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OkeeNarnie wrote: I thought we burried this dead thread as a totally lost cause....
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I thought we burried this dead thread as a totally lost cause....
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 09:55 pm |
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| If they want to have an alliance, fine. I just woudn't like it associated with the high school. I would rather my grandchildren weren't put in a position to be influenced by it.
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| Read the paper yesterday that they have to eliminate all non=curricular clubs for this not to happen.... as narrow minded as this town is they will do that just to keep it from happening,,,, its a shame people of today have to be so narrow minded
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My friend you are so very correct. Neither does this beating of the now dead horse. All we succeed in doing is to continue to give the GSA it's much adored publicity.
So I am done posting on this dead thread.
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Posted: Tue Aug 5th, 2008 11:09 pm |
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OkeeNarnie wrote:
They should have taken a poll of the parents of the students currently at the school last year when it all started. No one cared what the parents of the kids at the school or the community at large wanted.
Who? The school board? They backed the administration in denying the request to have a GSA. Who are you wanting to blame here? Polling the parents would not have made a difference.
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cheryl birgholtz wrote: I don't see where anything has been planted in any one's face. GSA stands for Gay Straight Alliance. Just because the word Gay is posted first, does that mean they are pushing it in the faces of othersa? What if it said Straight Gay Alliance? I believe that this is a group of individuals who are tired of fighting for what they believe in. It is a group of not only gay individuals but also of straight individuals. Because you are Catholic, does that give me the right or any one else for that matter, to disrespect you you and bully you into coming over to the Baptist, Jewish, or any other faith of Christianity? Does it give any one the right to say that you are wrong and that I am right? All these individuals want is the right to be treated as a person with the same rights that any one else has. To claim these individuals are wrong in their choices is not for you or me to decide. The GSA was not started to promote sex education. It was started to promote tolerance. There are those individuals who are so narrow minded that they refuse to see the likenesses of human beings and only look for the differences. I choose to see that the GSA has the right to congregrate to promote to ALL teens that whether gay or straight, that they are only human beings and have just as much right to their freedom of speech as the next person. To promote friendship and comradery between students and their families is a courageoous thing for these students to try and achieve. If you don't want your child to attend this school then home school them. Better yet, send them to any school in this U.S. and see how many students in the next school are GLBT. To keep your children in your world and to not teach them of ALL the different cultures in this world is a great deficit to your child. That's like adopting a child and never telling them they are adopted. In the end, The child takes the stand that you have lied to them all of their lives. Remeber, children learn what they live. If they learn hatred, they hate. If they learn critism, they criticize. Because you are heterosexual does not protect your child from being homosexual. It is their choice.
Homosexuality is not a culture. Its lifestyle.
Which was more important? Holding the meetings or holding the meetings at the school? THAT is what aggrivated everyone. They could have just held their club away from the school and no one would have given a care. It wouldn't have gotton all the publicity and the negative feedback.
The reason this whole shmeal was started was that there were two sexuality confused teenagers who wanted to attend the prom as a couple and were told they were the same gender and could not be condidered a couple. If they were sold the tickets at the cheaper "Couple's Rate" then all kids who didn't have a date could just "couple up" and get cheaper tickets. THAT is why they were told no. It was all over the price of a dance ticket.
Up to that point there had been no major problems. Granted there were sexuality confused children having puppy love relationships just as there are hetrosexual children having puppy love relationships. Nothing earth shattering.
I still have no idea what these children think they are going to accomplish with this who schmeal anyway.
Children do not have the wisdom that will come as they age to handle and deal with the situations adults deal with every day. Children can be very mean and rude and it comes very naturally to them. The old addage that you are judged by the company you keep will certainly hold true as the children will be watching WHO attends the meetings, and then they will point fingers and pass rumors and it just won't be a happy time.
I stated before...they have made zero progress. They get to hold their meetings. Which because of all the hype may cause more problems. Nothing else has changed. If same gender individuals walk down the sidewalk holding hands or showing emotion for each other they will still get negative comments. Crossdressers will still look like they are dressed for Halloween. All they may have succeeded in accomplishing is to bring the topic's of homosexuality, bisexuality, transgender, transvestite, crossdressing to mention a few into the top 10 topics for discussion with very few positive comments shared. They may have also pushed all the homosexual's back closer to the closet door they have struggled to be out of for years.
They should have taken a poll of the parents of the students currently at the school last year when it all started. No one cared what the parents of the kids at the school or the community at large wanted.
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| i coulkdnt agree with you more, its nice to see other people tha tthink like i do!
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| I don't see where anything has been planted in any one's face. GSA stands for Gay Straight Alliance. Just because the word Gay is posted first, does that mean they are pushing it in the faces of othersa? What if it said Straight Gay Alliance? I believe that this is a group of individuals who are tired of fighting for what they believe in. It is a group of not only gay individuals but also of straight individuals. Because you are Catholic, does that give me the right or any one else for that matter, to disrespect you you and bully you into coming over to the Baptist, Jewish, or any other faith of Christianity? Does it give any one the right to say that you are wrong and that I am right? All these individuals want is the right to be treated as a person with the same rights that any one else has. To claim these individuals are wrong in their choices is not for you or me to decide. The GSA was not started to promote sex education. It was started to promote tolerance. There are those individuals who are so narrow minded that they refuse to see the likenesses of human beings and only look for the differences. I choose to see that the GSA has the right to congregrate to promote to ALL teens that whether gay or straight, that they are only human beings and have just as much right to their freedom of speech as the next person. To promote friendship and comradery between students and their families is a courageoous thing for these students to try and achieve. If you don't want your child to attend this school then home school them. Better yet, send them to any school in this U.S. and see how many students in the next school are GLBT. To keep your children in your world and to not teach them of ALL the different cultures in this world is a great deficit to your child. That's like adopting a child and never telling them they are adopted. In the end, The child takes the stand that you have lied to them all of their lives. Remeber, children learn what they live. If they learn hatred, they hate. If they learn critism, they criticize. Because you are heterosexual does not protect your child from being homosexual. It is their choice. Last edited on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 02:57 pm by cheryl birgholtz
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First the playing field will never be level between right and wrong. For that to happen everyone (or the vast majority) would have to agree that homosexuality is not wrong. For that to happen God's Holy Word would have to be cast aside, and that of course would never happen. (at least I pray it won 't)
I am not sitting in judgment on anyone who choses to live as you. Homosexuality has been around since biblical times. That is how we know it's wrong in the eyes of God. If it was something invented after the Bible was written we would be out of the loop on knowledge. I will leave judgement up to God. I will tell you its wrong. I will tell my kids and grandkids to stay clear of it because its wrong. That is my right.
The problem I personally have with this entire subject is the fact that your group has forced the community to acknowledge that you exist. You were not happy enough to just be different. You had to stand up on the highest rung on the ladder and shout. Hey Look Up Here. See Me? I Do Things Different. I Want To Make You Aware Of This And I Want You To Love And Respect Me BECAUSE I Am Different.
Homosexuals can be loved and are respected citizens of the community without using strong arm force to get it. People living your lifestyle have been respected for generations. NOT because they are Gay but for what they have done with their lives. No One Gives A Rats A$$ who you sleep with, OR if you sleep with anyone for that matter. It doesn't matter if your Heterosexual or Homosexual, personal relationships belong at home not on the street, not on the front page of the newspaper, and not in school.
This is not a big city with several high schools. We are still small in comparison. Let's hope 10 years from now we don't have people trying to live down their association with your infamous club. Just because you fought the law have meetings allowed doesn't say the community at large will be as accepting of your lifestyle. Same gender people walking down the sidewalk holding hands or showing other emotion for each other will still draw the same negative responses. Cross dressers will still look like they are going to Halloween parties. Nothing has changed. All you have managed to do is to bring Homosexuality to the top of the list of topics for discussion, and very few positive comments are made. Now you can respond that this is because the people in Okeechobee are living in the past, that we have small minds or that our morals and values are wrong for todays world. Thats ok, I like my morals and values and I choose to live with them the way they are.
Your groups insistence to cram the subject down the throats of the rest of the community has only brought the negative and hostile feelings back to the front and possibly pushed the homosexual lifestyle back closer to the closet door. You should have taken a poll locally, are you sure the homosexuality community here in Okeechobee really wanted to be the center of attention. Or have you chosen to make that decision for them? I didn't hear of any groups of local homosexuals marching the courthouse here in support of your group.
There is nothing you can say that will change my mind. No one asked the community what we thought of your group coming here. I think we know why they didn't.
1. they didn't care what we thought
2. they knew we wouldn't want it
You have made zero progress. It is like placing a strip club next to the Baptist Church...its diversity is not going to be embraced.
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In response to OkeeNarnie:
"The point of any “alliance” type organization is to level the playing field with the dominant group."
As you quoted me in your post, that statement is the ultimate goal. As far as "dominating the sexual playground," heterosexuality still controls
how sex is represented.
As far as my soap box and saying "the same goes for an ethnic minority having power over white people," it's humorous to propose that an ethnic minority has any power over whites and that was the point in bringing it up. There has been much more done in the way of bringing equal rights and privileges to ethnic minorities than has been for homosexuals. Given the additional time to work on that problem, the disparity between the ethnic minorities and the majority is still immense even though progress has been made.
I'm not special. I'm attempting to bring coherent, intelligent arguments from my point of view that are backed by a plethora of research. Also, federal judges are appointed for life. The whole basis for our judicial system is judges being as far from the public as possible. The goal is to remove the public opinion from legal decisions.
"But you do not have the right to want to control the rest of the people who believe what your doing is evil and against God. If you want to live that way, your a smart person, research and find a country that doesn't have Christianity as its roots and go there."
I have no desire to control anyone. I want people to live prosperous lives with happiness and self-determination. General Christian principles were used in the founding of this country. Some of them really help support the idea of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You do have to realize that while they included some aspects of Christianity while founding the country, many of the "Founding Fathers" were actually anti-organized religion. Jefferson actually wrote "I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent."
Attempting to stop a GSA from forming takes a mighty big step towards control versus allowing it to exist. If you disallowed it, you are making decisions for others. If you allow it to exist, those that do not wish to take part have the ability to not participate.
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Okeenarnie....I was raised in a Catholic household, and my Mother always told me that if I truly believed and felt in my heart what I was doing was a sin, be it mortal or venial , then it was and for that I needded to ask God's forgiveness..... So I guess we all have different views on asking for forgiveness and meaning it.......
I try to live my life as if each day was my last-- meaning I do no harm to others and respect other peoples religious beliefs, sexual preferences , lifestyles etc...... I have a full plate and try not to spend so much time trying to find fault with other people and how they choose to live their lives...In the end , I guess what I am trying to say is that each of us are responsible for our own souls and redemption when the time comes... I respect your views on the GSA topic , although I may not always agree with your point of view it does not interfere with my ability to call you FRIEND....
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| And, the ignorance runs rampant yet again....
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OkeeNarnie
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(a quote from below) US society is a white dominated, patriarchal, heterosexist one among other things. Oppression is power plus prejudice. While there are prejudiced people in every group, minority groups do not have the power. The point of any “alliance” type organization is to level the playing field with the dominant group. So, until the homosexual population has the power to dominate the straight population, there is no worry of straight concerns being marginalized. The same goes for an ethnic minority having power over white people.
.....So if we are to look upon your posts as a source for correct information...you are telling us that it is the ultimate goal of the GSA, or maybe the Gay community nationwide to become so omni important and have the power to dominate the sexual playground in the United States of America?
With regards to your remark about ethnic minority having power over white people... Who do you think you are trying to stand on a soap box and blah blah crap like that? You are not on the same level with the Great Speakers from history who used that platform regardless of what your dreams are.
Personally I feel that although members of our community had opinions on rather or not we wanted the group you have a connection with to meet at OUR school or not we didn't make enough noise in the right or enough places. Had we marched as a group to the court house and voiced our thoughts on the subject you might not be wagging your flag thinking you are something special. Which your not.
Living the lifestyle as a homosexual, bisexual, trans sexual. Believing one is trans-gender. Transvestite. Is wrong acording to the Christian doctrine. Its sin. Personally I believe God is forgiving, some people don not believe that when it comes to this. If one commits a sin and then ask's for forgivness with a pure clean heart (meaning one honestly regrets having committed the sin) God will forgive them. BUT there is a stipulation there. One cannot get up tomorrow and continue the sinful way or commit it again, and then ask forgivness every day for the same thing and expect God to byt into that. The sin has to be put down and left behind and then the sinner goes forward.
No person can serve God and live a sinful life and expect gratificiation. (A great happy long life, Answers to prayers, etc...)
If people choose to live sinful lifestyles that go directly against the teaching of God after having been told the error of their ways it's their choice. That is why humans were given that Free Will. the right to choose a path.
Now if you and your fellow followers think the above is hog wash... you need to consider this as well. This country, the United States of America, you call home was built on the principles of faith and the belief in Christianity. Because you are here in the United States you have the freedom to live as you wish. But you do not have the right to want to control the rest of the people who believe what your doing is evil and against God. If you want to live that way, your a smart person, research and find a country that dosen't have Christianity as its roots and go there.
Now if your going to tell me you go to a Christian Church and your Pastor says what your doing with your life, the lifestyle you have chosen to live in is ok with God I want his or her name please. MY Pastor would love to have a discussion about this.
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cheryl birgholtz wrote: I have lived in several cities across the U.S. and this has been my experience as to GLBT. While in Sacramento,Ca. I worked in a very nice restaraunt/lounge that catered primarily to the GLBT population. I am a heterosexual married woman. I catered weddings before the law was in effect for them to wed. While in Seattle,WA. I cleaned private homes. My clientele was primarily GLBT. While in San Antonia,TX I woked for an upscale restaraunt that catered to all walks of life including GLBT. While in San Francisco, I was invited to several lucrative parties that were hosted by GLBT. I have several friends who are GLBT from my travels and still keep in touch with all of them. These people are human. I They strive for the same things in life that the rest of us do. The only difference is the way they prefer to live sexually. There are domestic batteries, homicides, pedophiles, homeless, alcoholics, drug addicts, and the list goes on ad infititum in the GLBT society. It makes no difference whether you are white, black or GLBT, we all still have the same lawlessness that some of the rest of the population shares. To categorize the GLBT because they choose a sexual preference is not right. They should be able to have the same rights that we as heterosexuals have. The right to protect themselves from discrimination. The right to bear arms. The right to free speech. The right to vote. The right to join the Armed Services. It is downright disgusting that they are treated different because of their preferences. If this were a boy's club or a woman's club, someone would say it isn't right because the opposite sex is not allowed to participate. I am a pretty good judge of character and choose to be around people who are law abiding citizens. It is not against the law to be GLBT. It is a sin as far as the Bible goes. I myself have a God of my own understanding and I don;'t believe that God wanted me to be a judge. Only God has the right the right to judge. I love them all, whether they are GLBT, Black, White, Yellow, etc. How they choose to live there life is none of my business unless it affects me personally or harmfully. I say, it's agreat day in Okeechobee when all of the people here can accept people for who and what what they stand for. Not for their sexual preference. I also YAHOO to the GSA for their fight to continue their rights to protect themselves and to give others experience, strength and hope. The experience to know that they are not alone. The strength to stand up and fight for what they believe in. And the hope that maybe someday they will be treated as human beings and not animals.
I don't think anyone thinks they are less than human and I am sure that there are those that live different lives than the ones I have been around. I am sure there are straight people that live different lives than I have seen. It many be nothing more than my livestyle is different for a Hollywood celeb. I was only relating things that have made feel the way I do because I was asked. I still don't think the GSA belongs in the schools as it is a sexual choice, even if they aren't discussing sex or hooking up. I don't believe that sex education the way I perceive it is being taucht belngs in the schools. I don't want someone showing my grandchildren how to use a condom.
I still believe the GSA wasn't as tolerant of others as they want others to be of them. Why wasn't the suggestion of the schoolboard enough to start with. I still feel that it was because they had to get it out there GAY.
Change doesn't happen immediately, it happens slowly and people tend to plant their feet when someone pushes something in their faces. Things could have been esed in and who knows people just might have had a different opinion. One never knows as it is to late now.
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| The use of gay is similar to our use of man. “Man is a species that breast feeds his young.” Obviously, we are including females under the term man even though man means a male most of the time. It’s a similar nuance. Gay is a homosexual male, but it’s also a term used to describe homosexuals in general.
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okeegator wrote: flsr wrote: Initials, initials. Will someone please spell out the reference to GLBT. I suppose it would be too much trouble to refer to it spelled out in the first reference. I got this GSA sh*t figured out, and can only suppose GLBT refers to other deviant behaviors.
gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender
Thank you. I wonder why they have to refer to lesbians twice. Aren't they "gay"?
Are we supposed to understand that "gays" mean the boy gays?
Oh well if they don't know what the hell they are themselves I guess I won't worry about it, but at least I can usually guess who plays the boy and who plays the girl.
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flsr wrote: Initials, initials. Will someone please spell out the reference to GLBT. I suppose it would be too much trouble to refer to it spelled out in the first reference. I got this GSA sh*t figured out, and can only suppose GLBT refers to other deviant behaviors.
gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender
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| Initials, initials. Will someone please spell out the reference to GLBT. I suppose it would be too much trouble to refer to it spelled out in the first reference. I got this GSA sh*t figured out, and can only suppose GLBT refers to other deviant behaviors.
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okeegator wrote: Meems wrote: Never saw a straight man flaming either. Ever heard of a metro-sexual? They are out there.
The "Governator" is a flamer?
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| I have lived in several cities across the U.S. and this has been my experience as to GLBT. While in Sacramento,Ca. I worked in a very nice restaraunt/lounge that catered primarily to the GLBT population. I am a heterosexual married woman. I catered weddings before the law was in effect for them to wed. While in Seattle,WA. I cleaned private homes. My clientele was primarily GLBT. While in San Antonia,TX I woked for an upscale restaraunt that catered to all walks of life including GLBT. While in San Francisco, I was invited to several lucrative parties that were hosted by GLBT. I have several friends who are GLBT from my travels and still keep in touch with all of them. These people are human. They strive for the same things in life that the rest of us do. The only difference is the way they prefer to live sexually. There are domestic batteries, homicides, pedophiles, homeless, alcoholics, drug addicts, and the list goes on ad infititum in the GLBT society. It makes no difference whether you are white, black or GLBT, we all still have the same lawlessness that some of the rest of the population shares. To categorize the GLBT because they choose a sexual preference is not right. They should be able to have the same rights that we as heterosexuals have. The right to protect themselves from discrimination. The right to bear arms. The right to free speech. The right to vote. The right to join the Armed Services. It is downright disgusting that they are treated different because of their preferences. If this were a boy's club or a woman's club, someone would say it isn't right because the opposite sex is not allowed to participate. I am a pretty good judge of character and choose to be around people who are law abiding citizens. It is not against the law to be GLBT. It is a sin as far as the Bible goes. I myself have a God of my own understanding and I don;'t believe that God wanted me to be a judge. Only God has the right the right to judge. I love them all, whether they are GLBT, Black, White, Yellow, etc. How they choose to live there life is none of my business unless it affects me personally or harmfully. I say, it's agreat day in Okeechobee when all of the people here can accept people for who and what what they stand for. Not for their sexual preference. I also YAHOO to the GSA for their fight to continue their rights to protect themselves and to give others experience, strength and hope. The experience to know that they are not alone. The strength to stand up and fight for what they believe in. And the hope that maybe someday they will be treated as human beings and not animals.
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Meems wrote:
I have to lalugh when you say Republicans like everyone is the same. I have never seen a flaming Republican.
Ever heard of the "Log Cabin" Republicans?
I have never seen a flalming NRA member
I definately haven't seen the southern states flaming I laughed out loud at that one. A southern accent on a gay man makes him sound even more gay. Flamboyant gay men from the South are en fuego compared to Northern gay men.
Never saw a straight man flaming either. Ever heard of a metro-sexual? They are out there.
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Meems wrote:
I have to lalugh when you say Republicans like everyone is the same. I have never seen a flaming Republican.
Ever heard of the "Log Cabin" Republicans?
I have never seen a flalming NRA member
I definately haven't seen the southern states flaming I laughed out loud at that one. A southern accent on a gay man makes him sound even more gay. Flamboyant gay men from the South are en fuego compared to Northern gay men.
Never saw a straight man flaming either. Ever heard of a metro-sexual? They are out there.
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Here are is a website that explains a misconception. http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_molestation.html It defines pedophilia and hebephilia then explains their relationship to homosexuality in a very thorough way.
There is a gay agenda. I will freely attest to that. The agenda is to get the same legal privileges as heterosexuals and to bring an end to hate crimes and discrimination. To think there is a gay agenda to recruit straight children is ludicrous.
Flamboyancy is an interesting aspect of some gay men. It upsets gender norms. Real men should never be feminine. Humans like dichotomies. Dichotomies make things easy to digest. Black and white. This or that. There is no grey. If a man isn't acting masculine they must, therefore, be a woman, or woman-like. Patriarchal societies don’t like having men exhibiting feminine traits. To do so is to transcend the very clear line between the dominant and the subordinate. It is to assume weaker qualities. A man who would willingly do this is a error in the system to be ostracized and humiliated with the goal of getting them to act all manly. If you have some time look up the “Act Like a Man Box” by Paul Kivel. Boys are fags, sissies, and momma’s boys if they do not fit this narrow view of what masculinity is. Being a flaming homo is purposely going across the line as a statement to show that they are not conforming to this gender norm.
Being flamboyant at one point was a rebellious act of a counterculture. Now it has been commercialized. It may still be offensive to some, but it is rather profitable to others. Need to look stylish? Flamboyant Gay Guy has the advice you need. Straight woman with guy problems? Flamboyant Gay Guy can assist in that as well. It’s similar to what happened to hip-hop culture. What was once a means of expression is corporatized and is no longer counterculture but supports the establishment it originally went against.
Meems is entirely correct in saying that you never see a flaming Republican or NRA member. If you saw a flaming one, you would not be seeing them as a Republican, you would see a gay man. On a side note, see how this assumes that Republicans and NRA members are men? Until its qualified as something else, we think someone is white, heterosexual, male, able-bodied, middle class, etc.
If you look for them you will find stereotypical members of any group whether they are flamboyant gay men, butch lesbians, toothless Southern yokels, Republicans who only support big business, NRA members who have more firearms on their person than Rambo, or straight men who only care about their cars and drink beer. Unless a person overtly states or shows what group they belong to the observer would never know, but they would assume they fall into the dominant group.
Anecdotal evidence from my personal experience is that very few gay men are flamboyant. Just as the same experience shows that very few straight men are Al Bundy from Married With Children.Last edited on Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 05:55 am by MediocreSamaritan
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Let me start a new post here as I didn't reply to some of the things you posted but please read my reply at the bottom of the original post.
I have to lalugh when you say Republicans like everyone is the same. I have never seen a flaming Republican.
I have never seen a flalming NRA member
I definately haven't seen the southern states flaming
Never saw a straight man flaming either.
Marriages are expressly between a man and woman. Partenerships are between gays and perhaps lifetime friends who live together. I am all for them having partenership rights, for insurance purposes emergencies etc. I don't see any flames in this either.
Please tell me how you think this is in your face flaming? I suppose you think I am flaming.
Yes gays can be like normal people I am not denying that at tll but when they let it all hang out the are all or all the ones I have known over the years the same. I have never met a gay who doesn't act like this at one time or another.
You know I started out years ago with a very open mind but they chose to abuse the friendship I offered by getting in my face and just trying to see how outrageous they could be and enough is enough.
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P.VanTassell wrote: Meems wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: Meems wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: Meems wrote: Zarawer wrote: Meems wrote: Zarawer wrote: flsr wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: Pied piper wrote: Mediocre stated..."They are not discussing sex acts". How does anyone know
what they are talking about? This is a sad world we live in now.
I have been to meetings.
Don't be ignorant.
This is a club promoting tolerance and the general well-being of its members.
Its not a perverted romp through Sodom and Gomorrah.
OK-----I haven't been to the meetings, but from all the information conveyed, the gays are trying to promote tolerance by the straights, of their perverted romps through Sodom and Gomorrah.
Ma'am, you are about as smart as 2 box of rocks. Your ignorance is astounding.
Please explain general well being to me.
What do you mean "general well being"? If you ask 40 people that question you would get 40 different answers. What's the point?
Your definition of tolerance is?
Where is the tolerence from the gays for the straights. I don't see that. Tolerence would have been accepting what the school board offered but instead they insisted by boing to court that it be a gay based club as the name states. The gays are expecting the straights to do all the giving and changing and when you get the ACLU involved it is definately pushing things in peoples faces and showing no tolerence at all. There wayor no way and they FORCED it to be their way
You can't possibly be serious.
That isn't tolerance it is giving up, it is submission, it is bullying at the political level.
No GSA - No clubs or sports at all.
Its only fair.
What have the gays ever done to you?
Wait a minute here...Who is doing the bulling here. The school board isn't the one who forced themselves into something.........It was GSA and the ACLU who did the bulling
Honey I have been closely associated with gays for over 40 years. While my sister is not gay her best friend is. I have tolerated him and his friends all this time and I find that while I respect him and his friends as human beings I can't stand their sexual preferences. Tall know they can't suprise me with any of their actions, I am amune by now but they still try. Theey can be so flaming and in your face that I just want to throw up but I say nothing and I do nothing. I believe this is called tolerence. They try to use these soft fake female voices and their hand movements are absurd.
You go ahead an tell me about tllerence and ask me what have they done to me.
I could write a fricking book on gays and how they behave and what their agenda is. I know all this doesnot apple to every gay but those that don't flame use that soft voice thing and the linp wrist at some time. The way they walk and the way they talk, maybe not as teens but as adults.
I believe that 40 plus years qualifies me to voice how I see things.
If they weren't so in your face things might be different. They need to try just moving slowly. Change takes time, it can't be forced by the GSA or th ACLU
This isn't a qualification race.
You have not only disputed your tolerance of gays by your own words you have outright bashed them.
Lets take a hypothetical. "Hey, I know this black guy who just bugs the crap out of me, always with the yo,yo,man and rap music. And trust me, I know blacks, my sister knows a black guy."
See how knowing someone who knows someone doesn't qualify you as walking in their shoes.
They don't "flame" to annoy you, that is their lifestlye. I should be using the word Acceptance instead of Tolerance. Tolerance still gets people killed.
You aren't old enough yet to know that tolerance does not mean you have to like someone.
I am not speaking from I know someone who knows someone. I know them like I know my family. Honey I am very close with my sister and when she comes over she always has a few friends with her. gay friends
Maybe this will help you understand something. I am not being hypothetical when I vouice my opinion. I have a son whom I love very much, I would give my life for him but a few years I dispised who he hed become but that did not change my love. It did change how I felt about my grandchildren being around him or my being around him. I turely dispised him and his choices in his life.
As you say flaming is a way of life for gays. I am sorry but I feel it is an in your face attitude and I have never seen a straight person flaunting that they were straight have you?
That guy was a Pedophile, not a Homosexual.
"I've never seen a straight person flaunting that they were straight have you?"
Here comes a list...
Republicans
NRA Members
The Southern States
Men
Anyone Against Gay Marriage
Any why is it that your sister can be friends with gays but you can only barely associate with them.
Also the gay pride parade is a very large party the point of it is to go all out and have a good time. Laughter will also accompany a party.
First we are two completely different people. She was friends with 2 of them since she was 8 years and before they came out so to speak
No he was no Pedophile nor are their friends to my knowledge
I am aware the gay parade is all fun and good times and I am not talknng about gay pride parades. I am talking this happens just because they want to see if they can shock you in some way. One of these men has been in my home many times and even spent the night, when he is here with out his friends he can be as sweet as anyone but even he flames because he thinks it is cute.
Let me tel you of a couple of things that have happened just out of the blue. One being in a mall in Jacksonville with my sister and my 3 small children, we intentionally sat away from others so the kids would not be irritating to anyone as they were streatching their legs from the strollers and up come two cross dressere, transvestites, I am just not sure and of all the places they could have sat they tookthe table right next to use and put on quite a show. My kids were there was that approiate?
When we were at the U of F they often had outdoor concerts and we liked to take the kids as it gave us a cheap night out. Bring a blanket, a little food, some drinks and just sit back and enjoy the music. Well one night these two men brought their blanket and sat sort of in front of us and next to us. We just went on watchng the concert until they started feeling each other up and even going so far that one of them ran their hand down the others pants. When we got up to leave they laugher and ask what was the matter. Three young children were there isn't that just lovely.
Here's a good one for you. I once went with my sister to visit a couple of her gay friends who were partners. While there one of them reached under the couch and brought a bong shaped like a mans penis the opening for you to toke on being the tip. It was lit and handed to me. I just returned it and again I was laughed at.
How much would you take before forming an opinion? I took more than my share.
My sister was just of the era in the 70s where drugs were real popular and homosexuals were coning out of the closit like flies. Sused as many of her friends and so not to much bothered her at the time. Now her friends are her choice as her exposure was different and yet she will jump in a minute when they start flalming and trying to act like women and it is an act as not woman acts they way they do.
I choose to tollerate my sisters friends because she is my sister and the only family I have left except my children and husband and if tolerating her friends is what it takes to keep us together this is what I will do. It doesn't mean I have to agree with it nor does it mean I have to like it. I can love them as the human being they are but I do not have to like who they are.
Does this make it any clearer to you as to why I might feel the way I do. Forty plus years of tolerence and taunting.
I might say that this seems to be the norm as every new one I meat is the same way. In your face, trying the shock thing
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Sounds like pvt is an activist. You can guess for who.
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Meems wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: Meems wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: Meems wrote: Zarawer wrote: Meems wrote: Zarawer wrote: flsr wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: Pied piper wrote: Mediocre stated..."They are not discussing sex acts". How does anyone know
what they are talking about? This is a sad world we live in now.
I have been to meetings.
Don't be ignorant.
This is a club promoting tolerance and the general well-being of its members.
Its not a perverted romp through Sodom and Gomorrah.
OK-----I haven't been to the meetings, but from all the information conveyed, the gays are trying to promote tolerance by the straights, of their perverted romps through Sodom and Gomorrah.
Ma'am, you are about as smart as 2 box of rocks. Your ignorance is astounding.
Please explain general well being to me.
What do you mean "general well being"? If you ask 40 people that question you would get 40 different answers. What's the point?
Your definition of tolerance is?
Where is the tolerence from the gays for the straights. I don't see that. Tolerence would have been accepting what the school board offered but instead they insisted by boing to court that it be a gay based club as the name states. The gays are expecting the straights to do all the giving and changing and when you get the ACLU involved it is definately pushing things in peoples faces and showing no tolerence at all. There wayor no way and they FORCED it to be their way
You can't possibly be serious.
That isn't tolerance it is giving up, it is submission, it is bullying at the political level.
No GSA - No clubs or sports at all.
Its only fair.
What have the gays ever done to you?
Wait a minute here...Who is doing the bulling here. The school board isn't the one who forced themselves into something.........It was GSA and the ACLU who did the bulling
Honey I have been closely associated with gays for over 40 years. While my sister is not gay her best friend is. I have tolerated him and his friends all this time and I find that while I respect him and his friends as human beings I can't stand their sexual preferences. Tall know they can't suprise me with any of their actions, I am amune by now but they still try. Theey can be so flaming and in your face that I just want to throw up but I say nothing and I do nothing. I believe this is called tolerence. They try to use these soft fake female voices and their hand movements are absurd.
You go ahead an tell me about tllerence and ask me what have they done to me.
I could write a fricking book on gays and how they behave and what their agenda is. I know all this doesnot apple to every gay but those that don't flame use that soft voice thing and the linp wrist at some time. The way they walk and the way they talk, maybe not as teens but as adults.
I believe that 40 plus years qualifies me to voice how I see things.
If they weren't so in your face things might be different. They need to try just moving slowly. Change takes time, it can't be forced by the GSA or th ACLU
This isn't a qualification race.
You have not only disputed your tolerance of gays by your own words you have outright bashed them.
Lets take a hypothetical. "Hey, I know this black guy who just bugs the crap out of me, always with the yo,yo,man and rap music. And trust me, I know blacks, my sister knows a black guy."
See how knowing someone who knows someone doesn't qualify you as walking in their shoes.
They don't "flame" to annoy you, that is their lifestlye. I should be using the word Acceptance instead of Tolerance. Tolerance still gets people killed.
You aren't old enough yet to know that tolerance does not mean you have to like someone.
I am not speaking from I know someone who knows someone. I know them like I know my family. Honey I am very close with my sister and when she comes over she always has a few friends with her. gay friends
Maybe this will help you understand something. I am not being hypothetical when I vouice my opinion. I have a son whom I love very much, I would give my life for him but a few years I dispised who he hed become but that did not change my love. It did change how I felt about my grandchildren being around him or my being around him. I turely dispised him and his choices in his life.
As you say flaming is a way of life for gays. I am sorry but I feel it is an in your face attitude and I have never seen a straight person flaunting that they were straight have you?
That guy was a Pedophile, not a Homosexual.
"I've never seen a straight person flaunting that they were straight have you?"
Here comes a list...
Republicans
NRA Members
The Southern States
Men
Anyone Against Gay Marriage
Any why is it that your sister can be friends with gays but you can only barely associate with them.
Also the gay pride parade is a very large party the point of it is to go all out and have a good time. Laughter will also accompany a party.
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P.VanTassell wrote: flsr wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: Pied piper wrote: Mediocre stated..."They are not discussing sex acts". How does anyone know
what they are talking about? This is a sad world we live in now.
I have been to meetings.
Don't be ignorant.
This is a club promoting tolerance and the general well-being of its members.
Its not a perverted romp through Sodom and Gomorrah.
OK-----I haven't been to the meetings, but from all the information conveyed, the gays are trying to promote tolerance by the straights, of their perverted romps through Sodom and Gomorrah.
What have the gays ever done to you that makes you hate them so?
I have mentioned before that I do not hate them, but that I can get close to hate when they try to recruit, which is another thing you tolerants do not believe is happening.
I will give you an example of one of their attempts at recruiting. Several of my children had dishwashing jobs at a restaurant 8 miles from our home. An elderly friend of ours whose wife worked there, that he transported back and forth, also provided a ride for our young children. There was a cook there at the restaurant who decided to chummy up to my son, about 14 or 15, giving him a shirt etc. It came about that he wanted my son to go home and stay overnight with him. I said "no". My son said "why not"? I said I don't know, you're just not going that's all. We did not have cell phones back in '74 but I had normal gut feelings, and something just wasn't right about the entire situation. We later learned that this guy was definately homosexual. If I had been stupid enough to let my boy go home with him he would have ruined his life.
Another incident with my grandson, who got a job after graduation and was "befriended" by this PERSON who enticed him to run off to California with him. His dad rarely hears from him. He has called crying that he is sick. My son tells him he can come home but must abide by the house rules. Evidently he chooses not to. We don't know where he is or if he's alive or not.
Now, I UNDERSTAND as long as I read these forums I am certainly going to have to read about TOLERANCE POLICIES. I also wish you would take note of a post of mine where I stated that not all gays do all of these things
I also find your statements about the gays wanting tolerance and understanding a wee bit contradictory to your statements about the gay pride bs in Key West being hilarious etc.
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P.VanTassell wrote: Meems wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: Meems wrote: Zarawer wrote: Meems wrote: Zarawer wrote: flsr wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: Pied piper wrote: Mediocre stated..."They are not discussing sex acts". How does anyone know
what they are talking about? This is a sad world we live in now.
I have been to meetings.
Don't be ignorant.
This is a club promoting tolerance and the general well-being of its members.
Its not a perverted romp through Sodom and Gomorrah.
OK-----I haven't been to the meetings, but from all the information conveyed, the gays are trying to promote tolerance by the straights, of their perverted romps through Sodom and Gomorrah.
Ma'am, you are about as smart as 2 box of rocks. Your ignorance is astounding.
Please explain general well being to me.
What do you mean "general well being"? If you ask 40 people that question you would get 40 different answers. What's the point?
Your definition of tolerance is?
Where is the tolerence from the gays for the straights. I don't see that. Tolerence would have been accepting what the school board offered but instead they insisted by boing to court that it be a gay based club as the name states. The gays are expecting the straights to do all the giving and changing and when you get the ACLU involved it is definately pushing things in peoples faces and showing no tolerence at all. There wayor no way and they FORCED it to be their way
You can't possibly be serious.
That isn't tolerance it is giving up, it is submission, it is bullying at the political level.
No GSA - No clubs or sports at all.
Its only fair.
What have the gays ever done to you?
Wait a minute here...Who is doing the bulling here. The school board isn't the one who forced themselves into something.........It was GSA and the ACLU who did the bulling
Honey I have been closely associated with gays for over 40 years. While my sister is not gay her best friend is. I have tolerated him and his friends all this time and I find that while I respect him and his friends as human beings I can't stand their sexual preferences. Tall know they can't suprise me with any of their actions, I am amune by now but they still try. Theey can be so flaming and in your face that I just want to throw up but I say nothing and I do nothing. I believe this is called tolerence. They try to use these soft fake female voices and their hand movements are absurd.
You go ahead an tell me about tllerence and ask me what have they done to me.
I could write a fricking book on gays and how they behave and what their agenda is. I know all this doesnot apple to every gay but those that don't flame use that soft voice thing and the linp wrist at some time. The way they walk and the way they talk, maybe not as teens but as adults.
I believe that 40 plus years qualifies me to voice how I see things.
If they weren't so in your face things might be different. They need to try just moving slowly. Change takes time, it can't be forced by the GSA or th ACLU
This isn't a qualification race.
You have not only disputed your tolerance of gays by your own words you have outright bashed them.
Lets take a hypothetical. "Hey, I know this black guy who just bugs the crap out of me, always with the yo,yo,man and rap music. And trust me, I know blacks, my sister knows a black guy."
See how knowing someone who knows someone doesn't qualify you as walking in their shoes.
They don't "flame" to annoy you, that is their lifestlye. I should be using the word Acceptance instead of Tolerance. Tolerance still gets people killed.
You aren't old enough yet to know that tolerance does not mean you have to like someone.
I am not speaking from I know someone who knows someone. I know them like I know my family. Honey I am very close with my sister and when she comes over she always has a few friends with her. gay friends
Maybe this will help you understand something. I am not being hypothetical when I vouice my opinion. I have a son whom I love very much, I would give my life for him but a few years I dispised who he hed become but that did not change my love. It did change how I felt about my grandchildren being around him or my being around him. I turely dispised him and his choices in his life.
As you say flaming is a way of life for gays. I am sorry but I feel it is an in your face attitude and I have never seen a straight person flaunting that they were straight have you?
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Meems wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: Meems wrote: Zarawer wrote: Meems wrote: Zarawer wrote: flsr wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: Pied piper wrote: Mediocre stated..."They are not discussing sex acts". How does anyone know
what they are talking about? This is a sad world we live in now.
I have been to meetings.
Don't be ignorant.
This is a club promoting tolerance and the general well-being of its members.
Its not a perverted romp through Sodom and Gomorrah.
OK-----I haven't been to the meetings, but from all the information conveyed, the gays are trying to promote tolerance by the straights, of their perverted romps through Sodom and Gomorrah.
Ma'am, you are about as smart as 2 box of rocks. Your ignorance is astounding.
Please explain general well being to me.
What do you mean "general well being"? If you ask 40 people that question you would get 40 different answers. What's the point?
Your definition of tolerance is?
Where is the tolerence from the gays for the straights. I don't see that. Tolerence would have been accepting what the school board offered but instead they insisted by boing to court that it be a gay based club as the name states. The gays are expecting the straights to do all the giving and changing and when you get the ACLU involved it is definately pushing things in peoples faces and showing no tolerence at all. There wayor no way and they FORCED it to be their way
You can't possibly be serious.
That isn't tolerance it is giving up, it is submission, it is bullying at the political level.
No GSA - No clubs or sports at all.
Its only fair.
What have the gays ever done to you?
Wait a minute here...Who is doing the bulling here. The school board isn't the one who forced themselves into something.........It was GSA and the ACLU who did the bulling
Honey I have been closely associated with gays for over 40 years. While my sister is not gay her best friend is. I have tolerated him and his friends all this time and I find that while I respect him and his friends as human beings I can't stand their sexual preferences. Tall know they can't suprise me with any of their actions, I am amune by now but they still try. Theey can be so flaming and in your face that I just want to throw up but I say nothing and I do nothing. I believe this is called tolerence. They try to use these soft fake female voices and their hand movements are absurd.
You go ahead an tell me about tllerence and ask me what have they done to me.
I could write a fricking book on gays and how they behave and what their agenda is. I know all this doesnot apple to every gay but those that don't flame use that soft voice thing and the linp wrist at some time. The way they walk and the way they talk, maybe not as teens but as adults.
I believe that 40 plus years qualifies me to voice how I see things.
If they weren't so in your face things might be different. They need to try just moving slowly. Change takes time, it can't be forced by the GSA or th ACLU
This isn't a qualification race.
You have not only disputed your tolerance of gays by your own words you have outright bashed them.
Lets take a hypothetical. "Hey, I know this black guy who just bugs the crap out of me, always with the yo,yo,man and rap music. And trust me, I know blacks, my sister knows a black guy."
See how knowing someone who knows someone doesn't qualify you as walking in their shoes.
They don't "flame" to annoy you, that is their lifestlye. I should be using the word Acceptance instead of Tolerance. Tolerance still gets people killed.
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P.VanTassell wrote: Meems wrote: Zarawer wrote: Meems wrote: Zarawer wrote: flsr wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: Pied piper wrote: Mediocre stated..."They are not discussing sex acts". How does anyone know
what they are talking about? This is a sad world we live in now.
I have been to meetings.
Don't be ignorant.
This is a club promoting tolerance and the general well-being of its members.
Its not a perverted romp through Sodom and Gomorrah.
OK-----I haven't been to the meetings, but from all the information conveyed, the gays are trying to promote tolerance by the straights, of their perverted romps through Sodom and Gomorrah.
Ma'am, you are about as smart as 2 box of rocks.&nb | | |