wrong) impression that you cannot admit were wrong? Swallow your pride and move on. You're even coming around to support me by naming a bunch of small things we already have a lot of just as I have said we don't need any more liquor shops and check cashing places but you won't admit I was right. Just give up. Eash time you reply back, you help make my point. I know you'd never want that.
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Equal Rights writes: This is what I am talking about when I wrote call the cops, Smyrnite wrote this...These are not poor people - perhaps in the sense of "Poor Them", he is referring to the less than desirable addicted persons that litter our streets. Equal Rights writes: We don't need places for tourists to shop, we need places for the residents to shop, such as a Wal-mart etc. I never mentioned sub-divisions, see how things are misconstrued when someone's writings are not clear, I was referring to other things being built, such as, Gas Stations, Pizza Shops, Donot Shops etc, we don't need those.........................
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Again you show your foolishness. I am in favor of a store that brings in tourist dollars. Those dollars come in and the people leave to their vacation destinations. I don't know how that relates to wanting more subdivisions.
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Why do you keep telling me to call the cops. It isn't their job to clean trash from the roadside.
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You must be a friend of Mark Schaeffer, he only cared about money also. In fact I hear he made quite a bit off of the town of Smyrna and took it with him. Build, build, build that's all you people care about, no more nice little town of Smyrna. Gone forever.................Bring the people with the boats and RV's and Good Luck!!!!!! Call the cops if you have a problem, don't write it on here, they won't respond.
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Again you show your foolishness. I am in favor of a store that brings in tourist dollars. Those dollars come in and the people leave to their vacation destinations. I don't know how that relates to wanting more subdivisions.
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Why do you keep telling me to call the cops. It isn't their job to clean trash from the roadside.
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You must be a friend of Mark Schaeffer, he only cared about money also. In fact I hear he made quite a bit off of the town of Smyrna and took it with him. Build, build, build that's all you people care about, no more nice little town of Smyrna. Gone forever.................Bring the people with the boats and RV's and Good Luck!!!!!! Call the cops if you have a problem, don't write it on here, they won't respond.
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Gringo Honeymooner wrote: Wrong again. In the future you'd do well to ask somebody for the clarification you seek on a matter, before you make an unprovoked attack on them based on your perceptions - which apparently are marred by crap colored sunglasses.
That's why responses are made to a post, so that the writer can make the clarification....if they don't like being questioned they should not post.Last edited on Thu Jul 10th, 2008 02:09 pm by Equal Rights
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| You must be a friend of Mark Schaeffer, he only cared about money also. In fact I hear he made quite a bit off of the town of Smyrna and took it with him. Build, build, build that's all you people care about, no more nice little town of Smyrna. Gone forever.................Bring the people with the boats and RV's and Good Luck!!!!!! Call the cops if you have a problem, don't write it on here, they won't respond.
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Wow - I had no idea I would draw such anger. I was implying I wanted a store that would bring in big tourism dollars. The guy with a boat stopping by on vacation on his way to locations further south will drop thousands into the local community. The guy who doesn't care enough about his community that he leaves shopping carts up and down 13 is not. I guess you're in favor or more liquor stores and check cashing shops. I never said I am against poor people or against people in general. You know nothing of my chairty work aside from one article posted (notice I have seen none of you ER). That was one article posted about me of several charities I work with. I think everybody here has been down on their luck. Ditching a shopping cart on the street has nothing to do with money and everything to do with class. Which do you think would bring more to our town? A place where people stop and drop a ton of money on vacation (the time you have lots to spend) and then leave our area again or a business that doesn't bring in big dollars? Personally, it sounds like Cabela's would have been a license to print money for Smyrna without actually increasing the population of the town (ER - I am looking at you - notice it changes nothing about who lives around me). It seems win win does it not? If that makes me a snob, then I am a snob. I do not think it does.
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Thank you to all the sane folks on here who understood me and had my back!
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| Wrong again. In the future you'd do well to ask somebody for the clarification you seek on a matter, before you make an unprovoked attack on them based on your perceptions - which apparently are marred by crap colored sunglasses.
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ccattie wrote: I was talking to some friends from Wilmington and they asked me about the Cabela's deal. Is it officially dead? If so, what happened? I'd much rather have a business like that that would bring in the type of person who can afford a boat or RV vs the type of establishment that would bring in the guys who walk to the stores on 13 and ditch shopping carts a mile down the road.
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If you are going to write statements like this on this forum, you should be more explicit about who or what you are referring to and then I would not feel the need to make a negative reply to your posts. If these people are a problem why don't you notify someone on the Smyrna Police Department, those guys who everyone on this forum has so much respect for. I still consider you a snob with your statement of only wanting people living around you who can afford a boat or RV.
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There's not a pill you can take; there's not a class you can go to. Stupid is forever.
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| Great, we welcome Ms ER back with their, have no clue posts. I think cc was trying to CURB the issue.
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Apparently you do not live in the area or you would understand just who CC is referring to with "the guys who walk to the stores on 13 and ditch shopping carts a mile down the road." These are not poor people - perhaps in the sense of "Poor Them", he is referring to the less than desirable addicted persons that litter our streets. To attack Chris for this statement is simply unbelievable - A snob? You are the snobs. Would you rather have another crap-shop or a large chain that brings money into our town? Get your snobby heads out of the Smyrna sand and wake up and stop attacking others. Shame on YOU.
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His statement makes me think that he would rather be associated with someone who can afford a boat or an rv and people who are down on their luck most assuredly cannot afford either. His statement also makes me realize that ccattie would rather not have poor people around him. Unfortunately these people find it necessary to make a loan of a shopping cart to transport their purchases once in a while. Thus, ccattie appears to be a snob and not a do-gooder. If ccattie is a do-gooder than such thoughts should be kept to himself and not posted here.
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ccattie wrote: I was talking to some friends from Wilmington and they asked me about the Cabela's deal. Is it officially dead? If so, what happened? I'd much rather have a business like that that would bring in the type of person who can afford a boat or RV vs the type of establishment that would bring in the guys who walk to the stores on 13 and ditch shopping carts a mile down the road.
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I read that you are an advocate for animal rights, why don't you do something for the people who don't have or cannot afford a car and use the shopping carts to tranport their groceries or perhaps their children. Shame on you for caring more about animals than humans and being such a snob. How do you know he doesn't help people as well? Oh, that's right, you don't.
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Equal Rights wrote: ccattie wrote: I was talking to some friends from Wilmington and they asked me about the Cabela's deal. Is it officially dead? If so, what happened? I'd much rather have a business like that that would bring in the type of person who can afford a boat or RV vs the type of establishment that would bring in the guys who walk to the stores on 13 and ditch shopping carts a mile down the road.
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I read that you are an advocate for animal rights, why don't you do something for the people who don't have or cannot afford a car and use the shopping carts to tranport their groceries or perhaps their children. Shame on you for caring more about animals than humans and being such a snob. How do you know he doesn't help people as well? Oh, that's right, you don't.
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ccattie wrote: I was talking to some friends from Wilmington and they asked me about the Cabela's deal. Is it officially dead? If so, what happened? I'd much rather have a business like that that would bring in the type of person who can afford a boat or RV vs the type of establishment that would bring in the guys who walk to the stores on 13 and ditch shopping carts a mile down the road.
-c
I read that you are an advocate for animal rights, why don't you do something for the people who don't have or cannot afford a car and use the shopping carts to tranport their groceries or perhaps their children. Shame on you for caring more about animals than humans and being such a snob.
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Rightwinger
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Posted: Thu Jul 10th, 2008 03:40 am |
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The last I heard ( a few months ago) was that Cabella's decided not to open
in Smyrna.
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ccattie
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Posted: Wed Jul 9th, 2008 01:26 am |
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I was talking to some friends from Wilmington and they asked me about the Cabela's deal. Is it officially dead? If so, what happened? I'd much rather have a business like that that would bring in the type of person who can afford a boat or RV vs the type of establishment that would bring in the guys who walk to the stores on 13 and ditch shopping carts a mile down the road.
-c
Last edited on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 01:27 am by ccattie
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