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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 12:16 am |
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| I have no interest in reading the depositions. The town and Mr. Ryan have settled their differences. It would be nice -- but a stretch -- to believe that the town actually learned a valuable, if expensive, lesson.
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 07:34 pm |
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Mr. Ryan was not fired by the Mayor and all of Council. Three Council members voted to fire Mr. Ryan. During their depositions they ALL swore under oath that they made a mistake. They were not asked why they said they made the mistake because all Mr. Ryan's attorney was interested in was them acknowledging they did make a mistake.
You might do yourself a favor and ask the Town Hall to let you read the depositions. After you read them you will never again wonder why the Town settled out of Court with Mr. Ryan. It was a sad case of small minded people making the wrong decision even after their attorney told them of the possible consequences of making that decision.
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 04:30 pm |
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gordo wrote: Everyone of the Council members and Mayor have sworn, under oath, Ryan was innocent of all charges and he should have never been fired.
The irony in your statement is that Mr. Ryan was fired by the mayor and council, was he not? So, if every one of the council members and the mayor swore under oath that he should not have been fired, did they provide justification for their actions in doing just that? Firing a man with whom the town had a binding employment contract?
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 04:15 pm |
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I find it a little more than amusing that Vann's attorney keeps sayingRyan changed meeting minutes.
Hey Swartz, did you conveniently forget Ryan did not have any authority to change any minutes. All minutes of any Council is voted on and approved by the Council - not the Town Manager or any one Council member?
Is has been proven over and over Ryan did nothing even remotely wrong. Everyone of the Council members and Mayor have sworn, under oath, Ryan was innocent of all charges and he should have never been fired.
I also find it a little more than amusing the press and Vann's attorney have conviently neglected to acknowledge the Supreme Court has ruled that the TOWN OF CHESWOLD WAS JUSTIFED IN FIRING VANN BASED UPON 17 DIFFERENT CHARGES LISTED IN THE LAWSUITand the attorney general's office and delaware state police found nothing to vann's charges that minutes had been changed.
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gordo wrote: You, apparently, have no idea of how attorneys work.
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Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 05:02 am |
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| Perhaps you underestimate how deeply entrenched Mr. Vann might be.
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 09:59 pm |
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You, apparently, have no idea of how attorneys work.
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Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 07:41 pm |
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| Gordo -- settle with Vann???? Why would Mr. Vann be interested in "settling" anything with the town? Seems like he presently holds the cards. The town has 2 options that are available right now -- pay him the $289,000 or appeal the jury's verdict.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 07:17 pm |
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| gordo -- you say Mr. Ryam name was cleared. By who? A jury? That is who is clearing Chief Vann name. I think he will get the money OK. Everybody else here at the quarry thinks so too.
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 05:45 pm |
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| gordo wrote: Last edited on Sat Nov 7th, 2009 01:08 pm by gordo
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gordo wrote: All you naysayers listen up! Vann will never see one penny of this money. The Delaware Supreme Court has already ruled Cheswold was justified in firing Vann and saw no reason why Vann should be an employee of Cheswold.
Ryan's name has been cleared but Vann's name will never be cleared.
I think we should all ponder and figure out where Vann is getting the money for these lawsuits. Find the money and you will find who is in back of this whole mess.
Enough said.....wait for the next shoe to drop! Vann will get what he deserves ---NOTHING!!!!
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Posted: Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 04:43 pm |
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What do you think?
From the Delaware State News:
Ex-Cheswold chief awarded $289K
Jury finds town officials wrongly fired Vann
By Bruce Pringle
Delaware State News
DOVER — A Superior Court jury has found that Cheswold officials defamed a former town police chief and wrongly fired him after he reported a possible misdeed by one of their colleagues.
Jurors on Thursday awarded the ex-chief, Robbin Vann, nearly $300,000 on claims stemming from his dismissal in 2005.
"More important for me was to restore my name," Mr. Vann said. "That’s worth more than money. I feel vindicated."
He contended his termination was revenge for being a "whistle blower" who asked state police and the Delaware attorney general’s office to investigate whether the minutes of a 2004 Town Council meeting had been altered by Edward Ryan, a town council member, who became town manager.
The alleged alteration involved the minutes of the meeting in which the council later said it had hired Mr. Ryan as manager. Mr. Vann said he sought an investigation after one council member told him no vote on the hiring had occurred in the session.
The jury, which heard three days of testimony before deliberating for three hours, awarded Mr. Vann $244,000 because the firing allegedly violated his contract and $45,000 under his whistle blower claim. It also found the town guilty of defamation of character, but awarded damages of only $1, which is all he requested.
Mr. Vann’s attorney, Benjamin Schwartz, said the defamation claim was based on a formal statement from council that was published in the Delaware State News and Dover Post. Mr. Schwartz said proving the statement cost Mr. Vann money would have been difficult, but a symbolic $1 was sought "to prove the point they went out to intentionally defame Chief Vann."
Town officials maintained Mr. Vann was insubordinate toward then-Mayor Peter Diakos, failed to follow town policies and made an unauthorized purchase of cell phones for himself and another officer.
The case bounced between Superior and Delaware Supreme courts before finally going to trial this week.
"I really feel my career was damaged," said Mr. Vann, 52, who spent 26 years in police work but has not found a job in law enforcement since his dismissal. He is an account manager with Bank of America in Newark.
Cheswold Mayor Donald Tinari, who was not in office at the time of Mr. Vann’s firing and was not named in the lawsuit, declined to comment on the outcome of the trial or whether the town will appeal.
Mr. Diakos also declined to comment. He was an individual defendant in the lawsuit, as were the other council members in office at the time: Richard Ziegenhorn, Conchetta Edel, Richard H. Seeney, James O. Plummer III and Robert W. Sine. Only Mr. Sine remains in office. Attempts to reach the other individual defendants were unavailing, as were attempts to reach current council members other than Mayor Tinari.
Attorney Ronald G. Poliquin, who represented the town, was unavailable.
Staff writer Bruce Pringle can be reached at 741-8233 or bpringle@newszap.com.
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Posted: Sat Oct 31st, 2009 12:40 am |
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All you naysayers listen up! Vann will never see one penny of this money. The Delaware Supreme Court has already ruled Cheswold was justified in firing Vann and saw no reason why Vann should be an employee of Cheswold.
Ryan's name has been cleared but Vann's name will never be cleared.
I think we should all ponder and figure out where Vann is getting the money for these lawsuits. Find the money and you will find who is in back of this whole mess.
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| very few places could I think of that this could happen to one village. How can the town pay for this? Can it? Like a 3 ring circus!
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Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 10:29 pm |
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Milton Resident wrote: Vann wins $290,000
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20091030/NEWS/91030044
Well, for the time being it would appear that a jury believes the town was not justified in firing Chief Vann. Too bad that Mr. Ryan has probably already been paid his $300k -- the town may have been able to net that against this $290k and given Ryan only $10,000, since Ryan appears to have been instrumental in participating in the town improperly fire Chief Vann. I wonder where the town will get $290k to pay this award?
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Vann wins $290,000
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20091030/NEWS/91030044
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gordo wrote: That just isn't true Helen. This case is about whistle Blower statues. Of course it was before Tinari and Joanna baby got on council. It's their stupid, ignorant thought processes and having a inexperienced lawyer try the case for the town. Schwartz just tore Poliquin apart - just like Neuberger did .
They will never learn. I don't know how much Vann won but it was stated he was seeking $1,000,000.00
Now aren't all you Vann lovers just so proud you put the last nail in Cheswold's coffin. (All those meetings you all attended when you let Vann take you down the road to ruination.
I hear Vann just won his case in Court.
Nope have you been to the hearing ?
The lawyer tried to get thrown out but , face it 3 day trial is all the Court wants to hear . Not sure Vann will be able to prove his case or not ( it is true what the paper said and there was no gag order on the council can say what ever they please as long as it's the truth !
Six degrees of separation can also weave a web of deception in the circle of one's life.
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That just isn't true Helen. This case is about whistle Blower statues. Of course it was before Tinari and Joanna baby got on council.
They will never learn. I don't know how much Vann won but it was stated he was seeking $1,000,000.00
Now aren't all you Vann lovers just so proud you put the last nail in Cheswold's coffin. (All those meetings you all attended when you let Vann take you down the road to ruination.
I hear Vann just won his case in Court.
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It's about character assassination that Vann claimed happened in the paper before
Joanna and Don got in there , so once again you are blaming the wrong folks for the laying out of cash
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Posted: Thu Oct 29th, 2009 02:24 pm |
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Can someone please tell us why the Town is incurring expenses for a jury trial for Robin Vann? Today a jury will decide (after three days of testimony) if Robin Vann was supposed to be fired!!!!HUH??????????
Hey guys, in case you didn't know the Delaware Supreme Court heard the same set of facts and decided the Town of Cheswold was justified in firing Vann.
Is this just more of attorneys needing rent money or is it another example of the Cheswold Town Council's brain dead actions? I realize if Vann or anyone else brings suit against anyone they must defend themselves against a lawsuit but why didn't Poliquin stop the suit on the grounds it has already been heard. So poor Vann's reputation was ruined - poor guy - I guess he never heard of the little boy getting burned if he touched the hot stove. Well, little boy Vann, Ryan and Cheswold were the hot stove and you got what you deserved.
Another 50K down the tubes for defending the town. Now Tinari and Campbell and all you other renegades aren't you proud of yourselves for causing a town to be on the verge of bankruptcy because of your childish self serving actions??????
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someone cares wrote: Haven't been to a recent coucil meeting, have you?
LOL! Cite the last two things, and the dates, which Tinari proposed that the council did not vote in favor of.
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| Van Jones and Valerie Jarrett will have all the time they need on hand in 2010 if the town can hold off
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| Haven't been to a recent coucil meeting, have you?
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Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 01:29 am |
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| If that's what the mayor wants, that what he will get. The town council blindly votes in favor of and follows anything he suggests, and nobody there even questions him. The council members suggest that Tinari is the mayor in order to prevent him having a vote on town matters, but then appoint him to also be the king so that there is no real voting on his ideas.
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Have to say Gordo is right .
I was there the night that Condon did his interview ( But ryan did hand pick him )
If the town doesn't get more income they will be unable to pay Condon's salary he has in the past turn down raises in lue extra vacation time .
But when the buck stops he will be and has been looking else where
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Ah! It's been so long since I read pure Cheswoldian logic on this blog. What evidence do you have that he is "delusional". Ryan and Condon didn't come to Cheswold together. Ryan hired Condon. What evidence do you have that they want to take over any town? What evidence do you have that they would even discuss such a topic? What evidence do you have that they even talk to each other? None, I thought not
Seems to me that certain people like Barney still are feeling the sting of Mr. Ryan exercising his rights and winning his legal claim against the town of cheswold. What a pity you can't just accept the fact that ryan won and you renegades lost. Grow up and get a life!
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Milton Resident wrote: Why is this guy attending Milton town council meetings? Is he waiting for someone to fall so he can take their spot?
Yes -- he is delusional. He believes that he is town manager material. He also believes that he and chief condon of chswold, as a team like they came to cheswold tofether, can take over any town. That is why they have been down there.
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Why is this guy attending Milton town council meetings? Is he waiting for someone to fall so he can take their spot?
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Apples and oranges are fruits but a salad they do not make , Thank you for adding the bananas, Popeye.
Your friend can add the nuts
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Think Before You Move wrote: WK - I'll give you some advise. Those people are just trying to stir the pot. They seem incapable of discussing a terrible situation the Town of Cheswold is in regarding the Ryan v Cheswold case andjust want to blabber on about nothing.
We have seen Cheswoldians stick their heads in the stand about many things lately but sooner or later they are going to have to facr the facts. Mr. Ryan and other issues are not going to go away and the longer the town takes to address these problems the more it is going to cost the town.
TBYM is a wise ole gal. And this certainly did come true. When they did face the facts under oath they all realized what they tried to do to Mr. Ryan was immoral, unthical and illegal. End of discussion.
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| We not only think differently we think maybe you are smoking that pipe too much. Your reply make no sense.
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Well the boss is still out on the that , seems some aren't as smart as others every where !
Mr. Ryan couldn't keep that last job and he was looking for one when he made his way to Sleepy Hollow !
It's all in the way morals and standards are applied when using common sense , The people ( council) of both towns made the right decision , though many may think differently
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| I see the Milton Town Council was a lot smarter that our stupid councel was.
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| Little bit of flavoring in your Pepsi too!
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Runnerman wrote: painter wrote: Mis Heln Wich it loks lik goro din no lik you pitcur - it mad a chang ther mine. Thans be, to y ou.
For those of us who are not fluent in Cheswoldianspeak, could someone kindly act as a translator?
helen looks like gordo didn't like your picture , it made them change their mind
heh heh heh
Because of BS 101 I have mastered much of man's speech and thought.
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painter wrote: Mis Heln Wich it loks lik goro din no lik you pitcur - it mad a chang ther mine. Thans be, to y ou.
For those of us who are not fluent in Cheswoldianspeak, could someone kindly act as a translator?
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| Mis Heln Wich it loks lik goro din no lik you pitcur - it mad a chang ther mine. Thans be, to y ou.
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nah but I could havve been hitting the bottle with him under the bridge
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhish
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| Helen your writing has become much like Painter's . Are you both the same person? Seems like you are. Or have you been down in the quarry too long and the heat got to you?
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Because of the recent law suits I can not commit to one single friend's description .
I would send you in an irrisory
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| Some friends Helen? Or just one BIG pal?
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gordo wrote: Helen here wrote: Gordo
Rumors have reach me stating it was one of your friend's cupidity that has caused most of the towns troubles.
Who was that friend ?
Do you really enjoy lying ?
The haecceity theory I have chosen to reveal about some of your friends being lummoxes, bothers you doesn't it?
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painter wrote: Mis Heln Wich the pirpel on loks jus lik my lanlady in tha nigt goen. Thans be, to y ou.
Painter be careful
them there cops haven't caught the last peeping tom from 2001 , you may get a pile of charges put on you .

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