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I've got nothing against jesus its all his different fan clubs that I have issues with.
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Now could somone please explain to granny, I see her point of view, how is foxx's comment racist? Other than because you say so.
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Miss Kitty wrote: I'm talking the the Lord Jesus Christ the only one I know.
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johnnie wrote: 
Which god you talking about?Today it's THOR
so many gods so little time.
What I find so showing is this God that certain secular zealot's speak of is so different from the God, I have been told about.
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KuntryGurl wrote: mrs.mom wrote: With all due respect, your views are one huge contradiction, after another, it is okay for one to do wrong, if they fit your mold, if they do not they are a abomination and are going to hell.. Your post's are typical examples of fundamental christians, do as I say not as I do.  Miss Mom, JDL did not submit this Kuntrygurl did. Sorry for the confusion. So far the courts are standing by it under freedom of speech. I put it on here because ya'll were debating religion/homosexuality.
A small Kansas church that has gained nationwide attention for protesting loudly at funerals of U.S. service members killed in overseas conflicts received a temporary victory from the Supreme Court over their free speech rights. The church, led by pastor Fred Phelps, believes God is punishing the United States for "the sin of homosexuality," through events including soldiers' deaths. Members have traveled the country, shouting at grieving family members at funerals and displaying such signs as "Thank God for Dead Soldiers," "God Blew Up the Troops" and "AIDS Cures Fags."
There is no confusion I know what you posted, I responded to it, the response your quoting was to urallposers not sure of her new name.  Last edited on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 11:50 pm by mrs.mom
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urallposers...
It really is not worth debating with you anymore, we have a major difference in experience in life and your reactions and comments are showing. Your preaching is well, angry and imo I think your one big contradiciton. I see nothing "God like" in your preaching, we are not going to agree. Agree to disagree  My views about your religion will not change, though...sorry
have a fantastic fourth of july... I will leave you with this little tidbit just to think about,
Are Homosexuals Condemned to Hell?
 Are all homosexuals destined for hell? Does ones sexual orientation, in and of itself, condemn one to a life apart from Christ? Surprising as it may seem there are many within the Christian community that believe this to be true. Go to any major "gay pride" event and you will see protestors with signs saying such things as "Fags are going to Hell!" So who is right? Are 'we' condemned to Hell because of our sexual orientation? Or are these poor people so wrapped up in their fear that they would attack the very Body of Christ (Matthew 25:40)?
When I was "coming out," most in the church believed that homosexuals were condemned to Hell. Because of this, I too struggled with this concept and wondered if my very salvation was in peril. After all, I had no one else telling me anything different. My heart was telling me that God loved me 'just as I am' yet the Church was telling me something entirely different. Which was right?
Not wanting to lose my salvation over my sexual orientation, I started my journey here to find God's truth and will for my life. Aware that my own biases would probably cloud my judgment, I decided to start my search using the worst possible scenario. That being the premise that the "anti-gay" contingent was correct and that homosexuals were destined for Hell. If I could find any way to Scripturally back this premise, then I had determined in my mind that I would accept this as the truth. After all the weight of the Church stood behind this idea and I surely didn't want to risk my relationship with God. No matter the personal cost.
After much thought, I came up with only two possible scenarios that would support this notion. The first is that salvation is reserved for a select group of people, and that homosexuals are somehow excluded from this group. The second possibility is that homosexuality is such a terrible and perverse sin that salvation is beyond our grasp. On the flip side, if neither of ideas could stand up to Biblical scrutiny, then there is nothing left to support the notion that salvation hasn’t been extended to everyone - including the gay community!
Could salvation be reserved for a select group of people? It may seem surprising, but this is not a new idea. The early Christians believed that salvation was only offered to those of Jewish heritage and not to the Gentiles (non- Jews) who were seen as an unclean abomination ([url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#Acts 10:28]Acts 10:28[/url]). Thankfully, Paul and others wrote extensively on this issue and strongly refuted the notion that salvation is offered only to a select few.
John described best God's open invitation in John 3:16 when he wrote that “whosoever” (King James translation) believes in Jesus Christ will not perish. “Whosoever” does not exclude anyone, instead it includes everyone! Simply put, it does not matter if you gay or straight, black or white, male or female. What matters is whether you believe in Jesus Christ or not and have accepted Him as your Lord and Savior.
John 3:16 (NIV) "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
So if no one is excluded from God's invitation, that only leaves one scenario left. That being that homosexuality is such an evil and perverse sin that it cannot be forgiven. Of course we have to assume for a moment that homosexuality is a sin to explore this idea! But if true, could any sin be so terrible that Christ’s death is incapable of cleansing us from it?
If we accept this premise, the implications are immense, for it means that there is a limit to salvation’s cleansing power. If true, then Christ did not conquer sin, but rather that a single sin conquered Him! If sin conquered Christ, then satan, not Christ, still rules and we have lost the battle! Is there such a limit to the cleansing blood of Christ that was shed on the cross? No! ([url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#Romans 8:37-39]Romans 8:37-39[/url]; [url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#Matthew 28:18]Matthew 28:18[/url]) A thousand times no!
How do I know this to be true? I knew firstly because Paul said in Romans 8:1, “Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”. If there was a sin that could keep us from being saved, the text would have instead read, “Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus EXCEPT for the homosexuals”. It simply does not say that!
Secondly, I know because of my own personal experience. God has so dramatically changed me since the day I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior some twenty-five years ago. That to tell me God isn’t interested in homosexuals or that God doesn’t accept gay people is absurd! It’s too late to tell me such nonsense! Why? Because I’ve already experienced God’s miraculous touch and power ([url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#2 Corinthians 5:17-19]2 Corinthians 5:17-19[/url])! I’ve already felt God’s overpowering love sweep over me and through me. I've experienced first hand the gifts of the Spirit that Peter described as only come from God Himself ([url=http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/scriptures.htm#Acts 10:44-48]Acts 10:44-48[/url])! And finally, I’ve already witnessed the lengths He will go to save ‘others’ like me! Far from convincing me that God “hates gays” I am fully persuaded that God loves us, cherishes us and will go to any length to save us.
Has God ever asked me to change? YES! God has asked me to change LOADS of things about my life. But He has NEVER once asked me to leave my relationship or try and change my sexual orientation!
It’s clear that no one particular group of people has ever been excluded from salvation. Nor is any sin so great that it cannot be cleansed by the power of the blood of Jesus. Salvation has nothing to do with one’s sexual orientation, and everything to do with our acceptance or rejection of Jesus Christ. The anti-gay signs that scream out, “Fags are going to Hell!” should instead be asking us all one simple question. “Have you Accepted Jesus Christ?” For that is the only thing that matters concerning ones Salvation.
Note: Don't end your search here though. What does Scripture have to say about this issue? If your short on time you can click here to go directly to the "clobber" passages interpreted by many in the church to condemn homosexuality. Do they? Also highly recommended is the next article in the series titled "Is Homosexuality a Sin?" If you have the time though I encourage you to read the entire article series from start to finish starting first with the introduction. Want to know even more? I strongly recommend Rev. Sundby's book "Calling the Rainbow Nation Home."
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JDL1980 wrote: OK Buh-bye!!
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Which god you talking about?Today it's THOR
so many gods so little time.
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Mrs Mom just because you kids and grandkids are gay ,it still is a sin .Leviticus 18:22 says, do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman: that is detestable. So love your children yes.But if you believe in God, you have to let them know this is wrong. Or they will go to hell if they don't change their ways.But if you don't believe in God, live in the sin by all means.But at the end when they face God they are going to say Mom why didn't you tell us.But if you do believe in God Please let them know its wrong.Love them but let them know .
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mrs.mom wrote: With all due respect, your views are one huge contradiction, after another, it is okay for one to do wrong, if they fit your mold, if they do not they are a abomination and are going to hell.. Your post's are typical examples of fundamental christians, do as I say not as I do. I think you are saying I contradict myself because you don't want to face the truth. Maybe, maybe not. How about this....If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways ; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land....2 Chronicles 7:14. Maybe the sins of our people are causing God's wrath upon this nation. Who knows? It is not okay for anyone to sin....
Agian, reproduction is not a part of survival, in fact many many couples hetero and homosexual cannot reproduce, they go to thru fertility or donor's. So, what you are saying is, no one has to reproduce and the human species wil go on anyway?? It doesn't matter what you say, the natural order of things is one man and one woman....otherwise the human species would be extinct. 2 people of the same sex can not reproduce naturally!! should I give you stat's? if you research further you may find homosexuals are more likley to keep their relationship their family intact where hetero has a huge divorce rate and their children are raised in a seperate home. In my own research many homosexual adult's have been abused sexually as children by their own parent's, family member's, role modles, which includes. pastor's, minister, priest sunday school teachers, youth pastor, police men , teacher, principle, the list goes on... or close friend's of their parent's as very young children. Some of those children are abused by "god fearing christian's." It makes me sick! It was not their choice.
I see by your new name you may have been born in the 80's? or graduated in the 80's? It doesn't matter how young or old I am, The Word of God has never changed!! It has been proven over and over!! It never fails!!
Iam a 58 year old mother of 7 I have 17 grandchildren, and 5 great with three one the way and a few of my children and grNDCHILDREN are happily gay Have a great day
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mrs.mom wrote: With all due respect, your views are one huge contradiction, after another, it is okay for one to do wrong, if they fit your mold, if they do not they are a abomination and are going to hell.. Your post's are typical examples of fundamental christians, do as I say not as I do. Miss Mom, JDL did not submit this Kuntrygurl did. Sorry for the confusion. So far the courts are standing by it under freedom of speech. I put it on here because ya'll were debating religion/homosexuality.
A small Kansas church that has gained nationwide attention for protesting loudly at funerals of U.S. service members killed in overseas conflicts received a temporary victory from the Supreme Court over their free speech rights. The church, led by pastor Fred Phelps, believes God is punishing the United States for "the sin of homosexuality," through events including soldiers' deaths. Members have traveled the country, shouting at grieving family members at funerals and displaying such signs as "Thank God for Dead Soldiers," "God Blew Up the Troops" and "AIDS Cures Fags."
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With all due respect, your views are one huge contradiction, after another, it is okay for one to do wrong, if they fit your mold, if they do not they are a abomination and are going to hell.. Your post's are typical examples of fundamental christians, do as I say not as I do.
Agian, reproduction is not a part of survival, in fact many many couples hetero and homosexual cannot reproduce, they go to thru fertility or donor's. should I give you stat's? if you research further you may find homosexuals are more likley to keep their relationship their family intact where hetero has a huge divorce rate and their children are raised in a seperate home. In my own research many homosexual adult's have been abused sexually as children by their own parent's, family member's, role modles, which includes. pastor's, minister, priest sunday school teachers, youth pastor, police men , teacher, principle, the list goes on... or close friend's of their parent's as very young children. Some of those children are abused by "god fearing christian's." It makes me sick! It was not their choice.
I see by your new name you may have been born in the 80's? or graduated in the 80's?
Iam a 58 year old mother of 7 I have 17 grandchildren, and 5 great with three one the way and a few of my children and grNDCHILDREN are happily gay
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KuntryGurl wrote: mrs.mom wrote: granny goose wrote: Here is a fantastic article form Canada news....
Monday, June 08, 2009
More Proof That God Loves Homosexuality
From Canada's CBC News Sadly, many people just aren't educated enough to be able to refute homophobic, pseudo-scientific declarations like this. We can't stop homophobes like the FRC from spreading their hateful message, but people can work to spread the truth that will allow others to see through them. Not only that, homosexuality plays a very important role in nature. If there is a God who is responsible for the creation of the universe, science shows that are very good reasons why he'd be so fond of homosexuality.
What a great story, is it not fasinating how no one round here can discuss a issue to the end, instead they give up and resort to their personal opinion about other posters. Like anyone cares! How sad. Typical of Labelle though
Since we got side tracked on this post how do you feel about this? I thought we might as well tie it together instead of starting a new post A small Kansas church that has gained nationwide attention for protesting loudly at funerals of U.S. service members killed in overseas conflicts received a temporary victory from the Supreme Court over their free speech rights. The church, led by pastor Fred Phelps, believes God is punishing the United States for "the sin of homosexuality," through events including soldiers' deaths. Members have traveled the country, shouting at grieving family members at funerals and displaying such signs as "Thank God for Dead Soldiers," "God Blew Up the Troops" and "AIDS Cures Fags."
WOW! this one took my breath away, I will have to research this more to give a logical opinion, otherwise I just go by feeling's. I will share my gut feeling's what a evil evil man a ignorant secular zealot and his followers are ignorant secular zealot's  Im going to take a wild guess and say no one gave this man, legally the time of day. I do not have much faith in our judicial system but I say they refused his gross plea!
This basically support's the view...."your plank is so deep you cannot see past your own nose."
By his action's, the skeleton's in his own closet are so deep you cannot find your way out... he is screaming for some form of help from someone.
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mrs.mom wrote: granny goose wrote: Here is a fantastic article form Canada news....
Monday, June 08, 2009
More Proof That God Loves Homosexuality
From Canada's CBC News Sadly, many people just aren't educated enough to be able to refute homophobic, pseudo-scientific declarations like this. We can't stop homophobes like the FRC from spreading their hateful message, but people can work to spread the truth that will allow others to see through them. Not only that, homosexuality plays a very important role in nature. If there is a God who is responsible for the creation of the universe, science shows that are very good reasons why he'd be so fond of homosexuality.
What a great story, is it not fasinating how no one round here can discuss a issue to the end, instead they give up and resort to their personal opinion about other posters. Like anyone cares! How sad. Typical of Labelle though
Since we got side tracked on this post how do you feel about this? I thought we might as well tie it together instead of starting a new post A small Kansas church that has gained nationwide attention for protesting loudly at funerals of U.S. service members killed in overseas conflicts received a temporary victory from the Supreme Court over their free speech rights. The church, led by pastor Fred Phelps, believes God is punishing the United States for "the sin of homosexuality," through events including soldiers' deaths. Members have traveled the country, shouting at grieving family members at funerals and displaying such signs as "Thank God for Dead Soldiers," "God Blew Up the Troops" and "AIDS Cures Fags."
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They also don't publish all arrests. I know of someone else wo was arrested recently and her name wasn't in the paper either. You are right, you didn't ask for it to be on the front page. I exagerated a bit. (a lot  ) Sorry. I'm glad you got your question answered. I don't know why they pick and choose who they are going to publish. Kinda crazy huh??
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I don't know about anyone else, but I wasn't looking for the Pastor's arrest to be front page news. I was looking for his name to be in the arrest reports along with everyone else who was arrested in that same time frame.
My question was answered when I was told that you could request that your name not be listed.
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IMO the reason it seems contradictory is the way it is stated. You are right, the second is more tolerable than the first. I have not changed my views though. I still believe homosexuality is a sin and if homosexuals don't stop practicing that, I still believe the bible says they are going to go to hell. They aren't going to be the only ones there though. If I go back to the person I used to be (I have no intention on doing so), I will be there too. Becoming a different person takes a concious effort. Having said that, it is also important to know just because I believe that, doesn't mean I don't love them. I do....just like God does.
The whole Island thing is to show that if the natural order of things were to have same sex relationships, people would be able to reproduce children without any help and the human species would be able to go on that way. The point is, there are some heterosexual relationships in which the woman can not bear children or the man has the issue, so they can't have children. However, without an egg or sperm donor, a homosexual relationship no one can have chiildren because you hav eto have the sperm and the egg. Therefore, they could survive until they were dead obviously, but they could not reproduce and keep the human species around. So, it is not the natural order of things for people to be practicing homosexuality.
I hope that made the point more clear.
I believe that if we spend enough time in prayer, seeking God and reading our bibles, we can become people who don't sin everyday. I don't think we have to sin everyday. I believe that if we ask for guidance from God, he is not going to lead us into temptation. We choose the places we go and the things we look at. We can also control our anger, attitude and language. I am not saying I went to church one day and when I left the whole world was different, I am saying that I went to church one night, had an experiance with God, and I changed. It took some time and I am not perfect. However, it gets easier and the more I resist the devil, the easier it gets. We make choices everyday. When I made the choice to become a Christian, the world didn't change but the way I looked at the world did change.
You are also right about the fact that there are some "Men of God" who do things that are unacceptable. However, there are teachers and guidance counselors and police officers and judges and all other kinds of people who do the same. I do believe that if they take are truely repentant, God forgives them. Who am I to hold a grudge if God has already forgiven them? The thing is, just because one pastor does something horrible, that doesn't mean the one down the street is going to follow. I did make some posts about the pastor who hit his sister and my REAL issue with that wasn't that people thought it was wrong, it was that they excpected it to be front page news. We all have our own issues to deal with. I agree, I don't have to fight homosexual desires in my life. It isn't up to me to decide who goes to heaven or hell. It isn't up tp me to decide what pleases or displeases God. It is up to me to make sure I walk straight and fight the good fight. The problem is, I don't agree with the bill being passed, the hate crimes bill. No TRUE Man of God should have to worry about being arrested for preaching.
I guess we will all find out what was right from wrong when we get there.
I do want to apologize if I offended anyone in my previous posts. That is not to say that I don't believe what I said, I just could've said it a little more tactfully. Have a great day.
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JDL1980 wrote:  I know I said yesterday would be my last post, but I am intrigued now. Your point of view is very interesting to me....
You are totally right. We are born into sin. We are sinners by nature. However, it also says in the bible that Jesus died for our sins, and now we have an advocate with the Father. Because of this great act of Love, we can confess our sins, accept Jesus and turn from a life of destruction. If we do turn from those ways and begin to change our lives and resist sin ( not that we are perfect but that we are trying and if we do fall into a trap, we get up, dust off and ask for forgiveness ), we will not die and go to hell. It also says in Romans 1: 27-32, that God will eventually give people up to the sin that they desire in their hearts and if we commit this sin of homosexuality, as well as a list of others, we "are worthy of death". The death here is speaking of the second death. First, our physical being dies, then our spirit can either live forever with God in heaven, or die and go to hell with satan. So, if they are willing to become saved and change their way of living, then by all means, their souls can be saved too.
I think this got off subject anyway, from the beginning I knew that I changed the subject from Jamie Fox. However, the purpose for it was too say that a bill is on its way down the shoot. It is to expand hate crimes to cover homosexuality as well as some other things. My concern is that our pastors and evangelists as well as others, who speak publicly, from the bible about homosexuality, will be arrested and prosecuted for a crime. This is insane. To begin with, homosexuality is not a race or belief. Also, what ever happened to Freedom of Speech....Freedom of Religion?? They will be preaching in their churches. I don't know, it just seems kinda crazy.
I do love all people, in the way God tells me I should. Agape Love....The way God Loves. I think I said that in a previous post when I used my family members as an example...two of them are homosexual and I love them, I do not accept nor do I agree with their behavior, but I love them. The same for others, alcoholic, drug addict, prostitute, whatever.......Love the person, not the sin.
Do you know what?? I wouldn't have watched those awards, just because he was hosting them!!! Frankly, I find it appauling that the freedom of speech we've heard so much about, only applies to certain groups of people.  I agree with you, he has his issues to work out. However, as was shown the last time this issue was brought up, you can't get any intelligent information from this source. Everyone wants to start yelling racism and opression . Sad but true. When in reality, the only kind of people being opressed right now are TRUE Christians who believe in what is right and are willing to take a stand and follow the King James Version of the bible. Did you even hear about the bill they are trying to pass that is going to make gay and lesbionism a type of race. That you can be convicted of hate crimes if you speak against them. What about the pastors who preach every week. They preach the TRUTH out of the word of God. God calls these acts an ABOMINATION!! Now, when my pastor gets up and says, " Gos didn't create Adam and Steve, he created Adam and Eve", is he going to be arrested for speaking the truth. HELLO.....we all need to wake up to the reality of the times and stop letting ourselves be pushed around. I am a United States Citizen and I am tired of having this liberal JUNK of abortion and gay rights shoved down my throat. I pay taxes....I DO NOT WANT MY TAX DOLLARS GOING TO FUND ANY OF THIS JUNK!!
I'm sorry for getting off your topic, but racism needs to be a thing of the past, we ALL need to come together and stand up for what is right. One last thought, if these idiots running around think being homosexual is so natural.......here's an experiment for them.....
Lets put 25 couples on three islands for a total of 3 islands and 150 people.
The first island has 25 gay couples...50 men and give them the food and water and shelter they need to survive for 75 years.
The second Island is 25 lesbian couples...50 women, give them all the food and water and shelter they need to survive for 75 years.
Now the last island should be 25 heterosexual couples, 25 women and 25 men. Give them enough food and water to survive 75 years.
When you return in 75 years.........Who do you think will be thriving and growing?
"Be ye fruitful and multiply." Enough said.
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Your first post contradics your second post. It is all very confusing, to say the least, it is like you are two different people in your views.
Your second post, is much more tolerant, I guess what get's me is the freedom of speech comment, huge contradicition on your part and a major double standard, which imo is so typical of conservative christians. The fact so many "men of God" pastors, ministers, preists, have been caught as child molesters, are involved in gay relationships, have stolen money from their church, have committed adultrey, have assulted their family memebers, are alchoholics and drug addicts and their followers expect on lookers to mind their own buzness and for their leader to be forgiven, but then do not expect anyone, who goes agianst their grain to be forgiven for the same. It is a double standard. I take the more liberated approach, keep your mind open and your eyes on yourself.
I think we ALL sin everyday, we are all human we all make mistakes.
Another thought, many men and women cannot reproduce so I do not get the point the examples on the island and your beliefs of why homosexuals could not survive but heterosexuals can. Reproduction is not a part of survival. Food and water is.
This is a very touchy subject I know, you are now handeling it well, and not taking the lynch mob mentality like quite a few posters take on this board. I appreciate that. I also agree with you that many of these posters are all posers, they would not act the way they do irl. I for one am who iam, I have nothing to hide or do I feel the need to. I think you feel the same and carry yourslelf in the same light, i admire that a lot. hugs~
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I know I said yesterday would be my last post, but I am intrigued now. Your point of view is very interesting to me....
You are totally right. We are born into sin. We are sinners by nature. However, it also says in the bible that Jesus died for our sins, and now we have an advocate with the Father. Because of this great act of Love, we can confess our sins, accept Jesus and turn from a life of destruction. If we do turn from those ways and begin to change our lives and resist sin ( not that we are perfect but that we are trying and if we do fall into a trap, we get up, dust off and ask for forgiveness ), we will not die and go to hell. It also says in Romans 1: 27-32, that God will eventually give people up to the sin that they desire in their hearts and if we commit this sin of homosexuality, as well as a list of others, we "are worthy of death". The death here is speaking of the second death. First, our physical being dies, then our spirit can either live forever with God in heaven, or die and go to hell with satan. So, if they are willing to become saved and change their way of living, then by all means, their souls can be saved too.
I think this got off subject anyway, from the beginning I knew that I changed the subject from Jamie Fox. However, the purpose for it was too say that a bill is on its way down the shoot. It is to expand hate crimes to cover homosexuality as well as some other things. My concern is that our pastors and evangelists as well as others, who speak publicly, from the bible about homosexuality, will be arrested and prosecuted for a crime. This is insane. To begin with, homosexuality is not a race or belief. Also, what ever happened to Freedom of Speech....Freedom of Religion?? They will be preaching in their churches. I don't know, it just seems kinda crazy.
I do love all people, in the way God tells me I should. Agape Love....The way God Loves. I think I said that in a previous post when I used my family members as an example...two of them are homosexual and I love them, I do not accept nor do I agree with their behavior, but I love them. The same for others, alcoholic, drug addict, prostitute, whatever.......Love the person, not the sin.
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Iam not going to attack you for your beliefs, no one is arguing god hates sin, from what I have been told and read over and over agian, god also forgives the sinner, no where in the bible have I ever read Homosexual's are going to hell, by your response "and if I believe those who sin are going to hell," by this remark, and your words that follow it say's to me that in your mind you are not a sinner, I thought we are all are ALL sinners, in fact the bible say's that repeatedly. I just cannot take you serious.
I was alway's told a christian is to love others as they love thmesleves to be a witness to bring people to god.
Just something for you to think about.
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urallposers wrote: Miss Kitty wrote: granny goose wrote: Here is a fantastic article form Canada news....
Monday, June 08, 2009
More Proof That God Loves Homosexuality
Yes God does love everyone,but hates the sin. Jesus words not mine.So write him back not me.
maxchandler.....
You are right and I've been thinking I need to change that name. To clarify, the reason I made it that is because people come on here under these names and pretend to be someone they are not. I will be changing it today.
Thank you for the input.
The name is now JDL1980.....
This is the last post I am going to make on here. I agree with Miss Kitty, God loves the homosexual, he hates the homosexuality. I don't have to prove my Christianity to anyone on here.
What I leave you with is this, if I believe homosexuality is a sin, and if I believe those who sin are going to hell and I am wrong.....well that is just one extra thing I stayed away from just in case, and I still go to heaven. However, what if you are wrong and God does love the person but hates the homosexuality that they practice?
I am sure you will attack me for one thing or another, that is typical. Have a great day anyway.......
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Miss Kitty wrote: granny goose wrote: Here is a fantastic article form Canada news....
Monday, June 08, 2009
More Proof That God Loves Homosexuality
Yes God does love everyone,but hates the sin. Jesus words not mine.So write him back not me.
maxchandler.....
You are right and I've been thinking I need to change that name. To clarify, the reason I made it that is because people come on here under these names and pretend to be someone they are not. I will be changing it today.
Thank you for the input.
This is the last post I am going to make on here. I agree with Miss Kitty, God loves the homosexual, he hates the homosexuality. I don't have to prove my Christianity to anyone on here.
What I leave you with is this, if I believe homosexuality is a sin, and if I believe those who sin are going to hell and I am wrong.....well that is just one extra thing I stayed away from just in case, and I still go to heaven. However, what if you are wrong and God does love the person but hates the homosexuality that they practice?
I am sure you will attack me for one thing or another, that is typical. Have a great day anyway.......
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granny goose wrote: Here is a fantastic article form Canada news....
Monday, June 08, 2009
More Proof That God Loves Homosexuality
Yes God does love everyone,but hates the sin. Jesus words not mine.So write him back not me.Last edited on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 11:58 am by Miss Kitty
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granny goose wrote: Here is a fantastic article form Canada news....
Monday, June 08, 2009
More Proof That God Loves Homosexuality
From Canada's CBC News:
Keepers at Germany's Bremerhaven zoo couldn't get two penguin parents to take care of their egg, so they're trying an experiment — they gave the egg to a gay male penguin couple.
The biological parents "always rolled the egg out of their nest, they kicked it out again and again," zoo veterinarian Joachim Schoene said.
"Then we made the decision not to give it up and instead try to give it two fathers."
So far, the experiment has been a success. The two foster dads incubated the egg for 30 days until it hatched and have continued to care for the newborn chick.
You know, I just love stories like this. Despite all of the scientific progress that has taken place over the years, there are still a lot of people in the United States who argue that homosexuality is unnatural. Organizations like the innocuously-named "Family Research Council" are still actively preaching this idea. It's not enough for them to simply claim that their religion forbids it. They take it about a zillion steps further and go on to assert that science backs their beliefs. On their website you can find statements like this.
Family Research Council believes that homosexual conduct is harmful to the persons who engage in it and to society at large, and can never be affirmed. It is by definition unnatural, and as such is associated with negative physical and psychological health effects. While the origins of same-sex attractions may be complex, there is no convincing evidence that a homosexual identity is ever something genetic or inborn. Sadly, many people just aren't educated enough to be able to refute homophobic, pseudo-scientific declarations like this. We can't stop homophobes like the FRC from spreading their hateful message, but people can work to spread the truth that will allow others to see through them. Cute stories like this one where the gay penguins saved the life of a baby penguin that the heterosexual couple didn't want are undeniable evidence that homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality. Not only that, homosexuality plays a very important role in nature. If there is a God who is responsible for the creation of the universe, science shows that are very good reasons why he'd be so fond of homosexuality.
What a great story, is it not fasinating how no one round here can discuss a issue to the end, instead they give up and resort to their personal opinion about other posters. Like anyone cares! How sad. Typical of Labelle though.
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That about sum's it up!
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maxchandler wrote: Granny goose, you are AWESOME! Some so called christian's plank's are so deep they cannot see beyond their own nose. I would hate to be them. Well said, all around and thankyou for defending gay people, <bisexual> like me. My wife loves me for who I am and we have a open relationship.
God Loves fag's...I got the t-shirt!
Max and granny, what a riot, im gonna say, most of the posters other then a few, are born here, raised here and inbred.
Hey my son has that t-shirt, Max. Tell your boy's I miss them.
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granny goose wrote: maxchandler wrote: granny goose wrote: I guess, since you and I are the only ones in this discussion, I took it upon myself that you were speaking specifically to me. However, if I was wrong, I apologize.
We are all entitled to our own opinions and YES, when you say something as obviously incorrect about God and who he is as what you did, I do get defensive.
Now my question to you is, just how long do you think HE is going to tolerate this abomination?? Do you remember Sodom and Gomorrah? Do you remember Noah and the ark?
Gotta go....
Nice talkin' with ya'.....
When you speak of God it is HE NOT "he. " You have yet provided anything other than b/c Iam a christian and I read the bible, Iam right. WOW! these views make christianity look sadistic! You really should look up abonimation!
Thankyou granny! I love you!
I love you too!
i love both of you!
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HavAgr8Day wrote: Granny Goose wrote~ If somone could at least prove how Foxx's remark was racisit and not humor, I may take your Plea's serious! I have read on here that you have multiple names so I decided to watch and see for myself. I have witnessed three times Max signs out boom Granny signs in or vice verse. You need to take this board serious and respect others on it. This was on your last post Max~ Thankyou granny! I love you!
Granny~I love you too! This is the only reason I called you out Grow up! I am not sending a plea out to you . Granny Max can think whatever she wants as I said before you have your opinion and I have mine. That is what makes living in the USA so great. We are allowed to voice our opinion. It is sad though when you feel no one may agree with you so you have to fabricate a friend that agrees with you
LOL!!! Im gonna bet, I know what you are going to say next. You think, I am also granny and Max, because you have nothing else to offer the discussion, of course you are going to resort to this kind of tactic, just like All the trolls on this board, the ones unable to hold a adult discussion the ones unable to support their views. When you have nothing else to bring to the table, you resort to personal banter and diatribe. You called granny and max out! LOL!!! Your the one who need's to grow up and respect other peoples point of view on this board EVEN when it differs from your's. 
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Granny Goose wrote~ If somone could at least prove how Foxx's remark was racisit and not humor, I may take your Plea's serious! I have read on here that you have multiple names so I decided to watch and see for myself. I have witnessed three times Max signs out boom Granny signs in or vice verse. You need to take this board serious and respect others on it. This was on your last post Max~ Thankyou granny! I love you!
Granny~I love you too! This is the only reason I called you out Grow up! I am not sending a plea out to you . Granny Max can think whatever she wants as I said before you have your opinion and I have mine. That is what makes living in the USA so great. We are allowed to voice our opinion. It is sad though when you feel no one may agree with you so you have to fabricate a friend that agrees with you
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maxchandler wrote: granny goose wrote: I guess, since you and I are the only ones in this discussion, I took it upon myself that you were speaking specifically to me. However, if I was wrong, I apologize.
We are all entitled to our own opinions and YES, when you say something as obviously incorrect about God and who he is as what you did, I do get defensive.
Now my question to you is, just how long do you think HE is going to tolerate this abomination?? Do you remember Sodom and Gomorrah? Do you remember Noah and the ark?
Gotta go....
Nice talkin' with ya'.....
When you speak of God it is HE NOT "he. " You have yet provided anything other than b/c Iam a christian and I read the bible, Iam right. WOW! these views make christianity look sadistic! You really should look up abonimation!
Thankyou granny! I love you!
I love you too!
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johnnie wrote: 
Agreed! After I read post's like urallposers I know exactly why I do not believe in god!
Her screename say's it all!
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"You've never even met me, what do you know about my plank??? "
Your plank you have introduced publicly to this entire board.
Deny it all you want it is right there in black and white and let a elderly women call you out on it.
"Im a christian" ...ROTFLOL!
If you say so, but I doubt that! Last edited on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 01:17 am by maxchandler
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granny goose wrote: I guess, since you and I are the only ones in this discussion, I took it upon myself that you were speaking specifically to me. However, if I was wrong, I apologize.
We are all entitled to our own opinions and YES, when you say something as obviously incorrect about God and who he is as what you did, I do get defensive.
Now my question to you is, just how long do you think HE is going to tolerate this abomination?? Do you remember Sodom and Gomorrah? Do you remember Noah and the ark?
Gotta go....
Nice talkin' with ya'.....
When you speak of God it is HE NOT "he. " You have yet provided anything other than b/c Iam a christian and I read the bible, Iam right. WOW! these views make christianity look sadistic! You really should look up abonimation!
Thankyou granny! I love you!
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urallposers wrote: You are kidding right?
You really can't be serious.
Please tell me you're not serious.
Why can't he be serious, why is it a non believer cannot be heard. Your views on this entire thread have been so offensive that if i did believe in God, I would be quite sure, he would be extremly appauld of your example of "being a bible reading christian.
Your views are what has made this world so hateful!
Then you go so far as to protect a pastor who is arrested for assult. GAG!
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Granny goose, you are AWESOME! Some so called christian's plank's are so deep they cannot see beyond their own nose. I would hate to be them. Well said, all around and thankyou for defending gay people, <bisexual> like me. My wife loves me for who I am and we have a open relationship.
God Loves fag's...I got the t-shirt!
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I respect your beliefs.
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I guess, since you and I are the only ones in this discussion, I took it upon myself that you were speaking specifically to me. However, if I was wrong, I apologize.
We are all entitled to our own opinions and YES, when you say something as obviously incorrect about God and who he is as what you did, I do get defensive.
Now my question to you is, just how long do you think HE is going to tolerate this abomination?? Do you remember Sodom and Gomorrah? Do you remember Noah and the ark?
Gotta go....
Nice talkin' with ya'.....
When you speak of God it is HE NOT "he. " You have yet provided anything other than b/c Iam a christian and I read the bible, Iam right. WOW! these views make christianity look sadistic! You really should look up abonimation!
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I believe that M.J. had issues and he may have done the things they say. What I have said is a jury of all white people the oldest being 79 heard all the evidence and it was their call. Not yours or mine. Would I let my children stay at his home, the answer is no. Now the reason I find this remark offensive is.....his children. You say what does being married to white women have to do with anything. It has everything. A white woman is their mother. These children have lost the only parent they have known in their life. They know their mom more or less sold them to M.J. No matter what you think of their father they loved him and are going through hard times right now. They all look white so when they look in the mirror what do you think they see. I think he could have been more sensitive to M.J.s children instead of using his comedian humor (as you call it).You said you would not watch the show. If you had you would have seen he had to repeat himself because I think a lot of people did not find humor in the remark. I do not understand how you do not see it inappropriate. The tone in his voice and the way it was presented was racial. If you would have seen the show you would have noticed . This is my opinion if your differs that is your choice.
Thankyou, but Iam still not sure HOW Foxx's statement was racist? You still have not shown me how it is even close to being racist. Other then B/c you say so b/c he has been married to white women and his children are half white? With all due respect and Iam serious I do not get it. > He is a black man he is not white, so what is your point? Foxx said whites got got to borrow him, since he wanted to be white but is a african american? How is this racist? It is a JOKE. I know it is my choice, If somone could at least prove how Foxx's remark was racisit and not humor, I may take your Plea's serious!
Your so worried about the kid's and this comical remark. What about the fact their dad sleeps with little boy's IN HIS BED HAS SLUMBER party's with little boy's and admit's it. EVEN after he was aquitted. I highly doubt the kids are effected by Foxx's remark, Iam sure they are much more concerned with the fact their father is known to be a pedophile.
a man who rapes little boy's.
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Granny Goose wrote~ I only see humor in the comment. Maybe clarify your views to why this is a racist comment, to you, and I may understand your point of view better. I believe that M.J. had issues and he may have done the things they say. What I have said is a jury of all white people the oldest being 79 heard all the evidence and it was their call. Not yours or mine. Would I let my children stay at his home, the answer is no. Now the reason I find this remark offensive is.....his children. You say what does being married to white women have to do with anything. It has everything. A white woman is their mother. These children have lost the only parent they have known in their life. They know their mom more or less sold them to M.J. No matter what you think of their father they loved him and are going through hard times right now. They all look white so when they look in the mirror what do you think they see. I think he could have been more sensitive to M.J.s children instead of using his comedian humor (as you call it).You said you would not watch the show. If you had you would have seen he had to repeat himself because I think a lot of people did not find humor in the remark. I do not understand how you do not see it inappropriate. The tone in his voice and the way it was presented was racial. If you would have seen the show you would have noticed . This is my opinion if your differs that is your choice.
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You are kidding right?
You really can't be serious.
Please tell me you're not serious.
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I guess, since you and I are the only ones in this discussion, I took it upon myself that you were speaking specifically to me. However, if I was wrong, I apologize.
We are all entitled to our own opinions and YES, when you say something as obviously incorrect about God and who he is as what you did, I do get defensive.
Now my question to you is, just how long do you think HE is going to tolerate this abomination?? Do you remember Sodom and Gomorrah? Do you remember Noah and the ark?
Gotta go....
Nice talkin' with ya'.....
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urallposers wrote: You've never even met me, what do you know about my plank???
Here we go with the name calling. I can't help but wonder, why did this strike such a nerve for you??
I mean really, you seem to be very defensive and I don't think I've said a harsh word to you.
Who said anything bout urallposers and your plank? "You " was in general terms my response was a general view about Intolerance and intolerant poeple, listening to Jesus on the mount...I will say it agian, do not worry about the splinter in someone elses eye when you <in general> have a plank in your own. ...You take things WAY to personal. Name calling, huh? why does so many people around here take everything out of context. Im not the defensive one. Iam simply debating your views and you take it personal.
I have hit a nerve with you, im not the least bothered by your views, Im just glad I do not agree with them.
Take care~
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You've never even met me, what do you know about my plank???
Here we go with the name calling. I can't help but wonder, why did this strike such a nerve for you??
I mean really, you seem to be very defensive and I don't think I've said a harsh word to you.
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urallposers wrote: granny goose wrote: urallposers wrote: The sad face in the last post is for those who make the wrong choice.
American Psychological Association, My question to you is, who are these people anyway??? Have they ever made a person out of the dust of the Earth. Oh, you know what? They never created an Earth, so they don't own any dust to make a human out of. What do they know? Don't you think our creator knows what is best for us?? Just something to think about....
Yes, i do know that our creator know's what is best for us. All of us. That includes homosexuals. Obviously these people are Phychologists, of the American Phycological Association. That should be pretty elementary.
IMO There are christians and then there are people who call themselves christians. I can tell the difference by there behavior towards differnce. there is one thing that i know God looks down upon and that is INTOLERANCE!
Okay, I am a Christian, I read my bible...(study to show yourself approved), I believe what it says and do not believe we should pretend anything is okay. I know that I love all people with the love of God, ( love the person, despise the sin) homosexual or not. I know that God created us all and he doesn't make mistakes, so he wouldn't create homosexuals and then let them go to hell. I know that he gave his only son for us and he isn't about to beg. We all have a choice. If we turn him away, we go to hell. If we accept him, then continue to sin...we go to hell. If we accept him and change our lives, model ourselves after him and be the people he calls us to be....then we go to heaven to be with him FOREVER. I do not pretend to approve of the behavior homosexuals engage in. However, I do believe they can make the choice to stop what they are doing. Just like being an alcoholic, they chose to take the first drink. A smoker chose to take that first puff, a drug addict chose to take the first hit, these people are enslaved by this and they need to break free of the bondage. It is a choice THEY have to make. You can choose to stop drinking, smoking, doing drugs AND being homosexual. I will not apologize for my faith and I will not apologize for the Word of God. I do not want to have my civil rights stripped from me and I refuse to stand aside and watch it happen. Hopefully I am not the only one. Have a nice day.
Why not pay attention to what Jesus said from the sermon on the mount- don't worry about the splinter in someone elses eye, when you have a plank in your own! You have a great day yourself!!!
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granny goose wrote: urallposers wrote: The sad face in the last post is for those who make the wrong choice.
American Psychological Association, My question to you is, who are these people anyway??? Have they ever made a person out of the dust of the Earth. Oh, you know what? They never created an Earth, so they don't own any dust to make a human out of. What do they know? Don't you think our creator knows what is best for us?? Just something to think about....
Yes, i do know that our creator know's what is best for us. All of us. That includes homosexuals. Obviously these people are Phychologists, of the American Phycological Association. That should be pretty elementary.
IMO There are christians and then there are people who call themselves christians. I can tell the difference by there behavior towards differnce. there is one thing that i know God looks down upon and that is INTOLERANCE!
Okay, I am a Christian, I read my bible...(study to show yourself approved), I believe what it says and do not believe we should pretend anything is okay. I know that I love all people with the love of God, ( love the person, despise the sin) homosexual or not. I know that God created us all and he doesn't make mistakes, so he wouldn't create homosexuals and then let them go to hell. I know that he gave his only son for us and he isn't about to beg. We all have a choice. If we turn him away, we go to hell. If we accept him, then continue to sin...we go to hell. If we accept him and change our lives, model ourselves after him and be the people he calls us to be....then we go to heaven to be with him FOREVER. I do not pretend to approve of the behavior homosexuals engage in. However, I do believe they can make the choice to stop what they are doing. Just like being an alcoholic, they chose to take the first drink. A smoker chose to take that first puff, a drug addict chose to take the first hit, these people are enslaved by this and they need to break free of the bondage. It is a choice THEY have to make. You can choose to stop drinking, smoking, doing drugs AND being homosexual. I will not apologize for my faith and I will not apologize for the Word of God. I do not want to have my civil rights stripped from me and I refuse to stand aside and watch it happen. Hopefully I am not the only one. Have a nice day.
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Posted: Mon Jun 29th, 2009 08:56 pm |
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"Iam a United States Citizen and I am tired of having this liberal JUNK of abortion and gay rights shoved down my throat. I pay taxes....I DO NOT WANT MY TAX DOLLARS GOING TO FUND ANY OF THIS JUNK!! "
Iam also a tax paying citizen and Iam sick and tired of christian conservatives telling people how to live. I do not want my tax dollars going to the war or to pay back china, i have no choice, it is what it is, hopefully God will pull us out of this mess.
Instead of pissing and moaning about difference, we really should all come together and pray instead of throwing stones.
We sow what we reap.
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