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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 05:32 pm |
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| We need seperation of State and Oil lobbiest.
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| This is a good example of why we have a seperation of church and state.
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Looks like this offshore drilling issue has been settled 
Bible reveals no coastline is sacred: Drill away!
By Repub ... er, I mean ... the candidates of either party who best embody the teachings of Jesus Christ.They have come to the conclusion that Jesus would be against gay marriage, abortion, casino gambling and using public money strictly for public education.
They apparently also think Jesus wants us to knuckle down on gays in the military.
So the group's Web site is full of calls to "Make your vote count!" and get involved to fight for the candidates and legislative initiatives that further these allegedly holy causes.
The positions of the group usually are backed up by biblical citations. This is an important feature, because let's face it, the statewide organization is being fronted by Dennis Baxley, a funeral director-turned-state legislator who made his bones by pushing for the ungodly law that eases restrictions on firing your gun at people in public.
So, this is a group that needs all the biblical cover it can find.
Which is why I want to help.
Holes in their argument
The Christian Coalition of South Florida is urging its holy cadre to support offshore drilling in Florida.
I didn't know that drilling for oil was a religious cause, but apparently it is. Otherwise, why would the Christian Coalition be pushing for it?
But the problem is, the coalition hasn't taken the time to cite the places in the Bible that urge Christians to support offshore drilling.
If it's a holy, moral cause, then there ought to be something in the Bible about it, because it surely doesn't make sense otherwise.
In the nonreligious world, offshore drilling is just an election-year canard, a position that has no effect on gas prices now, and almost none in the future. Its primary value is to give the appearance of a plan to leaders with no sensible energy policy and an abiding need to give the already-rich oil companies more of what they want.
But fortunately, the Christian Coalition doesn't exist to turn out the vote for any particular party. So you can be sure that its position is based on Christian theology.
Where would Jesus drill?
Some slick interpretation
I guess coalition leaders have been too busy mobilizing against gays to pay much attention to digging out the biblical basis for supporting offshore drilling. So, I've done the work for them.
The Bible is full of talk about oil. Sure, most of it is olive oil, and it's oil used for anointing, rather than running the Hummer.
But the Bible clearly says that we should despoil our coastline with oil platforms.
As it says in Matthew 25:3: "The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them."
In other words, drill your own.
Or as the man of God told the widow in 2 Kings 4:7: "Go, sell the oil and pay your debts. You and your sons can live on what is left."
Translation: Domestic oil production will produce a budget surplus.
So there you have it. Offshore drilling really is a Christian issue - an idea that can be argued through faith rather than reason.
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| If congress would passa bill allowing off shore oil drilling, speculation alone would immediately bring down the proce of oil. Speculation does wonders for the markey andy market not just oil.
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| Term limits are a great idea. But what limit, 8 years like the Pres. or maybe 16? Keep new blood in there keep it from getting stagnant. If they are there 20, 30, or 40 years that means no one else from their own party will run for that seat, in most cases.
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mikeswords94 wrote: That's what happens when "going to any length" goes from their constituents to themselves. I perrsonally think term limits would be a good start. Too many people getting into politics for a lifelong profession has lowered the bar for far too long. More restrictions on them and less on us would be a nice change.
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| That's what happens when "going to any length" goes from their constituents to themselves. I perrsonally think term limits would be a good start. Too many people getting into politics for a lifelong profession has lowered the bar for far too long. More restrictions on them and less on us would be a nice change.
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| The gear that squeaks the loudest gets the greese. Big Oil has put a lot of money into this, Feel good ads on TV, Home repairs for Alaskan politicians, Promising cheaper gas prices from it. Basically lying, cheating and stealing, as much as they can to get this done. No experts are saying this will have any effect on the price of gas, oh maybe like BassB said $.03 in 20 years. As Mike said people are willing to sell their soul out of FEAR, a fear placed there by Big Oil. "We are going to run out of Oil" or some one else will get it first. Is some one else getting it first our fear or Big Oils fear, because they are going to sell to who ever bids the highest for it any way not necessarily us. Not only that but in the 20 years it will take to get this oil to market, I would hope that we have advanced enough to be completely free from oil as a power source. This will never happen if we allow Big Oil to stay in control, and they are in control, they own the politicians, We the People do not run this country, Big Oil dose, and now they are running We the People too. As I have said before 2 years ago and they would not even have a chance of getting public approval on this. Now they have America Land of The Free in their pocket.
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FEAR<FEAR<FEAR. That's all they were selling and are still trying to sell. As anybody that has been paying attention and listening to the real experts it won't do a thing for us but increase the possibilty of polluting our shorelines and killing the fish. What would then happen to our economy?
Using less fuel, buying more economical vehicles, etc. will help more than any drilling .
I've just read how FEMA has 1000's of diesel fuel tanks buried all over the country that are quite possibly leeching fuel into our groundwater! Now that makes me more nervous than having to cut back a little on my driving.
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Meems wrote: Since this thread began both Republicans who opposed and Democrats have made a turn around. They are now all talking of off shore drilling.........hmmmmmm McCain was for it. Obama is not for it, Crist is now for it. Bush is for it........Looks like it may be coming to a shore near you........
And they are all blind sheep. I expected the Politicians to start rolling over on it, Oil Money filling their pockets. I think the only ones who do oppose it are the ones that Oil has not made an offer to yet.
As has been said, it will not benefit the people at all. the only ones that it will are Oil, and the politicians in their pocket. $.03 in 20 years. Can't even reach the oil once they start drilling for 6 years. We could have 2 new Presidents by then. This is a SCAM by Oil and you are falling for it. It is as much of a SCAM as some one offering you money for nothing over the Internet.
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| Okeelori Did you ever get back to us on the Tornado and if it truely saved gas? If so I missed it so would you post it again?
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Meems wrote: Since this thread began both Republicans who opposed and Democrats have made a turn around. They are now all talking of off shore drilling.........hmmmmmm McCain was for it. Obama is not for it, Crist is now for it. Bush is for it........Looks like it may be coming to a shore near you........
And now Speaker Pelosi has stated she would "reconsider" her position
For a "price" 
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| Since this thread began both Republicans who opposed and Democrats have made a turn around. They are now all talking of off shore drilling.........hmmmmmm McCain was for it. Obama is not for it, Crist is now for it. Bush is for it........Looks like it may be coming to a shore near you........
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BassB wrote: Drill here, Drill now, Get Oil and $.03 off a gallon in 20 years. This is the most ridiculous idea ever.
Newt's big brain on this and where he is getting all his facts from is one economics collage student. I saw this reported on PBS just the other night. One Student the kid dose not even have a job yet. All the experts that PBS had on said that it would take up to 20 years to see any production from any new drilling, and because of the little it would actually ad to the amount needed it would only lower the price of gas $.03.
$.03 in 20 years??? I think I'd rather we work on some thing else over those 20 years. We should have Power Cells pretty far along by then.
I feel any one who supports this is just giving into the panic that was caused by Oil Co.s to begin with. and they are using it to get their way. I hate their feel good about oil commercials they have on TV right now. They are about as full of crap as political ads. Any one that falls for it is blind.
Drill Here Drill Now is Bad for our Country. Newt should be ashamed to be caught so deeply in Oils pocket. Bad Newt Bad Newt.
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Drill here, Drill now, Get Oil and $.03 off a gallon in 20 years. This is the most ridiculous idea ever.
Newt's big brain on this and where he is getting all his facts from is one economics collage student. I saw this reported on PBS just the other night. One Student the kid dose not even have a job yet. All the experts that PBS had on said that it would take up to 20 years to see any production from any new drilling, and because of the little it would actually ad to the amount needed it would only lower the price of gas $.03.
$.03 in 20 years??? I think I'd rather we work on some thing else over those 20 years. We should have Power Cells pretty far along by then.
I feel any one who supports this is just giving into the panic that was caused by Oil Co.s to begin with. and they are using it to get their way. I hate their feel good about oil commercials they have on TV right now. They are about as full of crap as political ads. Any one that falls for it is blind.
Drill Here Drill Now is Bad for our Country. Newt should be ashamed to be caught so deeply in Oils pocket. Bad Newt Bad Newt.
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| I am glad that you enjoyed the video Pops........ Diva
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designdiva wrote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=VDXTgfDJP3I
Too funny ........the gas station attack..............Diva
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Lets hope Congress has more since than the Lame Duck we have for a President then. The news said right after the announcement that it would be 7 years before we see the Oil from any new drilling. We could have 2 new Presidents by then.
As I have said I'm in auto sales. The price of gas and the economy have hit me I would think harder than most. Not only am I paying more for everything like every one else, but I'm making half as much as I did a year and a half ago. I'm averaging well under minimum wage, Thats per week I,m not even going by the fact I put in over 60 hours per week. If I was to add up my average per hour it would come to cents per hour. Have gone a month at a time with no sales, and no sales no pay in this business. So if I can tough it out, any one can, with out giving in to Big Oil on a hope it will bring Oil prices down, not a promise but a hope. Hoping for a few cents at that. And that is just what they want. Using your fears against you to get their way.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=VDXTgfDJP3I
Too funny ........the gas station attack..............Diva
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Dear ,
I'm delighted to inform you that President Bush just signed an executive order to allow offshore drilling along our coast. This is a major victory in our effort to reduce gas prices, and it would have not happened without your help. Your petition signature allowed us to send a message to Washington that could not be ignored. President Bush's executive order will overturn an eighteen year-old offshore drilling ban imposed by President George H.W. Bush.
This is a significant victory, but we cannot stop there.
Congress still must act before Americans can start searching for oil offshore, and we must keep the pressure on them until they take action to lower our gas prices. We plan to accomplish this by collecting 3,000,000 "Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less." petition signatures that we'll present to both the Republican and Democrat Conventions in August. You can help us reach this goal by inviting your friends and family to sign the petition by clicking here.
Thank you for joining this grassroots movement and helping raise awareness about this important issue.
Sincerely,
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P.S. The voices of 1,300,000 Americans are clearly making a difference. Help us keep the momentum going by calling your Congressman or Senator at 202-224-3121 and urging them to lift the federal ban on offshore drilling.
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Icare wrote: Firefly1958 wrote: Had to go to Bonita today ,its crazy 4.15 for reg and up..Had to drive for 7 days straight that will empty your pocketbook.Thank goodness I don't have to go back for 2 weeks.If the Iranian twerp would quit with his missiles ,that would help
What about us "twerps" over there causing a big fuss? It is so easy to not ever take responsibility for our own actions. Besides who decided that we were going to be the only country "allowed" to have WMD? Why is it ok for us, but we shake our fingers at everyone else who wants to beef up their own stockpile? I guess when you're the big bully, you want to have all the weapons and not let anyone else have any. It's easier to win that way.
I Care, you care, we all care. Your remarks are absolutely astonishing. I have individual answers for each of your statements, but why bother. The only thing I can think of is that you should have personal knowledge of the reasons why we should be the only ones with WMDs. I am not a wealthy person but I will start a collection with $20. for a ticket for you to go and live with Ahmadinejab. It would be a oneway ticket. He, in all his superior judgement and caring for others would certainly care for you.
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Firefly1958 wrote: Had to go to Bonita today ,its crazy 4.15 for reg and up..Had to drive for 7 days straight that will empty your pocketbook.Thank goodness I don't have to go back for 2 weeks.If the Iranian twerp would quit with his missiles ,that would help
What about us "twerps" over there causing a big fuss? It is so easy to not ever take responsibility for our own actions. Besides who decided that we were going to be the only country "allowed" to have WMD? Why is it ok for us, but we shake our fingers at everyone else who wants to beef up their own stockpile? I guess when you're the big bully, you want to have all the weapons and not let anyone else have any. It's easier to win that way.
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| Back in the olden days, the VERY olden days, there was "Twirp" which meant..........The woman is required to pay. Does anybody remember where that came from? The comic strips?
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| Had to go to Bonita today ,its crazy 4.15 for reg and up..Had to drive for 7 days straight that will empty your pocketbook.Thank goodness I don't have to go back for 2 weeks.If the Iranian twerp would quit with his missiles ,that would help
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The very thought sends a chill up my spine.
So how 'bout them gas prices?
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okeegator wrote: 4string wrote: It started raining and you know what happens when they get wet 
Ouch, if only they were here to read that! Of course we would all get a lesson on how witches have been persecuted throughout history and then the personal insults would fly. Ah yes, those were the good ole days.
Lets not reminisce to much on that, it might come back to try to terrorize us
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4string wrote: It started raining and you know what happens when they get wet
Ouch, if only they were here to read that! Of course we would all get a lesson on how witches have been persecuted throughout history and then the personal insults would fly. Ah yes, those were the good ole days.
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I don't care who you are, that was funny.
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| It started raining and you know what happens when they get wet
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4string wrote: Yeah the second one I keep forgetting to hit the spell check most of my edits are going back to hit it. Then their are times I just don't give a crap, and let it ride. Actually this forum group is the pickiest of any I have ever been on about correct spelling. Even when its is an obvious typo. The Witches were the worst if they could find nothing to come back at you with they would hit you with spelling or grammar.
Ah yes, the witches. I wonder whatever happened to them.
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| Yeah the second one I keep forgetting to hit the spell check most of my edits are going back to hit it. Then their are times I just don't give a crap, and let it ride. Actually this forum group is the pickiest of any I have ever been on about correct spelling. Even when its is an obvious typo. The Witches were the worst if they could find nothing to come back at you with they would hit you with spelling or grammar.
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Ped, meaning foot, are you referring to a footstool?(pedistool) or did you mean pedestal?
One thing I'll have to say is it takes some thinking to figure out what some of these people are talking about. Dose that make any sense, or does it not?
Sorry, couldn't resist. Now watch for my bloopers
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| I never put him on a pedistool, and he is no hero of mine, you asked for some one I gave you one. An Oil Man who says the price of gas will not come down.
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4string wrote: T. Boon Pickens for one. An Oil man him self. Said today that gas will reach $6.00 a gallon by next year, and no amount of drilling will stop it. Our only hope is alternate sources of energy, Like wind which he is now investing heavily in.
T.B. Pickens is saying what we have all been saying ,get off foreign oil. I just glanced at his web site he is a opportunist, with wind power he also is buying up all the water rites in Texas,so if there is a drought of mega proportion people will have have his permission to use it ,And you talk about people with retirement accounts being greedy Please,.Last edited on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 06:19 pm by Firefly1958
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| T. Boon Pickens for one. An Oil man him self. Said today that gas will reach $6.00 a gallon by next year, and no amount of drilling will stop it. Our only hope is alternate sources of energy, Like wind which he is now investing heavily in.
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4string wrote: Wait and see. Gas will keep going up, no matter how much you let them drill.All annalist have said so, except those hired by Oil. And who are the analyst One spill off our coast and you all will kick your selfs for allowing it.There are hundreds in the gulf right now ,nothing is without risk ,hopefully it wont happen ,hasn't so far and they have been in the gulf a long time. The only people I can see that would be for this are those that have stock portfolios, and Oil is boosting their futures,Right now that is the only thing that is making money on the market all other have lost ,most people who so wisely have a retirement portfolio spread their investment over wide options, the smart thing to do (don't put all your eggs in one basket)And most people who have retirement don't know where their money is invested except large cap, small cap.ect.ect. to find out if these funds are in oil you have to dig that is alittle out of their control ,so if part of the large cap is energy ,good for them they are making money.Don't forget about the retiree who is on social security only like my parents, who has to make careful decisions so there will be enough money to get them through the month or the one who's having to choose between gas and food or gas and medicine ,apparently you have no idea just how many people are in a bind right now because of gas prices at the cost of the planets future. Greed, in stock options is all this comes down too. Stock holders are the ones driving the prices up, and they want more.Greed ,people are just looking out for their future lord knows social security isn't going to be there.Lets see first it was big oil driving the price then you said it was speculators now it's people who have retirement portfolio's,keep going maybe eventually you get to consumers.
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| Wait and see. Gas will keep going up, no matter how much you let them drill.All annalist have said so, except those hired by Oil. One spill off our coast and you all will kick your selfs for allowing it. The only people I can see that would be for this are those that have stock portfolios, and Oil is boosting their futures, at the cost of the planets future. Greed, in stock options is all this comes down too. Stock holders are the ones driving the prices up, and they want more.
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In terms of the Bush administration's handling/mishandling of the budget and the massive increase in our debt, I heard recently on a news program that the Iraq War was the first war we have ever fought in which the government cut taxes. I still have to look that up, but it is an interesting point.
The administration wanted to have its war with Iraq, told us how important it was, and yet never asked us (only the soldiers and their families) to sacrifice in order to secure a proper victory. We continued on with life as if nothing was different while a Republican-led Congress with spineless-Democrats gave the President everything he asked for with no oversight and with very few questions.
The President and the Congress cut taxes during a war, raised spending to new heights, drove our debt even higher, put us more in the "red" with Red China, and mortgaged our country's future.
If you want an interesting comparison, I challenge everyone to read up on the causes of the decline of the British Empire. Look for the similarities between our history and theirs. In some ways we look like the British between 1900-1945 while the Chinese of today compare to the rise of the U.S. during the same period. Also look at the Boer War (1899-1902) that Britain fought in South Africa and how that compares with the Iraq War. When your done, read Fareed Zakaria's The Post-American World. Sobering stuff. History has its lessons. Or as someone once said, history doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme. Don't say you weren't warned.
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Ciphered wrote:
"...Anyone who would believe someone who says he is going to increase spending for domestic programs but lower taxes has fully consumed the Kool-aid..."
Totally agree! That is precisely what the Bush administration has been doing for the past 7-/2 years -- lowering taxes while increasing spending for domestic programs, pork barrel spending, ear marks, the stupid war, and anything else they can dream up. Borrow and spend! And it is the primary reason we need a change from that failed policy. McCain, with his promises to continue tax cuts yet his insistence that we continue the war, is just more of the same.
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4string wrote: My opinion, Christ's opinion, McCain's opinion, Both have said they did not think it would bring the price of gas down. That would be Crist, not "Christ." A Freudian slip, I'm sure. And Gov. Crist had this to say about his stance on drilling:
"We have to be sympathetic to the pocketbooks of the people of Florida in what they're paying at the pump for gas, and balance that with: Is there any way that our state might be able to contribute in terms of resources to have greater supply and therefore lower prices? If that's possible, through good technology or whatever it might be, I think an open-minded person understands that we ought to at least study it." According to a Wharton Econmetrics study (Wharton School of Economics, U. of Penn.), allowing drilling in ANWR would bring 735,000 new jobs across the country, not just in Alaska, at full production. A definite boon to the economy. And one of McCain's economic advisors, Kevin Hasset, of the American Enterprise Institute, says that "market prices should depend on supply and demand."
There is no oil shortage like they claimed back in the 70s. No? The production of oil is controlled by OPEC. Whether there is a shortage or the ones with the supply are keeping it to themselves to influence the price does not make a difference in the ultimate result.
So if there is no shortage why do we all of the sudden need to drill for new Oil? If for no other reason than to start us on the way to independence from the Middle Eastern oil producing countries. Even if it does not impact price immediately, which I think it will, it will eventually. That buys us some time to develop alternate energy sources.
Profit and using the gas price situation to bluff their way into drilling where they can't. And what exactly is YOUR answer to the problem?
Bluffing the SHEEP who believe every thing their party spits out. Must be nice to go through life letting some one else think for you. Letting a party decide what your opinion will be. Talk about SHEEP! Anyone who would believe someone who says he is going to increase spending for domestic programs but lower taxes has fully consumed the Kool-aid. I never let any party decide for me what my opinion will be. I can read for myself. I am not crazy about either party right now. But I do know a dangerous choice when I see one.
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4string wrote: My opinion, Christ's opinion, McCain's opinion, Both have said they did not think it would bring the price of gas down. There is no oil shortage like they claimed back in the 70s.How do you define shortage in 1970 domestic oil production was 9.6mb/d today it is 4.6mb/d ,I think that qualifies as a shortage. So if there is no shortage why do we all of the sudden need to drill for new Oil?Decline of the wells. ProfitWhy are they making record profit,because of the weak dollar ,big oil is taking the 7% profit margin and investing 70% of that in overseas markets where the euro is strong. and using the gas price situation to bluff their way into drilling where they can't. The prices are set by global supply and demand Bluffing the SHEEP who believe every thing their party spits out. Must be nice to go through life letting some one else think for you. Letting a party decide what your opinion will be.We have got to get away from fossil fuel
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Actually I believe what Newt Gingrich says, but we've been that route with ole Newty haven't we. Actually he has tried to bring the parties together on these problems, working for American Solutions, even stooping so low as to appear on a loveseat with Nancy Pelosi. The two speakers, conservative and Democrat.
It is true there was no shortage in the seventies and there is no shortage now as to our own supplies. Other developing countries such as China and India are using more and more. It seems like it would be important to Americans to become independent of foreign oil. It will take some time to develop all the alternative sources, and as you say there is no shortage of oil.
I would advise people to conserve as much as they can, whether on gas for their vehicles or other things they consume. One thing that would prevent the price from dropping is the taxes on the gas. Our semis are beating the roads to death in times when they can afford to run them. Here in town our streets are kept up with the tax money from the citizens. It so happens we live near the city works depot. Daily their equipment is run over a blacktop surface that is barely 2 inches thick.(I'm not saying they can do anything else), but most of the guys drive this equipment too fast which creates a bouncing effect and more wear and tear. The street is fairly new. They had to do a portion of it over again within a week because of this foolish speed and bouncing of the big equipment.
Sorry to get off the gas price thing, but some of the problems are often caused by our own selves.
If you are referring to me as being a sheep, you don't know me and I guess that's a good thing.
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| My opinion, Christ's opinion, McCain's opinion, Both have said they did not think it would bring the price of gas down. There is no oil shortage like they claimed back in the 70s. So if there is no shortage why do we all of the sudden need to drill for new Oil? Profit and using the gas price situation to bluff their way into drilling where they can't. Bluffing the SHEEP who believe every thing their party spits out. Must be nice to go through life letting some one else think for you. Letting a party decide what your opinion will be. Last edited on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 02:11 pm by 4string
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| Horner, What political affiliation would you say I have chosen? Since we don't get into the voting booth with anyone, unless they tell you, there is only one way to guess. You can tell by what people say, by what they and their organizations do, etc. You wanted to prove something by listing the certain campaign contributions, but you want to call Ciphered's "only interesting".
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Don't know why the poem "Little Jack Horner" keeps coming to mind, your name isn't even Jack, is it? Thought I would trade you some bs.
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Ciphered wrote:Typical...
Interesting -- but what does it have to do with ownership of TV stations? The fact is that the three major networks are not all owned by Democrats, as was claimed by someone who says he knows bs when he sees it.
I was hardly proclaiming anything "sinister", just establishing a fact.
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Don Horner wrote: ABC is owned by Disney. which donated $640K to GW Bush.
NBC is owned by General Electric, which donated $1.1 Million to GW Bush.
CBS is owned by Viacom, whose CEO is Sumner Redstone. Based on his contributions, Redstone is a Democrat.
One out of three is pretty poor shooting.
Fox is owned by Rupert Murdoch, a declared and avowed conservative.
Typical. Those are contributions to the 2000 campaign - after too long a reign by Clinton. And you didn't show the whole list. Here's more below. (These are 8 year old numbers!) And if you check the list for the Democratic candidate that year you will see many of these same companies on the list. The implication that you are trying to make is simply baseless. A contribution to a political campaign doesn't mean that anyone is "in the pocket" of the candidate. It simply means that they support what they believe that candidate stands for - or they contribute to several campaigns, even opponents, for the opportunity to encourage supporters of those candidates to use their product or services. It's an American way of life and means nothing sinister, as you would have us believe.
MBNA $3.0m (stop using the credit card!)
Philip Morris $2.9m (better switch brands of smokes; oops, Reynolds is on the list too.)
Microsoft $2.4m (turn off that computer)
AT&T $2.4m (there go the phones, since Verizon and Bell South are here, too)
UPS $2.3m (better switch to Fed Ex - nope, they are here, too)
Bristol Myers Squibb $2.1m (better go with herbs and leaves - Pfizer is here!)
Verizon $2.0m
Pfizer $1.9m
SBC $1.9m
Enron $1.8m
Citigroup $1.8m
Federal Express $1.7m
Time Warner/AOL $1.6m
Credit Suisse $1.6m
Ernst & Young $1.5m (dump your CPA and buy TurboTax - all the big firms are here)
UST $1.5m
Morgan Stanley Dean Witter $1.5m (lot of investment firms here - hide it under the mattress.)
Lockheed Martin $1.5m
Union Pacific $1.5m
Freddie Mac $1.4m
Bell South $1.4m
Glaxo Wellcome $1.3m
Amway $1.3m
Price W'house Coopers $1.3m
Deloite & Touche $1.3m
Eli Lily $1.3m
Goldman Sachs $1.2m
Anderson W'wide $1.2m
Merrill Lynch $1.2m
Exxon Mobil $1.2m
WorldCom Inc $1.2m
Lehman Brothers $1.1m
International Paper $1.1m
General Electric $1.1m
Global Crossing $1.1m
MGM Mirage $1.1m
Koch $1.0m
Aflac $1.0m (Oh no, the annoying duck. Wish that lizard was here, too.)
Paine Webber $1.0m
American $1.0m
Financial Gp
Boeing $1.0m
Southern Co $1.0m
Ltd Inc $950k
BP Amoco $950k
KPMG $900k
Am'can Airlines $900k
Schering Plough $900k
Brown & Williamson $880k
Bank Pharmacia/Upjohn $850k
One $850k
Qwest $850k
Anheuser Busch $850k
Cintas Corp $828k
MandalayResort Gp $810k
Lehman Bros $810k
Reynolds Tobacco $810k
Fannie Mae $800k
Bank of America $800k
American Int Gp $800k
GAF $800k
Chevron Texaco $800k (Isn't this the guy that is PO'd at Bush)
Paso $790k
CSX $770k
Burlington North $770k
General Dynamics $750k
American $740k
Home Prods
Joseph Seagram $740k
PepsiCo $720k
Chase Manhatten $700k
FPL Group $685k
Dominion Resources $680k
Prudential $900k
USX Corp $650k
Northwest Airlines $650k
Aventis $650k
First Energy $640k
Reliant Energy $640k (a Texas company - but FPL is here too)
Walt Disney $640k
WalMart $630k (and K-Mart and Home Depot, too - here goes local shopping)
Cisco Systems $630k
Texas Utilities $630k
AEI Resources $630k
Westwood One $620k
Amgen $600k
K Mart $590k
UAL Corp $570k
Home Depot $560k
Duchossois Inds $550k
Archer Daniels Midland $530k
Edison Int'l $530k
Ford $510k (buy a Honda - all the domestic auto guys are here.)
General Motors $510k
Daimler Chrysler $500k
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Don Horner wrote: ABC is owned by Disney. which donated $640K to GW Bush.
NBC is owned by General Electric, which donated $1.1 Million to GW Bush.
CBS is owned by Viacom, whose CEO is Sumner Redstone. Based on his contributions, Redstone is a Democrat.
One out of three is pretty poor shooting.
Fox is owned by Rupert Murdoch, a declared and avowed conservative.
I'm not sure their contributions are a reflection of their political affiliation, especially if they contributed "back when".
We all know GE is doing business with Iran. In a way that's contributing, so I wonder what that says about party affiliation. Aren't the Democrats the ones that want to "talk" to the jerk, Ahmadinejab(sp)? Gee, we don't want them to have a bad opinion of us or anything.
You can tell by the reporting (or lack of it) which way they lean. Disney's stance on gays and allowing the big mouth Rosie O'Donnell, who is not funny, to continue on as long as she did is very representative of their leanings.
Maybe the sights on your own gun need adjusting.
BTW, did anybody hear the news that on July 4th, over 1200 American soldiers RE-enlisted? Their oaths took place in one of Husseins palaces. It was very touching to hear them all in unison, declaring their oath to defend our country. Probably I should check Snopes on this, maybe it didn't really happen. If it was on ABC, CBS or NBC, I missed it.
Now I will wait for the replies about how we should not have demolished those beautiful palaces(yes I have actually heard this). Don't know if this ceremony took place anywhere near the rape room of his dopey sons. They all three are where they belong now.
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mikeswords94 wrote: The article about N Dakota is a lesson to be learned. It states it's the biggest oil find but how much has the price come down? They have been drilling there for a while.How long is a while? And why was this article NOT "plastered all over the news"?It was on national news guess you missed it. Because they want to drill in the gulf? Our refineries can't keep up with the present oil production excluding N Dakota.That is why they are building a massive refinery in the Dakotas If you want to help notify you elected officals you want speculation of oil to stop.Yes ,that too and conserve. Also new vehicles that don't use gas (electric ,hydro and the sort) But first a foremost we need to rid ourselves of being at the mercy of foreign oil,the rest will come soon I hope.As far as no problems in the gulf so far that would be a YET. One spill and the beeches would be ruined.
Funny how no one mentioned the court ruling that EXON will have to pay less agian what the courts ruled. Residents of Alaska screwed agian! And this case has been going on over a decade. So if that happened here who do you think would pay? If you say the feds where do you think they get their money from.
This spill was caused by a drunken ships Captain not drilling or pumping and hopefully ,the last drunken Captain.
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ABC is owned by Disney. which donated $640K to GW Bush.
NBC is owned by General Electric, which donated $1.1 Million to GW Bush.
CBS is owned by Viacom, whose CEO is Sumner Redstone. Based on his contributions, |