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Posted: Mon May 4th, 2009 02:44 pm |
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| While some may think that American Legion Ball is the premiere series, that may not always be true. Locally, they can't get a competitive team together from Middletown, Townsend, Odessa, Smyrna, and Clayton. Why, because the MOT area has a first class Jr. and Sr. little league program, which filter into their big league program. Smyrna also has an above average program with it's big league program coming in second in District 1 last year. Big league ball may play second seat to American Legion ball, but both are heads above any Highschool Ball Program in this area. Note: both coached by volunteer non paid coaches with limited budgets.
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Posted: Mon May 4th, 2009 12:42 pm |
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frustrated even more wrote: One great comparison may be....... Look at Smyrnas big league record---Pretty much the same talent but only 3 or 4 loses......hummmmm.......................................
The competition level in big league is a lot lower than HS. Most of the real good kids from HS teams play American Legion ball.
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Posted: Mon May 4th, 2009 11:53 am |
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| One great comparison may be....... Look at Smyrnas big league record---Pretty much the same talent but only 3 or 4 loses......hummmmm.......................................
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Posted: Mon May 4th, 2009 11:51 am |
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| Sweet ! Sums it up 100 %. The part about going to other schools----Well said. Hurray for Polytech !
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Posted: Sun May 3rd, 2009 06:12 am |
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| Well said, but it's only fair to look at the rosters. When smyrna had great seasons, we also had players like Reed, Emerson and Campbell leading the team. All of which had alot of talent, and all were great leaders for the team. For the past few years, we have definitely suffered a downfall in talent, and the varsity team has consisted of alot of underclassmen. Our team just hasn't been as strong over the past three or four seasons. It's an instinct to call out the coaching staff, but being a former player, i just don't think our team has had as much talent as we did in our more successful seasons.
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Posted: Sun May 3rd, 2009 02:15 am |
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The Smyrna HS baseball team is a problem on multiple fronts. The biggest problem is coaching. While the talent coming through the district may not be comparable to neighboring districts, it is not as bad as the teams' record suggests. This season the team is 0-10 so far, scoring 13 runs this season while allowing 119 runs. Of the 10 losses, 5 are by at least 10 runs. Just so I seem fair, let's look at the 2008 team to get a bigger sample- last year in 15 games they were 1-14 in posted scores allowing 166 runs scoring 66. 6 losses were by at least 10 runs for 2008.
What is more troubling than the statistics is that there have been requests in the last few years to the Smyrna HS athletic director to manage the team by multiple people only to be told they weren't ready to make a change. Has the success of this team been so great in recent history that the coach is untouchable?
I think another problem and equally as serious is there are kids who aren't even signing up to play high school baseball because they know they won't get a fair shake. Or there have been kids in the area that go to other high schools to avoid having ot deal with the Smyrna sports "click". The baseball program has come to the point where kids who could potentially help the program won't even play for them. That's a shame.
And for those who brought up the middle school baseball team- the coach should stick to wrestling. Two things he has no idea about is talent evaluation and game management.
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Posted: Sat May 2nd, 2009 09:19 pm |
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| So I'm sure you're the parent of a kid that does not play. If not, then you're just another person who likes to complain about our program and do nothing about it. I don't understand how the coaches are responsible for the players making 4 errors per game, and I know for sure that no player has cussed out a coach and played the next game. So please, if you feel that you could be a better coach than Deisem or Cole, stop being a coward and step up and coach the team.
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Posted: Sat May 2nd, 2009 11:52 am |
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smyrnabaseball--You're way off- We've seen 4 errors per game per player and then the players get to cuss out the coach and play the next game. (twice) Your opinion---Way out there !!
Structured practices---NA ! I go to most of them---- Again---NA
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Posted: Sat May 2nd, 2009 03:13 am |
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| A word of advice to you: stop posting nonsense about politics in high school sports. The coaches don't even know half of our parents. My parents were good friends with Deisem but that didn't make a difference whether i played or not. If i had a bad game, then I was taken off the field. You're really insisting that there are "famous" people in high school sports and you sound ridiculous.
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Posted: Sat May 2nd, 2009 03:02 am |
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I would say this has definitely gone too far. Being a former player of both Cole and Deisem, I will now back up the both of them. First off, I feel that you are all idiots for accusing both Cole and Deisem of being bad coaches, and not having structured practices. I played for Deisem my freshman year, and Cole for the next 3 years. Both of them worked our asses off at each and every practice, and regardless if we won or lost, they were there to support us, and keep our heads up. By the time we got into the lockerroom after practices we could barely get our cleats off because we were so tired from the workouts. During practices we were always told to try as hard as we could, and that they would be proud of us no matter the outcome of each game. We may not have had the best records, but we had alot of fun playing for them. I will also say that we all became men on that field. We were told that we were in highschool now, and that the childs play should be left on the little league field. We worked our asses off every day for them, and they acknowledged us for doing so by telling us how proud we were. We all learned to play as a team, and would never be the people who we are today without Cole and Deisem.
How could you possibly know what it's like to play for them unless you actually have? I'm sure that whoever is posting this bulls**t is a parent of a kid who didn't play, or even a player for that matter. If you have something to say, man up and tell it to Deisem or Cole to their faces. They deserve it.
Thanks Deisem and Cole for an awesome four years.
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 03:18 pm |
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| I was talking to a college bb coach who was watching a SHS game a couple years ago. He told me that the kids had a lot of potential, but seriously lacked coaching in fundamentals and strategy.
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 02:36 pm |
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Smyrna 1 wrote: I could not agree more. But the problem is still coaching. I was told yesterday, the day after the HS lost to Woodbridge (such a large school) they were down at the little league complex practicing with the JV and Varsity together. Neither head coach was to be seen. Only persons were a Smyrna Police Officer who is a volunteer coach, and another gentleman with his hat turned around backwards joking and playing grab with the players. There are no regimented practices coming out of the High School. If you don't like what you see, wait a month and come and watch the Big League Program at LL, last year there were some great local teams. And the Smyrna Manager and both coaches do not have a son on the team. They volunteer! By the way, the Middle School team beat Dover yesterday with a shutout!
Like I said, everyone should take a look at other sports programs, wrestling: The high school head coach works with the Smyrna Little Wrestler Program, along with several other local coaches, and past wrestlers. The Smyrna Wrestling Program, is one of the strongest and most respected in the state.
Are the same kids pitching for the big league team? is the roster almost the same as the HS team? It'd be interesting to see if a team that probably won't win a game at the HS level can perform better in Big League. If so, then you really need to look at the HS coaches- how can kids who can't win in HS win in other venues. Though you have to realize that a lot of the upper echelon players will play American Legion ball and not Big League, so the competition across the district isn't as tough as Legion ball and not as tough as HS ball.
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 11:52 am |
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| Amen--Its because they do not care. You get paid--win or lose.
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Posted: Fri May 1st, 2009 11:51 am |
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| Amen-Its because they do not care. You get paid --win or lose.
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 09:23 pm |
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I could not agree more. But the problem is still coaching. I was told yesterday, the day after the HS lost to Woodbridge (such a large school) they were down at the little league complex practicing with the JV and Varsity together. Neither head coach was to be seen. Only persons were a Smyrna Police Officer who is a volunteer coach, and another gentleman with his hat turned around backwards joking and playing grab with the players. There are no regimented practices coming out of the High School. If you don't like what you see, wait a month and come and watch the Big League Program at LL, last year there were some great local teams. And the Smyrna Manager and both coaches do not have a son on the team. They volunteer! By the way, the Middle School team beat Dover yesterday with a shutout!
Like I said, everyone should take a look at other sports programs, wrestling: The high school head coach works with the Smyrna Little Wrestler Program, along with several other local coaches, and past wrestlers. The Smyrna Wrestling Program, is one of the strongest and most respected in the state.
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 09:10 pm |
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| Might think smyrna 1, might be one of those parents. I think you better go see games at other places and see the difference in play. Middle school is middle school ball, good that they are winning, but against what. Sorry, local baseball is not baseball.
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 08:19 pm |
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I find it amusing that people in our area always have to have something to complain about. If you have a problem with the way the sports program is being run, go to the school board meeting and voice your concern. Don't hide behind a computer screen and think something will be done. As far as coaching, little league has a hard time each hear finding managers and coaches to fill the positions available. I believe they do a full background check not, to assure safety.
You can't blame the problems on the little league when you have qualified people apply for coaching positions in the school district and they go to someones relative or friend. How can the JV girls volleyball coach, be qualified to also coach JV baseball? Do these two sports have something in common I am missing?
The players coming out of little league are doing fine, look at the Smyrna Middle School Team, a program that is only a few years old, and has a winning record, with several shutouts in the past week. And as far as coaches, the coach also is a wrestling coach, but hey, that is a winning program also.
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 07:44 pm |
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| I hear you, but with little league and its mandatory play its hard to develop how you really need to. And usually their is only very few coaches without kids out there. The main problem I feel is lack of discipline. You MUST have discipline in order for the players to respect the coaches. In todays world everyone falls short to discipline for fear of the repercussions, and the kids know it ! I've seen it, you can verbally abuse and play the next day.
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 07:37 pm |
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| I have seen kids who played from age 6 up to HS in the Little League get benched so that a kid could play just because of who mommy and daddy were! I've seen it with my own eyes so no one can tell me it doesn't happen. Kids with absolutely no talent played just cause daddy helped out with pop warner or another sport.
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 07:34 pm |
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frustrated even more wrote: You obviously have not been to one of these games. You obviously have not seen the "talent" come through the system in the past 6 years. And you obviously do not know with the talent they have had that less than a dozen games have been won in those 5 to 6 years, TOTAL ! No matter what level it is--you still need to be coached. If you did'nt, Major League players would be on their own. This is the reason the coach is the first to go when the talent cant execute.
The point is, the coaching has to start before they get to high school. If kids at the HS level have marginal fundamental skills because they were not taught in little league, what do you expect the HS coach to do? You can't make up for 5 or more years of fundamental skill teaching in a month of spring practices. Kids who don't know their assignments on the field, don't know how to hit, don't know how to pitch- you can't teach all of that in March. The problem is the youth programs are not developing players. A few years ago they started getting rid of the coaches who actually taught things so fathers who had kids playing could coach. The guys who didn't have kids in the program but still wanted to coach and who had backgrounds that went past playing high school ball had their positions given to dad's. This was especially prevalent at the 13 and up levels. Now, the kids who "benefited" from father's coaching are what you see on the HS field. Lack of skills and lack of knowledge of the game. I know there are a few good players on the team but they can't carry the load for everyone else.
Tired- I totally get your point on football, it's about the most political sport at the school. If you are in the "in crowd" or have a recognizable name because your father played, you are going to get more of a chance over a kid who might be better but isn't hanging around with the right people or from a family new to the town.
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 07:11 pm |
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This has nothing to do Baseball, but when I played Smyrna High Football I was benched so the principals son could play he was a freshman I was a junior and the punk couldn't even play football it happened many of times so I will never forget what I did it was a tied game so they called me off the bench to play in the last quarter.Here comes the touchdown pass I got the ball and threw it to the other team needless to say my football career was over. It didn't only happen to me if you weren't in the click you weren't good enough.Look at the football program they have now same little click Dave Morrison and Cay Lloyd 1st cousins
(Mr.Lloyd Assistant Superintendent was High school principal Mr. Morrison retired transportation)
Now the sons are in the schools Mr.Clay Lloyd school teacher at the high school where daddy worked at Mr.Morrison Smyrna Elementary School Principal
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 06:18 pm |
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| You obviously have not been to one of these games. You obviously have not seen the "talent" come through the system in the past 6 years. And you obviously do not know with the talent they have had that less than a dozen games have been won in those 5 to 6 years, TOTAL ! No matter what level it is--you still need to be coached. If you did'nt, Major League players would be on their own. This is the reason the coach is the first to go when the talent cant execute.
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 06:02 pm |
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frustrated even more, did you write a post, reply to it, then again reply to that one as well as if you were having a conversation with yourself???
Let me say this, if a kid is talented then he will play no matter the sport or age. If he is not, he won't. Other then talent there are some considerations that need to be looked at (1) attitude (2) heart (3) work effort, if a kid does not have natural talent he better excel at least one of the others or he will never succeed. As a coach of many sports for many years and at different age groups I am very sympathetic to what those kids, coaches, and parents are going through, but I also know that complaining about it and pointing fingers never helps any situation, you need to take a proactive approach and help in one of the following areas to improve the program (1) coach little league to build fundamentals early, so when kids reach this level of play they know the basics, (2) send your kids to as many camps, instructors, tournaments, and leagues as possible to learn the sport and get playing time as well as good competition, (3) teach the kids the proper values such as hard work, discipline, and respect for each other, themselves, coaches, umpires, etc... this list could go on and on, but I have seen a decline in the Smyrna baseball "PROGRAM" for many years, it is not the fault of one or two but many. Since the late 90's there was a decline in proper coaching/instruction and the competition level of play in the little league program that has now caught up to the high school age kids. So many parents are more concerned about being fair and playing time then they are about being realistic, not every child is an all-star, I will say that again NOT EVERY CHILD IS AN ALL-STAR.
I am a fan of the game itself, I wish the program the best and hope it gets turned around in the near future, but unless more people become informed on the actual problems and take steps to fix them, this down slide will continue. GET INVOLVED.
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 03:59 pm |
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| Well said my friend---well said.
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 03:55 pm |
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| Well it may be but if you are not in the all famous Smyrna "click"--you aint gettin it !
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 03:53 pm |
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| Well during that game the oposing team also had their 3rd string in---at least third string.
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Posted: Thu Apr 30th, 2009 01:31 pm |
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seetheobvious wrote: Baseball has been s "step-child" sport for the high school for years. I've been to their games and its obvious that not only are players unmotivated, they are completely uncoached. The team practices are completely unstructured, no empasis on correcting the obvious problems. The assistant coach is more concerned with how he looks holding a bat and the head coach displays no interest in the team. Unfortunately withthe current district policy, staff (teachers) that want the coaching positions get the position. I've seen more effective coaching in Little League. The shame of it is that now these boys not only accept losing each game, they expect it.
I believe that a staff member getting the position over a more qualified outside person is a DIAA policy not a district policy.
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Posted: Wed Apr 29th, 2009 08:15 pm |
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| All the home games.
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| They only had 2 subs 1 came in the game. What game did you watch?
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| Baseball has been s "step-child" sport for the high school for years. I've been to their games and its obvious that not only are players unmotivated, they are completely uncoached. The team practices are completely unstructured, no empasis on correcting the obvious problems. The assistant coach is more concerned with how he looks holding a bat and the head coach displays no interest in the team. Unfortunately withthe current district policy, staff (teachers) that want the coaching positions get the position. I've seen more effective coaching in Little League. The shame of it is that now these boys not only accept losing each game, they expect it.
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ForeverSmyrna wrote: Sports playing in Smyrna has largely been determined by who the parents are as to which kid gets to play. That goes for every sport from cheerleading to baseball. Too many favorites and "clicks" in the district. I think the only sports that are not like that are the individual ones like wrestling or track. In those sports, the best person plays. You want to wrestle varsity? Win the wrestle offs. You want to run the 100? Beat everyone else. They can't take that away from you with politics like you see in the other sports.
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Posted: Tue Apr 28th, 2009 04:11 pm |
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| Back when I went to school it was not about who you were but what you could do for the team! We won baseball games!
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Posted: Fri Apr 24th, 2009 04:59 pm |
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| Sports playing in Smyrna has largely been determined by who the parents are as to which kid gets to play. That goes for every sport from cheerleading to baseball. Too many favorites and "clicks" in the district.
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Posted: Fri Apr 24th, 2009 03:40 pm |
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Mr.Wilson wrote: What is going on I went to a game Tuesday, and I have never seen anything like it. They played better when they used the boys off the bench.
Makes one wonder about the politics of those boys being on the bench, doesn't it?
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Posted: Fri Apr 24th, 2009 03:32 pm |
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When kids are not taught fundamental skills at a young age, they can't compete at the HS level.
Look how the wrestling program has had it's success- excellent teachers at the youth level.
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Posted: Thu Apr 23rd, 2009 07:52 pm |
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| What is going on I went to a game Tuesday, and I have never seen anything like it. They played better when they used the boys off the bench.
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