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OMGOSH, That was very well said....nicely done. Last edited on Thu Jul 23rd, 2009 05:00 pm by JDL1980
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I have not posted anything here in a long time......I see nothing has changed. This Jesus debate " a subject near to my heart" Is very funny..... Well for me it is. Some believe, some don't. Those of us that do know that eternity is another word for a very long time. Now if you believe that there is no heaven or hell then you must also believe your gonna spend eternity.....ugh well, nowhere. And if your wrong, well is your face gonna be red. Because if you are wrong then one of the other two choices must apply. Remember that eternity part. And if I am wrong, and I am not. But for the sake of argument say I am, I will be niether in paradise or hell, but like you nowhere. I have one chance in three of being wrong, and spending eternity there. You on the other hand have a 100 % chance of spending eternity either nowhere or in hell. And by doubting Jesus you also have a 100 % chance of never, ever seing heaven. I believe I'll take my chances of being right and suffer eternity in heaven. Eternity is an awful long time to find out you would rather be stuborn and in hell or nowhere, then admit your wrong and accept the obvious. And if I am wrong!!!!!! Eternity in nowhere is my other option. Those of you who doubt the Lord, Have no other options...... And for that, I feel sorry for you.
No need to comment about my opinion, my grammer or my spelling, because you see the scriptures tell us only a fool doubts God. And I may be a fool in this world, but the next world is the one I work for. And I've been around LaBelle long enough to know that if I stood on a corner passing out hundred dollar bills, someone would form a group to put a stop to it. Very likely by adopting a new law via the town council.
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I took myself out of this discussion and just amuzed myself by reading the posts as they came in, however it seems that a couple of you are just dying for a response from me. Oh, by the way....This is my new name...it was urallposers...I said that earlier but I guess some of you missed that.
For those of you who believe you can just live any way you choose and when you die, God is going to say..."Come one come all"...I have said it before and I will say it again.
What if you are wrong??
I have heard an old saying that makes a lot of sense....
"It's better to be safe than sorry"
To the post about there being no proof that Jesus ever walked the Earth.... You should educate yourself on scientific discoreries a little better. There have been many findings that PROVE the Bible to be true and correct.
To the post about Zues.... I don't believe Zues is real, because there is no proof....refer back to the previous sentence.
Just need to add one more thing for you to attack, I asked the question previously and never got a response. So, I will ask again through different wording....Who are these experts who say that they know so much? I mean, really? Aren't they just people like us? Why do they get so much credit? Why do people listen to thier opinions about how people are born and what they are born with? When did they create people? They would have to create the dust first, then create the people...THAT's NOT HAPPENING!! I think we all need to take a step back and re-evaluate who we are listening to and who we are following.
Remember, you think you can live how ever you want, but:
What if you're wrong?"
...Jesus is coming soon!! I hope we are all ready on that glorious day!!
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| BLASPHEMY!! YOU CAN TWIST ANY WAY YOU WANT BUT RIGHT IS RIGHT AND WRONG IS WRONG. HOMOPHOBES ARE NOT THE PROBLEM, GAYS ARE.
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| BLASPHEMY!! YOU CAN TWIST ANY WAY YOU WANT BUT RIGHT IS RIGHT AND WRONG IS WRONG. HOMOPHOBES ARE NOT THE PROBLEM, GAYS ARE.
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| Ok back to the topic Jamie Foxx .If he is a comedian lets hear him for a change cut on the blacks for a while.Then we can all laugh ,because remember he is a comedian.
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| Oh see ,you can have an opinion about everyone. But I cant have an opinion.If you put it out there this is open to the forum.If you have personal stuff to talk about and don't want anyone to comment .Do it on your e-mail.This is a forum.So that means if you talk about personal stuff we can jump in understand.Stick to the post.
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sistersuzysback wrote: Thanks granny and Mrs. mom. I have contacted the moderator just to let them know what's up, no complaining on my part yet, she was compasionate,when you actually contact the moderator it is only by email You do not talk with a person. PLUS, my bil work's for the sheriff's dept, he is watching out for me!  I have to LOL though, at the OBVIOUS back wood, redneck, inbred mentality of these two posters. Jealousy will eat you ALIVE!  ROTFLOL!
Once again use email for personal comments.
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but not for long...
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granny goose wrote: mrs.mom wrote: sistersuzysback wrote: Boy "wise up" you are obsessed with me!! Your still talking about me. SCARY! eekkk!
Are you serious? I think you may have stalkers. That is freaky be careful. I would notify the the moderator, if you do not Iam. Just let them know what is going and PLEASE by all means if you are going to post here, block em.
Ya know, I wanted to bring up the stalker issue awhile ago, the obsessive behavior is very concerning. You may want to contact the sheriff's dept, if it continues.
The three names you use are obvious and I will no longer feed you. You don't even stay on the topic.
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"One thing that serial killers, child molesters, and Hitler have in common is an obsession with power and control, research that, I picked it up in a freshman year college psychology course, one does have to acknowledge though that it sounds a lot like organized religion doesn’t it?"
Yes, it sounds very much like organized religion. Excellent point, obsession with power and control.
"The issues around homosexual rights and their movement in the modern day are based in life, love, and equality."
Yes, that is exactly what it is about equal right's. It is mind blowing to me how these so called "christians" actually see that their preaching about others sin is not sin in itself, that their behavior is not sin in itself. God loves us all equally, no matter what our sin.
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mrs.mom wrote: sistersuzysback wrote: Boy "wise up" you are obsessed with me!! Your still talking about me. SCARY! eekkk!
Are you serious? I think you may have stalkers. That is freaky be careful. I would notify the the moderator, if you do not Iam. Just let them know what is going and PLEASE by all means if you are going to post here, block em.
Ya know, I wanted to bring up the stalker issue awhile ago, the obsessive behavior is very concerning. You may want to contact the sheriff's dept, if it continues.Last edited on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 05:07 pm by granny goose
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"Now, on to this other matter of "homosexuals are going to hell for just being" business...Mother goose, it is not often that i happen upon people of older generations with the openness on this topic that you posess, I admire, commend, and in about an hour have come to love you, muah! "
Thankyou, that was very kind.
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mrs.mom wrote: sistersuzysback wrote: Boy "wise up" you are obsessed with me!! Your still talking about me. SCARY! eekkk!
Are you serious? I think you may have stalkers. That is freaky be careful. I would notify the the moderator, if you do not Iam. Just let them know what is going and PLEASE by all means if you are going to post here, block em.
LOL I don't know why YOU can't stay on what the post is about. Instead of wanting to start an argument.
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sistersuzysback wrote: Boy "wise up" you are obsessed with me!! Your still talking about me. SCARY! eekkk!
Are you serious? I think you may have stalkers. That is freaky be careful. I would notify the the moderator, if you do not Iam. Just let them know what is going and PLEASE by all means if you are going to post here, block em. Last edited on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 04:51 am by mrs.mom
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| Got to go ,talked to ya tomorrow.Remember don't drink the kool-aid.You see what happens when you do.You see rainbows.
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Miss Kitty wrote: Wise Up wrote: Miss Kitty wrote: lol Wise Up they must have drank the Kool -Aid .
You mean suzy. Yep
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Wise Up wrote: Miss Kitty wrote: lol Wise Up they must have drank the Kool -Aid .
You mean suzy. Yep
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Miss Kitty wrote: lol Wise Up they must have drank the Kool -Aid .
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| lol Wise Up they must have drank the Kool -Aid .
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sistersuzysback wrote: maxchandler wrote: "This was sheer genius, had to bump it up!"
It was pretty awesome, Max. I was reading it and then clicked on the bottom, a lot more interesting things to think about. My God is INCREDIBLE!
Is Homosexuality a Sin?
 We love God, and don’t want our lives to be controlled by bad habits and self centered attitudes that can harm our relationship with Him and with others. The plain truth is that sin separates us from God ([url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#2 Corinthians 6:14]2 Corinthians 6:14[/url]; [url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#1 John 1:5-7]1 John 1:5-7[/url]) and we don’t want to be separated from God! We want to grow closer to Him and become more like His Son with each passing day!
But what exactly is sin? If we took a poll of every church and denomination out there, we would find a different opinion from every one of them! Everybody seems to have their own idea as to what is right and what is wrong! So if we wanted to rid sin from our lives, where would we start and whose list should we follow?
Perhaps we should take a different approach and forget what everyone else thinks and go right to the source, the Bible itself. What then? Could we find God’s will by cataloging every sin mentioned in the Bible? If so, how do we handle edicts that seem to change over time? If you thumb through the Bible you will find that such things as marriage, personnel hygiene, dietary laws, and diplomatic relationships with neighboring nations all have changed over the years. So what is right for our culture and the day and age in which we live?
More importantly, what would we do with such a list once we had compiled it? Paul told us over and over again that trying to live our lives by a long list of do’s and don’ts was a lost cause. Why? Because no one is good enough to follow such a list day in and day out! Furthermore, Paul said such attempts would only bring heartache and failure for no one except Jesus Christ Himself is capable of living a perfect life ([url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#Romans 3:10-24]Romans 3:10-23[/url]; [url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#2 Corinthians 5:21]2 Corinthians 5:21[/url]; [url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#1 Peter 2:22]1 Peter 2:22[/url], [url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#1 John 3:5]1 John 3:5[/url])! Worse yet, if we attempt to earn our righteousness through ‘good deeds,’ we are in fact rejecting the very work that Christ did for us on the cross ([url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#Galatians 2:19-3:21]Galatians 2:19-3:21[/url], [url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#Galatians 5:1-6]5:1-6[/url])!
So is trying to do ‘the right thing’ a lost cause? Have we come full circle? Yes and no. First and foremost, we must settle in our hearts and minds that our salvation only comes through Jesus Christ and none other. We cannot earn our way to heaven. However that doesn’t change the fact that we still want to please God and find His will for our lives. So how do we do that?
This question used to perplex me until a friends question and the prompting of the Holy Spirit had me researching everything I could concerning God's love. During that search, I ran across a Scripture that changed my life forever. For in it we find the very heart and soul of God's will. If you study the issue further, you will find that this same “royal” commandment ([url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#James 2:8]James 2:8[/url]) lies at the heart of both the Old Covenant (old covenant = [url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#Matthew 22:34-40]Matthew 22:37-40[/url]) and the New Covenant (new covenant = [url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#John 13:34-35]John 13:34[/url]). God has never changed ([url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#Malachi 3:6]Malachi 3:6[/url]; [url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#Hebrews 13:8]Hebrews 13:8[/url]; [url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#1 John 4:8]1 John 4:8[/url], [url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#1 John 4:18]16[/url]), only His instructions on how we should carry out His will have.
Why is this so? Because we have changed over time and the cultures we live in are different from one another. We don’t face the same problems the early Patriarchs faced. Nor were the Apostles encumbered with some of the things we have to deal with today. Each generation and each culture is different. What may be a loving act in one culture may be cause for war in another! In spite of our differences, we are all given the same basic principle to carry out in our lives. That being that we are to...
Matthew 22:37-40 (NIV)
"Love the Lord God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Matthew 22:40 (Amplified)
“These two commandments sum up and upon them depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
Simply put, we are to love God first, and then we are to love others, as we love ourselves. If we embrace and follow this belief, we are following God’s will for our lives and we are not living in sin. The Apostle Paul put it this way:
Galatians 5:14 (Amplified)
“For the whole law [concerning human relationships] is complied with in one precept. You shall love your neighbor as [you do] yourself.”
[url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#Romans 13:8-11]Romans 13:8-10[/url] (NIV)
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Therefore sin is simply this: if I do not love God and put Him first in my life, this is a sin. If I mistreat others or myself spiritually, emotionally or physically, it is a sin. Love is the basis for all of God’s laws, old and new. Sin is the absence or distortion of this love.
So is homosexuality a sin? “It depends” is my answer. The question is no longer ‘gay’ or ‘straight’ but an issue of love in the relationship. First and foremost, is this relationship encouraging both partners’ spiritual growth and relationship with God?” And second, is this a relationship loving and healthy for both parties? God is not concerned with the superficial things that worry us. He does not care what our sexual orientation, gender, skin color, or church affiliation is. These things have no meaning to God. He goes straight to the heart of the matter and simply asks the question, “Is this relationship based on, and operating in, My love or not?”
Note: Don't end your search here though. What does Scripture have to say about this issue? If your short on time you can click here to go directly to the "clobber" passages interpreted by many in the church to condemn homosexuality. Do they? If you have the time though I encourage you to read the entire article series from start to finish starting first with the introduction. Want to know even more? I strongly recommend Rev. Sundby's book "Calling the Rainbow Nation Home."
I'm sorry you keep feeling the need to talk to yourself. If you weren't so negative and argumentative I think someone else would comment back to you. I feel sorry for you if you need a friend to talk to let me know.
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Miss Kitty wrote: Its funny her and her friends are never on at the same time. lol
I know she thinks she has everyone fooled. Its sad she's that way.  Wish we could do something to help her so she wasn't such a negative person.Last edited on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 03:43 am by Wise Up
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| Its funny her and her friends are never on at the same time. lol
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sistersuzysback wrote: "wise up say's"---Suzy what is keeping you here ?
I just got here, was sent a e-mail that you and your alter ego miss kitty are still carrying on about me. That is really, really disturbing. Get a life. What is keeping you here since everyone seem's to ignore you both. I think I will take their advice and BLOCK you.
Sorry, I cannot hear you. lol.
LOL you never left. AKA max chandler LOL and you know the rest. Anyway like miss kitty said remember the post. You still never answered my question. How is max and chandler ? ROFLLast edited on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 03:38 am by Wise Up
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KuntryGurl wrote: Once again Foxx showed his racist side. He was mc of the BET awards last night. They did a tribute to M.Jackson. He remarked that Jackson was one of them cause he was black and the white people could just borrow him. That was not good enough he had to repeat his thoughts again. I know M.J. was controversial but everyone has to give credit where credit is due. He was a phenomenal singer and dancer. I guess Foxx ignores the fact that M.J. was married twice and both times married white women. Oh and by the way all three children look white. Not to mention his skin color was whiter than most Caucasian people I know. If a white person had make these remarks they would be on CNN and dragged through the media till they apologized.
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This was sheer genius, had to bump it up!
Are Homosexuals Condemned to Hell?
 Are all homosexuals destined for hell? Does ones sexual orientation, in and of itself, condemn one to a life apart from Christ? Surprising as it may seem there are many within the Christian community that believe this to be true. Go to any major "gay pride" event and you will see protestors with signs saying such things as "Fags are going to Hell!" So who is right? Are 'we' condemned to Hell because of our sexual orientation? Or are these poor people so wrapped up in their fear that they would attack the very Body of Christ (Matthew 25:40)?
When I was "coming out," most in the church believed that homosexuals were condemned to Hell. Because of this, I too struggled with this concept and wondered if my very salvation was in peril. After all, I had no one else telling me anything different. My heart was telling me that God loved me 'just as I am' yet the Church was telling me something entirely different. Which was right?
Not wanting to lose my salvation over my sexual orientation, I started my journey here to find God's truth and will for my life. Aware that my own biases would probably cloud my judgment, I decided to start my search using the worst possible scenario. That being the premise that the "anti-gay" contingent was correct and that homosexuals were destined for Hell. If I could find any way to Scripturally back this premise, then I had determined in my mind that I would accept this as the truth. After all the weight of the Church stood behind this idea and I surely didn't want to risk my relationship with God. No matter the personal cost.
After much thought, I came up with only two possible scenarios that would support this notion. The first is that salvation is reserved for a select group of people, and that homosexuals are somehow excluded from this group. The second possibility is that homosexuality is such a terrible and perverse sin that salvation is beyond our grasp. On the flip side, if neither of ideas could stand up to Biblical scrutiny, then there is nothing left to support the notion that salvation hasn’t been extended to everyone - including the gay community!
Could salvation be reserved for a select group of people? It may seem surprising, but this is not a new idea. The early Christians believed that salvation was only offered to those of Jewish heritage and not to the Gentiles (non- Jews) who were seen as an unclean abomination ([url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#Acts 10:28]Acts 10:28[/url]). Thankfully, Paul and others wrote extensively on this issue and strongly refuted the notion that salvation is offered only to a select few.
John described best God's open invitation in John 3:16 when he wrote that “whosoever” (King James translation) believes in Jesus Christ will not perish. “Whosoever” does not exclude anyone, instead it includes everyone! Simply put, it does not matter if you gay or straight, black or white, male or female. What matters is whether you believe in Jesus Christ or not and have accepted Him as your Lord and Savior.
John 3:16 (NIV) "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
So if no one is excluded from God's invitation, that only leaves one scenario left. That being that homosexuality is such an evil and perverse sin that it cannot be forgiven. Of course we have to assume for a moment that homosexuality is a sin to explore this idea! But if true, could any sin be so terrible that Christ’s death is incapable of cleansing us from it?
If we accept this premise, the implications are immense, for it means that there is a limit to salvation’s cleansing power. If true, then Christ did not conquer sin, but rather that a single sin conquered Him! If sin conquered Christ, then satan, not Christ, still rules and we have lost the battle! Is there such a limit to the cleansing blood of Christ that was shed on the cross? No! ([url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#Romans 8:37-39]Romans 8:37-39[/url]; [url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#Matthew 28:18]Matthew 28:18[/url]) A thousand times no!
How do I know this to be true? I knew firstly because Paul said in Romans 8:1, “Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”. If there was a sin that could keep us from being saved, the text would have instead read, “Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus EXCEPT for the homosexuals”. It simply does not say that!
Secondly, I know because of my own personal experience. God has so dramatically changed me since the day I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior some twenty-five years ago. That to tell me God isn’t interested in homosexuals or that God doesn’t accept gay people is absurd! It’s too late to tell me such nonsense! Why? Because I’ve already experienced God’s miraculous touch and power ([url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#2 Corinthians 5:17-19]2 Corinthians 5:17-19[/url])! I’ve already felt God’s overpowering love sweep over me and through me. I've experienced first hand the gifts of the Spirit that Peter described as only come from God Himself ([url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#Acts 10:44-48]Acts 10:44-48[/url])! And finally, I’ve already witnessed the lengths He will go to save ‘others’ like me! Far from convincing me that God “hates gays” I am fully persuaded that God loves us, cherishes us and will go to any length to save us.
Has God ever asked me to change? YES! God has asked me to change LOADS of things about my life. But He has NEVER once asked me to leave my relationship or try and change my sexual orientation!
It’s clear that no one particular group of people has ever been excluded from salvation. Nor is any sin so great that it cannot be cleansed by the power of the blood of Jesus. Salvation has nothing to do with one’s sexual orientation, and everything to do with our acceptance or rejection of Jesus Christ. The anti-gay signs that scream out, “Fags are going to Hell!” should instead be asking us all one simple question. “Have you Accepted Jesus Christ?” For that is the only thing that matters concerning ones Salvation.
Note: Don't end your search here though. What does Scripture have to say about this issue? If your short on time you can click here to go directly to the "clobber" passages interpreted by many in the church to condemn homosexuality. Do they? Also highly recommended is the next article in the series titled "Is Homosexuality a Sin?" If you have the time though I encourage you to read the entire article series from start to finish starting first with the introduction. Want to know even more? I strongly recommend Rev. Sundby's book "Calling the Rainbow Nation Home."
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"I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you my dear are a prime example of the level of brainwashed ignorance that runs rampant in these parts. You claim to love two gay men that are a major part of your life, but you then condemn them for what your religion has taught you to be their sins. "
Very very well said, your voice is very important here.
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time-less_love_ina_love-less_time86 wrote: It is quite funny that I found this thread, as It was just today, while visiting our local cafe' that I came accross a religious post in last week's Clewiston News regarding same sex marriages. I was appalled wih the way this person put homosexuals on the same tier as child molestors, srial killers, and Hitler. Clewiston News Vol. 83 # 51 Date: June, 25th 2009 Pg. 23.
I found the views expressed to be very disturbing, this person said they believed that homosexuals were born that way in the same way they believed child molestors, serial killers, and Hitler were all born with these tendencies. I am deeply appalled by the fact that one could be so ignorant to compare the actions of child molesters, serial killers, and Adolf Hitler to the state of simply being homosexual. Child molesters, serial killers, and Hitler were not born abusers, killers, and a mass-murdering dictator, these tendencies surfaced as a result of outside influences. Homosexuals are however, born Homosexual. One thing that serial killers, child molesters, and Hitler have in common is an obsession with power and control, research that, I picked it up in a freshman year college psychology course, one does have to acknowledge though that it sounds a lot like organized religion doesn’t it? The issues around homosexual rights and their movement in the modern day are based in life, love, and equality. By getting married, rights to assets, doctor’s visits, health-plan benefits, and a vast array of other benefits and securities can be utilized by people that are as committed to their partners (if not more so) than many op-sex couples which take their rights as a married couple for granted.
OMG! It is very difficult for me to read these kind of things.
"this person said they believed that homosexuals were born that way in the same way they believed child molestors, serial killers, and Hitler were all born with these tendencies."
shaking my head.
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time-less_love_ina_love-less_time86 wrote: Wise Up wrote: mrs.mom wrote: time-less_love_ina_love-less_time86 wrote: Hello all, I've read this entire thread and see you all have really been duking it out on here. First off the Jamie Foxx topic...MJ was rumored to have a Skin condition known as Vitiligo:
[Vitiligo is a skin condition whose exact cause is unknown. In vitiligo, patches of skin lose their pigmentation when the pigment producing cells, the 'melanocytes' are attacked and destroyed.-]http://www.aocd.org/skin/dermatologic_diseases/vitiligo.html]
That being said, is it not plausible that MJ did the bleaching to balance out his complexion? We all know he had other obvious plastic surgeries, and an operation to keep him from losing his higher pitched voice when he hit puberty to protect the progress of his career. Is it not fathomable to think that he might have "became a white man" not out of dislike for his heritage but rather as a means of preserving an image of un-afflicted one-ness as a pop-star. I do not know the truth behind all of the issues surrounding him throughout history, but he was talented and many of his actions can be described as none other than bizarre.
A comedian making a satement in response to MJ's obviously altered appearance is no new thing, and attacking Foxx as being racist for making hob-knobbery over MJ's white appearance/black roots and the stances that people from different races will take in lieu of his death is like confrontations over people making fun of Bush's many vernacular flubs. (For example: nucular, etc.)
Now, on to this other matter of "homosexuals are going to hell for just being" business...Mother goose, it is not often that i happen upon people of older generations with the openness on this topic that you posess, I admire, commend, and in about an hour have come to love you, muah!
mrs.mom, I grew up here, so I'm smarting from the "most of them are in-bred" comment, but I do agree that the intelligence level amongst a great many these local yocals is a little scary and would lead a great many more to the conclusion of such being a result of inbreeding...lol.
Johnnie, i love the t-shirt, and I gotta find that book, in large quantities, and start chipping this rhinestone out of the bible belt.
HavAgr8Day, can you please contribute nothing to the conversation in your highschool-esque manner on another thread.
Love your screen name, welcome, and I agree with you on everything except im not sure that is why he bleached his skin, never heard of that, though, you may be right !! Thanks for some logical and mature feedback.
"mrs.mom, I grew up here, so I'm smarting from the "most of them are in-bred" comment, but I do agree that the intelligence level amongst a great many these local yocals is a little scary and would lead a great many more to the conclusion of such being a result of inbreeding...lol."
Sorry, but you did notice I said most, not all, I will correct myself and say some are inbred. It does seem to be a issue round these part's. teehee
Suzy what is keeping you here ?
She wants to be, what's keeping you here "Wise up"...... and Mrs.mom, no worries, many of those folks I mentioned leading to those conclusions are in my family, they're not inbred, but I can't come up with a viable explanation as to what went wrong...but no harm done, if you can't smile why breathe? . I like that saying if you cannot smile why breath  Last edited on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 02:43 am by maxchandler
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time-less_love_ina_love-less_time86 wrote: Wise Up wrote: mrs.mom wrote: time-less_love_ina_love-less_time86 wrote: Hello all, I've read this entire thread and see you all have really been duking it out on here. First off the Jamie Foxx topic...MJ was rumored to have a Skin condition known as Vitiligo:
[Vitiligo is a skin condition whose exact cause is unknown. In vitiligo, patches of skin lose their pigmentation when the pigment producing cells, the 'melanocytes' are attacked and destroyed.-]http://www.aocd.org/skin/dermatologic_diseases/vitiligo.html]
That being said, is it not plausible that MJ did the bleaching to balance out his complexion? We all know he had other obvious plastic surgeries, and an operation to keep him from losing his higher pitched voice when he hit puberty to protect the progress of his career. Is it not fathomable to think that he might have "became a white man" not out of dislike for his heritage but rather as a means of preserving an image of un-afflicted one-ness as a pop-star. I do not know the truth behind all of the issues surrounding him throughout history, but he was talented and many of his actions can be described as none other than bizarre.
A comedian making a satement in response to MJ's obviously altered appearance is no new thing, and attacking Foxx as being racist for making hob-knobbery over MJ's white appearance/black roots and the stances that people from different races will take in lieu of his death is like confrontations over people making fun of Bush's many vernacular flubs. (For example: nucular, etc.)
Now, on to this other matter of "homosexuals are going to hell for just being" business...Mother goose, it is not often that i happen upon people of older generations with the openness on this topic that you posess, I admire, commend, and in about an hour have come to love you, muah!
mrs.mom, I grew up here, so I'm smarting from the "most of them are in-bred" comment, but I do agree that the intelligence level amongst a great many these local yocals is a little scary and would lead a great many more to the conclusion of such being a result of inbreeding...lol.
Johnnie, i love the t-shirt, and I gotta find that book, in large quantities, and start chipping this rhinestone out of the bible belt.
HavAgr8Day, can you please contribute nothing to the conversation in your highschool-esque manner on another thread.
Love your screen name, welcome, and I agree with you on everything except im not sure that is why he bleached his skin, never heard of that, though, you may be right !! Thanks for some logical and mature feedback.
"mrs.mom, I grew up here, so I'm smarting from the "most of them are in-bred" comment, but I do agree that the intelligence level amongst a great many these local yocals is a little scary and would lead a great many more to the conclusion of such being a result of inbreeding...lol."
Sorry, but you did notice I said most, not all, I will correct myself and say some are inbred. It does seem to be a issue round these part's. teehee
Suzy what is keeping you here ?
She wants to be, what's keeping you here "Wise up"...... and Mrs.mom, no worries, many of those folks I mentioned leading to those conclusions are in my family, they're not inbred, but I can't come up with a viable explanation as to what went wrong...but no harm done, if you can't smile why breathe?
I don't think I was talking to you but I guess she can't speak for herself or maybe you can is that your new name ?Last edited on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 02:16 am by Wise Up
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It is quite funny that I found this thread, as It was just today, while visiting our local cafe' that I came accross a religious post in last week's Clewiston News regarding same sex marriages. I was appalled wih the way this person put homosexuals on the same tier as child molestors, srial killers, and Hitler. Clewiston News Vol. 83 # 51 Date: June, 25th 2009 Pg. 23.
I found the views expressed to be very disturbing, this person said they believed that homosexuals were born that way in the same way they believed child molestors, serial killers, and Hitler were all born with these tendencies. I am deeply appalled by the fact that one could be so ignorant to compare the actions of child molesters, serial killers, and Adolf Hitler to the state of simply being homosexual. Child molesters, serial killers, and Hitler were not born abusers, killers, and a mass-murdering dictator, these tendencies surfaced as a result of outside influences. Homosexuals are however, born Homosexual. One thing that serial killers, child molesters, and Hitler have in common is an obsession with power and control, research that, I picked it up in a freshman year college psychology course, one does have to acknowledge though that it sounds a lot like organized religion doesn’t it? The issues around homosexual rights and their movement in the modern day are based in life, love, and equality. By getting married, rights to assets, doctor’s visits, health-plan benefits, and a vast array of other benefits and securities can be utilized by people that are as committed to their partners (if not more so) than many op-sex couples which take their rights as a married couple for granted.
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Wise Up wrote: mrs.mom wrote: time-less_love_ina_love-less_time86 wrote: Hello all, I've read this entire thread and see you all have really been duking it out on here. First off the Jamie Foxx topic...MJ was rumored to have a Skin condition known as Vitiligo:
[Vitiligo is a skin condition whose exact cause is unknown. In vitiligo, patches of skin lose their pigmentation when the pigment producing cells, the 'melanocytes' are attacked and destroyed.-]http://www.aocd.org/skin/dermatologic_diseases/vitiligo.html]
That being said, is it not plausible that MJ did the bleaching to balance out his complexion? We all know he had other obvious plastic surgeries, and an operation to keep him from losing his higher pitched voice when he hit puberty to protect the progress of his career. Is it not fathomable to think that he might have "became a white man" not out of dislike for his heritage but rather as a means of preserving an image of un-afflicted one-ness as a pop-star. I do not know the truth behind all of the issues surrounding him throughout history, but he was talented and many of his actions can be described as none other than bizarre.
A comedian making a satement in response to MJ's obviously altered appearance is no new thing, and attacking Foxx as being racist for making hob-knobbery over MJ's white appearance/black roots and the stances that people from different races will take in lieu of his death is like confrontations over people making fun of Bush's many vernacular flubs. (For example: nucular, etc.)
Now, on to this other matter of "homosexuals are going to hell for just being" business...Mother goose, it is not often that i happen upon people of older generations with the openness on this topic that you posess, I admire, commend, and in about an hour have come to love you, muah!
mrs.mom, I grew up here, so I'm smarting from the "most of them are in-bred" comment, but I do agree that the intelligence level amongst a great many these local yocals is a little scary and would lead a great many more to the conclusion of such being a result of inbreeding...lol.
Johnnie, i love the t-shirt, and I gotta find that book, in large quantities, and start chipping this rhinestone out of the bible belt.
HavAgr8Day, can you please contribute nothing to the conversation in your highschool-esque manner on another thread.
Love your screen name, welcome, and I agree with you on everything except im not sure that is why he bleached his skin, never heard of that, though, you may be right !! Thanks for some logical and mature feedback.
"mrs.mom, I grew up here, so I'm smarting from the "most of them are in-bred" comment, but I do agree that the intelligence level amongst a great many these local yocals is a little scary and would lead a great many more to the conclusion of such being a result of inbreeding...lol."
Sorry, but you did notice I said most, not all, I will correct myself and say some are inbred. It does seem to be a issue round these part's. teehee
Suzy what is keeping you here ?
She wants to be, what's keeping you here "Wise up"...... and Mrs.mom, no worries, many of those folks I mentioned leading to those conclusions are in my family, they're not inbred, but I can't come up with a viable explanation as to what went wrong...but no harm done, if you can't smile why breathe?
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| JDL1980, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you my dear are a prime example of the level of brainwashed ignorance that runs rampant in these parts. You claim to love two gay men that are a major part of your life, but you then condemn them for what your religion has taught you to be their sins. You mentioned earlier that you use a King James Version of the Bible, do you know why it's called the King James Version? It didn't have the right edge to be the text he wanted to use to rule his kingdom, therefore he altered it so that it did just what he wanted it to do as a tool for controlling the people of his kingdom. No longer was it God's word, (in THAT bible at least), but rather it is God's word as King James needed it to be, to best rule people in accordance with HIS opinions. If god created all things according to his “divine plan”, please explain to me why he would create some people doomed to be condemned from birth due to genetic makeup?, something they had no say in? Are these people put here solely for the purpose of being made an example of by people like you who claim to know god’s every intention? Quotes from the Bible or simply claiming “The Bible says so” does not work here. We’re talking about people of the here and now, not the supposedly 2000+ year old texts handed down from generations long ago, dictated and altered by those in power. And I did not say that it dictated those in power, the bible itself has been dictated by those in power. Hence the KING James version.
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mrs.mom wrote: time-less_love_ina_love-less_time86 wrote: Hello all, I've read this entire thread and see you all have really been duking it out on here. First off the Jamie Foxx topic...MJ was rumored to have a Skin condition known as Vitiligo:
[Vitiligo is a skin condition whose exact cause is unknown. In vitiligo, patches of skin lose their pigmentation when the pigment producing cells, the 'melanocytes' are attacked and destroyed.-]http://www.aocd.org/skin/dermatologic_diseases/vitiligo.html]
That being said, is it not plausible that MJ did the bleaching to balance out his complexion? We all know he had other obvious plastic surgeries, and an operation to keep him from losing his higher pitched voice when he hit puberty to protect the progress of his career. Is it not fathomable to think that he might have "became a white man" not out of dislike for his heritage but rather as a means of preserving an image of un-afflicted one-ness as a pop-star. I do not know the truth behind all of the issues surrounding him throughout history, but he was talented and many of his actions can be described as none other than bizarre.
A comedian making a satement in response to MJ's obviously altered appearance is no new thing, and attacking Foxx as being racist for making hob-knobbery over MJ's white appearance/black roots and the stances that people from different races will take in lieu of his death is like confrontations over people making fun of Bush's many vernacular flubs. (For example: nucular, etc.)
Now, on to this other matter of "homosexuals are going to hell for just being" business...Mother goose, it is not often that i happen upon people of older generations with the openness on this topic that you posess, I admire, commend, and in about an hour have come to love you, muah!
mrs.mom, I grew up here, so I'm smarting from the "most of them are in-bred" comment, but I do agree that the intelligence level amongst a great many these local yocals is a little scary and would lead a great many more to the conclusion of such being a result of inbreeding...lol.
Johnnie, i love the t-shirt, and I gotta find that book, in large quantities, and start chipping this rhinestone out of the bible belt.
HavAgr8Day, can you please contribute nothing to the conversation in your highschool-esque manner on another thread.
Love your screen name, welcome, and I agree with you on everything except im not sure that is why he bleached his skin, never heard of that, though, you may be right !! Thanks for some logical and mature feedback.
"mrs.mom, I grew up here, so I'm smarting from the "most of them are in-bred" comment, but I do agree that the intelligence level amongst a great many these local yocals is a little scary and would lead a great many more to the conclusion of such being a result of inbreeding...lol."
Sorry, but you did notice I said most, not all, I will correct myself and say some are inbred. It does seem to be a issue round these part's. teehee
Suzy what is keeping you here ?
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time-less_love_ina_love-less_time86 wrote: Hello all, I've read this entire thread and see you all have really been duking it out on here. First off the Jamie Foxx topic...MJ was rumored to have a Skin condition known as Vitiligo:
[Vitiligo is a skin condition whose exact cause is unknown. In vitiligo, patches of skin lose their pigmentation when the pigment producing cells, the 'melanocytes' are attacked and destroyed.-]http://www.aocd.org/skin/dermatologic_diseases/vitiligo.html]
That being said, is it not plausible that MJ did the bleaching to balance out his complexion? We all know he had other obvious plastic surgeries, and an operation to keep him from losing his higher pitched voice when he hit puberty to protect the progress of his career. Is it not fathomable to think that he might have "became a white man" not out of dislike for his heritage but rather as a means of preserving an image of un-afflicted one-ness as a pop-star. I do not know the truth behind all of the issues surrounding him throughout history, but he was talented and many of his actions can be described as none other than bizarre.
A comedian making a satement in response to MJ's obviously altered appearance is no new thing, and attacking Foxx as being racist for making hob-knobbery over MJ's white appearance/black roots and the stances that people from different races will take in lieu of his death is like confrontations over people making fun of Bush's many vernacular flubs. (For example: nucular, etc.)
Now, on to this other matter of "homosexuals are going to hell for just being" business...Mother goose, it is not often that i happen upon people of older generations with the openness on this topic that you posess, I admire, commend, and in about an hour have come to love you, muah!
mrs.mom, I grew up here, so I'm smarting from the "most of them are in-bred" comment, but I do agree that the intelligence level amongst a great many these local yocals is a little scary and would lead a great many more to the conclusion of such being a result of inbreeding...lol.
Johnnie, i love the t-shirt, and I gotta find that book, in large quantities, and start chipping this rhinestone out of the bible belt.
HavAgr8Day, can you please contribute nothing to the conversation in your highschool-esque manner on another thread.
Love your screen name, welcome, and I agree with you on everything except im not sure that is why he bleached his skin, never heard of that, though, you may be right !! Thanks for some logical and mature feedback.
"mrs.mom, I grew up here, so I'm smarting from the "most of them are in-bred" comment, but I do agree that the intelligence level amongst a great many these local yocals is a little scary and would lead a great many more to the conclusion of such being a result of inbreeding...lol."
Sorry, but you did notice I said most, not all, I will correct myself and say some are inbred. It does seem to be a issue round these part's. teehee
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johnnie wrote: I've got nothing against jesus its all his different fan clubs that I have issues with.
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mrs.mom wrote: Now could somone please explain to granny, I see her point of view, how is foxx's comment racist? Other than because you say so.
Suzy all you want to do is keep an argument going.
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Hello all, I've read this entire thread and see you all have really been duking it out on here. First off the Jamie Foxx topic...MJ was rumored to have a Skin condition known as Vitiligo:
[Vitiligo is a skin condition whose exact cause is unknown. In vitiligo, patches of skin lose their pigmentation when the pigment producing cells, the 'melanocytes' are attacked and destroyed.-]http://www.aocd.org/skin/dermatologic_diseases/vitiligo.html]
That being said, is it not plausible that MJ did the bleaching to balance out his complexion? We all know he had other obvious plastic surgeries, and an operation to keep him from losing his higher pitched voice when he hit puberty to protect the progress of his career. Is it not fathomable to think that he might have "became a white man" not out of dislike for his heritage but rather as a means of preserving an image of un-afflicted one-ness as a pop-star. I do not know the truth behind all of the issues surrounding him throughout history, but he was talented and many of his actions can be described as none other than bizarre.
A comedian making a satement in response to MJ's obviously altered appearance is no new thing, and attacking Foxx as being racist for making hob-knobbery over MJ's white appearance/black roots and the stances that people from different races will take in lieu of his death is like confrontations over people making fun of Bush's many vernacular flubs. (For example: nucular, etc.)
Now, on to this other matter of "homosexuals are going to hell for just being" business...Mother goose, it is not often that i happen upon people of older generations with the openness on this topic that you posess, I admire, commend, and in about an hour have come to love you, muah!
mrs.mom, I grew up here, so I'm smarting from the "most of them are in-bred" comment, but I do agree that the intelligence level amongst a great many these local yocals is a little scary and would lead a great many more to the conclusion of such being a result of inbreeding...lol.
Johnnie, i love the t-shirt, and I gotta find that book, in large quantities, and start chipping this rhinestone out of the bible belt.
HavAgr8Day, can you please contribute nothing to the conversation in your highschool-esque manner on another thread.
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