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Posted: Thu Jul 31st, 2008 01:20 pm |
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flsr wrote:People whose chemical balance of female/male hormones is so closely balanced should receive medical help. People (homosexuals) who want to recruit, should stop. these are the ones I can get closest to hating.
Are you saying that homosexuals need medical help? Are you saying that they recruit people to become gay with them? If you answer yes to both, then we know the one who has an imbalance.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31st, 2008 10:16 am |
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Firefly1958 wrote: I agree with you 100% ,but if you do then your accused of Hate and discrimination.
Our fore"mothers" used to tell us to consider the source and think nothing of it. We can't worry about their accusations.
You can explain and explain about why you don't want your children around this activity, but they will insist and insist again that you are full of hate. You can explain that your belief is to love the sinner but hate the sin. You can refer to the Bible which tells that men lying with men is one of the six things the Lord "doth" hate, but then the argument is "well why did he make them that way"? or they don't accept the Bible as a guide for us.
People whose chemical balance of female/male hormones is so closely balanced should receive medical help. People (homosexuals) who want to recruit, should stop. these are the ones I can get closest to hating.
Also, all of these activities are not practiced by all homosexuals. We straights already know that homosexuals have jobs, are among us everywhere, either with or without our knowledge. Some want to stay among themselves and some want to invade Catholic church services. Because we in the straight world object, does not mean we are ignorant. Another Bible quote "let the wicked one be wicked still". We may as well. We can't stop them anyway, but we do have a right to protect our children, no matter what the ACLU thinks. I believe home schooling is a good answer to a lot of these problems. If we are not going to be allowed to control the environment in the schools then they don't deserve the state allowance for the student. Of course their answer will be to screw us for higher school taxes.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31st, 2008 03:21 am |
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Meems wrote: Well in someone missing the point of my post we sure did get into a whole different discussion.
The point I was trying to make was that if you don't like something then stand up and say so, do something.
No one did anything and thus prayer WAS taken out of our schools and Public places. I didn't say there was no prayer NOW in schools just that a law was passed and yes I know that kids and teachers pray in schools etc.
This has nothing to do with if you can pray or not, it is about standing up for your beliefs
Here is not the only place you should be voicing your opinions but most probably won't. Just like the prayer thing, let someone else do it but you will go on discussing it and voicing your concerns and time goes by. I am not saying anything other than if you feel strongley about something then speak up and do it loudly Speak up and speak out.
I agree with you 100% ,but if you do then your accused of Hate and discrimination.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31st, 2008 03:16 am |
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Well in someone missing the point of my post we sure did get into a whole different discussion.
The point I was trying to make was that if you don't like something then stand up and say so, do something.
No one did anything and thus prayer WAS taken out of our schools and Public places. I didn't say there was no prayer NOW in schools just that a law was passed and yes I know that kids and teachers pray in schools etc.
This has nothing to do with if you can pray or not, it is about standing up for your beliefs
Here is not the only place you should be voicing your opinions but most probably won't. Just like the prayer thing, let someone else do it but you will go on discussing it and voicing your concerns and time goes by. I am not saying anything other than if you feel strongley about something then speak up and do it loudly Speak up and speak out.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31st, 2008 03:12 am |
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OkeeNarnie wrote: I am not sure how old you are. I am 56. I'm gonna be 55 too darn soon In elementary school we sat at our desks. Roll was called. Our teacher read a scripture. We said the Lords Prayer (in unison). We stood and said the pledge of Allegiance to the US Flag. We sang one verse of America. Then we began class. What we did at the start of school was no different then what had been done for generations. Some of my schooling was done in Parochial school. You haven't SEEN prayer like that.  Later on, I shifted to Public School and experienced much of what you speak. But as I recall back in 1965 most everybody looked like...........me.
Fast forward to 2004 when my youngest son entered High School in Maine. Are you aware of how many Afghans there are living in Maine? I was set back  Now, let's imagine all gathering together to say the Lords Prayer and sing God Bless America with a substantial amount of Muslims.......
The first time my son saw one of his classmates on a prayer rug outside the school he was more than a tad baffled, so he called Dad and asked what's up with that.
4 years later, the Class has graduated (as a class) and no one in his group thinks anything of it.
I guess what I'm saying is that times change, we either evolve or die. No one is saying we should deny God, but Government Sponsored Worship is the last thing I want anywhere 
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Posted: Thu Jul 31st, 2008 02:51 am |
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OkeeNarnie wrote: okeegator wrote: Kids pray at school everyday as do teachers. Nearly every morning there are kids out at the flag pole saying a prayer at the beginning of school.
Yes, the Supreme Court removed official prayers from public schools and rightfully so. Prayer is a personal form of worship and communication with God. Public schools should not be in the business of having official prayers. Read the First Amendment people!
Why would I want a government institution directing my children on religion and how to pray?
I am not sure how old you are. I am 56. In elementary school we sat at our desks. Roll was called. Our teacher read a scripture. We said the Lords Prayer (in unison). We stood and said the pledge of Allegiance to the US Flag. We sang one verse of America. Then we began class. What we did at the start of school was no different then what had been done for generations. And I repeat that it is not the place of public (government-run) schools to be involved in promoting religion. Why would you want your children being taught religious principles by the government? I take you as a conservative and I always thought conservatives didn't like government interference in our lives.
What happened was Madelyn Murray O'Hair got a wild hair across her back side and got signatures to stop praying in school. No one believed it would ever happen. This country is based on faith. It was built on faith by people who placed their faith at the for-front of their lives. Everyone prayed. It was not just Madelyn Murray. There was another case in a year before (Engel v Vitale) and others since (Wallace v Jaffree) that have prevented government run schools from getting involved in religion. Was everyone required to pray?
God is acknowledged in carvings on courthouses and government buildings. His presence is on our currency. When times get hard for us we cry out to him. But there are people who say prayer was "rightfully" removed from our schools?
And we can still cry out to him inside and outside of school. Schools are not allowed to do it, despite seeing it in government elsewhere, because children are more impressionable than adults, according to the Supreme Court.
If we had never taken prayer from our schools. The world would be a better place today. Morals and values wouldn't have been lost from the past 3 generations. Kids that didn't live them at home at least learned about them at school. That is rather simplistic. Comments like that take our eyes off of the real problems that have nothing to do with prayer in schools. I would argue that the breakdown of the traditional family is the biggest reason for our failures.
The quote below I think shows the mentality of the woman who set out on a mission to change the world.
'Religion has caused more misery to all men in every state of human history then any other single idea."
"No God ever gave any man anything, nor ever answered a prayer at any time -- nor ever will"
- Madelyn Murray O'Hair (1919 - 1995)
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Posted: Thu Jul 31st, 2008 02:35 am |
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okeegator wrote: Kids pray at school everyday as do teachers. Nearly every morning there are kids out at the flag pole saying a prayer at the beginning of school.
Yes, the Supreme Court removed official prayers from public schools and rightfully so. Prayer is a personal form of worship and communication with God. Public schools should not be in the business of having official prayers. Read the First Amendment people!
Why would I want a government institution directing my children on religion and how to pray?
I am not sure how old you are. I am 56. In elementary school we sat at our desks. Roll was called. Our teacher read a scripture. We said the Lords Prayer (in unison). We stood and said the pledge of Allegiance to the US Flag. We sang one verse of America. Then we began class. What we did at the start of school was no different then what had been done for generations.
What happened was Madelyn Murray O'Hair got a wild hair across her back side and got signatures to stop praying in school. No one believed it would ever happen. This country is based on faith. It was built on faith by people who placed their faith at the for-front of their lives. Everyone prayed.
God is acknowledged in carvings on courthouses and government buildings. His presence is on our currency. When times get hard for us we cry out to him. But there are people who say prayer was "rightfully" removed from our schools?
If we had never taken prayer from our schools. The world would be a better place today. Morals and values wouldn't have been lost from the past 3 generations. Kids that didn't live them at home at least learned about them at school.
The quote below I think shows the mentality of the woman who set out on a mission to change the world.
'Religion has caused more misery to all men in every state of human history then any other single idea."
"No God ever gave any man anything, nor ever answered a prayer at any time -- nor ever will"
- Madelyn Murray O'Hair (1919 - 1995)
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Posted: Thu Jul 31st, 2008 02:26 am |
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I couldn't resist. As a rule I usually don't pick on spelling, grammar, lack of sentence structure, etc. in a public forum but that was just to good to pass up given how some here morphed the clubs purpose into a sex based club.
Good posts on your part too. It is amazing how many see only sex and perversion in this argument and totally miss the point it is about equality.
If some of these parents only realized the confusion they may be creating in their kids heads as they are being taught by their parents to hate someone based solely on their sexuality who may in fact be a friend of theirs.
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Meems wrote: Sitting back and doing nothing got prayer taken our of our schools and public places and those that succeeded in doing this were a very small group of people. Prayer in public schools is legal and one cannot go to jail for praying at school. While some courts allowed student prayers from the podium at graduation exercises, a federal appellate court in Houston ruled in 1999 that the recent controversy has revolved around prayer at school athletics events.
Guidance was provided by the Supreme Court in Santa Fe Independent School Dist. v. Doe [2000] when it upheld a lower court ruling invalidating prayers conducted over the public address system prior to high school games at state school facilities before a school-gathered audience.
Those in favor of sponsored prayer in state schools publicly often say that "prayer" is forbidden in state schools. Prayer is not and never has been forbidden. Regarding the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment, the courts have consistently ruled that students' expressions of religious views through prayer or otherwise cannot be abridged unless they can be shown to cause substantial disruption in the school. Don't kid yourself when you want live and let live because it won't happen that way. Homosexuals are flamboyant and in your face. Nest will come bondfire. I've found that "most" of the time the outlandish ones are this way to achieve a "goal" Take away that incentive and usually the "flaming" fades away. Generally speaking, we all just want to be treated as equals. There will be trouble at school, that you can take to the bank. I'd like to not borrow problems, let's tackle the ones we have. If it occurs, deal with it then. It is truely scary and we need to pray harder than ever that things don't get out of hand. We all have our own methods of coping, if it works for you have at!
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Posted: Thu Jul 31st, 2008 02:15 am |
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| I don't believe these people should be taunted, hated, or anything like that. I believe the whole issue is about whether these meetings should be on school grounds or not. They should not be and neither should any religious meetings. People have homes to gather in. I believe I read that there were from 5 to 20 in attendance at the GSA meetings. If Yasmine's home wouldn't accomodate that many, surely her friends would help her find an appropriate meeting place. People usually attend meetings of interest to them without wanting to make a big show of it and otherwise rub it under everyones nose. The expense of the school having to pay all those legal fees must give "Yasmine" a real sense of victory and accomplishment. She paid back all of the taxpayers for some things that a relative few said to her.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31st, 2008 02:11 am |
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flteacher wrote: Meems wrote: Not all schools and not pubically like it use to be. I should have made myself clearer
pubically - sex on the brain? Sticking with the Okeechobee School system the group "Fellowship of christian athletes" was specially mentioned in the ACLU argument that other non curriculum groups were allowed to meet and the GSA was not.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31st, 2008 02:10 am |
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Meems wrote: Not all schools and not pubically like it use to be. I should have made myself clearer
pubically - sex on the brain? Sticking with the Okeechobee School system the group "Fellowship of christian athletes" was specially mentioned in the ACLU argument that other non curriculum groups were allowed to meet and the GSA was not.
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Meems wrote: okeegator wrote: Meems wrote: Icare wrote: I find it odd that so many people feel so strongly about homosexuality. There seems to be so much bitterness and hatred. Why is it so hard to just allow them to live their lives in a fashion that makes them happy. Why must we try to dictate how they should conduct their lives when it has absolutely nothing to do with us? I like to live by the old philosophy: Live and let live.
Sitting back and doing nothing got prayer taken our of our schools and public places and those that succeeded in doing this were a very small group of people.
Don't kid yourself when you want live and let live because it won't happen that way. Homosexuals are flamboyant and in your face. Nest will come bondfire.
There will be trouble at school, that you can take to the bank.
It is truely scary and we need to pray harder than ever that things don't get out of hand.
There is prayer in school!
Not all schools and not pubically like it use to be. I should have made myself clearer
Kids pray at school everyday as do teachers. Nearly every morning there are kids out at the flag pole saying a prayer at the beginning of school.
Yes, the Supreme Court removed official prayers from public schools and rightfully so. Prayer is a personal form of worship and communication with God. Public schools should not be in the business of having official prayers. Read the First Amendment people!
Why would I want a government institution directing my children on religion and how to pray?
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Posted: Thu Jul 31st, 2008 02:03 am |
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okeegator wrote: Meems wrote: Icare wrote: I find it odd that so many people feel so strongly about homosexuality. There seems to be so much bitterness and hatred. Why is it so hard to just allow them to live their lives in a fashion that makes them happy. Why must we try to dictate how they should conduct their lives when it has absolutely nothing to do with us? I like to live by the old philosophy: Live and let live.
Sitting back and doing nothing got prayer taken our of our schools and public places and those that succeeded in doing this were a very small group of people.
Don't kid yourself when you want live and let live because it won't happen that way. Homosexuals are flamboyant and in your face. Nest will come bondfire.
There will be trouble at school, that you can take to the bank.
It is truely scary and we need to pray harder than ever that things don't get out of hand.
There is prayer in school!
Not all schools and not pubically like it use to be. I should have made myself clearer
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Icare wrote: I find it odd that so many people feel so strongly about homosexuality. There seems to be so much bitterness and hatred. Why is it so hard to just allow them to live their lives in a fashion that makes them happy. Why must we try to dictate how they should conduct their lives when it has absolutely nothing to do with us? I like to live by the old philosophy: Live and let live.
I am aware there have been people who are Homosexual, Bisexual, Transsexual, Trans-Gender, Cross dressers, Transvestite out there for ever. They lived their lives and didn't flaunt themselves. I don't go around saying to the world, make a big deal about me and how I live. Whoopie do! We are now forced to let children play these lifestyles. These are not even adults! We should be saying...put it away. Focus on your studies. Get your education. Behave yourselves. Keep it in your britches. Just say NO. when you are out on your own embrace all the diversity you want. For now, embrace your parents and your grandparents and be a kid!
Its not like it's the Homosexual, Bi-Sexual, or Trans-Gender Adults in the community are marching on Chamber of Commerce. These are kids, and the kids are now in charge! They have the ACLU and the courts behind them as they tell us what they will do.
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| Do you realize that this group met last year many times without incident. Several teachers who post here said that the students didn't seem to care and went about their business as usual. I suspect the same will happen again. By the way, parents do have to sign a form allowing their children to participate in any club at all the school sites.
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Meems wrote: Icare wrote: I find it odd that so many people feel so strongly about homosexuality. There seems to be so much bitterness and hatred. Why is it so hard to just allow them to live their lives in a fashion that makes them happy. Why must we try to dictate how they should conduct their lives when it has absolutely nothing to do with us? I like to live by the old philosophy: Live and let live.
Sitting back and doing nothing got prayer taken our of our schools and public places and those that succeeded in doing this were a very small group of people.
Don't kid yourself when you want live and let live because it won't happen that way. Homosexuals are flamboyant and in your face. Nest will come bondfire.
There will be trouble at school, that you can take to the bank.
It is truely scary and we need to pray harder than ever that things don't get out of hand.
There is prayer in school!
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Icare wrote: I find it odd that so many people feel so strongly about homosexuality. There seems to be so much bitterness and hatred. Why is it so hard to just allow them to live their lives in a fashion that makes them happy. Why must we try to dictate how they should conduct their lives when it has absolutely nothing to do with us? I like to live by the old philosophy: Live and let live.
Sitting back and doing nothing got prayer taken our of our schools and public places and those that succeeded in doing this were a very small group of people.
Don't kid yourself when you want live and let live because it won't happen that way. Homosexuals are flamboyant and in your face. Nest will come bondfire.
There will be trouble at school, that you can take to the bank.
It is truely scary and we need to pray harder than ever that things don't get out of hand.
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Meems wrote: okeegator wrote: Bilgerat wrote: Firefly1958 wrote: Bilgerat wrote: Firefly1958 wrote: flteacher wrote: OkeeNarnie wrote: Boy this old standard sure fits today.....
Well There Goes The Neighborhood!
Not only do I not agree with your statement I challenge you to make an argument for how allowing a few students to meeting on school grounds during afternoon hours, under the watchful eye of an adult advisor and adhering to existing policies for school clubs justifies your claim "Well There Goes The Neighborhood".
Could it be teacher that most Parents/taxpayers don't support this behavior that most taxpayers don't cheer queers that most taxpayers don't want this meeting happening around ,about school where there is impressionable minds eager for something new to try.I do not agree with this at all and along with everything else the school has gone to hell in a hand basket with teacher like you and the aclu leading the parade
And now those taxpayers are going to pay AGAIN
Guys and Gals, for the love of anything you hold dear wake up
This is now the 21st century, not the 1800's.
Just how much money are you willing to keep paying (or rather, losing)? The funds that were squandered trying to unlawfully shut this down could have gone to many good thing in the School System or other needful things.
But you don't cheer queers, you just feed the damn lawyers. And they are the only ones profiting from this 
Bilgerat ,I change my mind on something but never on accepting this as a normal .The great thing about this is they don't reproduce!
And acceptance is your choice.
But what we as a Community have to do is to decide whether active hate and isolationism is what we want to teach our children.
The choice is ours to make, for me hate is not one I would choose.
Well said, Bilgerat. Its one thing to not agree with the lifestyle, but hateful language helps no one.
It is not about kids being able to have a club on school campus, it's about what next. it is about what the Okeechobee society wants for their children
And the point is that hate should not be one of the things we teach our kids. The type of response to others that have a lifestlye with which one does not agree is a measure of one's character. You don't have to like it, but hate is not right. Last edited on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 01:56 am by okeegator
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I find it odd that so many people feel so strongly about homosexuality. There seems to be so much bitterness and hatred. Why is it so hard to just allow them to live their lives in a fashion that makes them happy. Why must we try to dictate how they should conduct their lives when it has absolutely nothing to do with us? I like to live by the old philosophy: Live and let live.
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okeegator wrote: Bilgerat wrote: Firefly1958 wrote: Bilgerat wrote: Firefly1958 wrote: flteacher wrote: OkeeNarnie wrote: Boy this old standard sure fits today.....
Well There Goes The Neighborhood!
Not only do I not agree with your statement I challenge you to make an argument for how allowing a few students to meeting on school grounds during afternoon hours, under the watchful eye of an adult advisor and adhering to existing policies for school clubs justifies your claim "Well There Goes The Neighborhood".
Could it be teacher that most Parents/taxpayers don't support this behavior that most taxpayers don't cheer queers that most taxpayers don't want this meeting happening around ,about school where there is impressionable minds eager for something new to try.I do not agree with this at all and along with everything else the school has gone to hell in a hand basket with teacher like you and the aclu leading the parade
And now those taxpayers are going to pay AGAIN
Guys and Gals, for the love of anything you hold dear wake up
This is now the 21st century, not the 1800's.
Just how much money are you willing to keep paying (or rather, losing)? The funds that were squandered trying to unlawfully shut this down could have gone to many good thing in the School System or other needful things.
But you don't cheer queers, you just feed the damn lawyers. And they are the only ones profiting from this
Bilgerat ,I change my mind on something but never on accepting this as a normal .The great thing about this is they don't reproduce!
And acceptance is your choice.
But what we as a Community have to do is to decide whether active hate and isolationism is what we want to teach our children.
The choice is ours to make, for me hate is not one I would choose.
Well said, Bilgerat. Its one thing to not agree with the lifestyle, but hateful language helps no one.
It is not about kids being able to have a club on school campus, it's about what next. it is about what the Okeechobee society wants for their children
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flteacher wrote: OkeeNarnie wrote: Boy this old standard sure fits today.....
Well There Goes The Neighborhood!
Not only do I not agree with your statement I challenge you to make an argument for how allowing a few students to meeting on school grounds during afternoon hours, under the watchful eye of an adult advisor and adhering to existing policies for school clubs justifies your claim "Well There Goes The Neighborhood".
First I could give a rats ass if you or anyone disagrees with how I feel about my town's high school being forced/strong-armed legally into allowing a "Club" for kids who are sexually confused. (Children are not advanced emotionally or physically enough to determine if they are truely homosexual, bi-sexual trans-gender or simply confused about their sexuality. For pete's sake they are in puberty their hormones are running rampant!) Watchful eye of their advisor? What kind of rules do you think they have to follow? They aren't following the rules. We had rules, they went to court and made the school throw the rules out. I think they should have parents written permission to join this club.
You challenge me? Well first..none of the existing rules regarding clubs on campus are worth the paper they are written on as this club BREAKS all the rules. We are a town that teaches Abstinence with it comes to sex. ANY sexual encounter. Now the school is forced to embrace this diversity and acknowledge Homosexuals, Bisexuals, Transvestites, Tran-Genders and say Hey ya'll are welcome here. Let it all hang out!
Those that wish to flaunt their "Divers Lifestyle" can now do so in our school. Where does the line get drawn? Does the line exist anymore?
What about during regular school hours? Have you researched the GSA Website? Do you see what the schools that are forced to allow this also get stuck with? They don't stop at the after school...it's all day long. They are going to point out they are different all day not just before or after school...and they now will have the ACLU standing behind them to make sure they are comfortable in their learning environment. If Billy wants to wear a dress and silky hose you will not be able to stop him. Do you think you can control a class when you have students dressed in a distracting way? I am speaking of a cross dressing students. It will be like Halloween every day! Do you think the students in the class will want to put up with it? Oh, I forgot were forced to embrace it...RIGHT!
After seeing what happened in another town with a student being killed for flaunting his sexuality after the GSA fought and was allowed to move into their school....I cannot believe it is being allowed here. Its a very sad day for this community.
I am sure the Pastors in Okeechobee will be speaking about this to the congregations and guiding the flock to maintain a watchful eye on their kids. I am hopeful the parents in this county have enough control over their kids to know where they are after school, and to know they are not hanging with the GSA.
I have already informed our kids...stay clear of the whole mess or I will kick their butts!
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Bilgerat wrote: Firefly1958 wrote: Bilgerat wrote: Firefly1958 wrote: flteacher wrote: OkeeNarnie wrote: Boy this old standard sure fits today.....
Well There Goes The Neighborhood!
Not only do I not agree with your statement I challenge you to make an argument for how allowing a few students to meeting on school grounds during afternoon hours, under the watchful eye of an adult advisor and adhering to existing policies for school clubs justifies your claim "Well There Goes The Neighborhood".
Could it be teacher that most Parents/taxpayers don't support this behavior that most taxpayers don't cheer queers that most taxpayers don't want this meeting happening around ,about school where there is impressionable minds eager for something new to try.I do not agree with this at all and along with everything else the school has gone to hell in a hand basket with teacher like you and the aclu leading the parade
And now those taxpayers are going to pay AGAIN
Guys and Gals, for the love of anything you hold dear wake up
This is now the 21st century, not the 1800's.
Just how much money are you willing to keep paying (or rather, losing)? The funds that were squandered trying to unlawfully shut this down could have gone to many good thing in the School System or other needful things.
But you don't cheer queers, you just feed the damn lawyers. And they are the only ones profiting from this
Bilgerat ,I change my mind on something but never on accepting this as a normal .The great thing about this is they don't reproduce!
And acceptance is your choice.
But what we as a Community have to do is to decide whether active hate and isolationism is what we want to teach our children.
The choice is ours to make, for me hate is not one I would choose.
Well said, Bilgerat. Its one thing to not agree with the lifestyle, but hateful language helps no one.
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Firefly1958 wrote: Bilgerat wrote: Firefly1958 wrote: flteacher wrote: OkeeNarnie wrote: Boy this old standard sure fits today.....
Well There Goes The Neighborhood!
Not only do I not agree with your statement I challenge you to make an argument for how allowing a few students to meeting on school grounds during afternoon hours, under the watchful eye of an adult advisor and adhering to existing policies for school clubs justifies your claim "Well There Goes The Neighborhood".
Could it be teacher that most Parents/taxpayers don't support this behavior that most taxpayers don't cheer queers that most taxpayers don't want this meeting happening around ,about school where there is impressionable minds eager for something new to try.I do not agree with this at all and along with everything else the school has gone to hell in a hand basket with teacher like you and the aclu leading the parade
And now those taxpayers are going to pay AGAIN
Guys and Gals, for the love of anything you hold dear wake up
This is now the 21st century, not the 1800's.
Just how much money are you willing to keep paying (or rather, losing)? The funds that were squandered trying to unlawfully shut this down could have gone to many good thing in the School System or other needful things.
But you don't cheer queers, you just feed the damn lawyers. And they are the only ones profiting from this
Bilgerat ,I change my mind on something but never on accepting this as a normal .The great thing about this is they don't reproduce!
And acceptance is your choice.
But what we as a Community have to do is to decide whether active hate and isolationism is what we want to teach our children.
The choice is ours to make, for me hate is not one I would choose.
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Bilgerat wrote: Firefly1958 wrote: flteacher wrote: OkeeNarnie wrote: Boy this old standard sure fits today.....
Well There Goes The Neighborhood!
Not only do I not agree with your statement I challenge you to make an argument for how allowing a few students to meeting on school grounds during afternoon hours, under the watchful eye of an adult advisor and adhering to existing policies for school clubs justifies your claim "Well There Goes The Neighborhood".
Could it be teacher that most Parents/taxpayers don't support this behavior that most taxpayers don't cheer queers that most taxpayers don't want this meeting happening around ,about school where there is impressionable minds eager for something new to try.I do not agree with this at all and along with everything else the school has gone to hell in a hand basket with teacher like you and the aclu leading the parade
And now those taxpayers are going to pay AGAIN
Guys and Gals, for the love of anything you hold dear wake up
This is now the 21st century, not the 1800's.
Just how much money are you willing to keep paying (or rather, losing)? The funds that were squandered trying to unlawfully shut this down could have gone to many good thing in the School System or other needful things.
But you don't cheer queers, you just feed the damn lawyers. And they are the only ones profiting from this
Bilgerat ,I change my mind on something but never on accepting this as a normal .The great thing about this is they don't reproduce!
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Firefly1958 wrote: flteacher wrote: OkeeNarnie wrote: Boy this old standard sure fits today.....
Well There Goes The Neighborhood!
Not only do I not agree with your statement I challenge you to make an argument for how allowing a few students to meeting on school grounds during afternoon hours, under the watchful eye of an adult advisor and adhering to existing policies for school clubs justifies your claim "Well There Goes The Neighborhood".
Could it be teacher that most Parents/taxpayers don't support this behavior that most taxpayers don't cheer queers that most taxpayers don't want this meeting happening around ,about school where there is impressionable minds eager for something new to try.I do not agree with this at all and along with everything else the school has gone to hell in a hand basket with teacher like you and the aclu leading the parade
And now those taxpayers are going to pay AGAIN
Guys and Gals, for the love of anything you hold dear wake up
This is now the 21st century, not the 1800's.
Just how much money are you willing to keep paying (or rather, losing)? The funds that were squandered trying to unlawfully shut this down could have gone to many good thing in the School System or other needful things.
But you don't cheer queers, you just feed the damn lawyers. And they are the only ones profiting from this
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flteacher wrote: OkeeNarnie wrote: Boy this old standard sure fits today.....
Well There Goes The Neighborhood!
Not only do I not agree with your statement I challenge you to make an argument for how allowing a few students to meeting on school grounds during afternoon hours, under the watchful eye of an adult advisor and adhering to existing policies for school clubs justifies your claim "Well There Goes The Neighborhood".
Could it be teacher that most Parents/taxpayers don't support this behavior that most taxpayers don't cheer queers that most taxpayers don't want this meeting happening around ,about school where there is impressionable minds eager for something new to try.I do not agree with this at all and along with everything else the school has gone to hell in a hand basket with teachers like you and the aclu leading the parade.Last edited on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 01:11 am by Firefly1958
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Here is what the outside world read about Okeechobee today.
American Civil Liberties Union officials said the school district has "argued everything from the old standby that gay people are child molesters to the argument that talking about being gay might turn straight students gay," said Robert Rosenwald, the lead counsel on the case for the Florida ACLU. "Thankfully, the court saw through this and agreed with us."
Gonzalez, who now attends Indian River Community College, has said she was plagued by discrimination as a lesbian trying to find her way in Okeechobee's small town of conservative values. One teacher told her homosexuals should die; kids hanging out the bus window would shout, "Are you the one that's gay?"
Our school district professionals tried to argue the point that "gay people are child molesters" in a court of law. A teacher at the high school told a student "homosexuals should die". The intolerance in these statements is palpable.
I easily see five principles of the state code of ethics violated in this case. Educational professional are governed professionally by the state not by the beliefs of the local school board and district officials.
- Shall make reasonable effort to protect the student from conditions harmful to learning and/or to the student's mental and/or physical health and/or safety.
- Shall not unreasonably deny a student access to diverse points of view.
- Shall not intentionally expose a student to unnecessary embarrassment or disparagement.
- Shall not intentionally violate or deny a student's legal rights.
- Shall not harass or discriminate against any student on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, age, national or ethnic origin, political beliefs, marital status, handicapping condition, sexual orientation, or social and family background and shall make reasonable effort to assure that each student is protected from harassment or discrimination.
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river rat13 wrote: Its a crying shame that the Alliance couldnt take no for an answer as far as having the meetings after school here in Okeechobee. Its a very sad day here for a lot of the parents and businees and community leaders here, The Alcu has made it know that they support it being held at the school. With the Alliance being at the school now, that will bring not only more trouble but will also sway students from their own choice for gender, preference and lifestyles have something forced on them that doesnt need to be, I sure as hell dont want Okeechobee ending up with what big metropolises have, more teen pregnancies, more gays and lesbians in our schools here! I grew up in a time when that was unheard of in school and besides i Thought school was to be about the fundamentals of education like reading, writing and arithmatic. I understand theres a lot of clubs and orginazations tha thave been in the school system for years, one in particular is the ROTC programs which i think is more important not only to the schools but also this country, thatsa very good organization to get involved in,, it not only teaches self discipline, but it also teaches respect, honor and dignity. If ya ask me, tey ought to take all the gays and stick them in the military, maybe that will deter them and their lifestyles and make normal people out of them. and yes i intend to fight this alliance every step of teh way including getting a petition signed by the parents, teachers and business owners and if i have to not only take it to the state board of education and the fl governers office but also all the way to the office of teh President of the United States if needed! and yes i do have children in teh Okeechobee County School system and maybe one day grandkids!
To me it is all about making themselves known. To stand out and boy will they stand out Homosexuals like to flame and this is all part of it, limp wrists and all
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flsr wrote: Well, now they will allow Jehovah's witnesses to conduct bible studies on school grounds. Fair is fair. And the American Civil Liberties Union will be there to fight for them. And Catholic mass can be held and a place provided for Muslim foot washing, There must also be some provision for Baptists and all the other denominations. The ACLU doesn't want to allow God to be spoken of, but all this can be.
Too many pages back to check, but I believe the judge's decision cited something about freedom of expression. Just how far will they be allowed to go now with their freedom of expression?
I take it you have no idea how the law works in regards to schools. Which topic should I cover first - religion, the rights of groups to meet, or freedom of expression in schools? Tell me flsr, because you and many others don't seem to get it.
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Its a crying shame that the Alliance couldnt take no for an answer as far as having the meetings after school here in Okeechobee. Its a very sad day here for a lot of the parents and businees and community leaders here, The Alcu has made it know that they support it being held at the school. With the Alliance being at the school now, that will bring not only more trouble but will also sway students from their own choice for gender, preference and lifestyles have something forced on them that doesnt need to be, I sure as hell dont want Okeechobee ending up with what big metropolises have, more teen pregnancies, more gays and lesbians in our schools here! I grew up in a time when that was unheard of in school and besides i Thought school was to be about the fundamentals of education like reading, writing and arithmatic. I understand theres a lot of clubs and orginazations tha thave been in the school system for years, one in particular is the ROTC programs which i think is more important not only to the schools but also this country, thatsa very good organization to get involved in,, it not only teaches self discipline, but it also teaches respect, honor and dignity. If ya ask me, tey ought to take all the gays and stick them in the military, maybe that will deter them and their lifestyles and make normal people out of them. and yes i intend to fight this alliance every step of teh way including getting a petition signed by the parents, teachers and business owners and if i have to not only take it to the state board of education and the fl governers office but also all the way to the office of teh President of the United States if needed! and yes i do have children in teh Okeechobee County School system and maybe one day grandkids!
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| shove a broom handle up his but and ask him how he feels now
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flsr wrote: Well, now they will allow Jehovah's witnesses to conduct bible studies on school grounds. Fair is fair. And the American Civil Liberties Union will be there to fight for them. And Catholic mass can be held and a place provided for Muslim foot washing, There must also be some provision for Baptists and all the other denominations. The ACLU doesn't want to allow God to be spoken of, but all this can be.
Too many pages back to check, but I believe the judge's decision cited something about freedom of expression. Just how far will they be allowed to go now with their freedom of expression?
I think you meant this part
Her lawsuit cites the 1984 federal Equal Access Act, which was initially pushed by evangelical Christians after some public schools banned after-school prayer meetings and other religious gatherings. It says that if a public school allows any extracurricular activities to meet on campus it must allow all groups to do the same.
And while the act was indeed started by Evangelicals, as you can plainly see it was read to state that all Groups be allowed, or none at all.
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Well, now they will allow Jehovah's witnesses to conduct bible studies on school grounds. Fair is fair. And the American Civil Liberties Union will be there to fight for them. And Catholic mass can be held and a place provided for Muslim foot washing, There must also be some provision for Baptists and all the other denominations. The ACLU doesn't want to allow God to be spoken of, but all this can be.
Too many pages back to check, but I believe the judge's decision cited something about freedom of expression. Just how far will they be allowed to go now with their freedom of expression?
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OkeeNarnie wrote: Boy this old standard sure fits today.....
Well There Goes The Neighborhood!
Not only do I not agree with your statement I challenge you to make an argument for how allowing a few students to meeting on school grounds during afternoon hours, under the watchful eye of an adult advisor and adhering to existing policies for school clubs justifies your claim "Well There Goes The Neighborhood".
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But everything here is just "Peachy Keen"
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Boy this old standard sure fits today.....
Well There Goes The Neighborhood!
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Thanks for the news and article links PVT & designdeva. I am glad to hear this club will be allowed to meet on school grounds.
Also, channel 12 is running teaser sound bites - they are covering the story at 6.
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THIS ONE IS FROM THE MIAMI HERALD...THE PREVIOUS POST WAS FROM THE TCPALM NEWSPAPER.................
Judge: Gay club can meet at Okeechobee high school By KELLI KENNEDY
Associated Press Writer
MIAMI — A school district in rural Florida must allow a Gay-Straight Alliance to meet on campus and must provide for the well-being of gay and straight students, a federal judge ruled, capping a nearly two-year legal battle over First Amendment rights.
Students do not "shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate," Judge K. Michael Moore said in a written ruling issued Tuesday night.
The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit on behalf of Okeechobee High School senior Yasmin Gonzalez in 2006 after the school principal said the club could not meet on campus. The school gave various arguments, claiming first there were too many clubs, and later that the school had an abstinence-only policy.
Moore said the school board failed to show that barring the club's "tolerance based message", was "caused by something more than a mere desire to |