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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 03:35 am |
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P.VanTassell wrote: Just got a text message from Yasmin.
It simply said "GSA Won".
More info soon.
GSA may have won this battle but they have a long way to go in teaching how to live daily lives as gays or lesbians. I guess mostly it is going to be the gays as they tend to be very flamboyant in nature when they come out of the closet
If they choose to dress like a woman they need to dress like an everyday woman not some drag queen. They don't have to shout it from the roof tops that they are gay and proud of it, people usually already know. There will also be crossdressers and crossdresser don't have to be gay, they just like to crossdress.
Most of the gays I know can really flame at times and it makes me want to slap them. are they trying to get something started or what I have been assoociated with gays for over 40 years in one way or another. My sisters best friend is gay and I have accepted him as being gay. He does sometimes flame but mostly as a joke to be funny. He dresses just like any other man and most people do not know he is gay.
There has bee quotes on here from the Bible and all have been right. God tells us that homosexuality is an abomination and that homosexuals will be punished for their wickedness. God also tells us to love the sinner but hate the sin. What this says to me is that God is going to take care of the sinner and that if I don't want to sin I will accept and love the sinner and curse the sin.
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Posted: Wed Jul 30th, 2008 02:23 am |
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Bilgerat wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: Just got a text message from Yasmin.
It simply said "GSA Won".
More info soon.
I wonder how that's gonna sit in "Bubba Land" 
Bubba should watch himself on school grounds but I bet he wonn't
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P.VanTassell
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 11:36 pm |
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Alright kids, here is what I'm getting.
The court just ruled in favour of the ACLU and the GSA (surprised? You wouldn't be if you looked up cases like these) and the School has to allow the kids to meet on campus or risk fines and contempt of court filings.
News: As It Happens
PCVT Broke The Story
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Bilgerat
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 11:32 pm |
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P.VanTassell wrote: Just got a text message from Yasmin.
It simply said "GSA Won".
More info soon.
I wonder how that's gonna sit in "Bubba Land"
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P.VanTassell
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Posted: Tue Jul 29th, 2008 11:29 pm |
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Just got a text message from Yasmin.
It simply said "GSA Won".
More info soon.
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OkeeNarnie
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Posted: Thu Jul 24th, 2008 02:21 pm |
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Humans will do what ever they want because we have a mind and free will to choose. This doesn't happen in the animal kingdom, each of the species in the animal kingdom live out their lives almost like they read a book of rules and they seldom if ever divert from it. Humans on the other hand have a different attitude. If it feels good, looks good, smells good, tastes good, sounds good, then lets try it. If we enjoyed it we just might try it again.
This would include all of our lives and all areas of the life we live. That is why we have guidelines, rules and laws regarding how we choose to live our lives. That free will gets humans in trouble all the time, and that is when the mind is supposed to take over.
Which ever way humans choose to live, every one makes the choice. Then we have to live with the choices we make and all of us have to live within the guidelines, rules and laws that are there to keep us from making too many problems for the rest of society.
Children sometimes get forgiven for errors they make as they grow up and learn, but not always are episodes forgotten. I remember a kid, he was from a pretty upstanding family, but at times his thinking was so far out in left field he was out of the stadium. He skipped one day and took a row boat and set out from the coast of NH to row across the Atlantic. Of course he was picked up by someone and brought back to the authorities but he was always remembered for that. He is dead now. On his headstone there is a small rowboat. Some episodes are never forgotten.
No matter what might be said, discussed or shown on films to kids they are just young humans and they will do what they want. It really makes no difference how its approached. We can tell them best sex, certainly the safest is NO sex. We can attest to the fact that the next best would be safe sex, where BOTH parties protect themselves. Birth control pills, day after pills, shots or implants and always condoms. We can openly discuss the consequences of the above. Birth control pills, shots and implants have possible side effects as does shoddy condoms or unsafe sex with no protection. Some side effects from using birth control can even be deadly in some cases. The other consequence of sex is pregnancy. That will change your life, as well as your parents, siblings and grandparents lives. It was once said it takes a village to raise a child. If your a child having a child it will take your whole family pulling together just to get through the 9 months of pregnancy. With or without the babies daddy and his family and the Federal and State Government programs. If you decide to keep the child it will take even more, but now it will be for life.
The only way to protect them to have tighter guidelines, rules and laws then adults have to follow, and enforce them with consequences for actions. They know and understand that every action brings about a re-action, and that every act of poor judgment bears a consequence. These requirements get them through childhood and hopefully make them better adults.
Dropping the rules, changing the guidelines, creating or changing laws to make what has always been unacceptable behavior perfectly normal and upstanding can't be the right thing to do.
There won't be any stopping point.
What will be considered bad or unacceptable behaviors? Nothing? Anything goes?
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FLA GIRL
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flteacher wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: FLTeacher, I was under the impression that you were a teacher in the Okeechobee County School System.
From now on I will have to admit that your credibility on Okeechobee School Issues is that of an observer and not of an insider.
Did you at some point mention that you didn't work here? Because most of your school related posts boast that you are a teacher....however, not from our dsitrict.
PVT, no I am not a teacher in the Okeechobee School System. I have stated this fact in many of my posts.
You are certainly entitled to admit to yourself whatever credibility you want to place on my point of reference. I don't have to be on the inside of the school system to state my opinions of the school system.
For example, the antiquated "abstinence only" policy is failing miserably as evidenced by the high number of girls getting pregnant. My daughter would have graduated with you in 2007 had she attended OHS. The number of her former classmates who got pregnant while in high school is astonishing. Expecting kids to not have sex just because the school told them not to is a kick back to the thinking of the 1950s.
If a parent does not want their kid in sex ed class that is their right. But for a school district to decide abstinence is the only policy when it comes to teen sex refusing to provide sexual health information, pregnancy and disease prevention to teens who have no other avenue to learn such information shows a careless attitude for these students future IMHO. If one set of teenagers uses the information presented in a sex ed class to prevent a pregnancy then the class has value. I agree with FLTEACHER, when I was in high school, it was the parents choice if you took sex ed or not it was part of your P.E. credit, if your parents chose not to have you go thru it you had a different P.E class as swimming, but also there again the 80`s kids are different than todays kids,
If the school doesnt do it , then most parents wont have that talk anymore, its a shame for the kids,
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 08:33 pm |
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P.VanTassell wrote: FLTeacher, I was under the impression that you were a teacher in the Okeechobee County School System.
From now on I will have to admit that your credibility on Okeechobee School Issues is that of an observer and not of an insider.
Did you at some point mention that you didn't work here? Because most of your school related posts boast that you are a teacher....however, not from our dsitrict.
PVT, no I am not a teacher in the Okeechobee School System. I have stated this fact in many of my posts.
You are certainly entitled to admit to yourself whatever credibility you want to place on my point of reference. I don't have to be on the inside of the school system to state my opinions of the school system.
For example, the antiquated "abstinence only" policy is failing miserably as evidenced by the high number of girls getting pregnant. My daughter would have graduated with you in 2007 had she attended OHS. The number of her former classmates who got pregnant while in high school is astonishing. Expecting kids to not have sex just because the school told them not to is a kick back to the thinking of the 1950s.
If a parent does not want their kid in sex ed class that is their right. But for a school district to decide abstinence is the only policy when it comes to teen sex refusing to provide sexual health information, pregnancy and disease prevention to teens who have no other avenue to learn such information shows a careless attitude for these students future IMHO. If one set of teenagers uses the information presented in a sex ed class to prevent a pregnancy then the class has value.
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FLA GIRL
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 07:40 pm |
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| It would really help, look at the way some the kids dress, if you can afford jeans and western shirts, you can afford what they ask of you, some of the clothes with all the holes in them cost for than a pair of jeans, cheap polo 10.00 dress pants 15.00 , jeans 20.00 nice western shirt atleast 15.00 jean's with holes 50.00 or ragged bottoms, i think the cost difference is better for the uniformed dress code than regular clothes, that away no child is left behind if all are wearing the same attire.
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P.VanTassell
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 03:52 pm |
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chobee buckeye wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: FLTeacher, I was under the impression that you were a teacher in the Okeechobee County School System.
From now on I will have to admit that your credibility on Okeechobee School Issues is that of an observer and not of an insider.
Did you at some point mention that you didn't work here? Because most of your school related posts boast that you are a teacher....however, not from our dsitrict.
Also, just because the dress code says what it says doesn't mean its being enforced.
Sure it says no revealing clothing. But do they enforce it? Nay.
OHS Teachers, I know you're on here.
Back me up here if possible.
Actually, Patrick - there have been some changes since you graduated and the dress code is enforced quite diligently now. Cleavage, low-riding pants, and too short skirts or shorts are not tolerated. Sorry I couldn't support you on that one...
I had a friend remind me the other day that an entire school year has passed since I walked the halls there. I had forgotten.
Well, speaking for when I was there improvements could have been made.
I've heard tale that enforcement has gone up and the skanky look has gone down but there are exceptions to the rule as always.
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chobee buckeye wrote: okeegator wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: FLTeacher, I was under the impression that you were a teacher in the Okeechobee County School System.
From now on I will have to admit that your credibility on Okeechobee School Issues is that of an observer and not of an insider.
Did you at some point mention that you didn't work here? Because most of your school related posts boast that you are a teacher....however, not from our dsitrict.
Also, just because the dress code says what it says doesn't mean its being enforced.
Sure it says no revealing clothing. But do they enforce it? Nay.
OHS Teachers, I know you're on here.
Back me up here if possible.
There is room for improvement. Yes, okeegator, there is room for improvement. But, it revolves around the very few teachers who look the other way. But, since PVT graduated two years ago it has improved greatly. Don't you think?
Sure.
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 03:38 pm |
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okeegator wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: FLTeacher, I was under the impression that you were a teacher in the Okeechobee County School System.
From now on I will have to admit that your credibility on Okeechobee School Issues is that of an observer and not of an insider.
Did you at some point mention that you didn't work here? Because most of your school related posts boast that you are a teacher....however, not from our dsitrict.
Also, just because the dress code says what it says doesn't mean its being enforced.
Sure it says no revealing clothing. But do they enforce it? Nay.
OHS Teachers, I know you're on here.
Back me up here if possible.
There is room for improvement. Yes, okeegator, there is room for improvement. But, it revolves around the very few teachers who look the other way. But, since PVT graduated two years ago it has improved greatly. Don't you think?
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chobee buckeye
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 03:36 pm |
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P.VanTassell wrote: FLTeacher, I was under the impression that you were a teacher in the Okeechobee County School System.
From now on I will have to admit that your credibility on Okeechobee School Issues is that of an observer and not of an insider.
Did you at some point mention that you didn't work here? Because most of your school related posts boast that you are a teacher....however, not from our dsitrict.
Also, just because the dress code says what it says doesn't mean its being enforced.
Sure it says no revealing clothing. But do they enforce it? Nay.
OHS Teachers, I know you're on here.
Back me up here if possible.
Actually, Patrick - there have been some changes since you graduated and the dress code is enforced quite diligently now. Cleavage, low-riding pants, and too short skirts or shorts are not tolerated. Sorry I couldn't support you on that one...
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 03:35 pm |
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P.VanTassell wrote: FLTeacher, I was under the impression that you were a teacher in the Okeechobee County School System.
From now on I will have to admit that your credibility on Okeechobee School Issues is that of an observer and not of an insider.
Did you at some point mention that you didn't work here? Because most of your school related posts boast that you are a teacher....however, not from our dsitrict.
Also, just because the dress code says what it says doesn't mean its being enforced.
Sure it says no revealing clothing. But do they enforce it? Nay.
OHS Teachers, I know you're on here.
Back me up here if possible.
There is room for improvement.
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P.VanTassell
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Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 03:32 pm |
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FLTeacher, I was under the impression that you were a teacher in the Okeechobee County School System.
From now on I will have to admit that your credibility on Okeechobee School Issues is that of an observer and not of an insider.
Did you at some point mention that you didn't work here? Because most of your school related posts boast that you are a teacher....however, not from our dsitrict.
Also, just because the dress code says what it says doesn't mean its being enforced.
Sure it says no revealing clothing. But do they enforce it? Nay.
OHS Teachers, I know you're on here.
Back me up here if possible.
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With gas prices as high as they are, you wouldn't choose to work out of town unless you had to. This statement alone sums up your mentality IMHO. What information are you pulling from to make this claim? You do not know who I am, what factors are important to me in a teaching position and what my professional goals are.
I personally know a number of teachers in the Okeechobee System. Everyone of them has told me to stay in the district where I teach. The reasons they mention are the low pay, small step raises, expensive health insurance, blatant favoritism/nepotism of staff, and little opportunity for professional growth when they talk about their school system. But knowing your way of thinking I am sure you will accuse them of being a "few disgruntled" teachers.
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flteacher wrote: VoiceReason wrote: flteacher wrote: jrfan88, thanks for the posting. I would have been very surprised to learn a high school did not have a dress code preventing "overexposure".
Dare I say you're disappointed they do have a dress code? You seem to bash the high school every chance you get. They are not as behind the times as you say. I'm disappointed a teacher doesn't support the educational system any more than you do.
Why don't you post in the town you teach in and leave us here in Okeechobee alone? And if you live here, then why don't you teach here? Have you been run out of town for being disloyal?
FYI, I have not been run out of town for being disloyal. Yes, I live in Okeechobee and why I choose to work in another school district is my business not yours. Frankly, I don't care why you work out of town. What bothers me is that you're always posting things about this school system that you don't know anything about. You read a post from a of a couple of angry parents and then it is automatically a fact.
I, and many parents and other posters, do not agree with a number of things happening in the school system. A few of the topics discussed over the last year concerning the school system: The costly fight with the ACLU over not allowing a handful of students to meet on school grounds, due to the fact a few are offended by their lifestyle choice, is an absurd waste of taxpayer money. Instead of paying for lawyers and private investigators they should put the money into an Internet based system allowing parents to view their kids grades and easily communicate with their teachers. Every school district in the vicinity, but Okeechobee, has invested in this technology. In your humble opinion. Do you even know what percentage of the students' parents have access to the internet at home? With it being below 50%, based on a survey the district put out, it would be an expensive investment that only a few could benefit from.
In spite of the dismal failure of the "abstinence only" policy the school system refuses to accept the fact kids are having sex and educate them on the topic. Okeechobee has one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in Florida. In a perfect world kids would get this information from their parents but we are living in a far from perfect world when it comes responsible parenting. You can't force feed this kind of information to parents who come from a Christian background who believe their children aren't having sex. Save that for the big cities who are more liberal.
Why hasn't the school system implemented a state recognized anti-bullying program? Yet again, you're speaking without having facts. There is an anti-bullying program in place in this district. Those in charge are quoted as not believing there is a problem even though many here have posted specific incidents of their child being bullied. One parent posted the response from the school safety officer when she went to the school to complain about the bullying her son was a victim of "it's just boys being boys". Do you recall the post about the middle school boy taking a knife to school to protect himself from some bullies? Student on student violence is not acceptable in any situation.
Numerous parents have complained about the preferential treatment given kids from "the right families" in several schools. Any educational system should be safe, fair and equal for all students, not the select few with the right genes. This is an example of you listening to a couple of angry parents and you taking it as gospel and spewing it as fact. You don't have the insight into the school system to make good arguments. Now, you might have something valuable to say in your own district because you'd have a better understanding of what was going on. I think you don't work here because you've got a bone to pick with the district. With gas prices as high as they are, you wouldn't choose to work out of town unless you had to. When one goes back and looks at your posts, time and time again you down the district and the teachers.
Your above post is nothing more than an attempt to incite a fight. You have a history, besides hiding behind 2 user names, of attacking the messenger when you don't like the message. If you don't like my posts don't read them!
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VoiceReason wrote: flteacher wrote: jrfan88, thanks for the posting. I would have been very surprised to learn a high school did not have a dress code preventing "overexposure".
Dare I say you're disappointed they do have a dress code? You seem to bash the high school every chance you get. They are not as behind the times as you say. I'm disappointed a teacher doesn't support the educational system any more than you do.
Why don't you post in the town you teach in and leave us here in Okeechobee alone? And if you live here, then why don't you teach here? Have you been run out of town for being disloyal?
FYI, I have not been run out of town for being disloyal. Yes, I live in Okeechobee and why I choose to work in another school district is my business not yours. I am not going to apologize for disappointing you by voicing my opinions on the Okeechobee School System in a public opinion forum. What self appointed authority gives you the right to tell me not to post on this topic?
I, and many parents and other posters, do not agree with a number of things happening in the school system. A few of the topics discussed over the last year concerning the school system: The costly fight with the ACLU over not allowing a handful of students to meet on school grounds, due to the fact a few are offended by their lifestyle choice, is an absurd waste of taxpayer money. Instead of paying for lawyers and private investigators they should put the money into an Internet based system allowing parents to view their kids grades and easily communicate with their teachers. Every school district in the vicinity, but Okeechobee, has invested in this technology.
In spite of the dismal failure of the "abstinence only" policy the school system refuses to accept the fact kids are having sex and educate them on the topic. Okeechobee has one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in Florida. In a perfect world kids would get this information from their parents but we are living in a far from perfect world when it comes responsible parenting.
Why hasn't the school system implemented a state recognized anti-bullying program? Those in charge are quoted as not believing there is a problem even though many here have posted specific incidents of their child being bullied. One parent posted the response from the school safety officer when she went to the school to complain about the bullying her son was a victim of "it's just boys being boys". Do you recall the post about the middle school boy taking a knife to school to protect himself from some bullies? Student on student violence is not acceptable in any situation.
Numerous parents have complained about the preferential treatment given kids from "the right families" in several schools. Any educational system should be safe, fair and equal for all students, not the select few with the right genes.
Your above post is nothing more than an attempt to incite a fight. You have a history, besides hiding behind 2 user names, of attacking the messenger when you don't like the message. If you don't like my posts don't read them!
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| Sounds like Lake Worth highschool has a "uniform" dress code. Do you think the community of Okeechobee would support uniforms at the highschool? I think they talked about it a couple of years ago and parents were outraged.
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jrfan88 wrote:
FYI - taken from the high school's website: (It would appear that they are not way beyond the times. They do not tolerate the violations that PVT insinuates.)
OHS Dress Code
The personal appearance of students may be in the style of the day. Special consideration will be given to community dress fads except when suggestive or offensive.
1. Inappropriate dress may include, but is not limited to: tight sweat pants, see-through mesh type shirts or blouses, miniskirts, tight stirrup pants, pants worn below the waistline, muscle shirts, decals, slogans, or “sayings” on clothes that are rude, vulgar, advertise alcohol or alcoholic beverages, display pictures or slogans that promote illegal drugs, or are racially or sexually offensive or reference illegal or immoral behavior.
2. Cleanliness of the physical person to a degree consistent with the maintenance of good physical health is mandatory.
3. Shoes are to be worn at all times during the school day. Bedroom slippers are not to be worn.
4. Blouses, dresses, and shirts for ladies must cover the entire shoulder and must fully cover the midriff and all undergarments. Revealing and bareback blouses, and transparent or translucent garments shall not be worn.
5. Dresses, blouses, and shirts must not allow any undergarment or cleavage to show.
6. Dresses, skirts, and shorts should be, before making adjustments, no more than three inches above the knee. Shorts may only be worn on Friday.
7. Pants with holes or slits may be worn if the holes and slits are below the shorts guidelines.
8. Hats and sunglasses are not to be worn in the building at any time. These items will be confiscated and returned at a later date.
9. Girls/boys may not wear clothing that is too tight, too bare, or so extreme as to be immodest.
10. Pants, shorts, and skirts should be worn at the natural waist, not showing underwear, and not so long or wide that they cause a distraction, disruption, or safety hazard. Spandex, bicycle-style, or other such tight-fitting pants or shorts are not acceptable. Students with a habit of wearing pants too large to remain at the waist could be placed on a special dress code whereby they will be expected to wear a belt and tuck in their shirt.
11. When, in the judgement of the administration, the dress requirements have not been met, the student will not be permitted in class until the situation is corrected. Students wearing inappropriate clothing will be given an opportunity to call parents to bring additional clothing or to wear clothing supplied by the school if parents are unavailable to bring proper clothing. Students will return to class when they are properly dressed.
12. Repeated dress code violations will result in disciplinary action.
It is the joint responsibility of every student, parent, or guardian, teacher and administrator to see that the dress of the student is appropriate, safe, and does not interfere with the teaching/learning process. Any time missed due to dress will be unexcused.
If you compare them to Palm Beac County schools they are behind times, this is Lake Worth High Dress code
Dress Code 2007 - 2008
The following dress code will continue to be in effect for the 2007-08 school year. All students are expected to report on the first day of school in dress code. Any student out of compliance will be asked to change and will be subject to disciplinary action.
Shirts:
Solid colored, polo style, collared shirts with two or three buttons, no zippers, and no shirts without buttons are to be worn. SHIRTS MUST BE TUCKED IN. LOGOS ARE NOT PERMITTED. Camis and undershirts may be worn (tucked in) but only if they are one of the four approved colors. Acceptable colors:
Maroon [highlight= black]White Gray Navy
PLEASE NOTE: Only a solid colored sweatshirt, sweater or jacket in one of the 4 approved colors may be worn over the top of the collared shirt and only in inclement weather. No other outer garments are allowed. No stripes or prints of any kind. No writing of any kind except for Lake Worth High name and logo.
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Interscholastic sport teams may wear appropriate team jerseys over collared shirts on game days and as specified by coaches.
Pants:
Pants must be worn at the natural waistline. Acceptable styles include Docker style full length pants, capri pants, knee length shorts, or knee length skirts (no slits).No sweat, jogging, stretch, or nylon pants are permitted. No designs of any kind. Acceptable colors:
Black Khaki Navy
Shoes and Belts:
Any closed toe shoe is acceptable but any type of heels should be worn with caution. All students should wear a belt, and the belt should be of appropriate length and visible when the shirt is tucked in.
Don’ts:
No shirts or other items over the collared shirts. No short shirts, over-shirts, shrugs, etc.
No pants, skirts, skorts, capris made of denim material regardless of color.
No pants tucked into socks.
No flip flops or other open-toed shoes.
No bedroom slippers.
No hats, caps, bandanas, or head coverings (except for religious reasons).
No zippers on shirts.
No logos (except approved school logos).
No frayed or torn clothing.
No shorts or skirts above the knee.
No navy on navy.
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Having been involved with this thread from its start...I believe the Okeechobee School Dress Code's need to be upgraded with Gender Specific terms. Females may wear slacks, and shorts on Friday. Males may not wear dresses, skirts or high-heels.
RE: The child that was shot was into cross dressing. If that becomes an issue, and the school board then places Gender Specific in the dress code the ACLU will have a field day.
Dress codes have to change as society evolves. When I was in school females were not allowed to wear slacks. Skirts and dresses couldn't be more then 2 inches above the knee. (and this was when Mini skirts were the most advertised garment) No students, male or female, were allowed to wear shorts or tennis shoes except during gym class. Boys had to have their shirts tucked in all the time, and wear a belt, and boys hair couldn't come down over the collar of the back of the shirt. Shirts had to have collars. T-shirts were called undershirts back then, because you wore them under the shirt.
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VoiceReason wrote: flteacher wrote: jrfan88, thanks for the posting. I would have been very surprised to learn a high school did not have a dress code preventing "overexposure".
Dare I say you're disappointed they do have a dress code? You seem to bash the high school every chance you get. They are not as behind the times as you say. I'm disappointed a teacher doesn't support the educational system any more than you do.
Why don't you post in the town you teach in and leave us here in Okeechobee alone? And if you live here, then why don't you teach here? Have you been run out of town for being disloyal?
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VoiceReason wrote: Why don't you post in the town you teach in and leave us here in Okeechobee alone? And if you live here, then why don't you teach here? Have you been run out of town for being disloyal?
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flteacher wrote: jrfan88, thanks for the posting. I would have been very surprised to learn a high school did not have a dress code preventing "overexposure".
Dare I say you're disappointed they do have a dress code? You seem to bash the high school every chance you get. They are not as behind the times as you say. I'm disappointed a teacher doesn't support the educational system any more than you do.
Why don't you post in the town you teach in and leave us here in Okeechobee alone? And if you live here, then why don't you teach here? Have you been run out of town for being disloyal?
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| jrfan88, thanks for the posting. I would have been very surprised to learn a high school did not have a dress code preventing "overexposure".
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VoiceReason wrote: flteacher wrote: PVTP.VanTassell wrote: flteacher wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: (edited)People can blame the school, the teachers, and the distric all they want. But that boy came home to his parents every night. He was their son, and just the teachers student. Who has more influence?
Don't underestimate the influence teachers can have on students lives. I'm talking about his killer. Also, Parents win this argument. They're parents. Think.
I find it hard to believe what this student was allowed to wear to school was not in violation of the student dress code. No student, male or female, should be wearing stiletto heels to school.
Also, you can't possibly be a current teacher with that second statement. At least not at the high school.
Thongs, Cleavage, Guys wearing girl-pants.
Times have changed, and schools need to crack down on this "fashion" these kids are wearing.
PVT, yes I am a current teacher in a high school; A high school with a strict dress code. Cleavage is not hanging out, the tops of thongs are not visible (aka whale tails), pants are appropriate and must be kept up. Students who come to school not adhering to the dress code are sent home.
Schools have cracked down on distracting and inappropriate dress. Is this one more area Okeechobee is again way behind the times on. Is the type of dress you mentioned allowed at OHS?
Also, I didn't say the young boy who did the shooting parents were blameless I stated the school's AP, IMHO, encouraged behavior detrimental Why are you still saying the AP encouraged this behavior when there is absolutely no evidence of it? You have a bunch of teachers saying so. Would you like all of us to believe you abused a child in your class because three of your colleagues said so? Why the conviction with no evidence? to the well being of student(s).
Did you mis the IMHO?
Do you know it stands for In My Humble Opinion?
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flteacher wrote: PVTP.VanTassell wrote: flteacher wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: (edited)People can blame the school, the teachers, and the distric all they want. But that boy came home to his parents every night. He was their son, and just the teachers student. Who has more influence?
Don't underestimate the influence teachers can have on students lives. I'm talking about his killer. Also, Parents win this argument. They're parents. Think.
I find it hard to believe what this student was allowed to wear to school was not in violation of the student dress code. No student, male or female, should be wearing stiletto heels to school.
Also, you can't possibly be a current teacher with that second statement. At least not at the high school.
Thongs, Cleavage, Guys wearing girl-pants.
Times have changed, and schools need to crack down on this "fashion" these kids are wearing.
PVT, yes I am a current teacher in a high school; A high school with a strict dress code. Cleavage is not hanging out, the tops of thongs are not visible (aka whale tails), pants are appropriate and must be kept up. Students who come to school not adhering to the dress code are sent home.
Schools have cracked down on distracting and inappropriate dress. Is this one more area Okeechobee is again way behind the times on. Is the type of dress you mentioned allowed at OHS?
Also, I didn't say the young boy who did the shooting parents were blameless I stated the school's AP, IMHO, encouraged behavior detrimental Why are you still saying the AP encouraged this behavior when there is absolutely no evidence of it? You have a bunch of teachers saying so. Would you like all of us to believe you abused a child in your class because three of your colleagues said so? Why the conviction with no evidence? to the well being of student(s).
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FYI - taken from the high school's website: (It would appear that they are not way beyond the times. They do not tolerate the violations that PVT insinuates.)
OHS Dress Code
The personal appearance of students may be in the style of the day. Special consideration will be given to community dress fads except when suggestive or offensive.
1. Inappropriate dress may include, but is not limited to: tight sweat pants, see-through mesh type shirts or blouses, miniskirts, tight stirrup pants, pants worn below the waistline, muscle shirts, decals, slogans, or “sayings” on clothes that are rude, vulgar, advertise alcohol or alcoholic beverages, display pictures or slogans that promote illegal drugs, or are racially or sexually offensive or reference illegal or immoral behavior.
2. Cleanliness of the physical person to a degree consistent with the maintenance of good physical health is mandatory.
3. Shoes are to be worn at all times during the school day. Bedroom slippers are not to be worn.
4. Blouses, dresses, and shirts for ladies must cover the entire shoulder and must fully cover the midriff and all undergarments. Revealing and bareback blouses, and transparent or translucent garments shall not be worn.
5. Dresses, blouses, and shirts must not allow any undergarment or cleavage to show.
6. Dresses, skirts, and shorts should be, before making adjustments, no more than three inches above the knee. Shorts may only be worn on Friday.
7. Pants with holes or slits may be worn if the holes and slits are below the shorts guidelines.
8. Hats and sunglasses are not to be worn in the building at any time. These items will be confiscated and returned at a later date.
9. Girls/boys may not wear clothing that is too tight, too bare, or so extreme as to be immodest.
10. Pants, shorts, and skirts should be worn at the natural waist, not showing underwear, and not so long or wide that they cause a distraction, disruption, or safety hazard. Spandex, bicycle-style, or other such tight-fitting pants or shorts are not acceptable. Students with a habit of wearing pants too large to remain at the waist could be placed on a special dress code whereby they will be expected to wear a belt and tuck in their shirt.
11. When, in the judgement of the administration, the dress requirements have not been met, the student will not be permitted in class until the situation is corrected. Students wearing inappropriate clothing will be given an opportunity to call parents to bring additional clothing or to wear clothing supplied by the school if parents are unavailable to bring proper clothing. Students will return to class when they are properly dressed.
12. Repeated dress code violations will result in disciplinary action.
It is the joint responsibility of every student, parent, or guardian, teacher and administrator to see that the dress of the student is appropriate, safe, and does not interfere with the teaching/learning process. Any time missed due to dress will be unexcused.
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PVTP.VanTassell wrote: flteacher wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: (edited)People can blame the school, the teachers, and the distric all they want. But that boy came home to his parents every night. He was their son, and just the teachers student. Who has more influence?
Don't underestimate the influence teachers can have on students lives. I'm talking about his killer. Also, Parents win this argument. They're parents. Think.
I find it hard to believe what this student was allowed to wear to school was not in violation of the student dress code. No student, male or female, should be wearing stiletto heels to school.
Also, you can't possibly be a current teacher with that second statement. At least not at the high school.
Thongs, Cleavage, Guys wearing girl-pants.
Times have changed, and schools need to crack down on this "fashion" these kids are wearing.
PVT, yes I am a current teacher in a high school; A high school with a strict dress code. Cleavage is not hanging out, the tops of thongs are not visible (aka whale tails), pants are appropriate and must be kept up. Students who come to school not adhering to the dress code are sent home.
Schools have cracked down on distracting and inappropriate dress. Is this one more area Okeechobee is again way behind the times on. Is the type of dress you mentioned allowed at OHS?
Also, I didn't say the young boy who did the shooting parents were blameless I stated the school's AP, IMHO, encouraged behavior detrimental to the well being of student(s).
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flteacher wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: (edited)People can blame the school, the teachers, and the distric all they want. But that boy came home to his parents every night. He was their son, and just the teachers student. Who has more influence?
Don't underestimate the influence teachers can have on students lives. I'm talking about his killer. Also, Parents win this argument. They're parents. Think.
I find it hard to believe what this student was allowed to wear to school was not in violation of the student dress code. No student, male or female, should be wearing stiletto heels to school.
Also, you can't possibly be a current teacher with that second statement. At least not at the high school.
Thongs, Cleavage, Guys wearing girl-pants.
Times have changed, and schools need to crack down on this "fashion" these kids are wearing.
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| The fact here is not whether the child was encouraged by the AP or not , the fact simply remains a child was shot and killed by another child, If the child in question was in a group home , then the counselors at the group home should be held accountable for not stepping in and saying that his behavior was not good for all, the child that shot him, needs tremendous counseling, what about the boy I believe in Palm beach that was basicly beat to death due to being gay, are the same issues at hand and he was close to home when this happened, not flaunting his stuff at school, I agree with FLTEACHER, no matter what the child wears, or how rich or poor they are they need to be treated the same, if a child is in fear of another child there is a reason, I can bet that the school has no code of ethics on how to deal with this situation, how do you explain to a redneck dad that your suspending his son/daughter for picking on a gay kid, Palm City FL has a school rule, BE A BUDDY NOT A BULLY, it use to be a redneck school like okeechobee, but because of so many newcomers with excessive money the school board implemented that policy, get caught bulling on school grounds get kicked out.....as for the sex education thing in school, alot of schools have a no tolerance polisy for kissing, hugging etc, maybe thats why we need to have a meeting with the super of schools and have the student code of conduct a little stricter in the high school
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flteacher wrote: VoiceReason I am standing behind what I interpreted from the article. I live in the education world. When teachers go on record stating they, the ones who witnessed all the events, felt she was encouraging his flamboyant behavior to further her own agenda it is enough for me to form an opinion of the events. You didn't state it as an interpretation, you stated it as fact. I simply called your attention to the fact that there is not proof that the AP encouraged him. That remains to be seen as the facts come to light.
You are entitled to interpret from the article with what you believe happened and I am entitled to voice my opinion of my interpretation. Who has put you in charge lately with being the all knowing and telling others what they should and shouldn't be posting?
Please, what do others think do the statements from the article support the argument "The AP encourage his flamboyant behavior" or "Should the comments of teachers at the school be discounted and we shouldn't believe the AP was pushing an agenda" That's not for us to decide. We don't have all the facts.
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VoiceReason I am standing behind what I interpreted from the article. I live in the education world. When teachers go on record stating they, the ones who witnessed all the events, felt she was encouraging his flamboyant behavior to further her own agenda it is enough for me to form an opinion of the events.
You are entitled to interpret from the article with what you believe happened and I am entitled to voice my opinion of my interpretation. Who has put you in charge lately with being the all knowing and telling others what they should and shouldn't be posting?
Please, what do others think do the statements from the article support the argument "The AP encourage his flamboyant behavior" or "Should the comments of teachers at the school be discounted and we shouldn't believe the AP was pushing an agenda"
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flteacher wrote: Some teachers thought Larry was clearly in violation of the code, which prevents students from wearing articles of clothing considered distracting. When Larry wore lipstick and eyeliner to school for the first time, a teacher told him to wash it off, and he did. But the next day, he was back wearing even more. Larry told the teacher he could wear makeup if he wanted to. He said that Ms. Epstein told him that was his right.
Joy Epstein was one of the school's three assistant principals, and as Larry became less inhibited, Epstein became more a source of some teachers' confusion and anger. Epstein, a calm, brown-haired woman with bifocals, was openly gay to her colleagues, and although she was generally not out to her students, she kept a picture of her partner on her desk that some students saw. While her job was to oversee the seventh graders, she formed a special bond with Larry, who was in the eighth grade. He dropped by her office regularly, either for counseling or just to talk—she won't say exactly. "There was no reason why I specifically started working with Larry," Epstein says. "He came to me." Some teachers believe that she was encouraging Larry's flamboyance, to help further an "agenda," as some put it.
Quote from NW article
VoiceReason please reread the highlighted portion of the quote I pulled from the NW article; a direct quote from the teachers at the school. Proving that they THINK she encouraged him. You wrote, "the AP encouraged him". That has not been proven nor is it a fact and you wrote it as such. Please be sure you understand the argument before you post statements finding error with others here. You seem to be on a mission of knocking others down lately. In this case YOU are wrong.
She, a school administrator, encouraged behavior in a middle school student she knew would cause disruption in the school and class. Yet again, none of which has been proven but you spew it as fact. I would have thought a teacher would be more tuned in to reading the details of a passage. Unfortunately, the disruption ended with one student dead and one student charged with murder.
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flteacher wrote: VoiceReason wrote: Is her sexuality the reason you jumped to that conclusion?
As I just corrected your previous post proving I did not jump to a conclusion it was your failure to completely read and understand the NW article; what do you mean by this above statement? Forgive me, but you did jump to a conclusion. The bold portion of your email proves this. It was the other teachers who thought she was encouraging him. The AP has not disclosed what they discussed, so for you to write that "the AP encouraged him" is not substantiated in any way by the article. The line about her saying wearing lip stick is within his rights is also not proof that she encouraged him. She could have just been following a policy they put in place concerning the boy. The other administrators also let him wear the shoes, clothes, and make up.
Please be careful and not put your spin on what happened. All too often we read and interpret and come about with false impressions like yours.
Go back and read through my previous posts on this topic; I am for allowing the club to meet on school grounds. I teach and treat all students equally regardless of race, socio-economic status, sexual orientation or who their parents are!
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VoiceReason wrote: Is her sexuality the reason you jumped to that conclusion?
As I just corrected your previous post proving I did not jump to a conclusion it was your failure to completely read and understand the NW article; what do you mean by this above statement?
Go back and read through my previous posts on this topic; I am for allowing the club to meet on school grounds. I teach and treat all students equally regardless of race, socio-economic status, sexual orientation or who their parents are!
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