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mikeswords94 wrote: The article about N Dakota is a lesson to be learned. It states it's the biggest oil find but how much has the price come down? They have been drilling there for a while. And why was this article NOT "plastered all over the news"?Because the mainstream media, ABC, NBC and CBS are basically owned and operated by Democrats. We became aware of this article when it appeared in the Ft Myers News Press, through the Associated Press Because they want to drill in the gulf? Our refineries can't keep up with the present oil production excluding N Dakota. If you want to help notify you elected officals you want speculation of oil to stop. As far as no problems in the gulf so far that would be a YET. One spill and the beeches would be ruined.
Funny how no one mentioned the court ruling that EXON will have to pay less agian what the courts ruled. Residents of Alaska screwed agian! And this case has been going on over a decade. So if that happened here who do you think would pay? If you say the feds where do you think they get their money from.
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Ciphered wrote: 4string wrote: The bottom line truth is New drilling will not bring the price of gas down one cent. Your "bottom line" opinion, you mean. Or do you really have some expertise in the subject or a source of great knowledge that the rest of the world does not have? I suspect neither.
Pretty much everything that is stated on any internet forum is a matter of opinion. I thought everyone understood this. Or, do you have some special reason to state your opinion that it is his opinion?
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The article about N Dakota is a lesson to be learned. It states it's the biggest oil find but how much has the price come down? They have been drilling there for a while. And why was this article NOT "plastered all over the news"? Because they want to drill in the gulf? Our refineries can't keep up with the present oil production excluding N Dakota. If you want to help notify you elected officals you want speculation of oil to stop. As far as no problems in the gulf so far that would be a YET. One spill and the beeches would be ruined.
Funny how no one mentioned the court ruling that EXON will have to pay less agian what the courts ruled. Residents of Alaska screwed agian! And this case has been going on over a decade. So if that happened here who do you think would pay? If you say the feds where do you think they get their money from.
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Posted: Sat Jul 5th, 2008 05:19 pm |
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4string wrote: The bottom line truth is New drilling will not bring the price of gas down one cent. Your "bottom line" opinion, you mean. Or do you really have some expertise in the subject or a source of great knowledge that the rest of the world does not have? I suspect neither.
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Posted: Sat Jul 5th, 2008 02:04 pm |
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| The bottom line truth is New drilling will not bring the price of gas down one cent.
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Ignorance? Oh personal attack, personal attack. Disdain for the truth?
You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the azz.
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flsr wrote: ...Since the progressive Al Gore invented the internet in the late 60's...
Now you are showing your ignorance or else your disdain for the truth. That old right-wing smear has been discredited so long ago, and so many times, that I didn't think anyone had the nerve to repeat it again. Are all the rest of your statements as erroneous?
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 04:09 pm |
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I have tried to post an interesting article but for some reason I can't make it go.
I urge you to google "Bakken" and read what you find there.
Since the progressive Al Gore invented the internet in the late 60's, not even 60 years ago yet, I would think that some progressive geniuses would be coming up with many alternate fuels before another 60 years passes.
As to the condemnation of those who do not try to preserve our resources, and the rest who do: "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God"
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I think that philosophically, I am primarily an Existentialist. As an extension of this, I believe that "eternal life" is not an individual experience, but the continued, eternal existence of mankind as a whole.
Because of this belief, my deepest convictions are that we, as embodied in all mankind, should do nothing to jeopardize that continued existence, that eternal life of mankind. And, if fact, if mankind is to survive, it is up to each of us to do everything we can to make the world a better place than we found it. This becomes an even more difficult task when we realize that so many people are working industriously to make the world a worse place, and that we have to redouble our efforts to make up for them.
Oil took millions, if not billions, of years to be created. We have been using it seriously for productive purposes for little more than 100 years, and most of that in the last 50 years. Yet, it is already becoming harder to locate and recover, and we already hear predictions of it running out. Even a recent television advertisement by the pretroleum industry predicts we have energy for 60 years.
60 years! That is like less than 1 second in the ticking of the world's clock. If we use up all the oil now, what are we going to do when it's gone? An, if we continue to use it like there is no end to it, if we do not conserve, if we make it cheaper, it will just run out faster.
This is so obvious, I cannot understand why even the dullest among us does not see it and understand it.
More drilling at the present time is not the question -- the question is, what are we doing to prepare for the ultimate end of oil as energy? And, the answer is simple -- not enough. Other nations are leaping forward -- Brazil is nearly self-sustaining because they seroiusly started biofuel projects 30 years ago. Germany is leading the world in the production of electricity by photovoltaic solar panels. Even tiny Iceland is selfsustaining because of the intelligent use of thermal energy.
But, we have a bunch of clodhopper politicians (and Newt is at the head of that class) who have only simplistic answers, and avoid the larger question. Why? Use the old rule of politics -- follow the money. The Republican party is deeply indebted to large oil and hide-bound corporations. Whether an individual Republican is specifically "owned" by big oil is not the point; they all follow the party line. They always have, and they always will, that is the truest and deepest definition of a "conservative"; they won't change no matter how bad things get. Contrast that with the description of their opponents, "progressive".
The bottom line is that whether or not we increase drilling, the day is going to come when we have to face the music, pay the piper, or whatver other phrase you like. The more we drill, and the more oil we use, the faster that day will come. And, we will have done nothing to prepare for it, nothing to ensure that future generations will be able to thrive, nothing to ensure the eternal life of mankind.
For this alone, if you believe in individual life after death, you will be condemned because you failed to do your part.
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Thanks for that article, flsr. Now, let's see. The statement has been made by candidates that drilling for oil in the Gulf or in ANWR would not put that oil into production "for years." This ND couple says they just started drilling last year and they already are receiving millions of dollars. The oil must be coming out of the ground and it must be going somewhere, like to a refinery.
I agree with whoever said that increased oil supplies will lower the price. Newt's suggestions about answering the high cost of oil makes sense. First, he says, release a third of the trillions of barrels of oil we have in our reserve, driving the price down and punishing oil speculators for "betting against the United States."
Where do others on this forum get their information that "Big Oil" has Newt in their pocket or other politicians "under their thumb?" Is this just angry speculation or is it based upon some documented fact? Big Oil may be as corrupt as they suggest, but I suspect it is simply doing what they think is best for their company and their shareholders, some of whom are us. But it could be that those saying these things about Newt and Big Oil are just cynics with a misanthropic opinion of everyone involved in government and business.
Sure, we do not want oil spills on the beaches or oil rigs right off the coast, but how many oil rigs do we have out there now and what harm have they done. Heck, they just survived a powerful hurricane without appreciable damage. And what do we think we are going to do when China starts the horizontal drilling into our Gulf oil fields. I'm for allowing the drilling to proceed. If it doesn't lower the price of gas, then I will be wrong, but at least we did something instead of blame all our woes on corrupt corporations and officials.
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Oil deep underground is making millionaires of North Dakotans at a gusher-like pace
By JAMES MacPHERSON
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BEULAH, N.D. (AP) -- Oscar Stohler was raised in a sod house in western North Dakota and ranched there for nearly seven decades. He never gave much thought to what lay below the grass that fattened his cattle.
When oilmen wanted to drill there last year, Stohler, 83, doubted oil would be found two miles underground on his property. He even joked about it.
"I told them if they hit oil, I was going to buy a Cadillac convertible and put those big horns on the front and wear a 10-gallon hat," Stohler recalled.
He still drives his old pickup and wears a mesh farm cap - but it's by choice.
In less than a year, Stohler and his wife, Lorene, 82, have become millionaires from the production of one well on their land near Dunn Center, a mile or so from the sod home where Oscar grew up. A second well has begun producing on their property and another is being drilled - all aimed at the Bakken shale formation, a rich deposit that the U.S. Geological Survey calls the largest continuous oil accumulation it has ever assessed.
Landowners in western North Dakota have a much better chance of striking it rich from oil than they do playing the lottery, say the Stohlers. Some of their neighbors in the town of about 120, from bar tenders to Tupperware salespeople, have become "overnight millionaires" from oil royalty payments.
"It's the easiest money we've ever made," said Lorene Stohler, who worked for decades as a sales clerk at a small department store.
State and industry officials say North Dakota is on pace to set a state oil-production record this year, surpassing the 52.6 million barrels produced in 1984. A record number of drill rigs are piercing the prairie and North Dakota has nearly 4,000 active oil wells.
The drilling frenzy has led companies to search for oil using horizontal drilling beneath Parshall, a town of about 980 in Mountrail County, and under Lake Sakakawea, 180-mile-long reservoir on the Missouri River.
"I have heard, anecdotally, that there is a millionaire a day being created in North Dakota," said Ron Ness, president of the North Dakota Petroleum Council.
Kathy Strombeck, a state Tax Department analyst, said the number of "income millionaires" in North Dakota is rising.
The number of taxpayers reporting adjusted gross income of more than $1 million in North Dakota rose from 266 in 2005 to 388 in 2006, Strombeck said. The 2007 numbers won't be known until October, she said.
Bruce Gjovig, director of the University of North Dakota's Center for Innovation, said his informal survey estimates the number of new millionaires in Mountrail County, one of the biggest drilling areas of the Bakken, may be as many as 2,000 - or nearly a third of the county's population - in the next three to five years.
North Dakota's per capita income in 2007 was $36,846, ranking the state 30th in the nation and up from 42nd in 1997, said Richard Rathge, the state Data Center director and North Dakota demographer.
"The two main drivers are energy and agriculture income," Rathge said. The increasing wealth in the state from oil should push the average annual wage in North Dakota, he said.
The oil boom has spurred several "Jed Clampett-like" tales of ordinary folks getting rich, said Tom Rolfstad, the economic development director for the city of Williston.
Rolfstad said he hasn't spotted any Ferraris or Rolls Royces in town, though several people can afford them now.
"I'm seeing a lot more big, shiny gas-guzzling pickups," he said.
Several homes that cost more than a million dollars also are being built in Williston, he said. The community of about 12,500 people is perhaps best known as the hometown of NBA coach Phil Jackson.
Most people "don't want people to know how much money they got and they don't want to be tagged with being wealthy - they want to be themselves," Rolfstad said.
Oscar and Lorene Stohler said their newly found wealth hasn't changed them.
"We still know what tough times are," Oscar said. "We grew up in the Dirty '30s."
"We put our kids through college without that oil money," Lorene said.
The couple moved a few miles east to Beulah and paid cash for their new home, the first one they have owned. They have established trust accounts for their four children.
Lorene said the only thriftless purchase was an automatic sprinkler system for her flowers that surround the couple's new home. And Oscar bought a $1,000 ring for his wife to celebrate their 60th wedding anniversary.
"We got enough now to buy new stuff," Lorene said, "but we like our old stuff."
Man, they can drill on my property next. I will just sit and watch the scenery of that oil pump going up and down. Maybe then I could afford more gas.
I bet I would still like my old stuff too. Probably the kids would like new stuff.
I guess ole Newty is right isn't he?
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TREASURE COAST — Ethanol pumps are coming soon to the Treasure Coast.
The Port St. Lucie/Ft. Pierce and Pompano plazas on Florida's Turnpike will add ethanol, E85, to their pumps late this summer, Gov. Charlie Crist said Thursday.
Crist also announced that the first turnpike gas station to offer ethanol is at Turkey Lake Service Plaza in central Florida.
Adding ethanol fuel pumps on the turnpike helps motorists cope with the rising cost of fuel, he said.
The only other gas stations selling ethanol are in Miami and Tallahassee.
Found this article in the TC Palm newspaper a few minutes ago....Diva 
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| I'd rather trust Charles Manson to watch my kids than Big Oil to do the right thing.
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At least from "foreign" oil.
These guys in LaBelle growing the Jatropha trees are using 400 gallons of deisel fuel a day. What would that be costing them? $2000. a day? I hope they don't go broke buying fuel while they're trying to get this alternate source into production. All of the alternates will take longer to get into production than the oil we have of our own.
Let's take a chance on what big oil and the government will do to us.
DRILL HERE DRILL NOW PAY LESS
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If they wanted to Big Oil could lower gas prices right now. With record profits for the past 2 years they could take a large chunk out of the price at the pump. Most would think with the state that the country is in, and the power to help ease some of it that it would be the patriotic thing for American company's to do, but instead they just want to keep adding to their profits and keep our economy spiraling down ward. Greedy investors are cheering them on. Oil will bring the end to humane kind with its high carbon pollution and its effects on the environment, and now destroying the economy as well.
If we are to be redeclaring our Independence it should be from OIL!
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flsr, your last post was a fantastic rebuttle.
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Special July 4th Edition: Remembering What Happened the Last Time The Governing Elites Ignored an American Declaration of Independence
by Newt Gingrich (more by this author)
Posted 07/01/2008 ET
Updated 07/01/2008 ET
Something is happening in America as this July 4th approaches.
On the internet, they call it "going viral" when a video or an article begins to spread rapidly and widely with no promotion, just through the strength of its timing and message.
This Fourth of July week, the idea that Congress is failing the American people when it comes to high energy costs - the idea that America can and should produce more of our energy needs - and the idea that there will be political consequences for the elected officials who ignore this sentiment - all these ideas are going viral.
An Explosion of Interest on the Internet
Consider this:
- In just two hours last Friday, an amazing 15,000 people watched this video on YouTube in which I discuss three ways Congress could act now to lower the price of gas. As of today, over 1 million people have viewed the video.
- Over 1.2 million Americans have now signed American Solutions' "Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less" petition calling on Congress to act immediately to lower gas and diesel prices and help achieve energy independence.
- American Solutions' new video on YouTube, "Energy Independence Day" was posted just yesterday and has already been viewed hundreds of times.
And here's something that just crossed my desk. John Bredeson is a trucker who is sick and tired of higher and higher diesel prices but little action from Congress. So he's turned his trucks into moving billboards to encourage real change in our energy policy, including a massive "Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less" logo! Watch the video here.
Our Chance to Make This Friday Energy Independence Day
The challenge now - our challenge - is to take this spontaneous outpouring of energy and concern and translate it into action in Washington.
So I'm calling on everyone one last time to act now, while there's still time. Call or email your representative or senators and let them know what's happening online.
If they're coming home for the Fourth of July holiday, catch up with them in person at a parade or a backyard barbecue and ask them why they aren't taking these three simple steps to lower gas prices.
Ask them if they know the facts about offshore drilling, America's vast reserves of shale oil, and how opening up new areas to environmentally safe drilling would have an immediate impact on gas prices.
We All Know What Happened the Last Time an American Declaration of Independence Was Ignored...
However you're most comfortable doing it, make sure you deliver this message: This 4th of July isn't business as usual. Not this time. Not this year.
This Independence Day the American people are declaring our independence from high energy prices, from foreign dictators, and from pathetic excuses for inaction in Washington.
This 4th of July we're declaring our energy independence.
And we all know what happened to the last ruling elite that ignored an American declaration of independence...
Congressman Delahunt Should Apologize or Face Expulsion from Congress
By far and away the most sour note struck this Independence Day holiday was the outrageously irresponsible and un-American comments made by Congressman William Delahunt (D-Mass.) to vice presidential chief of staff David Addington in a hearing last week.
Rep. Delahunt repeatedly asked Mr. Addington about the use of waterboarding when interrogating enemy combatants. Mr. Addington replied that he could not discuss interrogation techniques because, as he said, "al Qaeda may watch C-SPAN."
"Right," Delahunt responded. "Well, I'm sure they are watching, and I'm glad they finally have the chance to see you, Mr. Addington." View this disgraceful exchange for yourself here.
For his unconscionable expression of pleasure at the prospect of murderous al Qaeda being able to identify an American public servant, Rep. Delahunt, in the very least, owes Mr. Addington an apology. If he refuses to apologize, his colleagues in Congress should move to expel him. There is no place in Congress for a pro-al Qaeda, anti-American public official.
Watch My Rediscovering God in America Speech This Sunday
On Sunday I had the pleasure of speaking to 6,000 people in two services at First Baptist Church Atlanta, where Dr. Charles Stanley is the senior pastor.
I spoke about a two-fold threat to our civilization - one from within and one from without.
The first threat is from the radical secular left who have been engaged in a sustained and systematic effort to remove God from the public square. These revisionists seek to redefine America by changing our very history, blocking the replacement generation - students - from learning about our Godly heritage. They have been winning, and America has been losing. We are losing our unique sense of who were are as a people by losing the centrality of God in our history.
The second threat is from the irreconcilable wing of Islam which seeks to destroy and replace Western Civilization with its radical doctrines that oppress and subvert freedom.
I was grateful to Dr. Stanley, who said about Rediscovering God in America, "No child or grandchild should be without this book" and that "arguing with this book is like arguing with stone." You can buy the book and DVD at the Newt.org store.
My remarks will broadcast nationwide this coming Sunday on the Charles Stanley Ministries. You can check here to find a local station.
Show Rediscovering God in America at your church
We received an overwhelming response to the announcement last week that churches and community organizations can show my video, "Rediscovering God in America," for their congregations and interested members.
If you're interested, just visit here to learn how.
Finally, Thanks to the Men and Women Keeping Us Safe This Independence Day...this video last weekend reminded me of how great the distance is between our troops serving overseas and the families at home who love them, miss them and worry about them.
My father served in the infantry for 27 years so I know a little bit about what some of these families are going through.
And I know that I speak for all of us when I say that this 4th of July, the men and women of the military, our diplomatic corps, our intelligence services, border patrol, drug enforcement, FBI and local police and fire departments are in our prayers - and so too are their families.
May they and all Americans have a safe and happy Independence Day.
Your friend,
Newt Gingrich
P.S. Obama Kills Thirty Years of Campaign Finance Failure: Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama's refusal to limit his campaign spending in order to accept public financing in the general election - after promising to do so at the outset of his campaign - is the death knell of so-called campaign finance reform like the McCain-Feingold law. No further proof is needed that government limits on political speech have been a fiasco and a failure. Congress should replace McCain-Feingold with a simple system of unlimited personal after-tax contributions with real time reporting on the internet.
Mr. Gingrich is the former speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives and author of "[url=http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?link_code=ur2&tag=humaneventson-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&location=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp://www.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fproduct%2F1596980079%2Fsr%3D8-2%2Fqid%3D1153152518%2Fref%3Dpd_bbs_2%3Fie%3DUTF8]Winning the Future[/url]" (published by Regnery, a HUMAN EVENTS sister company). Click here to get his free Winning the Future e-mail newsletter.
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| Sorry about that. I feel there was a personal attack on Newt Gingrich, someone who is trying to do some good for this country and I take it as a personal attack myself to have some bs'er spouting stuff that is simply not true.
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flsr, that's getting too close to a personal attack for this forum. Not good at all.
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4string wrote: Thats just it, gas is going to $7.00 a gallon even if we do let them drill Nothing will stop it. Drilling more, using less, nothing. Big Oil is greedy and will remain that way and you are falling into their lies. No one not big oil, Bush,McCain,Christ, no one has said that allowing them to drill will bring gas prices down. So why are they allowing it? MORE PROFITS FOR BIG OIL!!!! that is the only reason.Oil prices are through the roof and they want to get there hands on as much as possible. Christ the day he said he supported new drilling was asked if he thought it would bring gas prices down he flat out said NO. The only real way to bring gas prices down is to make it worthless. To do this we need to be really investing in others sources of energy. Which for all they claim, Big Oil is trying to stop. Check it out find one reliable source that says new drilling will bring gas prices down. Newt is not reliable Neither are you. Oil has had him in their pocket for decades.That is a damn lie.
If it wasn't for Mikesword and 4string we wouldn't have any bs on this forum at all.
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| Thats just it, gas is going to $7.00 a gallon even if we do let them drill Nothing will stop it. Drilling more, using less, nothing. Big Oil is greedy and will remain that way and you are falling into their lies. No one not big oil, Bush,McCain,Christ, no one has said that allowing them to drill will bring gas prices down. So why are they allowing it? MORE PROFITS FOR BIG OIL!!!! that is the only reason.Oil prices are through the roof and they want to get there hands on as much as possible. Christ the day he said he supported new drilling was asked if he thought it would bring gas prices down he flat out said NO. The only real way to bring gas prices down is to make it worthless. To do this we need to be really investing in others sources of energy. Which for all they claim, Big Oil is trying to stop. Check it out find one reliable source that says new drilling will bring gas prices down. Newt is not reliable Oil has had him in their pocket for decades. Last edited on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 05:40 pm by 4string
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Firefly1958 wrote:
Copy this and send it to everyone on your Email list
http://www.americansolutions.com/
You want to do something about the high cost of gasoline. NOW YOU CAN.
Sign the petition called Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less
Newt Gingrich has started a petition drive to ask Congress to allow oil companies to start drilling for oil in the US and off of our shores. If Congress does this now OPEC will think real hard about oil prices and will lower them. I encourage all of you who want to pay less at the pump to go to the following web sites and sign the petition. You can also sign up for a Free weekly news letter from Newt Gingrich that will keep you posted on what is happening in Washington DC.
We must get the cost of oil down or we will see a full blown depression in our country which will not be a pretty sight. Please send this out to all of your friends and family.
United we can make a difference.
http://www.americansolutions.com/
So I'm a moron .....I still say drill, and when it gets 7.00 you will too!Last edited on Sat Jun 28th, 2008 03:54 am by Firefly1958
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$ 7.00 per. gal. by 2010. This is the latest prediction. So there are no intentions of the price of gas being lowered, or even leveling off. No matter how much or where we let them drill. They will just keep making record profits, we will have oil rigs off our coast, and the price of gas will still be going up. The investors do not care what they are doing to the country or the people, as long as they them selfs are making a profit. SAY NO TO OPENING ANY NEW PLACES TO DRILL. Raise your voice to fast paced research into alternative energy If we put wind mills in just the pastures here in Okeechobee we could power the state. Put Big Oil out of business. If we could do this even the price of plastic would drop.
Any one who thinks that allowing them to drill off our coast will benifit the people, I'm sorry to say is a MORON.
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| Bill O'Reilly held a poll this past week on what people thought of reducing the speed limit to 55. 70% said no. 30% yes.
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 07:22 pm |
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Yea remember the old state side road signs.....55 stay alive !!! I wonder how long it will take for some legislator to reenact the old 55 MPH speed limit ???
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 07:16 pm |
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Yep, I've cut back to 55 mph, also, in the Sprinter -- it's real sensitive to speed and fuel mileage. At 55, I have seen as high as 25.6 on the interstate, but that drops to 23.3 at 60 mph, around 20 at 65 mph and less than 17 mpg at 70 mph. I also get around 20 mpg at 55 mph when pulling a trailer, or towing the Scion, as we do on some trips. I've been thinking of putting a sign in the rear window that says, "Driving 55 mph saves me at least 20%".
You can't get hurt with the nitrogen in your tires, but keeping the proper inflation is just as good. We used nitrogen in the tires on our sports racing car when as little as one thousandth of a second per lap might be important, but beyond that, there is no appreciable difference between N and O.
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 04:04 pm |
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I hear ya Don..and glad to see you back...........
I live up at Indian Hammock so that also leaves me out of the loop....The saving grace is at least we have the Ft Drum general store for those "short" trips to the store ..The owner has even kept the gas price in line so if need be we get gas there........
Other than that I guess it's the p/u truck to publix and back...It''s a 03 dodge ram 1500 and get "decent" mileage...22 into town...... I've dropped my driving speed to 55...if ya want to pass me so be it-- see ya at the red light anyways.....put nitrous in the tires.....and take the foot off the gas and coast to the red light..no more "lightin" the tires anymore...LOL LOL.....
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 03:57 pm |
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Probably one of the biggest disadvantages of living here in Lazy 7 Ranch Estates is the fact that we can't go anywhere without geting out on State Road 70 in the 60 MPH zone. That legally elminates all low speed vehicles (not legal on any road zoned faster than 35 mph), and makes it almost completely unsafe for even something like a scooter.
My wife's car is a little Scion XA which gets pretty good mileage, and we drive it whenever we can. But, my vehicle is a diesel Sprinter-based RV, which gets fantastic mileage for an RV (22-24 mpg), but is a little expensive for everyday driving at the current price for diesel.
I checked out electric cars that are fast enough to drive on SR 70, and there are two problems. Either they don't have enough range to get to town and back (one man has 3, each with a 5 mile range -- one to drive to town and recharge, one to drive in town then recharge, and one to drive home. He keeps one at home and two in town), or they are just too expensive to justify (one outfit will convert a Scion XB to lithium techniology for $55,000).
So, I considered a really fuel efficient car with some utility. For example, I'd love to find one of the old VW Rabbit diesel pickups. The problem is that by the time I register and insure it, I don't drive enough miles to town and back to save enough fuel money to pay for the registration and insurance.
Now, if only we had a nice little back road to connect 67th, 72nd, 77th, etc. to 16th street, I could get to town on a nice little 49cc scooter -- perfect when I run out of Diet Pepsi.
But, that's not going to happen any time soon,so I guess I'm stuck with driving the Sprinter.
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 02:00 pm |
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| Tornado. This was the 3rd time I have checked the milage and the 1st 2 were not positive. I was concerned that I had received bad gas the other week because my vehicle was not starting properly, but I have filled up twice now at my regular station and that was the 1st result from my normal gas station (racetrac)
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 01:53 pm |
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| Is this increase with the tornado or the acetone?
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Posted: Fri Jun 27th, 2008 01:51 pm |
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I checked today and I got 26.7 mpg this week. WOO HOO!. Paid 3.99 per gallon which means it cost me $ .15 per mile driven. I am pleased all things considered. Would be happier is I paid $2.99 per gallon.
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okeelori wrote: Sorry I didn't get back to ya'll sooner. I wasn't happy with my first result so decided to let it go another fill up. So I was 25mpg and on occassion 24. Well after the tornado install I am up to ready... or should I say down to 21mpg. Yep 21. That is what I have for both fill=ups for last week. Great investment that turned out to be. I am not giving up. I will continue to check it this week. Maybe my driving style has changed  . Sorry my results didn't turn out better. The guy at Auto Zone suggested I invest in the entire system which is about $1200.00. I do think I will pass on that one.
This will only show improvement on older cars, new cars already optimize air flow. By placing this on a newer car you are actualy disrupting the air flow to the engine which is why you are seeing a lose in mpg. I dont think your driving habits would drop 3 mpg.
There are a few things that do help a little read up on adding Acetone to your gas!
Acetone In Fuel Said to Increase Mileage
Readily-available chemical added to gas tank in small proportion improves the fuel's ability to vaporize completely by reducing the surface tension that inhibits vaporization of some fuel droplets.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 07:09 pm |
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okeetaxpayer wrote: Plagarism : Copy and pasting is often done by inexperienced or student programmers, who find the act of writing code from scratch difficult and prefer to search for a pre-written solution or partial solution they can use as a basis for their own problem solving.herBcNH wrote: Nothing will bring down prices today except a tipping point in perception. Getting off our asses and doing something to increase out petroleum supplies would be an improvement. Letting Cuba drill the Gulf is about par for the course. Any speculation in petroleum markets is justified by our record of ignorance in defining a cogent energy policy. And now our U.S presidential candidates Obama and McCain are talking about it, the issues surrounding recent discussions on US offshore drilling for oil has significant impact for all Americans. US Offshore Oil Drilling- McCain vs. Obama
very true okeetaxpayer!
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 06:27 pm |
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| Christ in an interview on the day "He" changed his mind said he didn't think it would bring gas prices down. Which of course had me flipping a bird at my TV and asking "Well why do it then Morron"
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 04:54 pm |
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Plagarism : Copy and pasting is often done by inexperienced or student programmers, who find the act of writing code from scratch difficult and prefer to search for a pre-written solution or partial solution they can use as a basis for their own problem solving.herBcNH wrote: Nothing will bring down prices today except a tipping point in perception. Getting off our asses and doing something to increase out petroleum supplies would be an improvement. Letting Cuba drill the Gulf is about par for the course. Any speculation in petroleum markets is justified by our record of ignorance in defining a cogent energy policy. And now our U.S presidential candidates Obama and McCain are talking about it, the issues surrounding recent discussions on US offshore drilling for oil has significant impact for all Americans. US Offshore Oil Drilling- McCain vs. Obama
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When asked how soon offshore drilling could bring down fuel prices, McCain said it would be "years", but the "psychological perception" would help in the near term. Personally, my vehicle does not run any better regardless of the psychological perception.
Obama stated it correctly -- "psychological perception" means that it polls well -- most Americans will accept it without questioing whether it will actually work. Thank goodness we have a candidate who is willing to call for the right thing, even if it doesn't poll well.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25th, 2008 01:40 pm |
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herBcNH wrote: Nothing will bring down prices today except a tipping point in perception. Getting off our asses and doing something to increase out petroleum supplies would be an improvement. Letting Cuba drill the Gulf is about par for the course. Any speculation in petroleum markets is justified by our record of ignorance in defining a cogent energy policy. And now our U.S presidential candidates Obama and McCain are talking about it, the issues surrounding recent discussions on US offshore drilling for oil has significant impact for all Americans. US Offshore Oil Drilling- McCain vs. Obama
Is that what you think, or maybe the poster named "Rook" on that website?
Interesting website though.
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Nothing will bring down prices today except a tipping point in perception. Getting off our asses and doing something to increase out petroleum supplies would be an improvement. Letting Cuba drill the Gulf is about par for the course. Any speculation in petroleum markets is justified by our record of ignorance in defining a cogent energy policy. And now our U.S presidential candidates Obama and McCain are talking about it, the issues surrounding recent discussions on US offshore drilling for oil has significant impact for all Americans. US Offshore Oil Drilling- McCain vs. Obama
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| The Idea that Iraq is keeping the terrorist from coming here is just wrong. Afghanistan would have served the same purpous. Of putting American close enough for them to kill . The Iraq War is wrong we went there for the wrong reasons what we have done since being there has be one wrong after another. It is costing us billions of dollars. We should never have been there to begin with Iraq was no threat to us. They had no WMDs, or the capability to get them here. They wanted their neighbors like Iran to think they did to keep them at bey. Now that Iraq has fallen Iran is just waiting to move in. All thanks to Bush.
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okeelori wrote: Sorry I didn't get back to ya'll sooner. I wasn't happy with my first result so decided to let it go another fill up. So I was 25mpg and on occassion 24. Well after the tornado install I am up to ready... or should I say down to 21mpg. Yep 21. That is what I have for both fill=ups for last week. Great investment that turned out to be. I am not giving up. I will continue to check it this week. Maybe my driving style has changed . Sorry my results didn't turn out better. The guy at Auto Zone suggested I invest in the entire system which is about $1200.00. I do think I will pass on that one.
This will only show improvement on older cars, new cars already optimize air flow. By placing this on a newer car you are actualy disrupting the air flow to the engine which is why you are seeing a lose in mpg. I dont think your driving habits would drop 3 mpg.
There are a few things that do help a little read up on adding Acetone to your gas!
Acetone In Fuel Said to Increase Mileage
Readily-available chemical added to gas tank in small proportion improves the fuel's ability to vaporize completely by reducing the surface tension that inhibits vaporization of some fuel droplets.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
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mikeswords94 wrote: First of all I wouldn't sign anything ole Newty started. Ole Newty is one smart man. Once you sign this you cannot take it back. Take what back? An e-mail signature? Oh man I am going to try and get ole Newty to erase my signature from the million he's got. I've changed my mind This is nothing more than a ploy for big oil to get bigger and make an even bigger profit.The price of oil will not drop one cent if we drill off our coasts. First of all it will take several YEARS to start drilling and refining this oil.
I watched an interview with the GM product manager and he said Detroit is ready and willing to produce energy efficent autos BUT is being held up by BIG OIL and OUR LEGISLATORS. If you want to lower the cost of gas then notify your senators and congresspeople to get off their butts and pass the legislation to allow Detroit to start producing more energy efficent autos. And with the economy the way it is we will all rush out and buy one You can also send a message by telling those same people to get out of IRAQ because that is where we are using millions of gallons of gas every month. There would be nothing to speculate about if we weren't there. If we weren't there maybe we wouldn't be anywhere.
This country has turned into a bunch of spoiled brats that want what they want when they want it and cry like babies when they have to pay what they "think" is too much.Nice to know there are some who wouldn't mind paying $7 or$8 a gal. Look at what other countries are paying and have been for years. Then look around at all our gas hogs that we drive around waisting oil and gas. What are you driving? Any of the older cars that get 20-25 mpg aren't doing too bad I would say. I certainly do believe in a little more planning when it comes to visiting the stores. Our nearest Walmart from LaBelle to Lehigh is 23 miles away. I wish we had one closer, but the plan for that disappeared and we'll probably never know the reason.
Remember when you point your finger at a person,place or thing there are three pointing back at you! We need to take our own inventory and clean up our own act before we start "suggesting" to others what they might do.
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4string wrote: Instead of drilling new wells they should reopen the ones they closed.Yes they could open up some of their wells but not all ,some are depleted, some produce a low grade crude and some don't meet the quoted of 10.5 barrel a day. In 2001 there was 148 rigs in the gulf today there are around 90 they need new places to drill. I really can't believe you are letting Big Oil fool you into this, they admit they have plenty of well they could be reopening and getting oil from but want to drill new ones.The easy oil is gone ,they tried to get it in south Florida drilling vertical down then drilling horizonally in one well here but it didn't have enough oil in it. Not only that you think that permission for them to drill will have an immediate effect it will take years for them to start pulling oil from any new drilling,It doesn't take years to get oil from the site they drill it, hit it, tap into it and pump it .I know this my dad(retired) was a pusher on the fields, his job stated when the rig hit oil.and who knows where we will be then. People who are for letting Big oil get there way are just Well I'm sorry to say it your SHEEP. and you are being fleeced.
The 800,000 signatures are probably mostly from people in the middle of the country who are willing to destroy our beaches, because its not in their back yard.Texas, Louisanna and Mississippi and the west coast of Florida hasn't been destroyed yet!And most oil spills are the result of transporting not drilling.The last oil spill I beleive was in 1976 in the panhandle .
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Buying autos from Brazil??? Their driving Chevys made right here. Instead of running around like a chicken without it's head try getting the answers straight.
Drilling off our coasts will only put more money in big oil's pocket. It will take years to do it in the first place and it will not lower the cost one dime.
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First of all I wouldn't sign anything ole Newty started. Once you sign this you cannot take it back. This is nothing more than a ploy for big oil to get bigger and make an even bigger profit.The price of oil will not drop one cent if we drill off our coasts. First of all it will take several YEARS to start drilling and refining this oil.
I watched an interview with the GM product manager and he said Detroit is ready and willing to produce energy efficent autos BUT is being held up by BIG OIL and OUR LEGISLATORS. If you want to lower the cost of gas then notify your senators and congresspeople to get off their butts and pass the legislation to allow Detroit to start producing more energy efficent autos. You can also send a message by telling those same people to get out of IRAQ because that is where we are using millions of gallons of gas every month. There would be nothing to speculate about if we weren't there.
This country has turned into a bunch of spoiled brats that want what they want when they want it and cry like babies when they have to pay what they "think" is too much. Look at what other countries are paying and have been for years. Then look around at all our gas hogs that we drive around waisting oil and gas.
Remember when you point your finger at a person,place or thing there are three pointing back at you! We need to take our own inventory and clean up our own act before we start "suggesting" to others what they might do.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 05:49 pm |
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Instead of drilling new wells they should reopen the ones they closed. I really can't believe you are letting Big Oil fool you into this, they admit they have plenty of well they could be reopening and getting oil from but want to drill new ones. Not only that you think that permission for them to drill will have an immediate effect it will take years for them to start pulling oil from any new drilling, and who knows where we will be then. People who are for letting Big oil get there way are just Well I'm sorry to say it your SHEEP. and you are being fleeced.
The 800,000 signatures are probably mostly from people in the middle of the country who are willing to destroy our beaches, because its not in their back yard.
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