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Posted: Fri Nov 21st, 2008 12:09 am |
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| Not much difference in electric bills on my end. I hope we get a whole new council next time. I think we should all run. No more Hoggers, we want bloggers. Sorry. Couldn't help getting glib.
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a fish out of water wrote: Not everyone in town owns property that lives here. Everyone who lives here pays for their electric. To me this means that only a portion of the residents are carrying the burden. I would rather pay higher electric than higher taxes. Let everyone pay their fair share.
I agree. To some extent, we can control our utility bills, and pay-for-usage is more fair. The only way we can "control" our property taxes is to let our homes go into disrepair, since curb appeal is a major part of the equation in assessing property values.
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Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 02:54 pm |
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BS wrote: OnlyMe wrote: "the mayor has very few clues about the letter of the town charter, indeed"
And MARK SCHAEFFER ignored all the rules laid out explicitly in the charter unless it suited him. He ran roughshod over the people who live and work in this town, and ran it as his own personal fifedom with the help of the police chief and town attorney. Which would you prefer? Letter of the law, indeed. Schaeffer acted as if no laws applied to him. I'd rather have ANYONE than that self-serving, abusive sack. His flagrant abuse of power and abuse of neighbors and persons who disagreed with him or poited out he was doing something wrong is sickening, as well as his disregard for laws and proper protocol. Give me inexperience any day. I'd rather give Stombaugh the benefit of the doubt that give Schaeffer a second chance. Indeed.
Amen and amen. The people of this town need to look at what is going on with the budget. In my opinion, this nonsense of lowering electric rates and uping the taxes-they are both up. What does this town want to do-take blood out of a stone? They should be looking at ways to cut back and lower our taxes and electric. As more and more people are being laid off, they want to spend spend spend-my opinion.
Schaeffer never raised our taxes. Not everyone in town owns property that lives here. Everyone who lives here pays for their electric. To me this means that only a portion of the residents are carrying the burden. I would rather pay higher electric than higher taxes. Let everyone pay their fair share.
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Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 01:55 am |
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OnlyMe wrote: "the mayor has very few clues about the letter of the town charter, indeed"
And MARK SCHAEFFER ignored all the rules laid out explicitly in the charter unless it suited him. He ran roughshod over the people who live and work in this town, and ran it as his own personal fifedom with the help of the police chief and town attorney. Which would you prefer? Letter of the law, indeed. Schaeffer acted as if no laws applied to him. I'd rather have ANYONE than that self-serving, abusive sack. His flagrant abuse of power and abuse of neighbors and persons who disagreed with him or poited out he was doing something wrong is sickening, as well as his disregard for laws and proper protocol. Give me inexperience any day. I'd rather give Stombaugh the benefit of the doubt that give Schaeffer a second chance. Indeed.
Amen and amen. The people of this town need to look at what is going on with the budget. In my opinion, this nonsense of lowering electric rates and uping the taxes-they are both up. What does this town want to do-take blood out of a stone? They should be looking at ways to cut back and lower our taxes and electric. As more and more people are being laid off, they want to spend spend spend-my opinion.
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Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 08:48 pm |
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Bluesman wrote: Mayor Strombaugh is going by the letter of the town charter for recommendations, appointments to committees, instead of the good ol boy way it has been done in the past.
An article in the Nov 19 Sun-Times news paper will say that the mayor is continuing her "recommending" people for committees rather than appointing them. On Monday Nov 17 the mayor recommended that Regina Brown be on the personnel committee, recommended that James Wolfe be on the planning & zoning committee, recommended that Marthe Wagner be on the Election®istration committee and then recommended that some unspecified individual person from downtown renaissance committee be made a part of a committee.
To recommend it to suggest that somebody is favorably suited for the position (as could be countless others), whereas to appoint is to officially select somebody specific for the position. I believe the town charter calls for the mayor to appoing committees, not to recommend. Mayor Pat, please learn this. You have been office for a year and one half, now.
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| But TAATS ---- She may not have been kidding -- there is some possibility that she believes herself. She evidently actually believes herself to be mayoral material. That is about scary enough for many.
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Two Cents wrote: LOL --- I think. The State News Sunday contained an article about Delaware mayors comparing themselves to Ms. Palin as a candidate for the vice presidency. This is a time to be very scared, people -- mayor Stombaugh was quoted as expressing that a "Biden for president, Stombaugh for vice president" ticket would be a good thing. She is evidently either quite narcissistic or attempting to develop a comedy routine.
This was the best laugh I've had in a month.
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| Hell, why not? We had a peanut farmer for president a few years ago. Clinton. Bush. Where are the leaders who could set a correctr course for the country? They are not the mayors of Delaware towns, for certain.
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Posted: Sun Oct 12th, 2008 03:25 pm |
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| LOL --- I think. The State News Sunday contained an article about Delaware mayors comparing themselves to Ms. Palin as a candidate for the vice presidency. This is a time to be very scared, people -- mayor Stombaugh was quoted as expressing that a "Biden for president, Stombaugh for vice president" ticket would be a good thing. She is evidently either quite narcissistic or attempting to develop a comedy routine.
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Posted: Sat Oct 11th, 2008 03:59 am |
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"Shell game Mullen could no doubt design a new tax and utility rate scheme -- like the recent one he designed -- to raise needed revenue. Remember the lowering of electric rates and increase in property taxes?? Property taxes skyrocketed -- no noticeable reduction in electric. "
Raise ur hand & say "HIGH FIVE- MULLEN"
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Posted: Wed Oct 8th, 2008 11:04 pm |
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Council votes not to send mayor to League of Cities conference
During the meeting, Mayor Pat Stombaugh requested that council send her to the 2008 National League of Cities Conference in Orlando this November.
“I struggled asking for this, but I’d like to go,” said Stombaugh, who said her high estimate for the cost of the trip was $2,500.
Stombaugh said she learned a lot at a previous conference in New Orleans and brought a lot back to the town.
“If we want to bring things to our town, we have to leave our town to make it happen,” she said.
But council didn’t support the idea.
“It’s very confusing for the mayor to come before council asking for money to go on a trip,” responded Councilman Gene Mullen. “At this point, I don’t see us spending the money.”
Mullen said these conferences can be educational, but added that they can also be a “big party.”
Councilman Larry Thornton also said that these conferences can be beneficial, but said that he couldn’t endorse the trip at this juncture.
Council voted 6-0 against sending Mayor Stombaugh to the conference. Stombaugh abstained.
http://www.scsuntimes.com/news/x256664889/Smyrna-Town-Council-news-briefs
I don't think that the mayor was trying to get the town to fund a "big party" for her.
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Posted: Wed Oct 8th, 2008 02:25 pm |
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| Shell game Mullen could no doubt design a new tax and utility rate scheme -- like the recent one he designed -- to raise needed revenue. Remember the lowering of electric rates and increase in property taxes?? Property taxes skyrocketed -- no noticeable reduction in electric.
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| Wonder how long it will be until the new gripe about the mayor is the cost of the new police station and how the town has run out of money for it. Saw that in the News Journal this morning. Of course, the cause of that problem is the high growth rate you townies put in place by annexing everything around you so the developers could put up more houses [whiich don't pay for themselves in tax revenue, never have]. Since there is no tendency to blame yourselves for that mess, I guess the mayor is going to have to take another one for the team, eh?
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Posted: Wed Oct 8th, 2008 01:39 pm |
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yun1095 wrote: Mrs. Olive, How do you know that something good is coming out of a Convention if you don't attend? Its not like going to an AARP Convention and standing in line for a free colonoscopy
I think I said that the mayor should not be going to conventions unless there was a real belief that something good for Smyrna would come home with her. She has been to the same mayors convention before and brought nothing home but a bag stuffed with nonsense that vendors gave away. How does that help the town of Smyrna and its residents?
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Posted: Wed Oct 8th, 2008 12:17 pm |
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http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20081008/NEWS/81008008
Let's all chip in here. Or let's raise the town rates, or sell the TM's car
Extra here, so how is the new pipes and electric coming in the downtown area, and the new Public Works building is being built, right.
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Olive wrote: I also think the mayor should not go out on a convention unless there is a strong belief that something good would come of it . There should be plenty of work for her to do right here.
Mrs. Olive, How do you know that something good is coming out of a Convention if you don't attend? Its not like going to an AARP Convention and standing in line for a free colonoscopy
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Two Cents wrote: Ms. Mayor -- there are people on the "Public Transportation topic in the Smyrna forum calling for public transportation in and around the town. Have you any ideas on how to get that service initiated? Yup. Its called a car pool. Aint no reason fer the state to spend extry money just fer a few hobblin townfolk. Wheres the profit fer the state? Aint no mayer issue anyhow. Call the guvnor.
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Posted: Tue Oct 7th, 2008 09:53 pm |
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| Ms. Mayor -- there are people on the "Public Transportation topic in the Smyrna forum calling for public transportation in and around the town. Have you any ideas on how to get that service initiated?
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Posted: Sun Oct 5th, 2008 05:52 pm |
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| I also think the mayor should not go out on a convention unless there is a strong belief that something good would come of it. There should be plenty of work for her to do right here.
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Playing the Game wrote: Easy Blues, these are a strange breed in Smyrna. Be glad you chose Milford to live in. The sign at the town limits says "Welcome to Smyrna if you are a Native, everyone else go home"
PTG - have to disagree with that...I am not native and have been very welcomed.
What!!! Who said that is no Santa Claus - that is not true!!! there is because the GREAT PUMPKIN told me! Rumors rumors.....
-Have a good day all...........
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Playing the Game wrote: Easy Blues, these are a strange breed in Smyrna. Be glad you chose Milford to live in. The sign at the town limits says "Welcome to Smyrna if you are a Native, everyone else go home"
I read you post fast and I thought it said:
"Welcome to Smyrna if you are Naked, everyone else go home"
I've seen some people from the community and they were clothed and that was scary enough. Naked 
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a fish out of water wrote: Hey Blue. You think you know who I am. Well guess again. Who do you think you are presuming to know me. You know nothing about me. Go play your instrument.
I haven't commented or directly made a post to you or about you. Try not hitting off your crack pipe before you post.
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Playing the Game wrote: Easy Blues, these are a strange breed in Smyrna. Be glad you chose Milford to live in. The sign at the town limits says "Welcome to Smyrna if you are a Native, everyone else go home"
HEY DUDE, YOUR THE GUY THAT RAGGED ON JODY SWEENEY FOR PUTTING UP A LITTLE POLITICAL SIGN DOWN THERE IN YOUR COMPOUND IN DOVER. IT WAS AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE COMPOUND. NOT ON YOUR FRONT YARD. AT LEAST SMYRNAS SAID "WELCOME TO SMYRNA" WHETHER THEY MEAN IT OR NOT.
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| Hey Blue. You think you know who I am. Well guess again. Who do you think you are presuming to know me. You know nothing about me. Go play your instrument.
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| On the contrary oh knower of all....................................... Virginia is still listed as a member.
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Actually 71.200, it looks to me like daddy's little girl got thrown off the blog.
They are all the same wrote: Uh oh Virgina. Looks like you ticked off IP address.
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| Easy Blues, these are a strange breed in Smyrna. Be glad you chose Milford to live in. The sign at the town limits says "Welcome to Smyrna if you are a Native, everyone else go home"
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Posted: Tue Sep 30th, 2008 11:07 pm |
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At the very beginning of this thread it was established that the funding did not come from Smyrna coffers, but that a private citizen funded the Mayor attending the conference.
Posted: Thu Sep 25th, 2008 05:26 pm
They are all the same wrote:
The Sun reported this in the council article. In light of today's political climate in which all contributions to any person who holds public office are under scrutiny, I would like to know who the citizen is that anonymously contributed to Mayor Stombaugh in order for her to attend a seminar in New Orleans. This is public information and is required by law to be disclosed. There also max amounts. I think for Mayor it is $600 per cycle. Go to State of Delaware and then click on Department of Elections for info regarding this.
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| Uh oh Virgina. Looks like you ticked off IP address.
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| Personal Note: There is no Santa Claus, Virginia. There are, however, lawyers who can make for one horrible Christmas. Expect to hear from them.
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| I don't think this is the time to be spending money on anything. Now is the time to tighten the belt. That means staying home and taking care of business. The town could cut plenty of waste which could be mean that we might be able to pass along some utility rate reductions to people of Smyrna.
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cottoncandy wrote: Passing Time wrote: CC - please keep in mind that it has been the Mayor (whom I support) all along SCREAMING to cut back and save and pinch pennies then wants to go to a conference! She wants to cut funds - she should not have asked to go. I believe it would be great to send her...but she can't flip flop
Those who oppose the mayor's request to go to a NATIONAL League of Cities' conference fail to understand that this is an investment for the future of our Town. I know Mayor Pat is eager to learn whatever she can to help Smyrna and its citizens and will attend as many of the workshops as she can fit into her schedule. Because she will need to choose which workshops to attend since they are held concurrently, at least one other council person or the TM should have gone. It's impossible to make informed decisions for the Town if you make no effort to keep informed.
I agree that Mayor Stombaugh is eager to learn but I have been to council meetings and the most I heard from lasts years conference was she was up early and to bed late and built a playground. I do not have heartache with her going but again she is screaming to cut the spending. I am aware of two other members who wanted to attend last year...again tax payers money is paying for this...you are correct about making informed decisions for the town and I believe there are many people on this blog who do not attend meetings and have no right to speak because they too are not informed. I am not bully the Mayor I support her...but...my electric is going up...and I would rather see that money stay in the town..along with selling the TM truck and wasteful spending stopped. Go to the meetings - speak on the floor...tell them what you WANT to see - don't offer a suggestion - then follow up with your request. This is an opinion site - these are just mine...
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Passing Time wrote: CC - please keep in mind that it has been the Mayor (whom I support) all along SCREAMING to cut back and save and pinch pennies then wants to go to a conference! She wants to cut funds - she should not have asked to go. I believe it would be great to send her...but she can't flip flop
Those who oppose the mayor's request to go to a NATIONAL League of Cities' conference fail to understand that this is an investment for the future of our Town. I know Mayor Pat is eager to learn whatever she can to help Smyrna and its citizens and will attend as many of the workshops as she can fit into her schedule. Because she will need to choose which workshops to attend since they are held concurrently, at least one other council person or the TM should have gone. It's impossible to make informed decisions for the Town if you make no effort to keep informed.
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OH PLEASE VIRGINIA/TAATS/MS FAUX BOOB
YOU AND YOUR ALIAS BECOME MORE PATHETIC BY THE HOUR.
NOW YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF A CREATIVE WRITER - ME THINKS YOU ARE THE ONE DRINKING AND SLANDERING, NOT THE "NEW YORKERS" - AND MORE TO THE POINT, BORING EVERYONE HERE ON THIS JERRY SPRINGER BLOG.
TELL SNUGGLEFIELD EVERYONE ENJOYED HER PICTURES.
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| CC - please keep in mind that it has been the Mayor (whom I support) all along SCREAMING to cut back and save and pinch pennies then wants to go to a conference! She wants to cut funds - she should not have asked to go. I believe it would be great to send her...but she can't flip flop
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| Actually GP it is you who doesn't care what Taats says. Most of us enjoy a variety of opinions or we wouldn't be here. Get the knot out of your shorts for a while.
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Yes, but you seem to have a hard time coming to grips with the fact that NOBODY ON THIS FORUM CARES WHAT YOU THINK! 
You can keep posting until the cows come home but you have no credibility!
Any valid points you may have are lost in the fact that your posts are self-serving.
They are all the same wrote: The fact is that the Mayor and council appear to be incompetent. The back Smugg and he is running the town into the ground. Wake up. Look at the town and your bills. Facts are facts. You can belly ache and whine all you want. I think Stombaugh is a pathetic excuse for a mayor.
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| The fact is that the Mayor and council appear to be incompetent. The back Smugg and he is running the town into the ground. Wake up. Look at the town and your bills. Facts are facts. You can belly ache and whine all you want. I think Stombaugh is a pathetic excuse for a mayor.
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Bluesman -- Thank you for perhaps convincing them that I am not who they seem to think I am. I agree that each council member and the mayor do have a responsibility to know what the charter provides for and their individual responsibilities are under the charter. If you have read the town minutes for 5/5 and 5/19 that I have referenced in an earlier post, it is obvious that neither seem to know -- or maybe they just don;t care.
For whatevcer reason, some seem to think that I am posting in defense of the former Mayor - and I am not. My opinions are directed at people currently in office.
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Two Cents wrote: I have done exactly what I had promised myself that I would'nt do -- review town minutes concerning the committee appointments. Go to the town website and click on the minutes for May 5, 2008. Scroll down to read pages 16, 17, and 18 which give an account of the committee appointment process in use that night and pay particular attention to who made the committee appointments. Then read the minutes for May 19, where the minutes of the May 5 Mayor and Council meeting were approved. Then scroll down to beginning near the bottom of page 4 through the middle of page 6, where an effort was made for the Mayor's appointments - which she for some reason continued to classify as recommendations - were eventually confirmed. But even as those appointments (recommendations) were being confirmed, she continued to permit discussion by council members and for their appointments to come forward, instead of simply asserting her prerogative and ruling them "out of order."
Did Town counsel speak up and correct anyone ?
Or any Chairman of any council or committee who has been in office longer than the Mayor ?
Not making excuses for the Mayor, but every council member especially chairpersons should and have a responsibility to know the town charter. They need to know how it specifically applies to their role within the local government.
Good Lord, how can anyone answer a challenge, if the person being challenged doesn't know the towns basic charter laws.
BTW: Grey Poupon I happen to know Two Cents, he is not the former Mayor, or related to the former mayor or associated with the former Mayor in any way.
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| We are falling into a trap to debate Mayor Pat's effectiveness vs. the former mayor's ineffectiveness. There is really no need to defend her in this forum, since her supporters know that she is truly working for the people of the Town and not lining her own pockets.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 05:26 pm |
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NOW THERE'S SHOWING SOME ARROGANCE AND DISREGARD FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE ONCE YOUR CONSTITUENTS!!! DON'T WORRY - WE WILL ALL MAKE SURE THE NEWBIES KNOW ABOUT YOU, YOUR ARROGANCE AND YOUR UN-ELECTABILITY! YOU MAY AS WELL STOP PRE-CAMPAIGNING. YOU WILL NEVER BE MAYOR HERE AGAIN.
"It isn't my fault if the town residents were satisfied or were so apathetic that nobody wanted to challenge his candidacy at a town election.. "
Two Cents wrote: Smyrnite wrote: M$ was "elected and re-elected by the citizens" ???
The first time he ran the incumbant didn't run againt him, he was hood-winked into believing M$ BS that he would do a good job for Smyrna. The next time M$ ran un-opposed and then the NEXT time he stole the election by two absentee ballots HE HANDED OUT. THEN He got beat by a girl.
That must be considered being elected and re-elected in YOUR eyes, I suppose. The rest of us know who he really is.
Smyrnite -- Thank you for providing the details of the former mayor's political life in smyrna, and for acknowledging that I was correct in asserting that he was elected and re-elected. It isn't my fault if the town residents were satisfied or were so apathetic that nobody wanted to challenge his candidacy at a town election..
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 04:55 pm |
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| Those who don't read hold no advantage over those who can't.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 04:08 pm |
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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 04:02 pm |
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2¢ For Mayor, Got my Vote
No freakin' way.....
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 03:58 pm |
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2¢ For Mayor, Got my Vote
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 03:50 pm |
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OnlyMe wrote: My problem is people like you who insist on going after a mayor who is at least trying to help the people of Smyrna. Where were you when Schaeffer was pillaging Smyrna? Where were you when Schaeffer was going after his perceived enemies using both the Town of Smyrna & the State of Delaware to do so funded by we the taxpayers? If you want to show outrage you could have done so when actual crimes were being commited. Instead you come in and second guess the current mayor. Pat was elected by the people (Fair and square) because people were fed up with Mark and his shenanigans and shady dealings. You are the problem. You chose one thing to fixate on and blur out the past? Well, I fixate on the injustices done to Smyrna. I have a long memory for such things. The people got screwed over BIG TIME and I will not forget.
Only Me -- What is your fairly and squarely elected Mayor doing to help and what has been accomplished? For the record, I don't have any reason to believe that she is a bad person or bad elected official - but I do perceive that she is very short on knowledge about town charter and procedures. I perceive her as an inept seat-warmer until a real leader is elected. In addition to the council minutes things that I posted a few minutes ago, look at page 7 ot the May 19 minutes where she goes on as to how she was advised by the town police chief that the beginning time for committee meetings is the prerogative of the committee chairperson. Who the hell is the police chief to be providing non-police advice to the Mayor? Why would the Mayor seek the police chief advice and counsel on such a matter? Why not the town manager or town lawyer?
Have you considered that maybe I was not living in the area when the former Mayor was in office? I didn't think so. You are fixated on the past, about which nothing can be done except to put it behind you. If you desire to never forget it, that's OK - but it is over. The people of the town relieved him of his duties a couple years ago.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 03:40 pm |
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 03:37 pm |
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| My problem is people like you who insist on going after a mayor who is at least trying to help the people of Smyrna. Where were you when Schaeffer was pillaging Smyrna? Where were you when Schaeffer was going after his perceived enemies using both the Town of Smyrna & the State of Delaware to do so funded by we the taxpayers? If you want to show outrage you could have done so when actual crimes were being commited. Instead you come in and second guess the current mayor. Pat was elected by the people (Fair and square) because people were fed up with Mark and his shenanigans and shady dealings. You are the problem. You chose one thing to fixate on and blur out the past? Well, I fixate on the injustices done to Smyrna. I have a long memory for such things. The people got screwed over BIG TIME and I will not forget.
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