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And drugs (2nd floor, Lefty's about 3 months ago among others), and punks and other assorted riff-raft.  And so's the mall parking lot.  I like the idea of leveling the playing field with trash like this.

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Playing the Game wrote: Guns & Muggers.Yeah, Main Street is OVERRUN with guns and muggers!

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Playing the Game wrote: Guns & Muggers.
All the more reason Delaware needs a carry at will law.

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Guns & Muggers.

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Explain to me why people will go to a mall, walk a hundred yards just to get inside the building, then walk one end to the other and never complain about parking.  But go downtown and have to walk 50' and it's the end of the world.

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I don't care too much one way or the other about the parking because I rarely go downtown anymore. But I can't count the number of times I tried to park behind the old post office (school admin bldg) and there were 0 spaces. The roadway parking was 0 and behind the bank there were signs all over saying "customer parking only". I understand the issue with the large trucks, but people used to park in the yellow zone anyway because all the street parking was taken. Maybe a parking garage is needed now that the new downtown area will be used more. No easy solution, I agree.

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After talking to some of the people involved with the project I was told that one of the main reasons for removing the parking spaces in front of the gun shop and the bank dealt with turning radius of large vehicles. I know back in the early planning stages, like 5 years ago, there was an article in the Sun Times about the fire company being concerned with getting their equipment to make the turns. I believe that issue, along with local delivery trucks, was taken into consideration for the improvements. The biggest thing is that the downtown area gets extremely congested during the afternoon hours because of people trying to get to the bank and local shops. However, there is ample parking down by the library, behind the bank, and behind the former school building. People are just aggravated that they now have to walk an extra block or so to do their business.

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chloe wrote: Why is it necessary for the people to go to the meetings to report such problems, doesn't Smyrna have employees to do this?

Unfortunately, most problems are in the eyes of the beholder until they become the cause of a direct conflict.

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I think CC, SG missed the point chl.  It was a problem there, and is other places.  Why don't we fix them all, we don't need to spend 2 million to fix them.

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SmyrnaGuy wrote: Chloe maybe if you have problems with other parking spaces and blind spots, bring them up at a meeting. Maybe if enough people agree with you something will be done about it.

I am not a resident of your community, but I do visit Smyrna frequently and my belief is that if you wish people to visit your town then it would be wise to have someone periodically inspect the safety of all of your streets for "blind spots" and any other problems and not just to do it when you are making improvements such as the streetscape. Why is it necessary for the people to go to the meetings to report such problems, doesn't Smyrna have employees to do this?  

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cottoncandy wrote: There were several public hearings that were advertised to solicit public concerns.  They were attended by the Town Manager and staff, the engineers, a few Councilmen, and the landscape architectural firm to answer any questions that came up.  Drawings were set up around the room depicting the proposed finished streetscape  That was the time to ask about the parking spaces, not now.
Thank you! Why do some people think that everything some kind of behind closed doors conspiracy? Do you really think the council and town employees sit back and say "let's see how we can screw the citizens of our town today"?

It's a typical response- don't go to meetings, let it happen, and then complain about it. No one has time to attend any meetings to see what's really going on, but they have plenty of time to complain. To note- I didn't attend any meetings either, but you won't see me complaining about it. I like how it came out and think everyone involved did a good job on it.

Chloe maybe if you have problems with other parking spaces and blind spots, bring them up at a meeting. Maybe if enough people agree with you something will be done about it.

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There were several public hearings that were advertised to solicit public concerns.  They were attended by the Town Manager and staff, the engineers, a few Councilmen, and the landscape architectural firm to answer any questions that came up.  Drawings were set up around the room depicting the proposed finished streetscape  That was the time to ask about the parking spaces, not now.

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Chloe -- here is part of a post under the "council egg timer rule topic" by former council member Mullen:  "When citizens find out something it is usually long after the point that anything can be done to change it.  The public needs to be informed and that takes place in committee meetings. Council only approves what is recommended by committees and by that time the die is cast."

Because I believe that Mr. Mullen knows something about things, I accept his explanation that would lead one to think the decision to eliminate parking spaces was made by a committee.  I still don't know when committee elections are held in town.  If I find out, I will ask Fred for the day off at the quarry so I can vote.

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SmyrnaGuy wrote: chloe wrote: SmyrnaGuy wrote: I really don't have the means or desire to prove anything about regulations. All I'm saying is it makes sense to block off those spaces for safety and manuverablility of cars in those areas. At some point someone brought it up and other people thought it made sense as well, so it was done. Now live with it, I will!

Are you an example of a typical resident of the "Town of Smyrna", if so (picture me wanting to upchuck!)

You can't understand logic, so you resort to insults. Sounds like a few others on this forum. Sorry if you have to walk 20 more feet to get to the bank.

Logic, where's the logic, how was the decision made, was it made by a couple of drunks standing on the corner or a couple of small children playing there, who made it? Was it done by the mayor, or a majority of the town council who, who made the decision about the parking spaces. What about the other places where oncoming traffic can't be seen, like pulling out onto Main ST. at Delaware House, what about that, or pulling out of the Library Parking lot, visibility is poor there also when cars are parked along Main St. If they were going to take away some problem spaces, they should have taken away all.  Why only at the PNC and gun shop? If you don't have a logical explanation then keep your opinion to yourself.  This has nothing to do with walking, it has to do with who makes these decisions in the town and why they are made. Someone should be accountable for every decision that is made on any subject in the town that effects any tax paying citizen of the town or their family.

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Barney Rubble wrote: Interesting, Mayor.    When Fred and I went to the quarry this morning, I was almost certain that there were new traffic signals at the Main St / Commerce St intersection.    Maybe my eyes were not working real good --- I will have to pay more attention tomorrow.
The Mayor posts under her own name.  The rest of your post makes no sense either.  In case you had not noticed on your way to the quarry, there are east/west bound streets other than Commerce.

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Interesting, Mayor.    When Fred and I went to the quarry this morning, I was almost certain that there were new traffic signals at the Main St / Commerce St intersection.    Maybe my eyes were not working real good --- I will have to pay more attention tomorrow.

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It is very difficult for east/west bound traffic to see what is approaching on Main Street when vehicles are parked very close to the corners.  An alternative is 4-way stop signs on Main Street.  Personally I am hoping that the restricted parking on Main Street will solve the problem, and we will not have to resort to the use of 4-way stop signs for the public's safety.

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chloe wrote: SmyrnaGuy wrote: I really don't have the means or desire to prove anything about regulations. All I'm saying is it makes sense to block off those spaces for safety and manuverablility of cars in those areas. At some point someone brought it up and other people thought it made sense as well, so it was done. Now live with it, I will!

Are you an example of a typical resident of the "Town of Smyrna", if so (picture me wanting to upchuck!)

You can't understand logic, so you resort to insults. Sounds like a few others on this forum. Sorry if you have to walk 20 more feet to get to the bank.

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SmyrnaGuy wrote: I really don't have the means or desire to prove anything about regulations. All I'm saying is it makes sense to block off those spaces for safety and manuverablility of cars in those areas. At some point someone brought it up and other people thought it made sense as well, so it was done. Now live with it, I will!

Are you an example of a typical resident of the "Town of Smyrna", if so (picture me wanting to upchuck!)

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I really don't have the means or desire to prove anything about regulations. All I'm saying is it makes sense to block off those spaces for safety and manuverablility of cars in those areas. At some point someone brought it up and other people thought it made sense as well, so it was done. Now live with it, I will!

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SmyrnaGuy wrote: If you look at where spaces were removed, it was right at the intersection, which makes sense as it gives turning vehicles more room, and at the driveway coming out of the PNC parking lot/drivethru. Again, it gives more room for vehicles to move. They did the same down the street some coming out of that municipal lot.

It's amazing how some people, even after a project is successful and is well done, have something to b**ch about.  First it was it will never get done on time. It gets done on time, now the complaint is over a few parking places that were most likely eliminated due to some kind of regulations on how close you can park to intersections and driveways.



Regulations? Prove it! I have lived here for over 20 years, if there were regulations about these parking spaces during that time why weren't they blocked off before this? Does it take that long for the Town of Smyrna to enforce their own rules?  Looks like it................

What is the reason for not being able to turn left onto Main Street out of the Leager Shopping Center?

Is a stop light planned for the entrance/exit at the Acme/Smyrna Shopping Center?

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If you look at where spaces were removed, it was right at the intersection, which makes sense as it gives turning vehicles more room, and at the driveway coming out of the PNC parking lot/drivethru. Again, it gives more room for vehicles to move. They did the same down the street some coming out of that municipal lot.

It's amazing how some people, even after a project is successful and is well done, have something to b**ch about.  First it was it will never get done on time. It gets done on time, now the complaint is over a few parking places that were most likely eliminated due to some kind of regulations on how close you can park to intersections and driveways.

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ForeverSmyrna wrote: Who's bright idea was it to eliminate so many parking spaces downtown? Two in front of PNC, Two in front of the gun shop? What's going on?
I will bet that they didn't eliminate any spaces in front of the jewelry store.

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Playing the Game wrote: Ain't nothing worth visiting in Smyrna anyways, so what's the problem?

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Who's bright idea was it to eliminate so many parking spaces downtown? Two in front of PNC, Two in front of the gun shop? What's going on?

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Someone wrote: Are they going to do the other three directions of downtown?
As soon as funding is in place.  Is your check in the mail?

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Are they going to do the other three directions of downtown?

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What do you think?

From the Delaware State News:


Smyrna’s Main Street project complete


Officials, residents praise results


By Leah Burcat


Delaware State News


SMYRNA — With the completion of the Smyrna Streetscape Improvements Project comes the end of sleepless nights for many of the town’s Main Street families.


"We just dealt with it," said resident Melissa Reed, who said noises could be heard throughout the evening as work crews attempted to complete the project without invading upon business hours of local establishments.


But, she added, her children enjoyed watching the improvements unfold.


"It was fun," said her daughter Jessica, 7. "I didn’t have any sleepless nights."


After seven-and-a-half months of night-time work the project was completed, and on Monday the Delaware Department of Transportation and the historic community of Smyrna joined together to unveil the town’s enhanced Main Street. The street is now free of the dangling wires that had dotted the landscape and complete with improved underground utilities, a new blacktop road, brick sidewalk, more streetlights and granite curbs.


At Monday’s ribbon-cutting ceremony, many involved in getting the project off the ground spoke about its importance and their excitement at seeing the long-anticipated project finally complete.


"DelDOT has enjoyed working with the Town of Smyrna businesses and residents. These improvements will result in increased pedestrian safety and provide an attractive look to the downtown area," said DelDOT Secretary Carolann Wicks.


The improved street will help present businesses expand, said Smyrna Mayor Patricia M. Stombaugh. "It is important we take care of what we already have; therefore, upgrading the utilities and improving the appearance of our town is a major part of re-investing back in our community," she said.


"They just did a fantastic job," said Rep. William J. Carson, D-Smyrna.


And it was not just politicians who were gushing over the town’s new digs — local business owners also appeared to be very pleased.


"I would tell customers, ‘Look how beautiful it’s going to be when it’s finished.’ And it is," said Ellen Sayers, of Sayers Jewelers.


The family-run Main Street business is celebrating its 60th anniversary this month, in addition to celebrating the enhanced streetscape, said June Sayer.


"It is a huge improvement in the appearance of downtown. We needed new sewer and water for years. This benefits the entire town," said Ron Sayer.


In mid-January, work done by the firm KCI Technologies began on the street upgrade work, which included replacing sewer pipes and moving telephone wires underground. Sam’s Construction Company, a Wilmington-based firm, began work on the streetscape enhancements in May.


"This was not just a streetscape project, but a full utilities project," said Smyrna Town Manager Dave Hugg. "And for about eight months, the world was pretty much torn up here."


Both phases of the project cost about $1 million, with money coming from DelDOT’s Transportation Enhancement Program, the congressional delegation and the Town of Smyrna.


"People who lived here may have gone through some sleepless nights and I know they’re glad we’re finished, but it was worth it," said Mayor Stombaugh.


Staff writer Leah Burcat can be reached at 741-8250 or lburcat@newszap.com.

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Playing the game...................KMA !!!

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Well, the street is paved, it looks like the project is winding down right on schedule.

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Playing the Game wrote: Ain't nothing worth visiting in Smyrna anyways, so what's the problem?
If you feel Smyrna is so bad- move and if you don't live here - STAY AWAY!

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Probaly trying to get to the movie theater.

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IMHO Only wrote: ForeverSmyrna wrote: If the sign says the road is closed until 5, then darn it the road should be open by 5 right? I come through there every day and it is almost never open at 5.
Why would anyone subject their vehicle to a road that you know is being repaired unless it's just to see what can be complained about in this forum.  I have not driven down Main Street for months.  I will drive down there when the work is done.

Because its there. :P

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ForeverSmyrna wrote: If the sign says the road is closed until 5, then darn it the road should be open by 5 right? I come through there every day and it is almost never open at 5.
Why would anyone subject their vehicle to a road that you know is being repaired unless it's just to see what can be complained about in this forum.  I have not driven down Main Street for months.  I will drive down there when the work is done.

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Folks, I am sure I will get I do not know what I am talking about, but it has been a mess from the beginning, poorly done.  But come on out you I know everything Smyrna folks.  I don't know what this town would do if it got something First Class.  Some of you must still have outhouse's in your yard.

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If the sign says the road is closed until 5, then darn it the road should be open by 5 right? I come through there every day and it is almost never open at 5.

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Who do you trust wrote: Only 8 days to go! til mid-August!I suppose if it's not done right on the 15th then people will have an "I told you so" attitude? They seem to be making pretty good progress to me. They'll pave that in one night, you watch.

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Only 8 days to go! til mid-August!

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Is that mid August 2010?

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No, sir, Hartlyboy

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chloe wrote: Rumor: President Obama was born in Smyrna, but he is too embarrassed to tell anybody or show his birth certificate.
I think he was really born in Cheswold.:shock:

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chloe wrote: I WOULDN'T HAVE BELIEVED THAT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO GET SO MANY DUMB PEOPLE INTO ONE SMALL TOWN LIKE SMYRNA..................................BUT THEY HAVE MADE A BELIEVER OUT OF ME  :shock:
Well, the town is a lot bigger now because of all the #*&%^%$ annexations so we have plenty of room for new dummies. Say, aren't you from one of those new developments.....?

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No chl, it isn't embarrassed, as President, doesn't want the world to know he has done favors for the town, but getting the downtown done.

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Rumor: President Obama was born in Smyrna, but he is too embarrassed to tell anybody or show his birth certificate.

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chloe wrote: I WOULDN'T HAVE BELIEVED THAT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO GET SO MANY DUMB PEOPLE INTO ONE SMALL TOWN LIKE SMYRNA..................................BUT THEY HAVE MADE A BELIEVER OUT OF ME  :shock:
This is a requirement to live in the town.  Is why mayor stombaug wants a hospital to come there to be able to treat mental patiense.  A rich field for a pschiatrist[sp].  Maybe i can be first.

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chl, is that why you are here?

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chloe wrote: I WOULDN'T HAVE BELIEVED THAT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO GET SO MANY DUMB PEOPLE INTO ONE SMALL TOWN LIKE SMYRNA..................................BUT THEY HAVE MADE A BELIEVER OUT OF ME  :shock:
Oh, I guess you have not met our town council members yet!

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I WOULDN'T HAVE BELIEVED THAT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO GET SO MANY DUMB PEOPLE INTO ONE SMALL TOWN LIKE SMYRNA..................................BUT THEY HAVE MADE A BELIEVER OUT OF ME  :shock:


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