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Well you will enjoy Season II..... Let me know what you think AFTER you watch it...Be prepared for some surprises !!! :shock:  Diva

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AHHHHHH... I thought the first season had enough of the touching on the homosexuality part of it. The one Knight died of the Sweats, and the Musician got married so I was hoping it was done with:shock:

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In season II they touch real heavy on the split of the churches, incest, homosexuality etc......this past season had a lot history revealed to where I went and googled some of what they touched on to get a greater concept of it... I will agree with you ..it is a great show......the costumes are amazing and I actually felt sorry for the King as he struggles with his demons....... Diva :)

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I don't know that season two is out yet. I just happened across it and rented the whole season. I enjoyed it, but I like things that have some history in them. In the special features they say that Henry was, in his younger days very good looking and athletic. Like a Rock Star of the times. I know the show takes alot of liberties with the characters, but some of the historical events are accurate. Good show.

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4string.....I puposely subscribe to Showtime to watch The Tudors.... GREAT SHOW...Of course we know that the actor playing the King is a whole lot better looking than the real thing !!!!!!!:D   Go back and rent season two...I thought it was far better than season one and can't wait till season III........... Diva :)

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LOL...:D I rented the first season of The Tudors, it a ShowTime series on a young Henry the VIII. in his day you would have been burned for harasses :shock: I would have been kicked out of a Catholic school for sure. Even at a very young age I could not be convinced of the exsistance of a God. My Mom was born a Mormon, she had the people vist our house, and sent me to Baptist sunday school because there was a bus that came around.. I would just not get on the bus and go play at a friends, and on the days the people would visit I was just no where to be found. The few times they did catch me at home I had more questions about the Osmonds than any thing else, then I found out they had their own third Bible and that was just too much.:D

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4string... I attended Catholic school in WPB and I constanly asked questions as they related to the Bible and the Catholic religion...... I use to get in trouble all the time for it.... My Mother was called to the school one day by the Principal and told that I was trouble maker and if I didn't clean up my act I would be suspended..my Mother asked what I was doing wrong to warrant this statement and when she was told that i was questioning the bible and catholism she went nuts on the nun..... My Mother backed me up and "politely" told the sister that was  to be expected from a child..to ask questions and that I should not be penalized for having an inqusitive mind.....You should have seen the nuns face....RED AS A BEET....... I guess the nuns just expected us to take all the teachings at face value and never question them...... LOL

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designdiva wrote: 4string wrote: Hey some times I ask because I don't know.
4string...and as they say...when in doubt ..ASK.... for that  I applaud you...;)   Diva
I will have constant questions on this subject, some can not be answered, some are answered with speculation, and some the answers to eaither change over time due to us becomming more informed, or from one religion to another.

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4string wrote: Hey some times I ask because I don't know.
4string...and as they say...when in doubt ..ASK.... for that  I applaud you...;)   Diva

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Hey some times I ask because I don't know.

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4string wrote: But Gator is not the Original Sin that Eve ate from the tree of knowledge there for making education a sin. So to the  people who use the Bible to lead others the dumber the sheep the better. I mean that is what I get from it you know an interruption That if eating from the tree of knowledge is a sin then knowledge, and there for education is a sin. Learning, and questioning are sins.

It was the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil - ot the tree of knowledge.  Besides, it was not the tree itself that was a sin.  It was the act of disobedience to God that was the sin.  The tree was there to help serve as a test to man's obedience. 

Nice try though.

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flsr wrote: okeegator wrote: 4string wrote: Having a full deck is nothing if you only know how to play one game, and don't understand it very well.



I'll admit I'm not much of a gamer, and I bet you are. If not, just listen to Obama some more. Between him and his crew you could learn a lot of games. If not, you could always hope.

And if you listen to McCain you will learn nothing, well nothing new any way because he is just going to be more of the same old thing. Besides this is the religion thread not politics although I know to some of you party hardliners they are one and the same.

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But Gator is not the Original Sin that Eve ate from the tree of knowledge there for making education a sin. So to the  people who use the Bible to lead others the dumber the sheep the better. I mean that is what I get from it you know an interruption That if eating from the tree of knowledge is a sin then knowledge, and there for education is a sin. Learning, and questioning are sins.

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okeegator wrote: 4string wrote: Having a full deck is nothing if you only know how to play one game, and don't understand it very well.



I'll admit I'm not much of a gamer, and I bet you are. If not, just listen to Obama some more. Between him and his crew you could learn a lot of games. If not, you could always hope.

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4string wrote: Having a full deck is nothing if you only know how to play one game, and don't understand it very well.

T-Bone I will admit it was a masterful job of editing, and it was edited many writings were left out because they were not consistent with the rest. But at the same time there are a lot things that just make no seance still, and are down right impossible. That are definitely due to the ignorance of the MEN at the time who wrote it. If it was the word of a Prefect God I think these imperfections would not exist, or at least could not be disproved.

Such as a world wide flood. Maybe it seemed like the whole world during a flood considering the forms of travel they had most didn't venture more that 25 miles from their birth place. That is the way I take it.  Otherwise the story of Noah makes no sense. 

The fact that the whole population of the earth ( Animals included because of the flood) came from one pair is impossible. Now some say well that was a metaphor use to tell a story well what is it the word of God or a bunch of stories? 

The World being built in 6 days (even if a day to God is 1000 years or 10,000 years ) still leaves over a 4 billion year gap in the age of the planet and the appearance of humans.Much less the beginning of the one God religion that is only 4000 years old.  My understanding is that a "day" in Hebrew can also represent an "era" as it does in English - "in Shakespeare's day" for example.

 There is also no mention of any other spices of human which there is plenty of evidence of. Even Pope John Paul admitted that evolution must have occurred. He waited till just before his death to admit this.  Evolution as a vehicle by which God's creation is maintained is possible - although evolution of the human species is problematic for Christian doctrine.

The Bibles leave more questions than answers. That's a matter of opinion.  The Bible is full of answers to living.  More questions leads to inquiry, and inquiry to truth (to quote Thomas Jefferson).
If it was the work of a God and meant as a guide (our Only guide) I think it would be a little clearer in meaning and not so easy to misinterpret. If God created the world and humans, then said "Ok your on your own", then waited  centuries to even give us a poorly written, and unclear instruction manual. I feel it is a not a very caring God. Definitely not Perfect.  But God never said we were on our own.  We have the choice of whether or not we want to "go it alone".  Free will is a gift and a curse - it depends on the choices we make - that's the beauty of it.  It makes us responsible for our actions.

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Having a full deck is nothing if you only know how to play one game, and don't understand it very well.

T-Bone I will admit it was a masterful job of editing, and it was edited many writings were left out because they were not consistent with the rest. But at the same time there are a lot things that just make no seance still, and are down right impossible. That are definitely due to the ignorance of the MEN at the time who wrote it. If it was the word of a Prefect God I think these imperfections would not exist, or at least could not be disproved.

Such as a world wide flood. Maybe it seemed like the whole world during a flood considering the forms of travel they had most didn't venture more that 25 miles from their birth place.

The fact that the whole population of the earth ( Animals included because of the flood) came from one pair is impossible. Now some say well that was a metaphor use to tell a story well what is it the word of God or a bunch of stories? 

The World being built in 6 days (even if a day to God is 1000 years or 10,000 years ) still leaves over a 4 billion year gap in the age of the planet and the appearance of humans.Much less the beginning of the one God religion that is only 4000 years old.

 There is also no mention of any other spices of human which there is plenty of evidence of. Even Pope John Paul admitted that evolution must have occurred. He waited till just before his death to admit this.

The Bibles leave more questions than answers. If it was the work of a God and meant as a guide (our Only guide) I think it would be a little clearer in meaning and not so easy to misinterpret. If God created the world and humans, then said "Ok your on your own", then waited  centuries to even give us a poorly written, and unclear instruction manual. I feel it is a not a very caring God. Definitely not Perfect.

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Patriot wrote: Unfortunately, all the research and arguments have led me to believe that religion is just a means to control the masses. If you don't believe in the after life, then why care right now? You are put into a position of perpetual doubt. Ask if  "does God exist?": then you are a non-believer.--Ask if  "why does this happen?": "It"s all according to Gods plan?" you"re a non-believer. I wonder if there are any questions we can ask that won"t offend God or the holy???
Asking if God exists doesn't make one a non-believer - believing he doesn't exist satisfies that label.  Why would God be offended by questions from a naturally curious creation?

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Unfortunately, all the research and arguments have led me to believe that religion is just a means to control the masses. If you don't believe in the after life, then why care right now? You are put into a position of perpetual doubt. Ask if  "does God exist?": then you are a non-believer.--Ask if  "why does this happen?": "It"s all according to Gods plan?" you"re a non-believer. I wonder if there are any questions we can ask that won"t offend God or the holy???

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Wow, T-Bone this post looks like the King James version. Is the stuff in red a message from God or what?

I have a problem with your analogy though. You suggest putting "40 contemporary scholars" together to arrive at a consensus, yet you say the Bible was written "over 16 centuries". To equate that you would have to put 40 scholars from approximately 400 AD to current times. Now as late as 1492 most people considered the world to be flat and the sun rotated around the earth. They certainly had no conception of World War because their world consisted of "two continents (Europe and Asia)". It's certainly easy to see how someone's opinion from an earlier time could be proved wrong by knowledge learned in a later age.

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4string wrote:  All animals on the Earth have the same percentage of salt in their blood as is in the ocean. Just ONE of the FACTS that give credibility to evolution.At least evolution has some facts to back it up, not all of them yet, but quite a bit of them. There are no facts of evidence to say there is any God. NONE! Just the word of some Men who wrote a book. Then some other Men who wanted the book changed some to make life easier, they called it the New Book. The Bible II "It is now safe to sin" Of course it took them at least 80 years after the events to start writing this new book, I guess they wanted to make sure there would be no one around that could say " Hey I was there then and I didn't see any of this happen" Life expectancy was what about 35 years back then?Evidently you haven't read the first book of the Bible.......Adam930yrs...Seth912yrs..Enos905yrs...Cainan910yrs...Mahalaleel895yrs..Jared962yrs..Enoch365yrs..Methuselah969yrs..Lamech777yrs..Noah950yrs
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The Bible exhibits a unity that—on purely human terms—is quite simply inexplicable. In order to appreciate that unity, one first must come to terms with how The Book was put together. The Bible was written by more than forty different men from practically every walk of life. Nehemiah was a royal cupbearer. Peter was a fisherman. Luke was a physician. Matthew was a tax collector. Solomon was a king. Moses was a shepherd. Paul was a tentmaker. Furthermore, these men wrote from almost every conceivable human condition. David wrote from heights of joy on the rolling, grassy hills of Judea. Paul wrote from pits of despair caused by Roman incarceration. They wrote in three languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek) from at least two continents (Europe and Asia) over a period of time that spanned approximately sixteen centuries (1500B.C.toA.D.100). And they covered topics as diverse as eschatology, soteriology, theology, psychology, geography, history, medicine, and many others.


All this being true, one might expect that so diverse a group of men, writing on so varied a group of subjects, over such a lengthy span of time, would have produced a book that would be a tangled mishmash of subjects more often than not marred by an incredible number of inconsistencies,errors,and incongruities. Yet this hardly is the case. In fact, quite the opposite is true. The Bible exhibits such astounding harmony, such consistent flow, and such unparalleled unity that it defies any purely naturalistic explanation. It is as if the Bible were a magnificent symphony orchestrated by a single Conductor. The "musicians" each may have played a different instrument, in a different place, at a different time. But when the talented Maestro combined the individual efforts, the end result was a striking masterpiece.




Consider this analogy. Suppose you assembled forty contemporary scholars with the highest academic training possible in a single field of study (e.g., forty academicians with terminal Ph.D. degrees in world history). Suppose, further, that you placed them in a room, and asked them to write a twenty-page paper on a single topic—the causes of World War II. What kind of consensus would be exhibited when all of their treatises were completed? Likely, the forty scholars would be unable to agree on all but a few points; their compositions would be recognized more for the disagreements they contained than for the agreements.   The Bible writers, by contrast, generally were not contemporaries. They worked independently, and the majority never even met another biblical writer. Most were not highly trained, and what training they did have certainly was not in the same field of study. Nor were they allowed to write on a single topic in which they already had an interest. Yet they produced a book that is unified from beginning to end. The books of 1 and 2 Chronicles and 1 and 2 Kings corroborate one another in numerous historical events. Joshua 1 verifies Deuteronomy 34. Judges 1:1 verifies Joshua 24:27-33. Ezra 1 verifies 2 Chronicles 36:22-23. Daniel refers to Jeremiah (Daniel 9:2). Ezekiel refers to Daniel (Ezekiel 28:3). And so on. This kind of unity, which is in evidence throughout the Sacred Volume, attests to the fact that there was a Superintending Intelligence behind it. So many writers, over so many years, covering so many themes, simply could not have been so harmonious by mere coincidence. Each book of the Bible complements the others in a single unified theme. From Genesis to Revelation there is a marvelous unfolding of the general theme of man’s fall from his holy estate, God’s plan for his redemption (as carefully worked out across the centuries), the sinless life and atoning death of Jesus Christ, and the ultimate victory of the Christian system. In essence, the Bible is the story of one problem—sin—with one solution, Jesus Christ.

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I may not have 4 strings but I do have a full deck.

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Every one wants to go to Heaven, but no one wants to die to get there. Well except members of the Tale-ban. May be their faith is stronger? If religious people truly believe their is a heaven then why keep your self alive, why fear death, why struggle to the very end to survive? Because yee of little faith your instinct to survive is stronger than faith, just like every other animal we are no different. All animals on the Earth have the same percentage of salt in their blood as is in the ocean. Just ONE of the FACTS that give credibility to evolution.At least evolution has some facts to back it up, not all of them yet, but quite a bit of them. There are no facts of evidence to say there is any God. NONE! Just the word of some Men who wrote a book. Then some other Men who wanted the book changed some to make life easier, they called it the New Book. The Bible II "It is now safe to sin" Of course it took them at least 80 years after the events to start writing this new book, I guess they wanted to make sure there would be no one around that could say " Hey I was there then and I didn't see any of this happen" Life expectancy was what about 35 years back then?

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Thought this was kind of an interesting look at the power of prayer..............

 

TEXAS Bar Sues Church
         
    In a small Texas town, (Mt. Vernon) Drummond's bar began
       construction on a new building to increase their business. The
       local Baptist church started a campaign to block the bar from
       opening with petitions and prayers. Work progressed right up
       till the week before opening when lightning struck the bar and
       it burned to the ground.  
                                 
       The church folks were rather smug in their outlook after that,
       until the bar owner sued the church on the grounds that the 
       church was ultimately responsible for the demise of his
       building, either through direct or indirect actions or means. The
       church vehemently denied all responsibility or any connection
       to the building's demise in its reply to the court.
         
       As the case made its way into court, the judge looked over the
       paperwork. At the hearing he commented, 'I don't know how I'm
       going to decide this, but as it appears from the paperwork, we
       have a bar owner who believes in the power of prayer, and
       an entire church congregation that does not.'


 


In God We Trust

 

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I have a question about this "soul" concept and the need to "worry with our own soul". People say when you die your "soul" goes to heaven and you body does the ashes to ashes, dust to dust thing. Which parent carries the soul gene, father or mother? A fertilized egg grows up to be a human but does the egg have a soul if it's never fertilized or does a sperm carry that soul? At what point in life does a soul just magically appear and occupy your body?


 THE FACT THAT THE ZYGOTE / EMBRYO / FETUS IS LIVING (CONCLUSION SUPPORTED BY BOTH SCIENTIFIC AND BIBLICAL EVIDENCE) BECOMES CRITICALLY IMPORTANT IN ANSWERING THE QUESTION, "WHEN DOES MAN RECEIVE HIS IMMORTAL NATURE? 

WHEN JAMES OBSERVED THAT "THE BODY APART FROM THE SPIRIT IS DEAD" (JAMES 2:26, THE COROLLARY AUTOMATICALLY INHERENT IN HIS STATEMENT BECAME THE FACT THAT IF THE BODY IS LIVING, THEN THE SPIRIT MUST BE PRESENT.  THE ANSWER IS AT CONCEPTION.

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IMHO wrote: Firefly1958 wrote: I agree with Pied Piper it is pointless ,what will be will be. I'll tell you ,we need to worry with our own soul and let the non believers ,well, go one living their life as they see fit ,their only hope is in the millennium maybe they will change their mind maybe they won't,they do need to worry about where they will be in between death and then.:?
I have a question about this "soul" concept and the need to "worry with our own soul". People say when you die your "soul" goes to heaven and you body does the ashes to ashes, dust to dust thing. Which parent carries the soul gene, father or mother? A fertilized egg grows up to be a human but does the egg have a soul if it's never fertilized or does a sperm carry that soul? At what point in life does a soul just magically appear and occupy your body?

I believe the soul is placed in the body at conception,In Jeremiah 1 God said Before I formed you in the belly I knew you.and before thou camest out I sanctified thee.

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I am not a biblical scholar but I went looking and I found this and I think it answers your question. For as much as we believe we cannot second guess God and be assured of accuracy.

The answer of course lies partly in the fact that man possess an immortal nature. Animals do not. God himself is a spirit (John 4:24) and a spirit hath not flesh and bones. (Luke 24:39) In some fashion then god has placed within each human a portion of his own essence -- in the sense that mortals possess an immortal spirit which will never die.

When does man receive this soul? In one of the most illustrative passages within the Bible on this topic James wrote: The body apart from the spirit is dead. (2:26) When does life begin? It begins at conception. When the female and male gametes join together to form the zygote it is at the moment that the formation of a new body (life) begins.

As soon as the egg is touched by the head of the sperm it undergoes violet pulsating movements which unite the 23 chromosomes of the sperm with its own genetic compliment.

Within 72 hours after fertilization the zygote (now referred to as an embryo) will have divided 4 times and already consist of 16 living cells. It will continue to divide and the cells will be smaller all the way to the  birth of the human infant.

The Soul is at conception, because that is when life begins. Some will say life begins at birth when the human infant breaths, they will say if the soul is present at the start of life it would be at birth. Its a fence with 2 sides.


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Firefly1958 wrote: I agree with Pied Piper it is pointless ,what will be will be. I'll tell you ,we need to worry with our own soul and let the non believers ,well, go one living their life as they see fit ,their only hope is in the millennium maybe they will change their mind maybe they won't,they do need to worry about where they will be in between death and then.:?
I have a question about this "soul" concept and the need to "worry with our own soul". People say when you die your "soul" goes to heaven and you body does the ashes to ashes, dust to dust thing. Which parent carries the soul gene, father or mother? A fertilized egg grows up to be a human but does the egg have a soul if it's never fertilized or does a sperm carry that soul? At what point in life does a soul just magically appear and occupy your body?

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And here I was thinking all my questions were good :D

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4string wrote: OK next question,,, Who is Right? Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Or even the Witches, or Pagans  what ever they call them selfs? I don't know much about Scientology, actually nothing at all about it. Do they believe in a God?  But who is right and why. Jews invented the one God idea so would that make them right, since Christian and Muslim beliefs are just spin offs from them? Then again which church is right? Interpretations of the Bibles can vary widely from one church to another Catholic, Baptist, Mormon, Quaker, Amish, Jehovah Witness, Evangelical. Really too many to mention, besides the fact that even each of these many different denominations. Not every one is right, and if one is right on, then some are dead wrong. Say the Amish are really the church that is living up to Gods will. If so the Baptist are screwed. Quakers have a shot, but I think the Catholics are doomed too. If the Catholics are right then the Amish are going to be pissed the went without HBO all this time for nothing.



4String, You have brought up the best post I have seen.  This has to be something that has crossed the thought process of all believers.  Some grew up attending one faith and although their faith in God wasn't tested their choice of where they worship might have been.

Personally I grew up in the Congregational Church (the only church in our small rural  town) As a teenager I migrated to the Methodist with many friends in the next town. As a single parent my children and I were involved with the Pentecostal faith and remain so today.


Wouldn't it be something to be able to have someone use todays technology and go over the original scripts and note any errors and give us a corrected bible?  For instance Paul loved Jesus and he Celebrated that love.  What if the text said Celebrate instead of Celibate.  The Amish might not be the only ones upset, and they only lost HBO!

The Lord Loves Us To Make A Joyful Noise...Laugh Away!

Just My Two Cents

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Many of us could share a  testimony but there would be those that would say its only fable or coincidence.

If people don't believe, they wouldn't recognize the power of God.

I believe a time will come that they will look around and say...."OH CRAP, who would have guessed they were right!"

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T-Bone, like I've said before, it's pointless to argue with people who haven't

any faith at all. They will argue with a brick if it would argue back. It's kind of

odd though, when something terrible happens, or tragic, they are the first ones

saying "Oh GOD, Oh GOD help me".  Or when something isn't going their way,

it's, " Please Lord, if you just get me through this". Sound familiar? Sure it does.

But they are the same ones who will argue and fight till their blue in the face,

and they still think it was all them!

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4string wrote: T-BONE made a point The Bible was written by men. Not a God. If some one today claimed God was speaking directly to them they would be ridiculed, or be considered a cult leader.
INSPIRED MEN!
WE WERE GIVEN ALL THINGS....... THERE ARE NO MORE TO GIVE, SO THERE IS NO NEED FOR GOD TO SPEAK TO ANY MAN, EXCEPT THROUGH HIS WORD, THE BIBLE.


2 Peter 1
 1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
 2Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
 3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
 4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

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P.VanTassell wrote: Hoopla wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: Themotgus wrote: There is no right or wrong here.  There is only opinion.  No need to take any of this personal.  Wouldn't you agree?  So stop trying to convince others, just respect opinions whether you agree or disagree.
The Mot Gus is the voice of reason.


The Mot Gus©™ is the third person!


My goodness...first of all respect due. You got a fully formed thought out and it made sense.

Sencondly, to cut down on posting time...quit defangeling you characters with random accents and whatnot.
I think it's kind of cute. I've been paying close attention to all of the uderlined letters to see if it's code for something. I'm pretty close to cracking this case wide open.

Number one, I love your display name, Hoopla, great choice.

Number two, If you do a quick Google Search of "the mot gus" you'll find that this person is a frequenter of the World of Warcraft MMORPG1.

and his comments are just fun.
1. MMORPG - Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game

Thank you for the name compliment.

I guess I'll give up trying to decode his messages. I was beginning to feel like the main character in that movie entitled A Beautiful Mind.  

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Hoopla wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: Themotgus wrote: There is no right or wrong here.  There is only opinion.  No need to take any of this personal.  Wouldn't you agree?  So stop trying to convince others, just respect opinions whether you agree or disagree.
The Mot Gus is the voice of reason.


The Mot Gus©™ is the third person!


My goodness...first of all respect due. You got a fully formed thought out and it made sense.

Sencondly, to cut down on posting time...quit defangeling you characters with random accents and whatnot.
I think it's kind of cute. I've been paying close attention to all of the uderlined letters to see if it's code for something. I'm pretty close to cracking this case wide open.

Number one, I love your display name, Hoopla, great choice.

Number two, If you do a quick Google Search of "the mot gus" you'll find that this person is a frequenter of the World of Warcraft MMORPG1.

and his comments are just fun.
1. MMORPG - Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game

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P.VanTassell wrote: Themotgus wrote: There is no right or wrong here.  There is only opinion.  No need to take any of this personal.  Wouldn't you agree?  So stop trying to convince others, just respect opinions whether you agree or disagree.
The Mot Gus is the voice of reason.


The Mot Gus©™ is the third person!


My goodness...first of all respect due. You got a fully formed thought out and it made sense.

Sencondly, to cut down on posting time...quit defangeling you characters with random accents and whatnot.
I think it's kind of cute. I've been paying close attention to all of the uderlined letters to see if it's code for something. I'm pretty close to cracking this case wide open.

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OK next question,,, Who is Right? Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Or even the Witches, or Pagans  what ever they call them selfs? I don't know much about Scientology, actually nothing at all about it. Do they believe in a God?  But who is right and why. Jews invented the one God idea so would that make them right, since Christian and Muslim beliefs are just spin offs from them? Then again which church is right? Interpretations of the Bibles can vary widely from one church to another Catholic, Baptist, Mormon, Quaker, Amish, Jehovah Witness, Evangelical. Really too many to mention, besides the fact that even each of these many different denominations. Not every one is right, and if one is right on, then some are dead wrong. Say the Amish are really the church that is living up to Gods will. If so the Baptist are screwed. Quakers have a shot, but I think the Catholics are doomed too. If the Catholics are right then the Amish are going to be pissed the went without HBO all this time for nothing.

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Themotgus wrote: There is no right or wrong here.  There is only opinion.  No need to take any of this personal.  Wouldn't you agree?  So stop trying to convince others, just respect opinions whether you agree or disagree.
The Mot Gus is the voice of reason.


The Mot Gus©™ is the third person!


My goodness...first of all respect due. You got a fully formed thought out and it made sense.

Sencondly, to cut down on posting time...quit defangeling you characters with random accents and whatnot.

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T-BONE made a point The Bible was written by men. Not a God. If some one today claimed God was speaking directly to them they would be ridiculed, or be considered a cult leader.

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There is no right or wrong here.  There is only opinion.  No need to take any of this personal.  Wouldn't you agree?  So stop trying to convince others, just respect opinions whether you agree or disagree.
The Mot Gus is the voice of reason.


The Mot Gus©™ is the third person!

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Pied piper wrote: T-Bone...it's almost pointless to argue religion with people who haven't read the

Bible for one, and two, haven't an ounce of common sense. All I have to say is

when they meet their GOD, they will have a rude awakening!

I agree with Pied Piper it is pointless ,what will be will be. I'll tell you ,we need to worry with our own soul and let the non believers ,well, go one living their life as they see fit ,their only hope is in the millennium maybe they will change their mind maybe they won't,they do need to worry about where they will be in between death and then.:?

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T-Bone...it's almost pointless to argue religion with people who haven't read the

Bible for one, and two, haven't an ounce of common sense. All I have to say is

when they meet their GOD, they will have a rude awakening!

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T-BONE wrote:  ZARAWAR'S POST CONTAINS OBSCENE LANGUAGE NOT WORTH REPOSTING.


Oh Noes!  Please Help Us!

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Patriot wrote: The Bible was written with many inherent discrepancies and omissions, yet so many find it revealing to a higher nature unparalleled in the history of mankind by any other work produced by man. Why is that? Divine intervention or divine publicist control organization to maintain control of the masses so mankind wouldn't defect from reality?
How do you explain the harmony of what is written over a 1600 yr. time spann, when the writers came from different countries,spoke different languages and knew not their co-authors.  Materials that were unearthed centuries after others were already available.  Publicist control is not in the picture.

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The Bible was written with many inherent discrepancies and omissions, yet so many find it revealing to a higher nature unparalleled in the history of mankind by any other work produced by man. Why is that? Divine intervention or divine publicist control organization to maintain control of the masses so mankind wouldn't defect from reality?

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 ZARAWAR'S POST CONTAINS OBSCENE LANGUAGE NOT WORTH REPOSTING.

IN DEFENSE OF THE BIBLE BEING INSPIRED AND UNIFIED


  The Bible exhibits a unity that—on purely human terms—is quite simply inexplicable. In order to appreciate that unity, one first must come to terms with how The Book was put together. The Bible was written by more than forty different men from practically every walk of life. Nehemiah was a royal cupbearer. Peter was a fisherman. Luke was a physician. Matthew was a tax collector. Solomon was a king. Moses was a shepherd. Paul was a tentmaker. Furthermore, these men wrote from almost every conceivable human condition. David wrote from heights of joy on the rolling, grassy hills of Judea. Paul wrote from pits of despair caused by Roman incarceration. They wrote in three languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek) from at least two continents (Europe and Asia) over a period of time that spanned approximately sixteen centuries (1500B.C.toA.D.100). And they covered topics as diverse as eschatology, soteriology, theology, psychology, geography, history, medicine, and many others.



All this being true, one might expect that so diverse a group of men, writing on so varied a group of subjects, over such a lengthy span of time, would have produced a book that would be a tangled mishmash of subjects more often than not marred by an incredible number of inconsistencies,errors,and incongruities. Yet this hardly is the case. In fact, quite the opposite is true. The Bible exhibits such astounding harmony, such consistent flow, and such unparalleled unity that it defies any purely naturalistic explanation. It is as if the Bible were a magnificent symphony orchestrated by a single Conductor. The "musicians" each may have played a different instrument, in a different place, at a different time. But when the talented Maestro combined the individual efforts, the end result was a striking masterpiece.



Consider this analogy. Suppose you assembled forty contemporary scholars with the highest academic training possible in a single field of study (e.g., forty academicians with terminal Ph.D. degrees in world history). Suppose, further, that you placed them in a room, and asked them to write a twenty-page paper on a single topic—the causes of World War II. What kind of consensus would be exhibited when all of their treatises were completed? Likely, the forty scholars would be unable to agree on all but a few points; their compositions would be recognized more for the disagreements they contained than for the agreements.   The Bible writers, by contrast, generally were not contemporaries. They worked independently, and the majority never even met another biblical writer. Most were not highly trained, and what training they did have certainly was not in the same field of study. Nor were they allowed to write on a single topic in which they already had an interest. Yet they produced a book that is unified from beginning to end. The books of 1 and 2 Chronicles and 1 and 2 Kings corroborate one another in numerous historical events. Joshua 1 verifies Deuteronomy 34. Judges 1:1 verifies Joshua 24:27-33. Ezra 1 verifies 2 Chronicles 36:22-23. Daniel refers to Jeremiah (Daniel 9:2). Ezekiel refers to Daniel (Ezekiel 28:3). And so on. This kind of unity, which is in evidence throughout the Sacred Volume, attests to the fact that there was a Superintending Intelligence behind it. So many writers, over so many years, covering so many themes, simply could not have been so harmonious by mere coincidence. Each book of the Bible complements the others in a single unified theme. From Genesis to Revelation there is a marvelous unfolding of the general theme of man’s fall from his holy estate, God’s plan for his redemption (as carefully worked out across the centuries), the sinless life and atoning death of Jesus Christ, and the ultimate victory of the Christian system. In essence, the Bible is the story of one problem—sin—with one solution, Jesus Christ.

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