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P.VanTassell
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 04:41 pm |
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Think like a kid here.
You say to him stay in the closet
All you're doing is "cramping his style" for lack of a better phrase and he will rebel.
What should have been done was some protection. Not secret service but a teacher should have said "Hey, you there, quit being mean to him."
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OkeeNarnie
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 01:00 pm |
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I hadn't seen this article prior to my statement yesterday with reference to what I told my grandchildren. But that article sure made me glad I did tell them what I chose to.
It's too late to to tell them to stay clear when your standing at a grave wishing you had.
(quote from the article) What you might call "the shrinking closet" is arguably a major factor in Larry's death. Even as homosexuality has become more accepted, the prospect of being openly gay in middle school raises a troubling set of issues. Kids may want to express who they are, but they are playing grown-up without fully knowing what that means. At the same time, teachers and parents are often uncomfortable dealing with sexual issues in children so young. Schools are caught in between. How do you protect legitimate, personal expression while preventing inappropriate, sometimes harmful, behavior? Larry King was, admittedly, a problematical test case: he was a troubled child who flaunted his sexuality and wielded it like a weapon—it was often his first line of defense. But his story sheds light on the difficulty of defining the limits of tolerance. As E. O. Green found, finding that balance presents an enormous challenge.
If I had a child or grandchild who was "sexual orientation confused" I would advise them to (for lack of a better way to word this) "Stay In The Closet" until they were out of school and hopefully past the challenges of just growing up. At the adult stage of life they may well have discovered that they are no longer confused, but which ever lifestyle they choose will be done as an adult.
As a teenager if in their confusion, they think they might be homosexual and, outwardly flaunt their sexuality they are laying a history that will follow them all of their lives. Think back to your school days, you remember the kids that were different. You might forget the name of the teacher who taught the class, but you will always remember Ralphy the boy who was over weight and always smelled like pizza and Old Spice. (even if you were never friends with him) Kids who openly flaunt that they believe they are Homosexual, BI-Sexual, Trans-Gender or that they just like to Cross-Dress and then grow up to discover they are actually strait and were just sexual orientation confused as a teenager....might have a difficult time as their past will follow them. Guaranteed if its a small community like this one.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 11:08 am |
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That`s the problem with society today, everyone judges everyone, you see it all the time, we all have our opinions, nothing will change that, but we should treat people the way we want to be treated, not different just because of a handicapp or a birth condiction....Have any of you watched Brokeback Mountain, If not yo need to it will explain alot, these 2 guys lived normal lives and no one new they were gay until the end, and actually not gay just bi-sexual, a true gay man hates ladies, because to a point they are jealous, The point is your neighbor or preacher or teacher, counselor,anyone you know may be this way behind closed doors and you would never know unless you could be trusted by them.....as for the kid killed, the GSA maybe could have prevented it by helping to educate the young men who did it, parents are a large problem with this, I dont want my child areound these kind of people, come on people, you sit by them at church you eat in the same resturants with them you shop beside them everyday
as was stated in the past this is a birth condiction it is not something you just decide, yo are born with the tendensies some stronger than others
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 02:45 am |
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What exactly should not be allowed - the meeting or acknowledging gays/lesbians exists among us. Here is a link to the story you mention.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/147790>1=43002
It is NOT OK to kill someone whose lifestyle offends you! One teenager is dead and another is guilty of his murder.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 01:55 am |
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| LOOK AT THE 15 yr old boy who was murdered by a fellow class mate<<< THIS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN OUR SCHOOLS , THIS was on LARRY KING
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Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 09:59 pm |
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I think it is out of our hands. Were just taxpayers. So if the Judge can't find a law to keep it out of our school they will probably be allowed to hold their Club.
I still would like to know WHAT schools in Florida have allowed this Gay Alliance in. No one seems to know? The only state listed on the Gay Strait Alliance Web site is California.
At any rate, I have told my grandchildren that...
I do not want their name on any lists of names saying they didn't care if this group comes into the school.
I do not want to ever hear of them attending any of the meetings regardless of any reason. (of course the wisea$$ one said "What if the school says it's in the cafe and all the school is going?" I said you tell them your sick and call me and I will come and get you! If they you still have to go you tell them I will kick your A$$ if you do, they will excuse you because the line behind you saying the same thing will probably be quite long.
I guess everyone else will have to handle their own kids and grandkids.
Some of the folks who post here say we have no right, or that we are wrong to not want the Gay Alliance in our school. Well I have a every right to keep it out of my home. Thats what I intend to do.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 08:14 pm |
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Thank you, Diva for bringing us back to the right world,
I say if the kids can get a place to discuss how they feel, no matter if its in a school or not then let them, you never know , the outcome maybe alot better than you think. remember 2 wrongs dont make a right,
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P.VanTassell wrote: OkeeNarnie, my post didn't need a 58line responce. As for name dropping "I've spoken to a lesbian couple" you say that as if it is credentials.
The point wasn't about a lesbian couple getting married. It was our open society.
Just because your home isn't open doesn't mean that the world isn't...look at this picture and tell me where we are as a nation.
When Hollywood Dwarfs National News In Headlines We Are In Trouble.
This really has zip to do with the topic of this thread but I will respond.
Well according to what I see. The Spears girls pregnancy could very easily be discussed by parents and kids...as what NOT to do. Its a perfect example of what happens in the Hollywood (celebrity) lifestyle of the rich and famous. It should be in LARGE print! Parents of those famous kids are too busy running their careers to take the time to actually be parents. SHAME ON THEM! Thank goodness it's NOT so true in the real world. Most parents keep an eye on their kids, and they teach them that teen pregnancies are not the way to go about doing things. All kids don't listen and they end up facing the consequences of their senseless actions. Babies are beautiful. Do the teen parents sometimes wish they had done things differently? Maybe waited a few years before starting that family?
The government approves war budget. Well they began that in WWI, then we had WWII, Korea, The Cold War, VietNam, The Chek Border Dispute, Lebanon, Grenada, Saudi, Afghanistan, Iraq and I am sure I missed a few. Not that war is so common place we don't need to think about it, but the world has not been a peaceful place. There has been conflict and we have had involvement since before I was born.
I don't remember reading that people protested WWI, WWII or Korea. Or if the Cold War short lived as it was had protesters in South Florida. I know there was mega amounts of Anti War Protests and Draft Dodging with regards to the era of the VietNam Conflict. It was a different time then. The Hippie Movement pushing Sex Love and Rock and Roll was a big deal back then. After the original Woodstock it kind of died away for the most part. Most of the USA didn't like what the Hippies stood for...and they didn't last. The people didn't accept their diversity then any more then it seems our commuinity wants this diversity now.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 03:09 pm |
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P.VanTassell wrote: Zarawer wrote: OkeeNarnie, you may need to stop selling tickets @ the VFW and open your eyes a little.
See, open society.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 03:07 pm |
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Zarawer wrote: OkeeNarnie, you may need to stop selling tickets @ the VFW and open your eyes a little.
See, open society.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 03:01 pm |
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OkeeNarnie, you may need to stop selling tickets @ the VFW and open your eyes a little.
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P.VanTassell
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 02:49 pm |
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OkeeNarnie, my post didn't need a 58line responce. As for name dropping "I've spoken to a lesbian couple" you say that as if it is credentials.
The point wasn't about a lesbian couple getting married. It was our open society.
Just because your home isn't open doesn't mean that the world isn't...look at this picture and tell me where we are as a nation.
When Hollywood Dwarfs National News In Headlines We Are In Trouble.
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Hey ya all ........where's the love ??  Seems lately we are all turning nasty towards each other.......Is this the goal of the post ??? The topic at hand was to discuss whether or not the GSA should be permitted at the local high school.... I know that SOMETIMES the other topic may come up but for the life of me I can't see the moderator of this club allowing the purpose of the club to delve into other forms of SEXUAL ACTIVITIES...I understood the purpose of the club was to promote understanding of their alternative sexual orientation....But whose to understand ?? them or us ?? HMMM......... Well off to take a car load of kids to the manatee center WHOOHOO.........pray for my sanity LOL LOL........ Diva   
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 01:56 pm |
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FLA GIRL wrote: as far as BDSM, I will not explain it to you due to the fact that you are old school and you would not understand it,
this is what i said to you, When i said ladies, I was speaking of okeenarnie and firefly, not you , you are the one who would not leave it alone, you had to push the issue with one statement that you took out of context, in which then all followed, I do not believe in any of this no more than the rest, but I am open minded enough, that I dont judge people for what they do or dont do, I will state my opinions if you dont agree be civil about it, not disrespectful or rude as you have been, remember no one is perfect not even you
The point to all of this is no matter how well you know a person, you have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, and if you did know you may not like them just because of that fact, If you did not know someone was gay then you would be ok with them, but if you found out that they live an alternative lifestyle you would turn on them, you have proved that point and so has firefly, due to the comments that you have made torward me and you have no idea who i am, nor do you know me other than my opinions on the forum, you have judged me by my opinions and have offened me with your snide comments and rudeness torwards me
Why do you think that anyone from the old school cannot understand anything?
I will grant you one thing Fla Girl. I have never been accused of being a lady. I am well aware that there was only one perfect person and that it's not me.
Just as the statement about a person being what they eat, they are also what they think. Would you have us believe that your opinions have no connection to you? Florida girls are never rude, are they. If I have offended you, or anyone else on this forum I would say it's tit for tat. I certainly haven't "offened" you and you haven't been anywhere to see me raise my middle finger anyway.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 12:38 pm |
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as far as BDSM, I will not explain it to you due to the fact that you are old school and you would not understand it,
this is what i said to you, When i said ladies, I was speaking of okeenarnie and firefly, not you , you are the one who would not leave it alone, you had to push the issue with one statement that you took out of context, in which then all followed, I do not believe in any of this no more than the rest, but I am open minded enough, that I dont judge people for what they do or dont do, I will state my opinions if you dont agree be civil about it, not disrespectful or rude as you have been, remember no one is perfect not even you
The point to all of this is no matter how well you know a person, you have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, and if you did know you may not like them just because of that fact, If you did not know someone was gay then you would be ok with them, but if you found out that they live an alternative lifestyle you would turn on them, you have proved that point and so has firefly, due to the comments that you have made torward me and you have no idea who i am, nor do you know me other than my opinions on the forum, you have judged me by my opinions and have offened me with your snide comments and rudeness torwards me
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OkeeNarnie
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 12:38 pm |
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P.VanTassell wrote: The whole Idea we're trying to get across is that people's personal lives are now public.
The INTERNET holds no secrets, and no adays nothing seems sacred.
With the advent of 24hour News Networks they had to fill their time with something so, of course, we are now up on how is gay in Hollywood, Who is married, hopped up on smack, or dead.
Information is the new must-have and with it comes all the things that people used to keep to themselves.
We are now in an open society.
Get used to it.
This stuff has always been around...we just didn't hear about it 24/7 before.
This Society is not as OPEN as you wish! YOU Get Used To IT!
EVERYONE'S life is not public. Hollywood has always been public. Marriages and divorces used to happen so quickly they were old news before the magazines even published theirs monthly edition. Media coverage is faster today, same crap, just gets around quicker. But that is Hollywood the bright lights and tinsel city, they write the screenplays. They life life at 160MPH. With cameras, mirrors and lights they can create a world never even thought of before. They can create the perfect world...but no one really lives in it, its not real.
We live in the real world. The real world is not tinsels and glamor. Its reality. The basic reality of this world is that as humans we are all going to think the way we want, do what we want to, but we have to face all the consequences for our actions. Humans are also creatures of habit. The world tends to spin better when there is a routine.
Information is ONLY the New Must Have Thing if your looking for that knowledge. If your not interested you just block the channel on the TV or don't go to those sites on the Internet. You can still keep it OUT of your life.
Privacy laws are in place and constantly upgraded to protect your personal lives. No one is required to know or want to know or give a rats butt about any of this.
Oh, as a point of interest ALL homosexuals don't want all the change. I personally spoke with a lesbian couple who have been together for more then 30 years. I asked why they hadn't married as they live where it is allowed. They said they have both worked all their adult lives. They both have in place IRA's and they bank accounts which allow survivorship for each other. They have wills. Why would they want to do anything different? They will both draw their own social security. They live a quiet life. They own their home and have for many years. They have lived their life outside of the public scrutiny privately. There has always been legal ways that couples have been able to take care of business. Insurance it seems is a major cog in the wheel that has had some come forward to marry so that they can have their partners coverage. Some married for closure. Some married to stop family interference after death, because they are not accepted by their families even after many years of being together. (Must be those old morals again, funny isn't it how my morals get in your way?)
You are correct this "stuff" as always been around. People were sentenced to death for taking part in biblical times. In history it was paraded for the enjoyment of some, and it became the subject of pornography for the world on script, photo's and film and now the real life players want us to welcome it as everyday occurrences? It's just the way life is.... It's not.
What makes you believe we have to? What makes you think we should want to set aside our morals and values and say all this is perfectly fine with us. Have a club so sexually confused children can get information from other kids. It's the same as getting your education off the street. What makes you think there is something to tell us that would convince us? To change the way we think and believe what is right and wrong?
Personally I don't care how you choose to live your life. Your not my child or my grandchild. You can live right next door, just keep your door closed on your personal life, I don't wish to hear about it. I don't care if you have a different partner every night. I don't care what gender they are. I don't care what you watch on your Tv or what television service you use. I don't care what magazines you subscribe to. That is all your Personal Life. That is what you keep in your house, where it should be.
When you bring it out and dump it in my yard I will rake it up and put it in the trash. It has no place in my house.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 12:17 pm |
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my first statement was taken out of context by FLSR & Firefly1958, That is why I refused to explain it to flsr
Gee, I thought it was because you didn't want to offend me.
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FLA GIRL
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OkeeNarnie wrote: (Quote) Yes, I have read alot due to the fact that there was a study done awhile ago by a well known phsycologist about BDSM and PTSD because I have a loved one that suffers with this so I was doing my homework to try and help with the problem, does that make me bad to investigate something that may help someone that is having issues, I guess if it does I am a really bad person because I care more than the usual person does, or is it that i just have a heart
I am confused. so please tell me, are you comparing these two situations or telling us that a person was involved with BDSM and now suffers from PTSD?
BDSM - bondage and discipline (B&D) sadism and masochism (S&M or SM)
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PTSD - Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
PTSD is what many military veterans suffer with and have received 100% disability for.
Okeenarnie, I am not comparing anything nor did I suggest comparison, If you read my statement, it says I investigated what this was about with alot of research to see if it would possibly help with the situation, as for the Wisenheimer's on here, they have very much offended me to no end with their mindless comments, I am hoping this is a sincere question from you , and yes you are correct, I nor anyone else wants to know what goes on behind closed doors, but my first statement was taken out of context by FLSR & Firefly1958, That is why I refused to explain it to flsr, because of the foolish nature that ended up on here, I respect others opinions as well they should respect mine without being , rude, disrespectful, offensive , with comments that are not necessary in any case,
and so you also understand 100% disability was not the issue trying to find something to help is the issue is, The VA has come along way and is still doing studies on ptsd I have a friend that is the head of that dept and she is the one that told me about the research of this doctor, I personally can t bring myself to beat on someone I love , seems to caveman to me
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 11:36 am |
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The whole Idea we're trying to get across is that people's personal lives are now public.
The internet holds no secrets, and no adays nothing seems sacred.
With the advent of 24hour News Networks they had to fill their time with something so, of course, we are now up on how is gay in Hollywood, Who is married, hopped up on smack, or dead.
Information is the new must-have and with it comes all the things that people used to keep to themselves.
We are now in an open society.
Get used to it.
This stuff has always been around...we just didn't hear about it 24/7 before.
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OkeeNarnie
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FLA GIRL wrote: I agree with PVT , None of the clubs he mention are academic related, people just need to except this is not the 50`s & 60`s anymore everything is more open and will become even more as the years go, again , look at your doctor,lawyer judges, police, giudence counselors, how do you know or not know that they do not lead an alternative life style, whether it be being gay or involved in bdsm.
This was my original statement and you people have taken it out of context
You are correct when you say we do no know what personal lifestyle anyone lives. We don't want to know. Its not our business. They don't want us to know. It's their personal business.
The whole idea ONLY BECOMES A PROBLEM when the people involved choose to announce it and cram it down everyones throats by saying, EVERYONE HAS TO ACCEPT ME AS I AM, THIS IS NOT THE 50'S AND 60'S ANYMORE, YOUR ALL OLD FOGIES WITH OUT DATED MORALS AND VALUES.
People who choose to live alternative lifestyles need to do what ever they want to do and keep it to themselves. Live their life in their house not in mine.
Now, did I understand your post and just not agree with your thoughts? If I didn't get the gist of your post, please correct me by explaining what you meant to get across.
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I agree with PVT , None of the clubs he mention are academic related, people just need to except this is not the 50`s & 60`s anymore everything is more open and will become even more as the years go, again , look at your doctor,lawyer judges, police, giudence counselors, how do you know or not know that they do not lead an alternative life style, whether it be being gay or involved in bdsm.
This was my original statement and you people have taken it out of context
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 01:04 am |
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OkeeNarnie, not you too.
You are comparing porn to the GSA. Really? This is where we are with this discussion?
The GSA is not about sex. It is about living with the intoleranct of your sexual orientation.
They don't talk about what to put where.
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Icare wrote:
That's a big "What if". Here I got another one for you.
What if Martians come down to our planet, sat down to dinner with the president and arranged to buy up some land. Maybe they'd be your new neighbors. Who knows what the future could hold for you and your family. Hey, I know, maybe they would be karoke fans and give you some big tips.
That would be appreciated as equipment is on the expensive side. ..And they would probably be welcome to come and sing at any of the Karaoke shows in Okeechobee.
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I have looked, on their web site they only talk about the GSA in California.
I tried to find other schools in Florida with the groups. Anyone know of any schools with this group active in Florida?
Are we the beta program for this GSA Group in the state of Florida? Do they figure were a hick cow town and the smooth talking ACLU from the city is going to slide this down our throats like a slushy?
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 08:56 pm |
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Narnie, could I add a word?
On the far out side-------is where they already are. When they speak of what goes on at these meetings I would have to assume they've been to at least one.
I would suggest that some who want us to check certain books should check the boring old dictionary. Look up "alliance" and
"orientation" the act or process of orienting, or the state of being oriented,a program designed to introduce one into a new situation, insight into ones status in a given circumstance(oh this is the one he means)
If there is no talk of sex in general, then maybe the talk is specific.
What adult would want to sponsor such a thing and what is the need for it? PVT, just think you will soon be an adult and then maybe you will have figured out your own orientation.
I wouldn't accuse someone of being delusional after the dopey black graph that was recently posted.
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PVT Wrote: There is no talk of BDSM or sex in general at the club meetings. Don't be naive.
I'm flabergasted at this to be honest. Come on...there is an adult sponsor.
Shall we have a new thread called "Fetish v. Orientation: The Questions of Sex" ?
Much of the world still looks upon this as topics that are best kept in those Adult Stores. 5 years ago in the local movie rental stores you had to be over 18 to go behind the door to look at the covers of the ADULT Movies. Today you want a Club for kids UNDER 18 to discuss living like the people on some of those movies, and your flabbergasted at me?
On the Gay Strait Alliance web site it tells that they are accepting of any sexual orientation/lifestyle. Therefore they would not discriminate against any who might wish to lean in the direction of BDSM. I did not introduce it to this thread, but I have added my own opinions, as have everyone else and that is what this forum is about.
I read a post which said there would be an adult there to supervise the meeting and see that the rules were followed. (We have yet to see the rules. Are they posted someplace where we can read them?)
A new thread for the kinky's?, not needed as far as I am concerned. According to the Gay Strait Alliance we have to accept and embrace diversity remember? Why would we want to segregate any of it?
Some find this diversity impossible to embrace. We do not have to change our value system to accommodate a lifestyle someone tried to force into society.
Homosexuality, Bi-Sexuality, Bestiality, BSDM, Cross-Dressing, Trans-Gender (and one of the Top Dogs in the GSA National is a Female now but WAS a Male..Danielle Askini, National Program Manager Danielle Askini hails from all over. European born and raised, Danielle transitioned from male to female while in high school in Southern Maine.) These listed and other unique lifestyles are not new. They have been around since, probably, the beginning of time. They used to labeled pornography. They were lived by people behind closed doors, and never talked about in mixed company.
Just because some homosexual couples decided they didn't care what the world thought, they wanted the benefits married strait couples have so they brought their lives into the community and under the scrutiny of the public opinion. They are now able to seal their unions by marriage in some states. Not in most. So some people move where they can if thats what they want. (Hell I didn't like snow so I moved to Florida.)
If the rest of the Unique groups feel that just because some of the homosexual community came out of the closet we have to accept them as well, because they are diversity too. They are wrong, The World, doesn't owe them anything and no one has to embrace their lifestyle.
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P.VanTassell wrote: OkeeNarnie wrote: Ok...On The Far Side....
What if: They get their Gay Strait Alliance Club. A handful of kids who are sexually confused (not sure where their sexuality lies yet. Strait, Gay, Bi etc) go to this club and through discussions they find interest in BDSM and become involved and after a period of time find themselves in need of professional help and are diagnosed with PTSD stretching back to their involvement with the Gay Strait alliance where they were introduced to their DOMS.
Because our school Approved the Club, Provided them with the space for the Club, Provided he adult to supervise the Club Meetings who obviously saw nothing wrong with the interpersonal relationships that thrived in the atmosphere. They will come back and nail the county because someone has to take the responsibility for the problems the young adults now face.
Who knows what the future will hold for any kids who take part in this Club, or any clubs kids belong to.
There is no talk of BDSM or sex in general at the club meetings. Don't be naive.
I'm flabergasted at this to be honest. Come on...there is an adult sponsor.
Shall we have a new thread called "Fetish v. Orientation: The Questions of Sex" ?
Naive might not be all, I would include delusional.
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OkeeNarnie wrote: Ok...On The Far Side....
What if: They get their Gay Strait Alliance Club. A handful of kids who are sexually confused (not sure where their sexuality lies yet. Strait, Gay, Bi etc) go to this club and through discussions they find interest in BDSM and become involved and after a period of time find themselves in need of professional help and are diagnosed with PTSD stretching back to their involvement with the Gay Strait alliance where they were introduced to their DOMS.
Because our school Approved the Club, Provided them with the space for the Club, Provided he adult to supervise the Club Meetings who obviously saw nothing wrong with the interpersonal relationships that thrived in the atmosphere. They will come back and nail the county because someone has to take the responsibility for the problems the young adults now face.
Who knows what the future will hold for any kids who take part in this Club, or any clubs kids belong to.
There is no talk of BDSM or sex in general at the club meetings. Don't be naive.
I'm flabergasted at this to be honest. Come on...there is an adult sponsor.
Shall we have a new thread called "Fetish v. Orientation: The Questions of Sex" ?
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OkeeNarnie wrote: Ok...On The Far Side....
What if: They get their Gay Strait Alliance Club. A handful of kids who are sexually confused (not sure where their sexuality lies yet. Strait, Gay, Bi etc) go to this club and through discussions they find interest in BDSM and become involved and after a period of time find themselves in need of professional help and are diagnosed with PTSD stretching back to their involvement with the Gay Strait alliance where they were introduced to their DOMS.
Because our school Approved the Club, Provided them with the space for the Club, Provided he adult to supervise the Club Meetings who obviously saw nothing wrong with the interpersonal relationships that thrived in the atmosphere. They will come back and nail the county because someone has to take the responsibility for the problems the young adults now face.
Who knows what the future will hold for any kids who take part in this Club, or any clubs kids belong to.
That's a big "What if". Here I got another one for you.
What if Martians come down to our planet, sat down to dinner with the president and arranged to buy up some land. Maybe they'd be your new neighbors. Who knows what the future could hold for you and your family. Hey, I know, maybe they would be karoke fans and give you some big tips.
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Ok...On The Far Side....
What if: They get their Gay Strait Alliance Club. A handful of kids who are sexually confused (not sure where their sexuality lies yet. Strait, Gay, Bi etc) go to this club and through discussions they find interest in BDSM and become involved and after a period of time find themselves in need of professional help and are diagnosed with PTSD stretching back to their involvement with the Gay Strait alliance where they were introduced to their DOMS.
Because our school Approved the Club, Provided them with the space for the Club, Provided he adult to supervise the Club Meetings who obviously saw nothing wrong with the interpersonal relationships that thrived in the atmosphere. They will come back and nail the county because someone has to take the responsibility for the problems the young adults now face.
Who knows what the future will hold for any kids who take part in this Club, or any clubs kids belong to.
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OkeeNarnie wrote: Yes, I have read alot due to the fact that there was a study done awhile ago by a well known phsycologist about BDSM and PTSD because I have a loved one that suffers with this so I was doing my homework to try and help with the problem, does that make me bad to investigate something that may help someone that is having issues, I guess if it does I am a really bad person because I care more than the usual person does, or is it that i just have a heart
Correct me if I am wrong are you comparing:
BDSM - bondage and discipline (B&D) sadism and masochism (S&M or SM)
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PTSD - Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
okeenarnie if they practiced BDSM then I would say that could fall under PTSDLast edited on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 11:52 am by Firefly1958
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(Quote) Yes, I have read alot due to the fact that there was a study done awhile ago by a well known phsycologist about BDSM and PTSD because I have a loved one that suffers with this so I was doing my homework to try and help with the problem, does that make me bad to investigate something that may help someone that is having issues, I guess if it does I am a really bad person because I care more than the usual person does, or is it that i just have a heart
I am confused. so please tell me, are you comparing these two situations or telling us that a person was involved with BDSM and now suffers from PTSD?
BDSM - bondage and discipline (B&D) sadism and masochism (S&M or SM)
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PTSD - Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
PTSD is what many military veterans suffer with and have received 100% disability for.
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flteacher wrote: flsr wrote: One thing that was brought up to me by a person who doesn't "do" the forums but reads them, is that the schools are paid for by the taxpayers and so are the teachers. (if anyone can remember that the original topic was whether this club should be allowed to congregate on school grounds). Not only do the taxpayers have a right to not have the grounds used for this purpose (sure, if this is really what the majority wanted - are you speaking for the majority or just yourself), a vote of the people would prove what the majority thinks unless many of them are the ones wearing the dog collarsthey have a right to not have a teacher spending his/her time overseeing such activities. I'm guessing you missed the post where one of our frequent posters, a teacher at the high school, stated a guidance counselor offered to volunteer their time after school to act as the club advisor. Or do you think just because school personel are paid by tax dollars you have the right to dictate what they do on their off time?Not really, but since you mention it, it may be worth remembering what some of these beautiful female teachers have been doing with underage male students, during their off time. I do not know the counselor who offered his/her time but someone on this forum mentioned that we likely do not even know who the homosexuals among us are....................teachers are like "the old gray mare" they ain't what they used to be. Also, If things work the same here as in other districts, the school board members are voted into place, the school board hires a superintendent and principal, do they not? the district residents should be allowed to vote on this. Yes, the school board members are elected. Two members are up for reelection but I don't believe anyone is running against them.
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FLA GIRL wrote: Firefly1958,
I intend to be civil, due to the fact that real southern ladies are always polite and dont loose their cool,Don't pull that southern lady crap with me ,we get just as angry as anyone else and as for your direct insulte to me, no , I am just very opened minded about alot due to there are so many closed minded people inthis world, what would you do if your child came to you and stated he or she was gay, throw them out or dis-own them????I assure you there would be trouble in the camp.But I don't have to worry about that ,They are very secure in their sexuality.
Yes, I do read alot, and beig of the military back ground, I have traveled alot, and as for smut inthe adult book stores guess you have never been in one, they entertain alot more than just for the confused,
EX: southern exposure in ft pierce is an adult book store/ clothing store an alot of the young ladies from chobee go there to get there under garmets,,,,
Has your husband ever bought you a nice nighty? if so guess where it may have come from, I know where it came from not southern exposure
we all have opinions and for the most part thats all they are.......Yes but mine are definite.
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Firefly1958 wrote: FLA GIRL wrote: Well ladies, you need to do your homework,ON WHAT ,BRIGHTEST STAR IN THE SKY ?Bondage,Discipline Submission,Masochism what else is there to know?, if it was allowed I would post the pictures here that you say is acceptable , BDSM is more common than you know, and sadomasochism is the only one that intends full harm to the body, most eople are dom/subVery selfish on your partners side wouldn't you say(or yours) in which means one gives up there power to the other with alot of role play,I think you have read way to much.Yes, I have read alot due to the fact that there was a study done awhile ago by a well known phsycologist about BDSM and PTSD because I have a loved one that suffers with this so I was doing my homework to try and help with the problem, does that make me bad to investigate something that may help someone that is having issues, I guess if it does I am a really bad person because I care more than the usual person does, or is it that i just have a heart I am going to put this as nice as I can,You don't have to be nice ,SHAKE IT UP BABY! dont judge me for I wont judge you,You already have. and no I have not judged you and i wont, for being in a cave for 60 years having insulted people for there beliefs and sexual origin, is as bad as being racist,Being against BDSM is hardly in the category of Racism.Most people judge on color, and now they are being judged on their lifestyle same thing, your judging when you dont know them, I left BDSM alone not to offend any of you older ladies,No you put BDSM out there Fgirl and I'm no where near 60 but oops I guess I was wrong ladies you are not, you need to get some books and read up on things before you talk about sommething you dont understand or know about, the adult book store would be a good place to start,Smut I don't desire or need
Remember this every generation is different, and all are raised different, some with sheltered lives and others not, Well I guess so you are a great example of dysfunctional .NO, I am just open minded and believe that people should live the way they want as long as it does not affect anyone else,as they say you dont push your beliefs on me and I wont push mine on you....
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Firefly1958,
I intend to be civil, due to the fact that real southern ladies are always polite and dont loose their cool, and as for your direct insulte to me, no , I am just very opened minded about alot due to there are so many closed minded people inthis world, what would you do if your child came to you and stated he or she was gay, throw them out or dis-own them????
Yes, I do read alot, and beig of the military back ground, I have traveled alot, and as for smut inthe adult book stores guess you have never been in one, they entertain alot more than just for the confused,
EX: southern exposure in ft pierce is an adult book store/ clothing store an alot of the young ladies from chobee go there to get there under garmets,,,,
Has your husband ever bought you a nice nighty? if so guess where it may have come from,
we all have opinions and for the most part thats all they are.......
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FLA GIRL wrote: Firefly1958 wrote: flsr wrote: Ah, come on Firefly. I want to see the unedited version. Thanks for somebody backing me up. I was beginning to feel like the lone wolf hereNo your not alone I just didn't want to get in this there isn't anything right about it . And I don't think they should be able to meet at school because it is at tax payers expense and don't want to contribute my money to something that I consider a decay of society.The 4-H and other groups don't meet there and they shouldn't be allowed either.If you read my posts youwill see that i stated, i didnt care if they had it at the school, but they needed a place with a littlemore privacy,Then they need to meet at one of their homes or rent a building not at school.
Did you ever notice when a person brings up some good points ( I am waiting for your good points flsr have not seen any yet , only opinions, just remember what they say about them) all of a sudden you've beat the subject to death and we should agree to disagree? I don't agree with anything about it Well what else can we do? Nobody's changing their mind on anything.She was right on one point beating a dead horse because I have a definite opinion and its not changing,I'm expecting a email from the Wolfe soon I guess I shouldn't have edited it NOT UNLESS YOU REPORT YOURSELF, i am a big girl and can fight my own battles without the wolfeman`s helpGreat.
One thing that was brought up to me by a person who doesn't "do" the forums but reads them, is that the schools are paid for by the taxpayers and so are the teachers. (if anyone can remember that the original topic was whether this club should be allowed to congregate on school grounds). Not only do the taxpayers have a right to not have the grounds used for this purpose, they have a right to not have a teacher spending his/her time overseeing such activities. Also, If things work the same here as in other districts, the school board members are voted into place, the school board hires a superintendent and principal, do they not? the district residents should be allowed to vote on this.
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FLA GIRL wrote: Well ladies, you need to do your homework,ON WHAT ,BRIGHTEST STAR IN THE SKY ?Bondage,Discipline Submission,Masochism what else is there to know?, if it was allowed I would post the pictures here that you say is acceptable , BDSM is more common than you know, and sadomasochism is the only one that intends full harm to the body, most eople are dom/subVery selfish on your partners side wouldn't you say(or yours) in which means one gives up there power to the other with alot of role play,I think you have read way to much. I am going to put this as nice as I can,You don't have to be nice ,SHAKE IT UP BABY! dont judge me for I wont judge you,You already have. for being in a cave for 60 years having insulted people for there beliefs and sexual origin, is as bad as being racist,Being against BDSM is hardly in the category of Racism. I left BDSM alone not to offend any of you older ladies,No you put BDSM out there Fgirl and I'm no where near 60 but oops I guess I was wrong ladies you are not, you need to get some books and read up on things before you talk about sommething you dont understand or know about, the adult book store would be a good place to start,Smut I don't desire or need
Remember this every generation is different, and all are raised different, some with sheltered lives and others not, Well I guess so you are a great example of dysfunctional .
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