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Posted: Wed Jun 17th, 2009 05:54 pm |
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Well BR and extra, I guess it's your way or no way. Now let me repeat this again, because some of you have a hard time remembering, I am not a supporter of our mayor, or most of the council, will repeat they are in over their heads, but she is the mayor, until we all change that she is it. But we have a real hard time finding that person.
Nice mayor and council for maybe 25 years ago.
OK, i just read what Mr Thornton said, Mr thornton if that is the way you reason things, my god we are really in trouble. By the way i really don't know you or didn't, but that statement just did swing me.
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Now how stupid a quote is this?:
"To vilify those who are not voting the way some folks think they should vote is a twisting of the political process," Mr. Thornton said Tuesday. "My question for the folks who are raising all the hue and cry is, ‘Where were they on Election Day?’ "That was the day Mr. Riddagh defeated Mr. DeFeo in a council race by a vote of 405 to 275. 1) Where were they on election day? They were all there voting, dumb a**. Some voted for Riddagh, some voted for Defeo. Now that Riddagh won fair and square, there is an empty seat, and Defeo is the natural second in line. obviously Mr Riddagh himself thinks so, as this is how he voted - are you really that stupid or do you think the rest of us are?!! You can stop with that lame defense LT!
2) The only twisting of the political process going on is by you and the other 2 stooges. Only power mongers try to keep things at a stalemate, and the Town is going to HATE you for it.
Hopefully the next election will get the job done right!
And by the way, its pretty dispicable for that Uncle Tom character to go against his own constituents regarding Mr Krapf just because he has a vendetta against the mayor.
Thanks for making the Town a laughing stock AGAIN.
tspong wrote: What do you think?
From the Delaware State News:
Smyrna council slot may have to wait to next election
By Al Kemp
Delaware State News
SMYRNA — Smyrna Mayor Pat Stombaugh said that if a fifth attempt to fill a vacant seat on Town Council fails later this month, she’s willing to leave it vacant until next spring’s election.
The nomination of Tony DeFeo to fill the position has pitted half the town’s elected officials against the other for the past four meetings of Town Council.
"It’s on the agenda for the next meeting [on June 29]. I would like to see the recommendation come up one more time. If no one [makes a motion], then I will. And if it doesn’t pass, then I think the seat should just stay vacant," the mayor said Tuesday.
Mr. DeFeo, who lives in Sunnyside Farms, has been nominated four times, by the mayor as well as council members William C. Raynor and Robert Riddagh.
The motion has failed each time, with opposing votes coming from council members Memphis Evans, Valerie M. White and Lawrence O. Thornton Jr.
The motion failed again on Monday, despite protests in front of Town Hall and entreaties from town residents to fill the vacancy and get on with town business.
"The people have spoken, and these three are ignoring them," Mayor Stombaugh said Tuesday.
"To vilify those who are not voting the way some folks think they should vote is a twisting of the political process," Mr. Thornton said Tuesday. "My question for the folks who are raising all the hue and cry is, ‘Where were they on Election Day?’ "
That was the day Mr. Riddagh defeated Mr. DeFeo in a council race by a vote of 405 to 275.
The mayor hinted Tuesday that the bitter deadlock may stem partly from disagreement on council over appointments to the town’s various committees and commissions.
If the seat goes unfilled for eight months, the council will still be able to govern, Mayor Stombaugh said.
"It’s going to be difficult because there’s a number of [votes] where it’s going to be a 3-3 split," she said.
Mr. DeFeo, 57, who campaigned on a platform of being an independent voice on council, said Tuesday he’ll leave his hat in the ring for a fifth vote if that’s what it takes.
"I’m a patient man. If I get on there, it won’t be to serve the other six members, but to serve the people of the town," he said.
Staff writer Al Kemp can be reached at 741-8296 or akemp@newszap.com.
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This is amusing! The avatar queen now speaks for all Delaware State news readers, and alas, has decided to call people who support the majority of voters in Town the "Stombaugh Gang". Well, that is only fitting, isn't it? After all, Ms Stombaugh did WIN the election through a democratic majority vote, unlike the losers who got sent packing. I don't see anyone refusing to get on with town business but the three stooges on council.
Extra Extra Read All About It wrote: fuzzy wrote: The following appeared in a Delaware paper on 4/29/07.........
"Larry Thornton, an insurance fraud investigator and retired police officer seeking an at-large council seat, is running in part because he saw town business getting mired in personal disputes.
In addition to trying to slow growth "as much as possible" and making sure adequate infrastructure is in place, Thornton said he wants to try to build consensus with other council members and push for more transparency."
Maybe he might want to eat those words after all of his council antics!
Maybe Thorton has come to the conclusion that "obstructionist politics" have been responsible for "personal disputes" and lack of "consensu with other council members." It is apparent to readers of the State News and residents of the town that Pat Stombaugh and her "loyal followers" (to be identified in future references as the "Stombaugh Gang") are the same crew of people who have been the devisive ones who have been involved on council or the workings behind council for the past several years. The Stombaugh Gang refuse to let the town get on with the important business at hand and continue to use the media to air their discontent for all of the state to see. Until the voters realize that this will continue until the Stombaugh Gang is voted completely and totally out of office, the residents of Smyrna will have to suffer the notariety that this Gang continues to bestow upon us.
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| So what you're saying is it's better to have a consistent deadlock with absolutely nothing getting accomplished than to take a chance on an "honest" politician (oxymoron I know) voting in line with the people who voted him in as their representative? Oh, that' makes perfect sense!
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Extra....you have a serious case of the pot calling the kettle black.
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Someone wrote: BR, i think it would break the 3 3 tie where nothing gets done.
If there were a 7th member on council such as DeFeo, who is the Stombaugh Gang pick, it stands to reason that the tie breaker would always go in the Gang's favor. Better to have a deadlock. The deadlock scenario would be the best as the issues being voted upon would ONLY get passed if a true majority of council favored or supported the issue in question. I have read that DeFeo is supposedly his own person but he will undoubtedly owe his allegiance to the Gang who supported him. If he chooses to truly vote his own conscience then the Gang would set out to destroy him as they have done with so many who have opposed them. History will repeat itself.
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Oh ex faux king mayor spouse.......I mean Barney, and Extra....you are at it again.....Honestly, you must have a problem keeping up with all of your many aliases - it is quite entertaining to see you answering yourself. I am a PROUD member of the STOMBAUGH GANG.....and stand for ethics and transparency in Smyrna (and all) politics. Something that has been seriously lacking in the distant and recent past. And, before you start trying to state that the mayor is the one lacking in ethics and transparency.......think again. She is the epitome of ethics and transparency.
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| Someone it might break a 3-3 tie. But what do you think would "get done"? Does the stombaug gang have a plan? Does antbody else have a plan? Maybe this ---- Mr. Defeo publicly and formally withdraw from consideration to be appointed? Would anything move the town forward --- and to where? The mayors hhospital and water parks?
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| BR, i think it would break the 3 3 tie where nothing gets done. Last edited on Wed Jun 17th, 2009 04:15 pm by Someone
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Extra Extra Read All About It wrote: Maybe Thorton has come to the conclusion that "obstructionist politics" have been responsible for "personal disputes" and lack of "consensu with other council members." It is apparent to readers of the State News and residents of the town that Pat Stombaugh and her "loyal followers" (to be identified in future references as the "Stombaugh Gang") are the same crew of people who have been the devisive ones who have been involved on council or the workings behind council for the past several years. The Stombaugh Gang refuse to let the town get on with the important business at hand and continue to use the media to air their discontent for all of the state to see. Until the voters realize that this will continue until the Stombaugh Gang is voted completely and totally out of office, the residents of Smyrna will have to suffer the notariety that this Gang continues to bestow upon us.
Very insightful reasoning, Exrta Extra!! Unfortunately there are very few residents who have the mental clarity to envision that. If the leader of the stombaug gang were serious about leaving that seat unfilled and getting on with business, she would not await a fifth failure, but would remove the matter from the agenda right now. Neither Mr. DeFeo or anybody else has an inalienable right to be nominated or considered for a vacant council position. The town charter provides that the council MAY elect a person to fill a vacancy - there is no mandate to do so.
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fuzzy wrote: The following appeared in a Delaware paper on 4/29/07.........
"Larry Thornton, an insurance fraud investigator and retired police officer seeking an at-large council seat, is running in part because he saw town business getting mired in personal disputes.
In addition to trying to slow growth "as much as possible" and making sure adequate infrastructure is in place, Thornton said he wants to try to build consensus with other council members and push for more transparency."
Maybe he might want to eat those words after all of his council antics!
Maybe Thorton has come to the conclusion that "obstructionist politics" have been responsible for "personal disputes" and lack of "consensu with other council members." It is apparent to readers of the State News and residents of the town that Pat Stombaugh and her "loyal followers" (to be identified in future references as the "Stombaugh Gang") are the same crew of people who have been the devisive ones who have been involved on council or the workings behind council for the past several years. The Stombaugh Gang refuse to let the town get on with the important business at hand and continue to use the media to air their discontent for all of the state to see. Until the voters realize that this will continue until the Stombaugh Gang is voted completely and totally out of office, the residents of Smyrna will have to suffer the notariety that this Gang continues to bestow upon us.
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Nice research Fuzzy. Does anyone get the impression the real reason he ran for council might be because he is an egomaniac control freak who needs power and to be in charge, wherever he lives? He sits back there with his hands threaded behind his head, cracking his gum like he is James Dean or something. Does he think he is hot? Looks like a 50's throwback if you ask me. I wonder what his buddies back at Newark PD think of him.
Insurance investigator huh? Maybe someone needs to investigate the three obstructionists to find out why they are trying to keep Tony Defeo off council and another individual off the ethics commission. What, are they afraid they might be found guilty of something? Talk about transparency!
fuzzy wrote: The following appeared in a Delaware paper on 4/29/07.........
"Larry Thornton, an insurance fraud investigator and retired police officer seeking an at-large council seat, is running in part because he saw town business getting mired in personal disputes.
In addition to trying to slow growth "as much as possible" and making sure adequate infrastructure is in place, Thornton said he wants to try to build consensus with other council members and push for more transparency."
Maybe he might want to eat those words after all of his council antics!
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What do you think?
From the Delaware State News:
Smyrna council slot may have to wait to next election
By Al Kemp
Delaware State News
SMYRNA — Smyrna Mayor Pat Stombaugh said that if a fifth attempt to fill a vacant seat on Town Council fails later this month, she’s willing to leave it vacant until next spring’s election.
The nomination of Tony DeFeo to fill the position has pitted half the town’s elected officials against the other for the past four meetings of Town Council.
"It’s on the agenda for the next meeting [on June 29]. I would like to see the recommendation come up one more time. If no one [makes a motion], then I will. And if it doesn’t pass, then I think the seat should just stay vacant," the mayor said Tuesday.
Mr. DeFeo, who lives in Sunnyside Farms, has been nominated four times, by the mayor as well as council members William C. Raynor and Robert Riddagh.
The motion has failed each time, with opposing votes coming from council members Memphis Evans, Valerie M. White and Lawrence O. Thornton Jr.
The motion failed again on Monday, despite protests in front of Town Hall and entreaties from town residents to fill the vacancy and get on with town business.
"The people have spoken, and these three are ignoring them," Mayor Stombaugh said Tuesday.
"To vilify those who are not voting the way some folks think they should vote is a twisting of the political process," Mr. Thornton said Tuesday. "My question for the folks who are raising all the hue and cry is, ‘Where were they on Election Day?’ "
That was the day Mr. Riddagh defeated Mr. DeFeo in a council race by a vote of 405 to 275.
The mayor hinted Tuesday that the bitter deadlock may stem partly from disagreement on council over appointments to the town’s various committees and commissions.
If the seat goes unfilled for eight months, the council will still be able to govern, Mayor Stombaugh said.
"It’s going to be difficult because there’s a number of [votes] where it’s going to be a 3-3 split," she said.
Mr. DeFeo, 57, who campaigned on a platform of being an independent voice on council, said Tuesday he’ll leave his hat in the ring for a fifth vote if that’s what it takes.
"I’m a patient man. If I get on there, it won’t be to serve the other six members, but to serve the people of the town," he said.
Staff writer Al Kemp can be reached at 741-8296 or akemp@newszap.com.
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The following appeared in a Delaware paper on 4/29/07.........
"Larry Thornton, an insurance fraud investigator and retired police officer seeking an at-large council seat, is running in part because he saw town business getting mired in personal disputes.
In addition to trying to slow growth "as much as possible" and making sure adequate infrastructure is in place, Thornton said he wants to try to build consensus with other council members and push for more transparency."
Maybe he might want to eat those words after all of his council antics!
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Two and a half cents wrote: fuzzy wrote: Hartlyboy, it baffles everyone else as well. Not only did they deny DeFeo the opportunity to serve on council for the 4th time, they also denied people the opportunity to serve on various committees yet again. The kicker for me was when Larry Thornton wanted to have a resume for Ginger Barkley (to serve on the ethics board). Come on Larry.......you are supposed to know what is going on in this town - if you did, you would know all about Ginger's good works. But no, you are too busy talking down to the mayor; sitting back in your chair at the meeting with your hands laced behind your head looking bored, then voting no with NO GOOD reasons.
You forgot to mention his gum chewing while sitting back and looking bored.
I thought I was the only one offended by the "cud" chewing. He and his wife share this very ugly habit.
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| You Smyrnites now embarrass yourselves not only in local affairs, but you have gained recognition Statewide and soon to be region wide on tonight's news. Way to go Smyrna, hope you're proud.
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fuzzy wrote: Hartlyboy, it baffles everyone else as well. Not only did they deny DeFeo the opportunity to serve on council for the 4th time, they also denied people the opportunity to serve on various committees yet again. The kicker for me was when Larry Thornton wanted to have a resume for Ginger Barkley (to serve on the ethics board). Come on Larry.......you are supposed to know what is going on in this town - if you did, you would know all about Ginger's good works. But no, you are too busy talking down to the mayor; sitting back in your chair at the meeting with your hands laced behind your head looking bored, then voting no with NO GOOD reasons.
You forgot to mention his gum chewing while sitting back and looking bored.
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Hartlyboy, it baffles everyone else as well. Not only did they deny DeFeo the opportunity to serve on council for the 4th time, they also denied people the opportunity to serve on various committees yet again. The kicker for me was when Larry Thornton wanted to have a resume for Ginger Barkley (to serve on the ethics board). Come on Larry.......you are supposed to know what is going on in this town - if you did, you would know all about Ginger's good works. But no, you are too busy talking down to the mayor; sitting back in your chair at the meeting with your hands laced behind your head looking bored, then voting no with NO GOOD reasons.
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You townies are just too much. Looking East over the corn fields, I can see the glow of your lights but from the looks of it, there is no one home. It baffles us outlying peasants as to why it is so hard to do something as simple as appoint a council person when you have the rules and such set up to do it. Are the three people who are blocking it one party and this Defoe guy another? Is he the wrong race for the objectors? Does he dress funny? Maybe he's from New Jersey -now that would explain it 
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What do you think?
From the Delaware State News:
Smyrna fails to fill council seat
Town panel remains deadlocked on DeFeo despite protests
By Al Kemp
Delaware State News
SMYRNA — Despite the pleas of residents to get on with the business of governing, and despite the protesters picketing in front of Town Hall, Smyrna Town Council remained deadlocked over filling a vacant council seat on Monday night.
"This is ludicrous. It’s absolutely ridiculous," lamented town resident Kathy Melvin as she walked away from the meeting.
Before the council meeting, several town residents rallied on the steps of Town Hall, carrying signs that read "Tony Tony Tony" and "Think about your next election when you vote."
Melvin said the rift over the appointment of resident Tony DeFeo to a vacant seat has rendered council unable to govern.
Resident Al Kraft presented council with seven pages of names and addresses petitioning the group to appoint Mr. DeFeo to the post vacated by William D. Pressley before his failed bid for the mayor’s office in May.
Mayor Pat Stombaugh nominated Mr. DeFeo for the post six weeks ago, but his appointment has been voted down three times by council members Valerie White, Lawrence Thornton and Memphis Evans.
Melvin called that faction’s opposition to Mr. DeFeo’s appointment "obstructionist politics."
Town resident David Bright urged council to fill the vacancy and get on with town business.
"When we just sit and disagree and go nowhere, it’s an embarrassment, not just for council but for the entire town," Mr. Bright said.
Businesswoman Melaine Minear also urged council to end the deadlock, and asked Mr. Thornton to explain his repeated opposition to Mr. DeFeo’s appointment.
Mr. Thornton made a motion to elect Jeff Montejo to the vacant seat, but the motion failed by a vote of 4-2.
Another motion to appoint Mr. DeFeo to the vacant seat ensued, but it failed like the three before it, with Mr. Thornton, Miss White and Mr. Evans voting in opposition.
Even Mr. Montejo urged closure on the issue.
"I hope council elects either myself or Mr. DeFeo to this seat, so we can move forward as a town," he told the council.
Residents filled every chair in the council chambers, and murmured in disbelief at the voting.
Staff writer Al Kemp can be reached at 741-8296 or akemp@newszap.com.
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gene mullen wrote: ..... And then she doesn't believe anything because everyone lies to her.....
AND, therein lies the problem!!!!! IMO, if she were given the facts all the time instead of being fed a significant amount of b.s., she would have no reason to be suspicious.
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http://www.municode.com/resources/gateway.asp?pid=12853&sid=8
6.5 Filling vacancies on the town council.
6.5.1 Council-members. In case of a vacancy among the council-members, the remaining members of the town council may elect another qualified person to fill that vacant seat until the next ensuing regular municipal election.
The council is not under any obligation to fill the vacant seat. Their continuing to balk at their responsibilities toward the town is disgraceful. We elected them to do a job, and they are shirking that responsibility. All of them are, I will not place blame on one faction or another. Stop acting like children; shake hands, dust off your nonsense, and do what "we the people" elected you to do.
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fuzzy wrote: Everyone who is disgusted with the actions of the childish threesome should get to town hall EARLY - with signs indicating their displeasure in their actions. Let's get a protest going......I'll be there!!!!!!!
In the absence of a report I take it that the signs did not get to the town council meeting. Or maybe Mr. DeFeo was appointed and there is nothing left to say?
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Tracker wrote: gene mullen wrote: Pat Stombaugh wrote:
Councilwoman White does not. I was able to appoint her to the two other committees that she requested. I also had concern as Councilwoman White's past history is to walk out of committee meetings after an hour even if the meeting is not adjourned sometime leaving the committee without a quorum to vote. Councilwoman White was also hoping to be appointed Vice Mayor, I question if her actions now are self-serving and I do not understand because she, Pressley, Thornton, Mullen and Chervanek recommended changing the charter so there would be 7 council members and no mayor position. After the experience of the past two years, I would like very much to appoint a Vice Mayor that will work with me - not against me.
As chairman of 2 of the committees that Ms. White was on, I was informed of when she would have to leave due to family committments and often a week or more in advance. That is why we have 5 members of a committee. And I can think of only 1 time when Ms. White had to leave that we did not have a quorum. Agenda's were changed and the more important items put in the front and Ms. White was informed of what transpired. Family comes first!! But had the Mayor bothered to attend any of these important meeting she would have known.
Ms. White did not expect to Vice Mayor! The Mayor in her first term very strongly stated that she wanted to keep with tradition of appointing the most senior member of council to that position. She is one that changed her mind. And Ms. White opposes the changing of the Charter to eliminate the Mayor position and has stated that in open council meetings.
The Mayors last sentence says it all. Her way or the highway!!!!!
Do you see a patern here yet?
Mr. Mullen: I was told some time ago by a Finance Committee member that you were considering replacing Ms. White on the Finance Committee because she could not attend all the meetings and left early without advising you that she was unable to stay so that important issues that came up after she left were unable to be voted on. Apparently the Mayor was also advised of Ms. White's alleged lack of commitment to her job. And, yes, it appears that the Mayor has changed her mind on her strong feelings about tradition. She reported in this forum that she did so because she chose 2 people who refused to work with her, and now she wants someone who will. IMO, Ms. White has publicly shown that she is unwilling to compromise with the Mayor.
You were told. The mayor was told. I was there!!! The only one who will not compromise is the Mayor!! She doesn't want people to work with her only to cowtow to her. And quite frankly she isn't smart enough to pull it off. But that is only my opinion. When I see time and time again critical information given to her and her not knowing what any of it means. And then wasting time in council meetings trying to explain it to her. And then she doesn't believe anything because everyone lies to her. Wake up Smyrna, the Council isn't the problem, but the Mayor sure is.
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Wow......................................get a life.
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grow up and get a life. all you do is b****. are you a man or a woman. my bet would be a woman but me thinks you are actually a man. if you are married i pity the woman or man that has to put up with you.
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| Boy, I can see why you lie awake at night. is a man , a woman, think woman, but man. With thinking like that how can anyone sleep.
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| grow up and get a life. all you do is b****. are you a man or a woman. my bet would be a woman but me thinks you are actually a man. if you are married i pity the woman or man that has to put up with you.
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 01:49 pm |
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| Everyone who is disgusted with the actions of the childish threesome should get to town hall EARLY - with signs indicating their displeasure in their actions. Let's get a protest going......I'll be there!!!!!!!
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 01:31 pm |
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Did anyone see the letter in the SCST from Kathy Melvin that cited the actual part of the town charter that shows how a councilperson should be appointed in the event of a vacancy? It's pretty clear, council should follow the process.
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 12:46 pm |
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Another Opinion wrote: Two and a half cents wrote: Another Opinion wrote: Two and a half cents wrote:
If what you say is true why are you not bringing it up at a town meeting so the representative can be booted out on a morals clause?
2 1/2 cents ---- I know this has to be your idea of a joke, but I will bite: Exactly who do you believe will "boot out" the offending representative on a morals clause? I would like to know the name(s) of those who will do so, please. Not a joke at all. Give the info to the town manager, the mayor, the other council members, or leak the name to the press
2 1/2 cents --- I repeat my question: Exactly who do you believe will "boot out" the offending representative on a morals clause? I would like to know the name(s) of those who will do so, please.
I have no idea who would do what. What you are saying is going should not be going on. It needs to be brought out and someone needs to address it. I don't know who. If I had any names I would tell you. Guess I am looking at theings the way they shoul dbe and not the way they are.
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 12:01 pm |
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Two and a half cents wrote: Another Opinion wrote: Two and a half cents wrote:
If what you say is true why are you not bringing it up at a town meeting so the representative can be booted out on a morals clause?
2 1/2 cents ---- I know this has to be your idea of a joke, but I will bite: Exactly who do you believe will "boot out" the offending representative on a morals clause? I would like to know the name(s) of those who will do so, please. Not a joke at all. Give the info to the town manager, the mayor, the other council members, or leak the name to the press
2 1/2 cents --- I repeat my question: Exactly who do you believe will "boot out" the offending representative on a morals clause? I would like to know the name(s) of those who will do so, please.
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 02:40 am |
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BillieHoliday wrote: What is wrong with you people? Put DeFeo in office and get on with the issues of the Town.
I do so agree. Town Council meets next Monday night, and rumors are floating. I've been told that Thornton and White have a candidate in mind, but are working on Riddagh to come to "their side". Once that bargain is made, they will introduce their candidate. IMO, a FOIA violation is in the making. I'm sure that Councilman Riddagh is wise enough to realize that, once they have their candidate on board, they will no longer need his future votes, since White has reportedly told several people that Evans votes the way she tells him to. Come on, District 1, let your Councilman Evans know that he is supposed to represent you and not be Councilwoman White's puppet.
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 02:36 am |
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Another Opinion wrote: Two and a half cents wrote: law_and_order wrote: hey 2.5 tough if you don't like it. I don't think you even live in town anyway so what's it to you?
Sorry if I have a problem with a representative who can't abide by planning and zoning rules and who has police at their place in the middle of the night making arrests and taking folks off to jail . And for this I need to grow up? I think you need to just SHUT UP and mind your own business downstate.
If what you say is true why are you not bringing it up at a town meeting so the representative can be booted out on a morals clause?
2 1/2 cents ---- I know this has to be your idea of a joke, but I will bite: Exactly who do you believe will "boot out" the offending representative on a morals clause? I would like to know the name(s) of those who will do so, please. Not a joke at all. Give the info to the town manager, the mayor, the other council members, or leak the name to the press
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Posted: Thu Jun 11th, 2009 01:53 am |
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Two and a half cents wrote: law_and_order wrote: hey 2.5 tough if you don't like it. I don't think you even live in town anyway so what's it to you?
Sorry if I have a problem with a representative who can't abide by planning and zoning rules and who has police at their place in the middle of the night making arrests and taking folks off to jail . And for this I need to grow up? I think you need to just SHUT UP and mind your own business downstate.
If what you say is true why are you not bringing it up at a town meeting so the representative can be booted out on a morals clause?
2 1/2 cents ---- I know this has to be your idea of a joke, but I will bite: Exactly who do you believe will "boot out" the offending representative on a morals clause? I would like to know the name(s) of those who will do so, please.
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Posted: Wed Jun 10th, 2009 10:18 pm |
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law_and_order wrote: hey 2.5 tough if you don't like it. I don't think you even live in town anyway so what's it to you?
Sorry if I have a problem with a representative who can't abide by planning and zoning rules and who has police at their place in the middle of the night making arrests and taking folks off to jail . And for this I need to grow up? I think you need to just SHUT UP and mind your own business downstate.
If what you say is true why are you not bringing it up at a town meeting so the representative can be booted out on a morals clause?
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Posted: Mon Jun 8th, 2009 09:15 pm |
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gene mullen wrote: Pat Stombaugh wrote:
Councilwoman White does not. I was able to appoint her to the two other committees that she requested. I also had concern as Councilwoman White's past history is to walk out of committee meetings after an hour even if the meeting is not adjourned sometime leaving the committee without a quorum to vote. Councilwoman White was also hoping to be appointed Vice Mayor, I question if her actions now are self-serving and I do not understand because she, Pressley, Thornton, Mullen and Chervanek recommended changing the charter so there would be 7 council members and no mayor position. After the experience of the past two years, I would like very much to appoint a Vice Mayor that will work with me - not against me.
As chairman of 2 of the committees that Ms. White was on, I was informed of when she would have to leave due to family committments and often a week or more in advance. That is why we have 5 members of a committee. And I can think of only 1 time when Ms. White had to leave that we did not have a quorum. Agenda's were changed and the more important items put in the front and Ms. White was informed of what transpired. Family comes first!! But had the Mayor bothered to attend any of these important meeting she would have known.
Ms. White did not expect to Vice Mayor! The Mayor in her first term very strongly stated that she wanted to keep with tradition of appointing the most senior member of council to that position. She is one that changed her mind. And Ms. White opposes the changing of the Charter to eliminate the Mayor position and has stated that in open council meetings.
The Mayors last sentence says it all. Her way or the highway!!!!!
Do you see a patern here yet?
Mr. Mullen: I was told some time ago by a Finance Committee member that you were considering replacing Ms. White on the Finance Committee because she could not attend all the meetings and left early without advising you that she was unable to stay so that important issues that came up after she left were unable to be voted on. Apparently the Mayor was also advised of Ms. White's alleged lack of commitment to her job. And, yes, it appears that the Mayor has changed her mind on her strong feelings about tradition. She reported in this forum that she did so because she chose 2 people who refused to work with her, and now she wants someone who will. IMO, Ms. White has publicly shown that she is unwilling to compromise with the Mayor.
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Posted: Mon Jun 8th, 2009 08:45 pm |
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| Mr Mullen, go figure
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Posted: Mon Jun 8th, 2009 08:24 pm |
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Pat Stombaugh wrote:
Councilwoman White does not. I was able to appoint her to the two other committees that she requested. I also had concern as Councilwoman White's past history is to walk out of committee meetings after an hour even if the meeting is not adjourned sometime leaving the committee without a quorum to vote. Councilwoman White was also hoping to be appointed Vice Mayor, I question if her actions now are self-serving and I do not understand because she, Pressley, Thornton, Mullen and Chervanek recommended changing the charter so there would be 7 council members and no mayor position. After the experience of the past two years, I would like very much to appoint a Vice Mayor that will work with me - not against me.
As chairman of 2 of the committees that Ms. White was on, I was informed of when she would have to leave due to family committments and often a week or more in advance. That is why we have 5 members of a committee. And I can think of only 1 time when Ms. White had to leave that we did not have a quorum. Agenda's were changed and the more important items put in the front and Ms. White was informed of what transpired. Family comes first!! But had the Mayor bothered to attend any of these important meeting she would have known.
Ms. White did not expect to Vice Mayor! The Mayor in her first term very strongly stated that she wanted to keep with tradition of appointing the most senior member of council to that position. She is one that changed her mind. And Ms. White opposes the changing of the Charter to eliminate the Mayor position and has stated that in open council meetings.
The Mayors last sentence says it all. Her way or the highway!!!!!
Do you see a patern here yet?
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Posted: Sat Jun 6th, 2009 05:08 pm |
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hey 2.5 tough if you don't like it. I don't think you even live in town anyway so what's it to you?
Sorry if I have a problem with a representative who can't abide by planning and zoning rules and who has police at their place in the middle of the night making arrests and taking folks off to jail . And for this I need to grow up? I think you need to just SHUT UP and mind your own business downstate.
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Posted: Sat Jun 6th, 2009 04:49 pm |
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| What is wrong with you people? Put DeFeo in office and get on with the issues of the Town.
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Posted: Sat Jun 6th, 2009 04:05 pm |
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Facts: May 4th - council meeting - committee appointments named. All committees were accepted except 3. Two commissions were tabled due to questions. At this meeting I nominated Tony DeFeo to fill the vacant seat. I believe Tony will do what he said in his campaign promise and be an independent vote for the citizens. The two people that filed for Pressley's seat, before it was declared not eligible to be on the ballet, were offered the opportunity to run for the open at-large seat or the mayor’s position. Both declined.
May 18th - council meeting - due to the actions of council members causing a 3 to 3 vote, I decided it would be best if I didn't make a nomination for the vacant seat. The charter states any council person can make a nomination for the vacant seat. After several citizens spoke in favor of Tony DeFeo and one citizen presented a petition of almost 200 people in favor of Tony DeFeo, Bob Riddagh made the nomination for Tony DeFeo to fill the vacant seat. Again, it was a 3 to 3 vote. Therefore, the 3 voting no were not voting against my nomination.
June 1st - council meeting - Again I asked for nominations for the vacant seat. Bill Raynor nominated Tony DeFeo, again it was a 3 to 3 vote. Once again, the vote was not because I made the nomination. I did wonder at this point, if someone else was nominated would it change the vote. I nominated Regina Brown, who has made the effort to run in other elections, comes to council meetings and has served on many committees. No one would second the nomination. I have been told several council members think Regina would make a wonderful council member and would represent the citizens to the best of her ability but they felt this seat should go to Tony, which was the only reason they did not second the nomination.
I did compromise the past two years but it ended up being a one way compromise. There is room for council members to serve on 3 committees each with the newest council members serving on 2 committees. Last year Councilman Thornton insisted that he be appointed to 4 committees. Councilman Evans agreed to serve on 2 committees allowing Councilman Thornton to have his way. If you look at the minutes, Councilwoman White abstains from voting on the personnel committee. This year she asked to serve on three specific committees. She has insisted that she should be chairman of the personnel committee. I appointed Bill Raynor as he has a masters degree and a history of employment in this area, Councilwoman White does not. I was able to appoint her to the two other committees that she requested. I also had concern as Councilwoman White's past history is to walk out of committee meetings after an hour even if the meeting is not adjourned sometime leaving the committee without a quorum to vote. Councilwoman White was also hoping to be appointed Vice Mayor, I question if her actions now are self-serving and I do not understand because she, Pressley, Thornton, Mullen and Chervanek recommended changing the charter so there would be 7 council members and no mayor position. After the experience of the past two years, I would like very much to appoint a Vice Mayor that will work with me - not against me.
Councilwoman White is going into her 4th year serving on council, Councilman Thornton is going into his 3rd year and Councilman Evans is on his 2nd term. They all know the procedures. The past two years I asked for suggestions. Last year I asked almost daily for 3 weeks prior to the organizational meeting for suggestions. Councilwoman White was the only member that made suggestions prior to the organizational meeting. The day of the meeting a couple of other suggestions were presented. At that point there were several suggestions for several committees. I still had to make the final appointment for council's approval. If I didn't choose their suggestion there were still hard feelings. The organizational meetings have been an embarrassment to our town for years, even before my term because individuals were singled out and embarrassed. The charter states that the council confirms the mayor's committee appointments not individuals. I do not feel it is appropriate to appoint a citizen to a committee only to have them torn apart and embarrassed on the council floor.
These are the facts that I know of, if there are other reasons, I have not been informed.
Last edited on Sat Jun 6th, 2009 04:11 pm by Pat Stombaugh
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Posted: Sat Jun 6th, 2009 04:20 am |
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law_and_order wrote: I don't know what point the terrible trio is trying to make by wasting the town's money and the citizen's time by playing games with the mayor but what I do know is it's a bunch of BS!
Pretty arrogant behavior by a bunch that clearly does not hold any moral authority!
Is it true one uses their single family dwelling as a boarding house?
You can not just blame "the terrible trio" we have 6 members on council including the mayor. They all need to work it out. They are all acting like spoiled brats. You would think there would be one of them that is big enough or cares about the seat they hold enough to stand up and be his/her own person. What they are doing to themselves, the town and Mr. DeFeo is a darn shame.
And by the way law and order very adult of you to throw in the little tidbit about a council person"s single family dwelling. What does that have to do with anything? Makes me think you may be one of those "spoiled brats" GROW UP!
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Posted: Fri Jun 5th, 2009 09:28 pm |
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| Welcome!
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Posted: Fri Jun 5th, 2009 09:28 pm |
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| Welcome welcome!
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Posted: Fri Jun 5th, 2009 08:56 pm |
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I don't know what point the terrible trio is trying to make by wasting the town's money and the citizen's time by playing games with the mayor but what I do know is it's a bunch of BS!
Pretty arrogant behavior by a bunch that clearly does not hold any moral authority!
Is it true one uses their single family dwelling as a boarding house?
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