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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 01:19 pm |
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| Yes, one could look at the schhol system in general---and with much confidence.
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 01:00 pm |
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frustrated, I was going from more of the aspect that the parent is less able to say anything to the coach in football and wrestling, both at practice and game time.
I agree on how you deal with the ones who are disrespectful. They will go away. Eventually we see their names in the crime section of the paper.
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 12:52 pm |
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Smyrnaguy I disagree that the parents do not see the coaches actions at football games or even wrestling. It happens at the games where it is very visable. You CAN see the frustrations of the coach being vented to the players. There is no harm in it, it keeps them on their toes.
And again my point about dealing with kids that are disrespectful, DONT !!! They will soon go away. You absolutely cannot deal with somebody that does not want to be rehabilitated. Its different to teach somebody a different way of executing a play or hustle or put their game face on. But when it comes to ignorance and disrespect its just like drug addiction or alcoholism, if they dont want to better themselves in their heart-- it wont change. When I say dont deal with them and they will go away I mean show them that you dont need them on the team. Concentrate on the players that want to be there and if it IS in their hearts they will soon see that there is a better way of life than being an ahole. This life lesson will prove to them when going up against other individuals in life, ie: job hunting etc.. that the world does not want people with no direction, no goals, no respect for society. Afterall those are the qualities that will maintain our safety and help us prosper throughout life.
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 12:46 pm |
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| Two pages on HS baseball...wow. Is this all we have to worry about? Does it feel THAT good to complain, place blame, point fingers? A 5-year-old was just killed in our town, people are losing jobs -- and we are worried about HS BASEBALL?
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 12:40 pm |
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| So Smyrna has the worst parents then other towns. Other towns have baseball teams, some have these problems and some don't, I might add they have the winning teams. This is a combination of three things here, everyone has pointed out those three. And if the coaches hands are tied, then i guess need to look at the school itself. All three together make the one big problem. But that is just my opinion.
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 12:02 pm |
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| iblog, You are right, disrespectfulness does begin at home. But our points here are dealing with those brats. Nobody is or never has pointed a finger at anyone in the system about creating that type of behavior. The issue is to those who support it or do nothing about it. Something CAN be done. Its just to what length somebody wants to go to prove their point. Teachers and coaches are paid to create educated people and if they are not backed by the system then you must make a choice---consider your hands tied, which most do, or move on to the next level a take a stand in what you beleive in. Once you dig and get to the bottom of childrens issues IT WILL come back "home". So when you stand up and get to that point, ("home"), more people will see your side of the issue. Its really not that complicated, just a little extra mile that needs to be traveled. And I'm not talking about the AD or the school board, they are basically useless. More a go with the flow if you will.
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Posted: Thu May 7th, 2009 12:44 am |
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frustrated even more wrote: Its hard to understand that a little good harsh contructive criticism would harm a coaches reputation. Its a well known fact that football coaches and wrestling coaches are very demanding to their players. Why would'nt it be the same for all the other sports. Parents don't have easy access to wrestling practices and football practices. Baseball they can come and sit a few feet away from where it's taking place. Same with the games. Football games are coached a good ways away from any parents. Wrestling, the lineup is decided by the kids in the wrestling room, not by whose dad paid for the fence around the ball field, so there is no discussion of who gets to wrestle in the starting lineup.
I agree that the coaches should be able to dole out constructive criticism, and even dole out some WTF are you doing stuff from time to time. It's hard dealing with a group of disrespectful kids who don't want to listen to anything you say. It's worse as a volunteer coach because you really have no recourse. They paid their money and are guaranteed playing time.
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Posted: Wed May 6th, 2009 10:51 pm |
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| Everybody wants to point a finger at somebody else... It all starts at home!
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Posted: Wed May 6th, 2009 08:53 pm |
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| I'm really not sure. Ask Cole. I'm sure he will tell you the s**t that he went through for trying to keep order on the team.
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Posted: Wed May 6th, 2009 08:41 pm |
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| Its hard to understand that a little good harsh contructive criticism would harm a coaches reputation. Its a well known fact that football coaches and wrestling coaches are very demanding to their players. Why would'nt it be the same for all the other sports.
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Posted: Wed May 6th, 2009 07:56 pm |
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| I understand what you have to say, and i respect every bit of it, but like you said, i am standing up for my coaches. They can't refute what everyone is saying because they will be risking their jobs if they do so. I just think that the losses during the season goes much deeper than the lack of effort by the coaches. Trust me, that's one thing that no one will ever have to worry about. Deisem and Cole pour their heart and soul into the program, it's just hard for you all to see because you have never witnessed it. But i understand why everyone is calling them out, because of the unfortunate past seasons. I just think that if Cole and Deisem try to put their foot down, feelings are going to get hurt and parents are going to go to the board. cole and deisem may not lose their jobs, but they've already been through the whole deal before, and they shouldn't have to do it again.
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Posted: Wed May 6th, 2009 07:39 pm |
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| I am a person who will fight for what I beleive in. If the issue came about where I would have to worry about someone being on my back, (as you referenced the DOE), I would still stand up for what I beleive to be right. Not enough people in this world do that. Would I jeopardize my job for it, I most certainly would not, but I really do not think it would come to that in this situation. For every ten people that are frustrated about this situation and speaking out there are 20 more that are not speaking about it. Life is about selling ideas. Sell the idea that you can make a difference in the program by weeding out the rifs. Develop the respectable people you have and guarantee more WILL follow. Good people want to be involved and around good people. People with no respect are intimidated by people that have it and WILL NOT HANG AROUND. Misery loves company as the old saying goes. People that do not respect others are miserable, thats why they act out. Trust me they will leave, they will feel outnumberd and seek people like them. Again as far as the DOE is concerned, they are governed also. Everyone is by someone !
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Posted: Wed May 6th, 2009 07:21 pm |
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I think it's a more, "d**n if you do, d**n if you don't" type situation. Cole and Deisem could be strict, and try to discipline the players, but it would all end the same. A few parents would get pissed because the coaches are raising their voices at their wimp little children, and they would once again have the coaches taken to the board. Deisem and Cole love coaching; they love teaching kids how to become better people, as well as better ball players. I really don't think either of them want to throw all of it away. It's just not worth it. Kids today don't show as much respect, being a kid, i know that's true. I'm not saying that i don't show respect, but i know that many kids today are different than when you were in school. Respect is an option to alot of the players on the team, and regardless of how Deisem and Cole treat them, it's never going to change. Cole and Deisem can be strict at times, but demanding respect is not their top priority. And it shouldn't be. Attempting to "rehabilitate" the kid's attitudes would result in a pissed off player crying to his parents, and eventually have cole and deisem with the DOE on their backs, telling them that they should loosen up on the kids.
Oh and by the way, whoever said that Cole and Deisem are being replaced next year, that's definitely not true. Good try though.
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Posted: Wed May 6th, 2009 07:20 pm |
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| You're right, nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors. We do however notice the lack of results.
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| Can we stop bringing teachers into this? NONE of you know what happens behind closed doors.
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| I cant speak for that situation because I have no knowledge of that but it would seem to me the reprimand would have depended on how the situation of the bad attitude was handled at that time. If it was something like a few weeks ago episode after a game then the administrators all should have their heads examined. But still reprimand or not, right is right and wrong is wrong. If it may cost someones job then whoever is doing the reprimand needs to be looked into. As long as the case is documented and all bases are covered I really think the DOE would step in to protect against these issues. A lot of things in this world have been brushed under the carpet and chalked up to "nothing ever happens like that here" and we get suprised. I know, this is as minor as a baseball issue but stranger things have happened. Still the focus for educators is to produce a better quality person and the people that buck that system, (ie: people giving reprimands), are the ones that skipped through life without the pleasure of discipline. And your point about players taking over, if any facility in this country allows that kind of behavior then god help us, we will be promoting our own doom !! That is the stupidest way to handle an uncooperative individual.
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Posted: Wed May 6th, 2009 06:40 pm |
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| Frustrated Even More you do have a good point, but three years ago Cole was taken to the school board and reprimanded for trying to rid the team of bad attitudes. It's a lose-lose situation for the coaches. If they try to keep their players obedient, parents complain because they are being too "mean" to the players. And now that they are trying to back off a little, more people are complaining because the players are taking over. I'm not saying that you are wrong, I'm just saying that no matter what the coaches do, they are looked down upon.
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Posted: Wed May 6th, 2009 06:34 pm |
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| Then when something drastic happens we all ask the infamous question "WHY"
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frustrated even more wrote: You also mentioned at the end of this message that "its not something cole and diesum are doing wrong", well my reply is based on that and only that. The only thing they are doing wrong is letting players get away with whatever they want.
The coaches are school teachers. They permit the young people to conduct themselves on the baseball field the same way teachers tolerate them in classrooms.
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| smyrnabaseball Your interpretation of me calling them bad people is way off. My views are only based on how they handle the disruptions on the field, a fact that you have managed to reiterate by saying a lot of players walk on the field thinking that their "crap" dont stink. Thats the whole issue that the coaches have failed to fix. They have the power to change that. Nobody can disagree with that. The players that act like you are saying are the ones dictating the game outcome, again thats where the coaches are failing. No the coaches cant make anyone catch a ball or hit the ball for an rbi or at least get on base. That is uncontrollable. BUT, attitudes ARE NOT. Which has been my point from the start. The coaches DO have control over that, and if they dont control it then again my point----LET THE DISRUPTIONS LEAVE THE TEAM. They will, trust me, a hothead like that is not going to be satisfied sitting on the bench. You also mentioned at the end of this message that "its not something cole and diesum are doing wrong", well my reply is based on that and only that. The only thing they are doing wrong is letting players get away with whatever they want. I know you agree, its in your message. You have the same frustrations watching know it all idiots dictate and have absolutely NOTHING to show for your hard work and dedication. This whole situation is not fair to dedicated people like yourself. Thats what needs to be fixed. The team does not JUST NEED TO START WINNING, that will come when players start respecting one another and their coaches. You said it correctly the other day, the type of individuals that we are talking about, the ones that think they will make it to the pros are in fact the ones that need to leave. They wouldnt last one hour as a bat boy.
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| Frustrated Even More- you called them bad people. You said they could care less about the players, and are only out for the money. The last I checked, that isn't a compliment. You're right, I do have respect for both Cole and Deisem, and I will stick up for them any day. The fact of the matter is, most of the kids on the roster this season, and for the past few seasons, are underclassmen. They all think their better than everyone else on the field, when in reality; their horrible. Trust me, i've been frustrated by this since my junior year. They walk on the field like their playing for the yankees, but have the skill level of junior league kids. Sure they played on the team before, but they don't listen. It's not that the coaches aren't respecting and caring for the players, because they do. Last season we had a coach from CR helping out with the team. He basically ran the varsity practices. CR is one of the best teams in Delaware, and we received the same coaching fundamentals as they did from our new coach. To be honest, it did absolutely nothing. All of us uperclassmen listened, we knew that he coached a great team, so he must be able to help. But it didn't help our record one bit. Kids still made stupid errors, and got all pissed off, and eventually that threw the game for us. It's not something that cole and deisem are doing wrong. It's the players who think they are equivalent to Derek Jeter, when they definitely suck.
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frustrated even more wrote: If they dont produce and have a poor attitude ----SIT THEM. Nobody will become a better person in life just by pushing them through the system and not addressing their issues.
These coaches are school teachers. THey don't know any better. This is how they do things -- push them through the system irrespective of attitude or ability. When did you last hear of a kid failing a grade and having to repeat it? Look at how many young people walk out the door with a diploma from the high school, but are unsuitable for employment or higher education. Social advancement. Forget about what or whether they have learned.
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ForeverSmyrna wrote: Sports playing in Smyrna has largely been determined by who the parents are as to which kid gets to play. That goes for every sport from cheerleading to baseball. Too many favorites and "clicks" in the district.
You might want to include who gets the leads in the "school plays" in that group.
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| ALL OF YOU PEOPLE ARE MISSING THE POINT !! With anything in life you MUST deal with the hand thats dealt ya. IE: The kids that play for you. Smyrnabaseball08 it is very admirable for you to praise and stick up for your coaches. You seem like a very upstanding young man and I'm sure YOU as a person got the best out of your coaches because you respected them beyond life, and visaversa. But thats just it, you show love and respect you get the bennies, such is life. Its the people out there that dont but still play. Thats where the coaches system is a failure. The respectful members on the team are not stupid, they see this behavior and still receive no rewards for not acting like complete idiots. YOU do not need to be in any way affilliated with the team or the school system to see that. I am an expert in behavior and its as plain as day who should play and who should not. RESPECT!!!!-- people its what makes the world turn. Once again, the point, Who cares where this teaching starts, little league or otherwise. DEAL WITH THE HAND YOU ARE DEALT. If they dont produce and have a [url=mailto:p@#$]p%#$[/url]@ poor attitude ----SIT THEM. Nobody will become a better person in life just by pushing them through the system and not addressing their issues. Those are the type that will be killing people in the future. ATTITUDE is what produces success. EDUCATION 1 0 1 !!! Nobody is calling out Cole and Diesum for being bad people. Bad people do not do what they do day in and day out. The issue was and still is concentrating on the people who actually care about the TEAM, THE TEAM people not just their self centered individualism. It is'nt rocket science to observe.
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D and Cole always tried to better us as people in life. whether as a teacher or a coach. like Billy said, insulting them is like insulting as. we were a family and sorry we didnt meet YOUR expectations. But i can assure you most of us are better adults and men because of cole and D.
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i probably shouldnt reply to all of this...but i feel i should stick up for someone i have cared about for years. Way back when i was in high school when D was in a different district i had him as a teacher and and a club. He was awesome and there will never and has never been any other teacher like him. I do not see how people can judge a group of kids based on the coaches. They are not with these kids all day everyday so they cannot hold their hands and say no no you cannot do that etc. They are also teacher parents role models etc..they DO have lives of their own and other things they need to do. Do you know the number of students they teach in a day? Then on top of that the students they deal with afterschool...?? whether its with sports or clubs and tutoring too! Come on people seriously it doesnt take rocket science to figure this out. and pardon my studies in early child care and development but behaviors etc are formed early on in their life..not all of a sudden because of some coaches. and i dont think blaming them and pointing the finger at them will help nor is the right thing to do. As a community we should know that its everyone and everything. and so not just two people....I may not be a baseball player or from smyrna and may not have the right to say something...but a prior student of one of the coaches and after seven years after graduation he is STILL the same guy he was back then that i looked up to each and every day...he was the only one who got me through those years of high school...
and please our economy is going down and you wanna talk about money?? haha seriously people teacher salaries isnt all its cracked up to be...mine sure isnt. Its their choice to be a coach they made that decision..they also take time from their own schedule and lives to coach those kids on their time not the schools. once schools out..thats when they begin....
okay i'm done..i probably shouldnt of said anything but i hate to see people knock on the greatest teacher ive known..be nice people...it does hurt when you bash what we do beings we care so much and deeply teaching and being role models for your child...
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Well said Mike. Mike and i were coached by Deisem and Cole. We know how much they contributed to building our character, as well as help us progress in the sport. We might not have had the best seasons, but if any of us needed anything, all we had to do was ask Deisem or Cole. Like mike said, we were a brotherhood, and for you all to insult our coach is like insulting each and everyone one of us as well for not living up to your expectations. It's a bit ridiculous that all of you complain on this site, but have never personally went to Deisem or Cole, and talked to them in private about what should be done to help the program.
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hi, my name is mike, i was a player for deisem and cole for 4 years of highschool. and i also played big league ball. to read all of your comments about that coaching staff is just sickening. now, our record was never the best. practices were always well ran and effiecent. i know for a fact we busted our asses at practices and during games. cole and deisem try their hardest to not only make us good players, but good young adults and it seems like everyone on here is missing that fact. they do what they can to teach us the right about life. and it just seems like everyone on here doesnt care. isnt that what we want?
to compare the big league team to the high school team is absurd. yes we have most of the high school team on the big league team. because we love the sport. most of the kids playing in big league arent varsity players. they play in legion. so say what you want about it. its not the same
cole and deisem cared for us as adults and individuals, pushing us to be the best we can be as not only ball players, teammates, and as young adults. its completely ridiculous for you guys to stand behind a computer and ridcule our coaches. it pisses me off. if you got a problem go to school board or try and be a coach yourself. most of the players i talk to still like deisem and cole. we still get together and play baseball. were like a brotherhood. but you guys dont seem to wanna get that through your skull so there is nothing else i can do i guess but just igve my opinion. so that is all.
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While the success of the Smyrna HS baseball team can be attributable to the coaching (see my earlier post) there is much to be said about how the little leagues are not producing kids in this district that are difference makers as they get older. Why? Few reasons..(1) kids today are not disciplined enough to work hard enough to get better. Many kids who are physically bigger or stronger at a young age fail to realize at a certain time, those kids you were better than are quickly catching up. They need to continue working on getting better at the sport. Many here do not. Just look at juniors and seniors level of little league. (2) coaches at the younger level aren't teaching the fundamentals to the younger kids. As a coach in both the major and junior level, we had to take entire practices to teach kids how to throw a baseball. That is embarrassing. This should be something covered already. But rather than using the minors as a teaching league, coaches are more concerned with All-Stars. They are only hurting the kids. While All-Stars is a very important part of little league, it should be the 2nd priority. Watch a junior league game today and ask yourself how many kids on these teams can play high school or travel baseball. It is getting worse., not better.
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smyrnabaseball08 wrote: SmyrnaGuy wrote: I'm not a parent, only an observer on the state of baseball in this area in general, not just the HS team. I have no vested interest in any of it. I will stand by my original posting that the skills these kids lack is a result of their little league days, not what their HS coaches are doing or not doing. At the HS level they should be fine tuning points of their game, not learning how to field grounders. I'm not sure what can I do to help change the program. Complain to the AD that they need to get better coaches? That will fall on deaf ears, you know that.
Please, go to the next practice, and talk to Cole or Deisem. Tell them that YOU would like to help out and devote your time to helping the team. Tell them that YOU can coach a better practice than they can, and that they are not fit for their job. I don't know you, but i'm sure that since your posting your problems and complaints on here; you couldn't do much better than they could. So please, go be the coach that the SHS baseball program needs, since you could do so much better.
I did my time coaching, 9 years. I did the best I could for the kids. I don't have much to offer past teaching fundamentals to little leaguers. I thought about going back and asking if I could coach a minors team where kids are learning the basics, but once they started getting rid of the coaches who didn't have kids in the program, I decided not to. If you read my posts you'll see that I'm the one who is saying these issues started when the players were young, not something that just happened in HS. The coaches can only work with what they are handed from the little league programs. Nowhere did I say I could do better. I wouldn't want that job, believe me, even if I were qualified for it.
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| Todays economy is a huge dictator ............
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| You really think they are only out for the money? That's a bit ridiculous.
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SmyrnaGuy wrote: I'm not a parent, only an observer on the state of baseball in this area in general, not just the HS team. I have no vested interest in any of it. I will stand by my original posting that the skills these kids lack is a result of their little league days, not what their HS coaches are doing or not doing. At the HS level they should be fine tuning points of their game, not learning how to field grounders. I'm not sure what can I do to help change the program. Complain to the AD that they need to get better coaches? That will fall on deaf ears, you know that.
Please, go to the next practice, and talk to Cole or Deisem. Tell them that YOU would like to help out and devote your time to helping the team. Tell them that YOU can coach a better practice than they can, and that they are not fit for their job. I don't know you, but i'm sure that since your posting your problems and complaints on here; you couldn't do much better than they could. So please, go be the coach that the SHS baseball program needs, since you could do so much better.
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 08:29 pm |
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 08:21 pm |
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| No coaches were involved in any of my posts, i'm just a pissed off kid that is sticking up for my coaches. I understand that all of you have your concerns with the program, but Deisem and Cole are not to blame. I've played for them for four years, I know that they are out to make their players better people, but better yet, they wanted to make us all better ball players. They worked their asses off trying to help us, and to be honest, half of our players were total idiots who thought they were good enough to go straight to the pros. It's just not right to attack them on a blog and try to call them out on being horrible coaches, as well as horrible people. Because they are not. Deisem and Cole have given their time to the players, and what do they get? A bunch of people who think they can do a hell of a lot better, but haven't put any effort forth to better the program.
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 07:50 pm |
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| I dont think anyone cares whos a parent and whos not. It doesnt really matter as I have explained. I hear as much as anyone. Its obvious when you're there what is going on. These issues are not contained to coaches vs. parents or whatever most of you people thiink. A lot of you would like to think so, that way you'll think the parents are down on the coaches for the non playing students. That might ease your pain but it really doesnt give them an out. Its bigger than that---its a community thing. Get used to it.
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 06:58 pm |
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| I am not a parent or a coach or a player or a former player. I watch all of SHS sports.
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 06:58 pm |
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| As a parent of a former player years ago the attitudes were not as bad as they are today. I understand your fear of discipline to the athletes and the parents reaction but that usually goes hand in hand with a problem child. Yes I hear the aggravated parents in the bleachers but what they are usually aggravated about is the same mistake time and time again. Nothing is learned. It should not be a "changing the world" episode to get these kids to hustle when they need to. As a rule most kids are lazy. It takes a special incentive to get them to move and losing every game by a landslide is not an incentive. A coaches job is to create that incentive, that excitement that will move them to the next level. I really do not know many kids on the team but you can tell they are not motivated and from what I hear from a few messages the upperclassmen are being replaced by underclassmen. I really do not know what the motive was for that but the team was not doing well at the start and are still not. Nothing was gained but I"m sure moods are not good for the upperclassmen. If it is to give the younger more experience for the future then that is wrong. Its wrong to give the veterans who have put their time in that kind of sendoff. Its not their fault. This year obviously is a total failure so write it off and give back to the students what they have given "the program" for 4 years.
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 06:16 pm |
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I'm not a parent of a current player either. I go back a few years but I still like to enjoy a good game. It helps bring me back to days gone by when I was involved. But the fact is in this town there is not much to enjoy in sports other than HS so one cannot help but to be concerned when sitting around watching as these young athletes dictate what they are and are not going to do for the team. They do not give it their all and surely do not learn from their mistakes because it seems that they are going to play no matter what happens ON or OFF the field. Smyrna is a small town so those of you posters that think parents are all that complain and really care are so lost inside their own excuses.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It seems that with the tone of some of the posters that a coach or two may be involved in posting. Quit making excuses. You are the ones collecting the premiums for coaching so YOU get off your butts and change it !!!
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 04:27 pm |
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smyrnabaseball08 wrote: I think if half of you put this much effort into trying to change the program, rather than sitting on your butts and complaining, there might be change. Gotta love the parents that talk trash about the program, but do nothing about it. I'm not a parent, only an observer on the state of baseball in this area in general, not just the HS team. I have no vested interest in any of it. I will stand by my original posting that the skills these kids lack is a result of their little league days, not what their HS coaches are doing or not doing. At the HS level they should be fine tuning points of their game, not learning how to field grounders. I'm not sure what can I do to help change the program. Complain to the AD that they need to get better coaches? That will fall on deaf ears, you know that.
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 03:53 pm |
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| I think if half of you put this much effort into trying to change the program, rather than sitting on your butts and complaining, there might be change. Gotta love the parents that talk trash about the program, but do nothing about it.
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 03:12 pm |
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Have any of you ever heard the saying about chicken salad? Sadly, these kids are not the talent their parents think they are - just because they WANT to be great players doesn't mean they will be, no matter what training they get. They all talk about playing college ball and it's embarrassing to listen to them. Because they aren't successful in HS, the easiest thing to do is blame the coach. Unfortunately, the kids' attitudes are even more embarrassing. If I were their parents, I would be more concerned about that than if they are getting scouted. Why not fix something that is fixable? But go to a baseball game and just listen to the rudeness and ignorance in the stands....apples don't fall far. Coaches have their hands tied as far as discipline because parents cry foul if someone even looks at their kid the wrong way.
As far as all who are posting...just remember to consider the sources and take them with a grain of salt...those who are around know the REAL stories behind every one of them...
Looking forward to this afternoon's game! Can't wait to see you guys all out there!
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 02:10 pm |
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Thought I'd weigh in since I am quite familiar with HS, Big League and Amer Legion programs in the area. The HS coach did play college ball at Washington College, I'm not sure what he played, he might have been a pitcher. I have watched several years of his teams and in my opinion whatever his talent level may have been, it has not translated to teaching and coaching high school level athletes. A varsity coach needs to be able to teach kids how to play better, raise their game if you will, motivate, lead and recruit. Unfortunately, I dont believe he has had any success doing any of those things. This years debacle is the culmination of seeds he has sewn for the past few years. The players on the team dont have any respect for him, dont care if they play for him, are unwilling to do lay down for him. With a few exceptions (Smyrnabaseball08), I seriously doubt you could find many former or current players who came through that program with any pride in playing Smryna BB. What a shame.
I'm not saying they need to have a winning season every year, but at least be competitive.
This years group of Seniors had a very successful Sophomore year on the JV team, winning 10 games, so what's happened between now and then. The answer is, probably half of those starters are not playing baseball, some have failed off, some have quit, some arent in school, but some chose to not play instead of playing for this coach and this program. Anyone who has watched these kids the past few years knows that playing BB is no longer fun for most of these kids so they choose to not play. To me that says it's time for a change. Why would any up and coming player in the middle school want to play in that environment, the answer is they wouldn't. There a countless examples of kids with alot of talent who chose Polytech over Smyrna just because of the baseball program.
Right now this program is a joke, it's time for a change which starts at the top. How else can you change this culture of not just losing, but being embarassed against just about every team you face.
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 01:38 pm |
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I think that frustrated even more and SmyrnaGuy have hit the nail on the head. shy does our big league team, and the MOT Legion team (with 6 or 7 SHS players) have a winning record and look professional on the field, when the same boys on the high school team fall apart? Wake up, good ole' boy Smyrna politics don't win ball games! Get some real coaches, and the teams will come around. I understand by talking to a few of the varsity players last night that the JV program has been discontinued, and that both head coaches will be replaced by next season. There may be some hope left afterall !
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 01:10 pm |
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If you don't think AL is more competitive than big league you are delusional. Look at the rosters of AL teams- filled with all state players. This is the highest level of competition in the state.
It's part of the issue we're talking about because the point of how good the SCLL big league team is, comprised of the SHS players, keeps coming up, and the reason they are good is because the competition they are playing is watered down. The other big league teams don't have the top players in their area playing for them. Those players are playing AL.
I'm not cutting down the coaches of the big league team at all. Any decent coach is going to make the best of the players he has and if these coaches motivate and teach, they are doing their jobs.
I'm curious, what kind of baseball background do the SHS coaches have? Are they doing it because no one else will? I think if you have any coach at the HS level who hasn't played at least college level ball or preferably beyond, you aren't going to teach much in the way of more advanced skills.
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 12:18 pm |
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100% agree. I didnt see anything that would make me beleive A L is more competitive.
Overall I thing its just like everything else, whatever you prefer is where you want to play. People like chevys and people like fords. They all break down at any given time. Just as all leagues lose, win and make errors at any given time. Its what the coach does to PREPARE his team for the competition. Where to place people, teach them how to improve and mature with age. Giving people the opportunity to play because they FEEL they deserve it is not the answere. Giving them the opportunity because they have EARNED the respect of the coach and their peers. Thats what the programs are all about. Let me enhance that phrase : Thats what SUCCESSFULL PROGRAMS are all about. Who in their right mind would want to go to battle with eight other hotheads around them with a leader that cant lead ?
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 12:03 pm |
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| The level of play between Am Legion and Big league is one topic by itself. Nobody has compared the two when it comes to better coaching. Stick to the issue at hand.
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 12:00 pm |
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| Maybe you just didnt go to more than one practice a week. They practice as much as any other bb program. And yeah it may be "optional" but you wont play ! But still, there is no comparison to HS level of play and to say it is not coached better--wow ! Let someone cuss out the Big league coach---trust me, he'll end up with splinters in his butt from the bench !!
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Posted: Tue May 5th, 2009 06:44 am |
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| I played big league for one year, and it's definitely not better coaching. The competition level is so much different from high school ball. Big league has maybe one practice a week, and i think that is even optional.
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Posted: Mon May 4th, 2009 04:17 pm |
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Smyrna 1 wrote: While some may think that American Legion Ball is the premiere series, that may not always be true. Locally, they can't get a competitive team together from Middletown, Townsend, Odessa, Smyrna, and Clayton. Why, because the MOT area has a first class Jr. and Sr. little league program, which filter into their big league program. Smyrna also has an above average program with it's big league program coming in second in District 1 last year. Big league ball may play second seat to American Legion ball, but both are heads above any Highschool Ball Program in this area. Note: both coached by volunteer non paid coaches with limited budgets.
Legion ball might not be big in this area, but it's huge up north and in sussex county. That's how a team of HS players who can't beat other HS teams can beat big league teams. The good players from those districts are playing Legion ball, not big league.
Didn't the Legion team for our area just start up a couple years ago? Some of the Legion teams elsewhere in the state have been around for many many years and are the main source of ball for the better HS players. I'd think at some point the team from around here would also start to pick up, as the competition is better.
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