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Im trying to fiqure out how his past has anything to do with this? your past is your past. doesn't anyone watch doctor phil? 
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who died and put you in charge of tracking.
What is your point?
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| She thinks we are the same in one lol wouldn't she be surprised.
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Miss Kitty wrote: You dont even want to go there. At least I raised mine.Say hi to your dogs max and chandler 
LOL Miss Kitty you must know granny goose, maxchandler, sister suzy and mrs. mom. I know they are only one person and she started out as sister suzy and everyone knew who she was so she keeps changing her name that is to funny. Caught you sister.
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| You dont even want to go there. At least I raised mine.Say hi to your dogs max and chandler
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"OUT WHERE?"
she is just a trouble maker looking for attention, ignore her.
I pity her <miss kitty and para > who is one in the same, If she has children I feel SSOOOO sorry for them!
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Your incorrect, people DO get arrested when they are defending themselves!
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fishon wrote: where should i begin. this whole town is corrupted. I WILL PRAY FOR ALL OF YOU. THIS TOWN SUCKS BIG BALLS AND U ALL CAN GO WHERE GOD WILL PUT U.
I really do understand the way you feel! We do live in a a "good old boy community" It is corrupt, BUT it is changing, keep the faith!
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| where should i begin. this whole town is corrupted. I WILL PRAY FOR ALL OF YOU. THIS TOWN SUCKS BIG BALLS AND U ALL CAN GO WHERE GOD WILL PUT U.
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WHAT?! wrote: GRANNY GOOSE, YOU SOUND LIKE A VERY NICE WOMAN BUT MAYBE TOO NICE.
Thankyou.
YOUR WELCOME.
I DONT THINK MY COMMENTS ARE TO HARSH WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE POSITION IN QUESTION AND THE ACTIONS COMMITED.
They seem harsh to me, like I said, pastors are humsn.
THERE YOU GO BEING NICE AGAIN.
AS FOR NOT KNOWING ANY DETAILS, THERES NOT MUCH THAT NEEDS TO BE KNOWN....IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN!! IT DOESN'T MATTER IF SHE'S THE WORST OF THE WORST, WALK AWAY AND AVOID A SITUATION.
I disagree, the details really do need to be known I never make a judgement until I know the two sides. There are 2 sides to every story.
WHEN YOU CALL THE PAPER AND ASK THEM NOT TO PRINT YOUR NAME, IT SEEMS THAT YOU ARE HIDING FROM THE ISSUE. IF IT WAS ME IN THIS PREDICAMENT I WOULD HAVE WRITTEN A LETTER OF REMORSE AND APOLOGY TO THE COMMUNITY AND HIS CONGREGATION AND ASKED THE LOCAL PAPER TO PRINT IT IN THE SAME ISSUE. THAT WOULD HAVE SERVED HIM BETTER. A MAN THAT TAKES RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS ACTIONS IS A MAN THAT DESERVES RESPECT. THAT IS WHY I FEEL THE WAY I DO. Maybe he didn't call and request that his name not be printed, I just said that it is a possibility. I also know of someone who was arrested and her name wasn't in the issue following the incident either, and she never called to request that her name be excluded.
PEOPLE ARE WAY TOO SYMPATHETIC TOWARDS THEIR PASTORS WHEN THEY FALTER. WE SHOULD DEMAND BETTER FROM THEM AND NOT MAKE EXCUSES FOR THEM WHEN THEY GET ARRESTED! I am not making excuses for anyone, just to let you know. I am just saying, LET IT GO ALREADY!! Let him, God, his family, his church, and the court system, that he IS obviously involved in because he got arrested, deal with this in whatever way they so choose.
Like I said to you, this is really harsh, People are human they are going to make mistakes, if they hold themselves accountable, learn and grow then imo, it happened for a reason.
WE ALL KNOW PASTORS ARE NOT PERFECT BUT BEATING ON A WOMAN IS FAR FROM PASTOR MATERIAL.
Beating on a woman? Do you know fact, he literally beat her? Assult has many colors. This is how rumor's start. This is why we need to know the detail's. Do we know why he assulted her? Maybe he was defending himself.
NOBODY GETS ARRESTED FOR DEFENDING THEMSELVES. That's so typical, people DO get arrested everyday for defending themselves. Where do you live? Under a rock? Come on!! It happens ALL the time. There are WOMEN in jail right now because they got tired of being hit, so they stand up for themselves and since everyone turned their heads while she got beaten there is no proof to make it self defense and she ends up in prison for life. I am not saying this was self defense. I don't know what it was, and NO I don't go to his church.
I'M SURPRISED THE ABUSED WOMEN HAVENT MADE IT AN ISSUE YET.
Probably cuz the fact's, the details the reality of the assult has not been introduced to the public!
NOT TO MENTION THIS PARTICULAR "PASTOR" HAS A PAST THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT A SURPRISE.
A past, okay now I know why you are reacting the way you are, the past is the past.
THE PAST CAME BACK TO HAUNT HIM, YOU CANT IGNORE IT. IF YOU AVOID THESE TYPES OF ISSUES THE PAST STAYS THE PAST.
IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME. AS FOR THE CONGREGATION, ITS A CASE OF THE "BLIND LEADING THE BLIND".
A matter of time for what? Iam sure that God will provide and care for this pastor and his congregation.
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whats this are you calling her out
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GRANNY GOOSE, YOU SOUND LIKE A VERY NICE WOMAN BUT MAYBE TOO NICE.
Thankyou.
YOUR WELCOME.
I DONT THINK MY COMMENTS ARE TO HARSH WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE POSITION IN QUESTION AND THE ACTIONS COMMITED.
They seem harsh to me, like I said, pastors are humsn.
THERE YOU GO BEING NICE AGAIN.
AS FOR NOT KNOWING ANY DETAILS, THERES NOT MUCH THAT NEEDS TO BE KNOWN....IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN!! IT DOESN'T MATTER IF SHE'S THE WORST OF THE WORST, WALK AWAY AND AVOID A SITUATION.
I disagree, the details really do need to be known I never make a judgement until I know the two sides. There are 2 sides to every story.
WHEN YOU CALL THE PAPER AND ASK THEM NOT TO PRINT YOUR NAME, IT SEEMS THAT YOU ARE HIDING FROM THE ISSUE. IF IT WAS ME IN THIS PREDICAMENT I WOULD HAVE WRITTEN A LETTER OF REMORSE AND APOLOGY TO THE COMMUNITY AND HIS CONGREGATION AND ASKED THE LOCAL PAPER TO PRINT IT IN THE SAME ISSUE. THAT WOULD HAVE SERVED HIM BETTER. A MAN THAT TAKES RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS ACTIONS IS A MAN THAT DESERVES RESPECT. THAT IS WHY I FEEL THE WAY I DO.
PEOPLE ARE WAY TOO SYMPATHETIC TOWARDS THEIR PASTORS WHEN THEY FALTER. WE SHOULD DEMAND BETTER FROM THEM AND NOT MAKE EXCUSES FOR THEM WHEN THEY GET ARRESTED!
Like I said to you, this is really harsh, People are human they are going to make mistakes, if they hold themselves accountable, learn and grow then imo, it happened for a reason.
WE ALL KNOW PASTORS ARE NOT PERFECT BUT BEATING ON A WOMAN IS FAR FROM PASTOR MATERIAL.
Beating on a woman? Do you know fact, he literally beat her? Assult has many colors. This is how rumor's start. This is why we need to know the detail's. Do we know why he assulted her? Maybe he was defending himself.
NOBODY GETS ARRESTED FOR DEFENDING THEMSELVES.
I'M SURPRISED THE ABUSED WOMEN HAVENT MADE IT AN ISSUE YET.
Probably cuz the fact's, the details the reality of the assult has not been introduced to the public!
NOT TO MENTION THIS PARTICULAR "PASTOR" HAS A PAST THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT A SURPRISE.
A past, okay now I know why you are reacting the way you are, the past is the past.
THE PAST CAME BACK TO HAUNT HIM, YOU CANT IGNORE IT. IF YOU AVOID THESE TYPES OF ISSUES THE PAST STAYS THE PAST.
IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME. AS FOR THE CONGREGATION, ITS A CASE OF THE "BLIND LEADING THE BLIND".
A matter of time for what? Iam sure that God will provide and care for this pastor and his congregation.
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You know what,WHAT, nobody is perfect even the Bible tell you that. however ,I think you think you are ,people err everyday ,People get mad ,even Jesus ,so you need to drop your holier than thou attitude and no I'm not associated with that church or know the pastor ,but I know he is just a man and myself I don't hold anyone higher than another .He must face a judge and jury in the courts and also he will be dealt with by his congregation.But he won't be stoned in the street like you would want him to be ,if you want to determine his fate in the church join it, Oh and by the way your cap lock is on ,Have a blessed day .Firefly
I DONT THINK IM PERFECT AND I DONT WANT ANYBODY STONED....WELL, EXCEPT FOR CHILD MOLESTORS. THANKS FOR NOTICING MY CAPS LOCK IS ON.
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GRANNY GOOSE, YOU SOUND LIKE A VERY NICE WOMAN BUT MAYBE TOO NICE. I DONT THINK MY COMMENTS ARE TO HARSH WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE POSITION IN QUESTION AND THE ACTIONS COMMITED. AS FOR NOT KNOWING ANY DETAILS, THERES NOT MUCH THAT NEEDS TO BE KNOWN....IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN!!( This is one thing I agree with you on, It shouln't happen and there is no excuse. He is a Pastor and there is a higher standard. However, who decides what that standard is, you?? I don't think so. He is a person, he is not God.)
AMEN TO THAT.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF SHE'S THE WORST OF THE WORST, WALK AWAY AND AVOID A SITUATION. PEOPLE ARE WAY TOO SYMPATHETIC TOWARDS THEIR PASTORS WHEN THEY FALTER.(Have you any idea the pressure a Pastor is under? Obviously not or you wouldn't say something so ignorant. Pastors are PEOPLE just like us.
PRESSURE? ANOTHER EXCUSE. KNOWING HOW TO HANDLE "PRESSURE" IN A CIVIL MANNER SHOULD BE A "STANDARD" REQUIREMENTT IF ITS NOT ALREADY.
WE SHOULD DEMAND BETTER FROM THEM AND NOT MAKE EXCUSES FOR THEM WHEN THEY GET ARRESTED! WE ALL KNOW PASTORS ARE NOT PERFECT BUT BEATING ON A WOMAN IS FAR FROM PASTOR MATERIAL. (Once again you say beating on a woman...he didn't BEAT her, he hit her. Have you EVER seen a woman who has taken a REAL beating? It happens everyday and I haven't seen a posting on here about it before...NO NOT ONE!! I'm not saying he should get away scott free, I'm just saying MYOB!! He's obviously not your "Pastor", so why are you worried about it?)
HE DIDN'T BEAT HER , HE HIT HER. WOW! OBVIOUSLY HE'S YOUR PASTOR IF THATS YOUR ARGUMENT.
NOT TO MENTION THIS PARTICULAR "PASTOR" HAS A PAST THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT A SURPRISE. IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME.( God has already forgiven him of his past and they are covered by the blood, washed away. If God can forgive us, who are we to hold a grudge against each other.)
IF HE'S TRULY REPENTED I AGREE.
AS FOR THE CONGREGATION, ITS A CASE OF THE "BLIND LEADING THE BLIND". ( Guess what, it's not up to you to decide who is blind and who isn't. As I have stated before, we all have to answer to God, just let it go. He was ARRESTED, he is going through the same thing anyone else would if they were arrested for hitting
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GRANNY GOOSE, YOU SOUND LIKE A VERY NICE WOMAN BUT MAYBE TOO NICE.
Thankyou.
I DONT THINK MY COMMENTS ARE TO HARSH WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE POSITION IN QUESTION AND THE ACTIONS COMMITED.
They seem harsh to me, like I said, pastors are humsn.
AS FOR NOT KNOWING ANY DETAILS, THERES NOT MUCH THAT NEEDS TO BE KNOWN....IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN!! IT DOESN'T MATTER IF SHE'S THE WORST OF THE WORST, WALK AWAY AND AVOID A SITUATION.
I disagree, the details really do need to be known I never make a judgement until I know the two sides. There are 2 sides to every story.
PEOPLE ARE WAY TOO SYMPATHETIC TOWARDS THEIR PASTORS WHEN THEY FALTER. WE SHOULD DEMAND BETTER FROM THEM AND NOT MAKE EXCUSES FOR THEM WHEN THEY GET ARRESTED!
Like I said to you, this is really harsh, People are human they are going to make mistakes, if they hold themselves accountable, learn and grow then imo, it happened for a reason.
WE ALL KNOW PASTORS ARE NOT PERFECT BUT BEATING ON A WOMAN IS FAR FROM PASTOR MATERIAL.
Beating on a woman? Do you know fact, he literally beat her? Assult has many colors. This is how rumor's start. This is why we need to know the detail's. Do we know why he assulted her? Maybe he was defending himself.
I'M SURPRISED THE ABUSED WOMEN HAVENT MADE IT AN ISSUE YET.
Probably cuz the fact's, the details the reality of the assult has not been introduced to the public!
NOT TO MENTION THIS PARTICULAR "PASTOR" HAS A PAST THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT A SURPRISE.
A past, okay now I know why you are reacting the way you are, the past is the past.
IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME. AS FOR THE CONGREGATION, ITS A CASE OF THE "BLIND LEADING THE BLIND".
A matter of time for what? Iam sure that God will provide and care for this pastor and his congregation.
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WHAT?! wrote: A PASTOR IS SOMEONE WHO IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE SELF-CONTROL AND SET AN EXAMPLE FOR THE REST OF THE FLOCK. HOW CAN YOU PREACH ONE THING ON SUNDAY AND NOT HAVE THE SELF-CONTROL TO FOLLOW WHAT YOU PREACH IN YOUR OWN LIFE? HAVING THIS MAN BEHAVE IN THIS MANNER HAS MADE A MOCKERY OF HIS CHURCH AND HIS FAMILY. IF HE HAD ANY REMORSE HE WOULD APOLOGIZE TO THE PUBLIC AND STEP DOWN FROM HIS POSITION UNTIL HE CAN PRACTICE WHAT HE PREACHES. JUST BECAUSE HE IS A PASTOR DOES NOT MEAN GOD MADE HIM A PASTOR. IF YOU RECALL THE BIBLE STATES THAT IN THE FINAL DAYS " WOLVES WOULD COME DRESSED IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING" AND WE CAN SEE THAT IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. WHEN ANOTHER LOCAL YOUTH PASTOR GOT ARRESTED NOT LONG AGO FOR HAVING RELATIONS WITH YOUNG TEENAGE GIRLS, I'M SURE GOD DID NOT MAKE THE MISTAKE OF PUTTING HIM IN THAT POSITION. THE CHURCH AS HUMANS MADE THE MISTAKE OF PUTTING HIM IN THAT POSITION. AS FOR THE CHURCH MEMBERS, ALL THEY HAVE TO KNOW IS THAT IF HE DOESN'T SHOW "REMORSE" THE TIDES DRY UP AND HE LOSES EVERYTHING. IT'S THEIR JOB TO FIGURE OUT IF HE'S REALLY SORRY OR IF IT'S JUST BUSINESS! BY THE WAY THIS PARAGRAPH IS IN RESPONSE TO A FEW OF THE MESSAGES POSTED.
You know what,WHAT, nobody is perfect even the Bible tell you that. however ,I think you think you are ,people err everyday ,People get mad ,even Jesus ,so you need to drop your holier than thou attitude and no I'm not associated with that church or know the pastor ,but I know he is just a man and myself I don't hold anyone higher than another .He must face a judge and jury in the courts and also he will be dealt with by his congregation.But he won't be stoned in the street like you would want him to be ,if you want to determine his fate in the church join it, Oh and by the way your cap lock is on ,Have a blessed day .Firefly
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WHAT?! wrote: GRANNY GOOSE, YOU SOUND LIKE A VERY NICE WOMAN BUT MAYBE TOO NICE. I DONT THINK MY COMMENTS ARE TO HARSH WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE POSITION IN QUESTION AND THE ACTIONS COMMITED. AS FOR NOT KNOWING ANY DETAILS, THERES NOT MUCH THAT NEEDS TO BE KNOWN....IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN!!( This is one thing I agree with you on, It shouln't happen and there is no excuse. He is a Pastor and there is a higher standard. However, who decides what that standard is, you?? I don't think so. He is a person, he is not God.) IT DOESN'T MATTER IF SHE'S THE WORST OF THE WORST, WALK AWAY AND AVOID A SITUATION. PEOPLE ARE WAY TOO SYMPATHETIC TOWARDS THEIR PASTORS WHEN THEY FALTER.(Have you any idea the pressure a Pastor is under? Obviously not or you wouldn't say something so ignorant. Pastors are PEOPLE just like us.) WE SHOULD DEMAND BETTER FROM THEM AND NOT MAKE EXCUSES FOR THEM WHEN THEY GET ARRESTED! WE ALL KNOW PASTORS ARE NOT PERFECT BUT BEATING ON A WOMAN IS FAR FROM PASTOR MATERIAL. (Once again you say beating on a woman...he didn't BEAT her, he hit her. Have you EVER seen a woman who has taken a REAL beating? It happens everyday and I haven't seen a posting on here about it before...NO NOT ONE!! I'm not saying he should get away scott free, I'm just saying MYOB!! He's obviously not your "Pastor", so why are you worried about it?) NOT TO MENTION THIS PARTICULAR "PASTOR" HAS A PAST THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT A SURPRISE. IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME.( God has already forgiven him of his past and they are covered by the blood, washed away. If God can forgive us, who are we to hold a grudge against each other.) AS FOR THE CONGREGATION, ITS A CASE OF THE "BLIND LEADING THE BLIND". ( Guess what, it's not up to you to decide who is blind and who isn't. As I have stated before, we all have to answer to God, just let it go. He was ARRESTED, he is going through the same thing anyone else would if they were arrested for hitting someone. What? Do you want him crucified?? He is NOT JESUS!! Once again, MYOB!!)
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| GRANNY GOOSE, YOU SOUND LIKE A VERY NICE WOMAN BUT MAYBE TOO NICE. I DONT THINK MY COMMENTS ARE TO HARSH WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE POSITION IN QUESTION AND THE ACTIONS COMMITED. AS FOR NOT KNOWING ANY DETAILS, THERES NOT MUCH THAT NEEDS TO BE KNOWN....IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN!! IT DOESN'T MATTER IF SHE'S THE WORST OF THE WORST, WALK AWAY AND AVOID A SITUATION. PEOPLE ARE WAY TOO SYMPATHETIC TOWARDS THEIR PASTORS WHEN THEY FALTER. WE SHOULD DEMAND BETTER FROM THEM AND NOT MAKE EXCUSES FOR THEM WHEN THEY GET ARRESTED! WE ALL KNOW PASTORS ARE NOT PERFECT BUT BEATING ON A WOMAN IS FAR FROM PASTOR MATERIAL. I'M SURPRISED THE ABUSED WOMEN HAVENT MADE IT AN ISSUE YET. NOT TO MENTION THIS PARTICULAR "PASTOR" HAS A PAST THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT A SURPRISE. IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME. AS FOR THE CONGREGATION, ITS A CASE OF THE "BLIND LEADING THE BLIND". Last edited on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 01:22 pm by WHAT?!
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"IF HE HAD ANY REMORSE HE WOULD APOLOGIZE TO THE PUBLIC"
I agree with this, for the rest of your views, they are pretty harsh, pastor's are human, they are not God, we do not know the details of why it happened or how it happened.
I am praying for him and his family, it seem's his congregation has pulled together to support him.
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urallposers wrote: I am not saying that when someone is abused or mistreated that everyone should turn their heads. I am not saying that when these things occur that those abusers should not be punished. However, what I am saying is that as long as the law is taking care of this, why is it our business to talk about them and smear their business all over town? It is not. Another thing I am saying is that this happened once, not over and over everyday. Look around this town alone, how many women and children are abused daily....emotionally, physically, financially, sexually, and these people do it EVERYDAY. I think we should spend more time worrying about the people who are doing this everyday, not being noticed and less worrying about those who are paying the price, have families to worry about and who are productive members of society.
I will say this again, this happened ONCE and he was nailed to the wall. Granted, he was wrong and he was arrested, great job....FINALLY, to the HCSO. However, this happens everywhere, everyday and we are so busy worrying about the pastor who did it ONCE, that we forget to look around at those who are abused EVERYDAY, and advocate for someone so that they can be free from this.
People see abuse everyday and turn their heads. How would you feel if you were one of the people on this forum asking questions and stirring this pot of crud, while the neighbor you see everyday that has the yelling, screaming boyfriend turned up the next day in the newspaper dead. People are so ready to crucify the pastor for the first mistake he makes, but they will turn their heads to the bruises on the face of the person they see walking down their street EVERYDAY. This MAN is not perfect, however, he is not a criminal, he made a mistake. I promise you one thing, if he is the man of God that he says he is, he is spending a massive amount of time on his knees and in his bible and he will never make this mistake again. This is a lesson I am sure he has learned on the first time around. I am also convinced that he is having to go to court and do everything that everyone else has to do in a case like this one. I am sorry if you all think I am critical of those who just want to be in the middle of everything but, God has forgiven him already, if he has asked and been sincere about it. This is between him, his sister, & God. Who are we to judge?
Lastly, everyone seems to want his name on the front page of the newspaper, no one knows why the Caloosa Bell didn't print this. What I do know and have stated twice already is that you can ask to have your name with held from the arrest reports so that it is not published. They aren't protecting anyone, it is your right.
I totally understand your point of view. It makes a lot of sense. well said.
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I am not saying that when someone is abused or mistreated that everyone should turn their heads. I am not saying that when these things occur that those abusers should not be punished. However, what I am saying is that as long as the law is taking care of this, why is it our business to talk about them and smear their business all over town? It is not. Another thing I am saying is that this happened once, not over and over everyday. Look around this town alone, how many women and children are abused daily....emotionally, physically, financially, sexually, and these people do it EVERYDAY. I think we should spend more time worrying about the people who are doing this everyday, not being noticed and less worrying about those who are paying the price, have families to worry about and who are productive members of society.
I will say this again, this happened ONCE and he was nailed to the wall. Granted, he was wrong and he was arrested, great job....FINALLY, to the HCSO. However, this happens everywhere, everyday and we are so busy worrying about the pastor who did it ONCE, that we forget to look around at those who are abused EVERYDAY, and advocate for someone so that they can be free from this.
People see abuse everyday and turn their heads. How would you feel if you were one of the people on this forum asking questions and stirring this pot of crud, while the neighbor you see everyday that has the yelling, screaming boyfriend turned up the next day in the newspaper dead. People are so ready to crucify the pastor for the first mistake he makes, but they will turn their heads to the bruises on the face of the person they see walking down their street EVERYDAY. This MAN is not perfect, however, he is not a criminal, he made a mistake. I promise you one thing, if he is the man of God that he says he is, he is spending a massive amount of time on his knees and in his bible and he will never make this mistake again. This is a lesson I am sure he has learned on the first time around. I am also convinced that he is having to go to court and do everything that everyone else has to do in a case like this one. I am sorry if you all think I am critical of those who just want to be in the middle of everything but, God has forgiven him already, if he has asked and been sincere about it. This is between him, his sister, & God. Who are we to judge?
Lastly, everyone seems to want his name on the front page of the newspaper, no one knows why the Caloosa Bell didn't print this. What I do know and have stated twice already is that you can ask to have your name with held from the arrest reports so that it is not published. They aren't protecting anyone, it is your right.
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I want to try to understand what you are saying urall. If I knew that my neighbor was abusing someone, a sister, a spouse, etc., if he/she wasn't a public servant then it would be none of my business?
If that is your stance, then I disagree. We are all members of this community and if someone was caught abusing someone else, I'd want to know about it. That, it seems to me, would be a big incentive not to behave in that way since I would be shamed before all of the members of my community. I agree that it is up to this person's congregation, and only their congregation, to decide whether they want him/her to continue being their pastor but as a member of this community, it is important we all know who is and is not behaving appropriately so that we can keep each other in check. That us something that is sorely lacking on the coasts and in the big cities because people don't know each other there and so people are free to behave inappropriately and not suffer the consequences.
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Sorry about the short reply before, I had a meeting to get to.....the rest of that response would've been as follows.
Barak Obama is the president of the United States, he is a public servant, he as well as all the other elected officials have the duty to be upstanding citizens in the community and before ALL people. They too have to answer to God in the end, but they were put in the place they are by the people, therefore their behavior IS our business. We can leave the country if we don't like it but how feasible is that? We put them there and we can get rid of them. We did not make this man a preacher, God did and God doesn't make mistakes....we do, so if God put him there, only God can put him out. This pastor stood up in front of the church and spoke with the congregation about this. If they wanted him to leave, they could deal with that. Obviously, they realize that he is human just like you and me.
The point is, why do we think this man should be publicly humiliated, why is everyone so adiment about having his name smeared across the headlines? As I said before, women are beaten and abused every minute of every day and you don't read about it EVERY time it happens and it isn't on the news EVERY time it occurs. Get over it and join another witch hunt.
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urallposers wrote: YOU CAN ASK NOT TO HAVE YOUR INFO PRINTED IN THE PAPER.
True, I find that to be a problem.
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| YOU CAN ASK NOT TO HAVE YOUR INFO PRINTED IN THE PAPER. Oh, and Barak Obama is the president, not a pastor, there's the difference.
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Rocket Man wrote: I heard through a credible source that a local pastor in town was recently arrested for Assault. The report should have been in last weeks arrest reports in the Caloosa Belle. Any idea why we haven't heard about it publicly?
To be frank, it is really none of my business. The reason it has not been heard publicly is because they are protecting the pastor and the victim. Not such a good thing.
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imlusingit wrote: I'm not getting the sense that anyone is being dragged through the mud here. We live in a small town and like it or not, word gets around. This is one of our towns strengths, compared to the big city. We can hold members of our community accountable for their actions.
Take a step back and consider whether your opinion on this matter (that this is a personal private matter or that everyone should be treated similarly, etc.) would change if this had been... Alex Rodriguez, Newt Gingrich, Barack Obama, or Rush Limbaugh? If so, good for you, if not, watch out for hypocrisy, it is unjust.
I agree with everything but "word gets around and it is one of our towns strengths.
In my opinion, it is a huge negative, many times the word spreading is not the facts or the truth. The rumor control here is not a positive.
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Mrs. Mom, you wrote..If It is who i think it is and i know his sister, I totally understand why he did what he did. There is NO EXCUSE!!
i never stated there is a excuse, what I said was I understand will add I am sympathetic.
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I'm not getting the sense that anyone is being dragged through the mud here. We live in a small town and like it or not, word gets around. This is one of our towns strengths, compared to the big city. We can hold members of our community accountable for their actions.
Take a step back and consider whether your opinion on this matter (that this is a personal private matter or that everyone should be treated similarly, etc.) would change if this had been... Alex Rodriguez, Newt Gingrich, Barack Obama, or Rush Limbaugh? If so, good for you, if not, watch out for hypocrisy, it is unjust.
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Here's the thing, people seem to be so concerned with this situation when it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!! Here's the other thing, those who meddle, HAVE NO LIVES!!!
I am not a member of the church he pastors. I am a member of God's church though. It doesn't matter if you are a member of the church he pastors another church or no church at all, right is right and wrong is wrong. The thing about it is, he is doing the best he can with what he has going on, I am sure he understands the seriousness of the issue. For those who don't believe in God, this might not have as much of an effect as it does on him. He is a leader of the church. He is responsible for EVERYTHING he does. He has to answer to GOD, not you or me. Leave it alone.
You are right about one thing, THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR HITTING HER!! However, NEWSFLASH everyday women are abused by their family members, husbands.....whatever, you don't read about it EVERY time it happens. It is not on the news EVERY time it occurs. You people are out for blood. Leave them alone and let them deal with this in a personal manner, just like you would want someone to do for you and your family in a time like this.
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| Mr. B said.. doesn't deserve to be treated like a common criminal... what determines a common criminal verses a uncommon criminal
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Rocket Man, I am not saying he should be treated any different than anyone else arrested. A crime is a crime no matter who is involved.
Mrs. Mom, you wrote..If It is who i think it is and i know his sister, I totally understand why he did what he did. There is NO EXCUSE!!
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Rocket Man wrote:
I did learn something here though. I sure didn't know that you could keep your name out of the arrest reports just by making a simple call to the Caloosa Belle.
You are 100% correct and I find that disturbing. Like i stated below i know a person who was arrested for sexually abusing his daughter is in jail now and they kept that out of the paper, to protect the abuser...what about his victim, what about the parents and children in our communtiy do we not have the right to know?? sad really and imo the backwards way's of Labelle.
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Excuse me Mr, B he broke the law, I have no ill will towards him, It is really none of my buisness, I realize we all make mistake, pastors are human and he and his family and his church are in my prayers...If It is who i think it is and i know his sister, I totally understand why he did what he did, however, the point is, he has to be held accountable for his actions, period! Iam sympathetic to his situation.
If anything this will make his church come closer together, imo! It may even create more memebership if he deals with this correctly.
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O.K. you guys had me feeling bad about my question that I posted....That is until it was said that he should not be treated like a common criminal. Didn't a couple of you say that everyone makes mistakes? If that is so, then why shouldn't he be treated like every other common criminal.
I did learn something here though. I sure didn't know that you could keep your name out of the arrest reports just by making a simple call to the Caloosa Belle. I am sure that is so that you can keep your self separated from those common criminals. Maybe there should be a poster up at the jail with a listing of the Caloosa Belle's telephone number, so that EVERYONE can make that same call.
Yes, I agree that we should pray for him and his family. But, let's not forget that he is no better than those common criminals!
Wow, I guess Mr. B's comment must have hit a nerve with me just as I hit a nerve with him.
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He is not the only person to make a mistake. People tend to see a pastor as someone who has all the answers. They put them on a pedestal and that's just not the case. I don't care if you profess to be a man of God or Joe the plumber. We are all human. The sad thing is that the good is overlooked but let him slip and all of a sudden news worthy I do not attend his church but will keep them in my prayers.Last edited on Thu Jun 18th, 2009 06:16 pm by KuntryGurl
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| Stuff happens .I don't care what or who you are.Being a minister doesn't make you perfect,.Remember he is not Jesus,he is a minister with the same problems just like you and I.He need your prayers just like everyone else.
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Do you know what I find interesting about this thread? It doesn't amtter which Pastor this is involving, this is going to be something he has to live with forever and no one is going to cut him or his family any slack. However, if he had done something great, which he and his family as well as their church have done, no one would notice it or even give it a second glance. It wouldn't be published in the news paper or strung out in a thread online, and we wouldn't have people trying to spread that "gossip" around, no matter if it was their business or not.
Why do we smear peoples business all over the place instead of minding our own? Why don't you find a place and pray about this situation, for him and for his family? Why do we find it necessary to think of them as someone who can't make mistakes, when a Pastor is a person just like everyone else?
Don't get me wrong, I understand that he is in a position of leadership, but he also has a family and these things are personal. From what I understand, he has gone before his congregation and spoken with them about this. He has not tried to hide it from them and is being very open with them about it.
This is not our business. He has to answer to God, not anyone else. Goodness, just to think that he now has to answer to God for what he has done, that should be enough. He has ruined his character with those who know the whole situation. It is going to take a long time, if ever for him to regain the trust and respect that he had before. In an instant, everything changed for him. How awful would that be?
There are many arrests that go unpublished in the newspaper. If they published all of them, it would take up the majority of the paper. By the way, if you are arrested you can call the Caloosa Belle and request that your name not be published.
So, next time we think of this Pastor, his family and his church.....let's pray for them and hope that everything turns out well. Instead of talking trash and trying to be in the middle of something when we have no business being there.
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| I heard the pastor was arrested for assault on his sister. I also heard that a former female deputy was arrested for embezzlement from the sheriff office and have not heard another word about that. I think if you are involved in criminal activity and a friend of certain people at the local paper you will never see your crime in print.
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firefly re-read what i said...I never claimed the pastor was arrested for CHILD abuse, I said I know iof somone who was arrested for child abuse and it was never put in the paper...By putting words in one mouth that is how bull**** gets started. Dont assume.
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mrs.mom wrote: Rocket Man wrote: I heard through a credible source that a local pastor in town was recently arrested for Assault. The report should have been in last weeks arrest reports in the Caloosa Belle. Any idea why we haven't heard about it publicly?
No I have not heard anything,
Iam sure, if it is true, they will protect the pastor and not put it in the paper. A person, I know was arrested for child abuse, they did not put that in the paper. IMO (scary) who would protect a child molester?
They said arrested for assault not child abuse or molestation ,re read, I think if it's true then you need to wait and hear the facts ,this is how bulls**t gets started,,,,,,,,Firefly
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| It is my understanding that it was his sister that he assaulted. I believe he pastors at the church that was next to the Pizza Place in town. I don't know where they are now.
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| My source is also credible but true. It was for assault on a family member. Last edited on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 01:32 pm by Miss Kitty
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| Who is the pastor? Who did he assault? Could he be falsely accused?
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Rocket Man wrote: I heard through a credible source that a local pastor in town was recently arrested for Assault. The report should have been in last weeks arrest reports in the Caloosa Belle. Any idea why we haven't heard about it publicly?
No I have not heard anything,
Iam sure, if it is true, they will protect the pastor and not put it in the paper. A person, I know was arrested for child abuse, they did not put that in the paper. IMO (scary) who would protect a child molester?
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