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Agreeing to disagree is not good enough is it? It doesn't really matter much to me at this point what you are a fan of. You are trying to inject into my nature traits that are not even there. In your effort to promote your own ideas, you seem to want to have it that I am full of hate because I am unaccepting of the homosexual lifestyle. I have pointed out that I believe in loving the sinner but hating the sin. You ignore that.
You do not know anything about my upbringing. That took place from 60 to 70 years ago. If there was a homosexual person around we did not know it. I dare say my folks did not even know it. Actually, how could we, they were probably in the closet and I doubt very much if there were as many of them as there is now, due to the fact of them coming out of the closet and making it seem an alright way to be.
Re/ the petty bickering about who sleeps with who, it isn't very petty when the Democrats make a big deal out of the Republican homos (which they should)and vice versa the Republicans making a big deal about the Democrats sleeping with whomever. It all amounts to a level of immorality that is dragging the nation and the world down.
Your statement "I think that you don't hate the gays as much as you hate the gays that tell you they are gay" could only apply to Rosie O'Donnell and even then, (if you could possibly accept my own version of my feelings), it is more disgust, than anything else.
Your other statements about growing, learning and moving forward only bring to mind the question: what are we learning and what are we moving toward?
You are much to young to make statements about what is damaging to a nation. The very things you want to accept and overlook are what is damaging this nation.
You have made statements to the effect that I am too old, need to get with the times, come out of my cave etc., etc. I am not going to put any connection of these to a personal attack so I hope you will return the favor when I suggest that you go into your local department store, go to the section for babies, buy a baby bottle and fill it up with milk and suck on it. "Milk is for babes" as the scripture says.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 04:20 pm |
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flsr wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: flsr,
You and I will never agree on this.
I think that your ideals and so called morality is wrong, insensitive, and franky ignorant.
I believe that you are in the group of people that will be against anything that you don't understand. And as such you use verses from The Bible to back up your ideology because you won't take the time to research or understand what it is that you don't understand.
I think that using random verses, taken from times long gone, to describe times in the here and now is irrelevant.
You also pick and choose, you don't condone slavery but it says in Exodus that it is perfectly fine to sell your daughter into slavery, it says that planting two crops side by side is punishable by death.
These verses lose their meaning when taken out of context and especially when used to promote hate and bigotry.
You and I can only agree to disagree on this subject. And I hereby Agree to Disagree with you.
PVT I am not going to answer your remarks individually. We were running out of colors anyway weren't we? You take my statements out of context and ignore others as well. You accuse me of not understanding so much when I actually do understand quite a bit. I am aware that many people have male/female hormones so closely balanced that they do not know which gender to adopt and are therefore very confused. They usually make some choice. There are also those who choose the lifestyle for whatever reason.
I am not sure whether you believe in the Bible or not. You certainly don't appear to have much reverence for it. As for quoting scriptures that appear in the old testament, surely you know that the old Mosaic law and practices were fulfilled when Jesus was strung up.
I do not respect your opinions either, only your right to have them, whether in ignorance or not. The truth is I have a lot of sensitivity and sympathy for sick people whom I feel we have been discussing. I do agree to disagree with you and if you would like to get in another dig about my insensitivity and ignorance, have at it.
I'm not a fan of people using their religion or religious texts to cause harm, or promote hate against a fellow human being.
You're missing the point!
God has it in for the homosexuals, I'll give you that. Leviticus 18:22 and Romans 1 will attest to that. However, you were given Free Will. You can accept the gays without being gay. Remember...the sin is to actually be gay. Not to accept them.
Your ideas on gays are backed by your experiences and upbringing, I do not deny, that you truly believe that you are right.
However, we have grown as a species, and we have grown as a nation, and it is time to put aside this petty bickering about who sleeps with who.
They still go to work, they still lead productive lives, and quite often you don't know that they are even gay.
I think that you don't hate the gays as much as you hate the gays that tell you they are gay.
We're growing, and we're learning, and we're slowly moving forward. Don't worry, there is hope for this species yet!
"We've always done it that way." is the most damaging sentence to a nation.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 11:15 pm |
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P.VanTassell wrote: flsr,
You and I will never agree on this.
I think that your ideals and so called morality is wrong, insensitive, and franky ignorant.
I believe that you are in the group of people that will be against anything that you don't understand. And as such you use verses from The Bible to back up your ideology because you won't take the time to research or understand what it is that you don't understand.
I think that using random verses, taken from times long gone, to describe times in the here and now is irrelevant.
You also pick and choose, you don't condone slavery but it says in Exodus that it is perfectly fine to sell your daughter into slavery, it says that planting two crops side by side is punishable by death.
These verses lose their meaning when taken out of context and especially when used to promote hate and bigotry.
You and I can only agree to disagree on this subject. And I hereby Agree to Disagree with you.
PVT I am not going to answer your remarks individually. We were running out of colors anyway weren't we? You take my statements out of context and ignore others as well. You accuse me of not understanding so much when I actually do understand quite a bit. I am aware that many people have male/female hormones so closely balanced that they do not know which gender to adopt and are therefore very confused. They usually make some choice. There are also those who choose the lifestyle for whatever reason.
I am not sure whether you believe in the Bible or not. You certainly don't appear to have much reverence for it. As for quoting scriptures that appear in the old testament, surely you know that the old Mosaic law and practices were fulfilled when Jesus was strung up.
I do not respect your opinions either, only your right to have them, whether in ignorance or not. The truth is I have a lot of sensitivity and sympathy for sick people whom I feel we have been discussing. I do agree to disagree with you and if you would like to get in another dig about my insensitivity and ignorance, have at it.
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Oh you have me so curious about BDSM. Let me guess. Due to so many mispellings here, it might mean "BoarDSertifiedMorons"? Or would it have to do with things like bondage, sadomasochism or any of those things that I am probably supposed to accept and be tolerant of?
You are probably aware of "judge not, lest ye shall be judged" but not of the one cautioning those in the congregation to keep on judging one another in order to keep the congregation clean. It so happens I do not attend a church, but do not condemn those who do unless it is very apparent that the purpose of their membership is a show of Christianity that is not real, to advance their secular goals.
I am sorry, but these so-called gays are a really mixed up bunch of people. While you are busy tolerating them, have you ever noticed that in most of the unions they are trying to replicate normalcy, as in one taking on the male role and one the female role. Take the big mouth Rosie O'Donnell who refers to her wife. Read up on her history and you will learn why she is the way she is. I do tolerate them. What else can we do? It doesn't mean I have to approve of them. Incidently, I have children ranging in age from 35 to 55 who are turned off completely by the homosexuals and it wasn't necessary for me to teach them any thing about it, but I do think they feel that to stay away from them is the best thing to do. As you mentioned teachers, before, it is kind of hard to keep them away from the homo teachers. I have a son who makes good money and the family can afford for the children to be home schooled. Another would like to home school but it takes two incomes to provide for the family. Still, others of them have differing opinions about whether or not they should be educated in the public schools. It is not entirely an old person opinion.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 10:39 pm |
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flsr,
You and I will never agree on this.
I think that your ideals and so called morality is wrong, insensitive, and franky ignorant.
I believe that you are in the group of people that will be against anything that you don't understand. And as such you use verses from The Bible to back up your ideology because you won't take the time to research or understand what it is that you don't understand.
I think that using random verses, taken from times long gone, to describe times in the here and now is irrelevant.
You also pick and choose, you don't condone slavery but it says in Exodus that it is perfectly fine to sell your daughter into slavery, it says that planting two crops side by side is punishable by death.
These verses lose their meaning when taken out of context and especially when used to promote hate and bigotry.
You and I can only agree to disagree on this subject. And I hereby Agree to Disagree with you.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 09:54 pm |
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flsr wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: flsr wrote: flsr is NOT amused
We have actually been over this route of homosexuals before. If anyone thinks they are harmless, doesn't care who they sleep with or any of the rest of it, such as club meeting on school property, they should. Impressionable young folks, who are not "born that way" should not be exposed to their activities. Older homosexuals like to prey on youngsters, especially men toward young boys. I have had it happen in my family. One weirdo made it work and another one didn't. I don't care if this is not the 50's or 60's. Among the 6 things the lord hates, as told in the Bible, is men lying with men. I don't imagine he likes women lying with women too much either.
Now we can go into the whole long thing about how it did happen in the Bible times and about how animals exibit homosexual behavior and the whole bit. Even if it did happen in Bible times does not mean God appoved it. He didn't, so why should I?
If they want to refer to themselves as "gay" let them go ahead. My old dictionary defined gay differently and I like my old dictionary.
OH MY GOD I am supposed to leave the Bible out of it, but who are you calling on?
I had left this thread because it died but I must address this post.
First of all. Your definition of homosexuals are of depraved, defected, perverts, who are not only a drain on society but dangerous.They still are.
You could not be more wrong if you called them amoeba's.
Your definition and warped old-timey outlook on gays has no place in this day and age. It still does.
Yes, once, there was a time for it...it was the 50's. But the 60's addressed all that stigma against the counterculture with free love, peace, and other generic slogans.
My simple point is this...get with the times...don't hold on to your irrelevant, old fashioned, ideals. To an 18 or 19 year old they may be irrelevant, young man. Have you noticed the more we get away from old fashioned ideals, the more depraved society becomes?
And as a side note: leave the bible out of this...that subject causes more problems than it helps. You can take the necessary passages as literal or guidelines.I will not leave the Bible out of anything, as you young folks obviously have or you would not be condoning homosexuality, whether you want to stick up for Yasmine or whoever. The Bible was not written and preserved to make life easier for wrongdoers but to help them turn themselves around in order to reach the goal of eternal life.
Okay people God also says dont judge and thats exactly what you are doing, FLSR they are people also ,you need to come out of your cave, they fight everyday in the military to give you the right to sit in your church, and your right to freedom, as far as BDSM, I will not explain it to you due to the fact that you are old school and you would not understand it, also remember there are quit a few different bibles out there in circulation, Religion should be left out due to the fact, that most who say they are of the true faith, would not act as you, nor would they insult people with snide comments as you have , so get off the book, its only good for those who do as it says not as they think it says, It also states children out of wed lock are wrong, it happens everyday, It also states to treat others as you wish to be treated, and most dont,,,, I have gay family members and i treat them as i treat everyone else, you really do need to get with the times, as for preachers, they should be checked out before letting them become the back bone of a church , so that is the congregations lack of caring that lets that happen, and as for your comment about me insinuating your lack of intelligence, I dont insinuate, my feelings are that just because there are afew bad apples does not make the whole basket bad, and thats with any lifestyle,color or religion....
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 09:53 pm |
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P.VanTassell wrote: flsr wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: flsr wrote: flsr is NOT amused
We have actually been over this route of homosexuals before. If anyone thinks they are harmless, doesn't care who they sleep with or any of the rest of it, such as club meeting on school property, they should. Impressionable young folks, who are not "born that way" should not be exposed to their activities. Older homosexuals like to prey on youngsters, especially men toward young boys. I have had it happen in my family. One weirdo made it work and another one didn't. I don't care if this is not the 50's or 60's. Among the 6 things the lord hates, as told in the Bible, is men lying with men. I don't imagine he likes women lying with women too much either.
Now we can go into the whole long thing about how it did happen in the Bible times and about how animals exibit homosexual behavior and the whole bit. Even if it did happen in Bible times does not mean God appoved it. He didn't, so why should I?
If they want to refer to themselves as "gay" let them go ahead. My old dictionary defined gay differently and I like my old dictionary.
OH MY GOD I am supposed to leave the Bible out of it, but who are you calling on?Its an expression used to make people listen...Kinda like saying "Holy Cow" which is annoying Hindu'sDon't bother explaining, I am not so old and stupid. I understand the expression very well
I had left this thread because it died but I must address this post.
First of all. Your definition of homosexuals are of depraved, defected, perverts, who are not only a drain on society but dangerous.They still are. That is an opinion...and a very telling one about you. Show me any facts or figues that support this. And I don't mean one case where a gay man hurt a boy...I mean show me something that can be proven. The gays are not malicious, they are just like you and me. They get up, go to work, and come home. Just because you don't understand them does not mean that they are dangerous. The only difference between you and them is that they are attracted to their own sex.Well, your opinions tell a lot about you too. It's the same with all of us. In fact it is hard to seperate people from their opinions and that is why these discussions often deteriorate into personal attacks. I understand some of the ones I know and I also understand what made them take the route they did. This one person, I love very much. I am not filled with hate toward him at all. Have you ever heard of loving the sinner but hating the sin? Have you ever heard of a person taking medication for cancer or anything and having their mind so screwed up from it that they would desert their family and join the gay community? This is one of the pitiful cases I know of. One of the dangerous ones is the Jessica Lunsford case. Do I need to prove anything to you or anyone about that?
You could not be more wrong if you called them amoeba's.
Your definition and warped old-timey outlook on gays has no place in this day and age. It still does. No...no it doesn't. Your ideas are seen by many as insensitive and old fashioned. Ignorant and intolerant. Maybe not your friends...but there are people who don't agree. I promote tolerance...you promote hate...who is wrong?You are. Of course many people see my ideas as ignorant and intolerant. What else is new? I do not promote hate at all. I only hope to keep the weirdos away from me and my family
Yes, once, there was a time for it...it was the 50's. But the 60's addressed all that stigma against the counterculture with free love, peace, and other generic slogans.
My simple point is this...get with the times...don't hold on to your irrelevant, old fashioned, ideals. To an 18 or 19 year old they may be irrelevant, young man. Have you noticed the more we get away from old fashioned ideals, the more depraved society becomes? Society is not depraved( in my opinion.)Of course not These are different times. Your day is gone. My day will not be gone until my generation is goneGet with the times or continue to be an angry rabblerouser in the back of the room throwing spitballs.I am not stirring up anything, only answering all this with my opinions. I thought that's what we all have a right to do
And as a side note: leave the bible out of this...that subject causes more problems than it helps. You can take the necessary passages as literal or guidelines.I will not leave the Bible out of anything, as you young folks obviously have or you would not be condoning homosexuality, whether you want to stick up for Yasmine or whoeverI'm sticking up for my fellow humans. The Bible was not written and preserved to make life easier for wrongdoers but to help them turn themselves around in order to reach the goal of eternal life. Again, using the bible assumes that everyone agrees with it. 18million American's don't. Making it not a useful refrence book in civilized discussion. This is why there has been war in the Middle East for 6ooo years. Open a book....A History Book.It seems to me you are the one with the assumptions. I know perfectly well that not all agree with the Bible or accept it in any way shape or form. It certainly is a useful reference to those who believe in it. The rest, who don't, you cannot have a "civilized" discussion with anyway. We can open any book we want to, history, the Bible.........I believe all the wars were fought over religion the same as the current one. If people think it is oil, they had better listen to the purposes of those we are trying to keep off American soil--or supposedly anyway.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 08:28 pm |
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P.VanTassell wrote: Using the bible for refrence is obnoxious and ignorant.
It assumes that everyone believes that it is the undeniable writings of God and there are 18 million American's alone who disagree.
So excuse me if I don't adhere to those passages.
If you want to have a civilized discussion about anything you can't bring up religion. If a muslim came on here talking about teaching in the Quaran no one would listen...its the same thing.
Don't be ignorant.
I do take offense at your lack of courtesy with regards to how much of the balance of Americans believe and live their lives within the passages of the Bible, the 10 Commandments which are found in Exodus, Chapter 20, and other religious scripts.
I don't have the authority to excuse you from choosing to not adhere to biblical teaching. Nor is it my position to chastise you for not following them.
Furthermore I do not believe I am ignorant because I believe those Commandments are good instructions to live by.
Don't Steal - Don't Murder - Don't Commit Adultery - Keep The Sabbath - Honor Your Parents - to mention a few....
Reasonable ways to try and exist. They work for most of the world. For the most part all faith's follow them.
Given time together people from many different religious doctrines will find similarities in their doctrines. Common threads in how they believe and worship if not in what they believe.
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flteacher wrote: OkeeNarnie I should have added "recently" to my statement about knowing the inside of a high school environment.
Chobee buckeye's statement that the students aren't even discussing this doesn't surprise me. It is my experience students today are much more tolerant of differences in people than their parents are. Were there any objections to this club by students or was it just the adults in the school system and/or parents of students who objected?
Mainly the adults. There were a few students who didn't want it but, and this is true, when asked they would cite refrence that their parents had told them.
The didn't make their own decisions.
Their hatefilled parents did it for them.
Most of the students really don't care. I'd say about 60% of the students have a gay friend.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 08:04 pm |
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flsr wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: flsr wrote: flsr is NOT amused
We have actually been over this route of homosexuals before. If anyone thinks they are harmless, doesn't care who they sleep with or any of the rest of it, such as club meeting on school property, they should. Impressionable young folks, who are not "born that way" should not be exposed to their activities. Older homosexuals like to prey on youngsters, especially men toward young boys. I have had it happen in my family. One weirdo made it work and another one didn't. I don't care if this is not the 50's or 60's. Among the 6 things the lord hates, as told in the Bible, is men lying with men. I don't imagine he likes women lying with women too much either.
Now we can go into the whole long thing about how it did happen in the Bible times and about how animals exibit homosexual behavior and the whole bit. Even if it did happen in Bible times does not mean God appoved it. He didn't, so why should I?
If they want to refer to themselves as "gay" let them go ahead. My old dictionary defined gay differently and I like my old dictionary.
OH MY GOD I am supposed to leave the Bible out of it, but who are you calling on?Its an expression used to make people listen...Kinda like saying "Holy Cow" which is annoying Hindu's
I had left this thread because it died but I must address this post.
First of all. Your definition of homosexuals are of depraved, defected, perverts, who are not only a drain on society but dangerous.They still are. That is an opinion...and a very telling one about you. Show me any facts or figues that support this. And I don't mean one case where a gay man hurt a boy...I mean show me something that can be proven. The gays are not malicious, they are just like you and me. They get up, go to work, and come home. Just because you don't understand them does not mean that they are dangerous. The only difference between you and them is that they are attracted to their own sex.
You could not be more wrong if you called them amoeba's.
Your definition and warped old-timey outlook on gays has no place in this day and age. It still does. No...no it doesn't. Your ideas are seen by many as insensitive and old fashioned. Ignorant and intolerant. Maybe not your friends...but there are people who don't agree. I promote tolerance...you promote hate...who is wrong?
Yes, once, there was a time for it...it was the 50's. But the 60's addressed all that stigma against the counterculture with free love, peace, and other generic slogans.
My simple point is this...get with the times...don't hold on to your irrelevant, old fashioned, ideals. To an 18 or 19 year old they may be irrelevant, young man. Have you noticed the more we get away from old fashioned ideals, the more depraved society becomes? Society is not depraved in my opinion. These are different times. Your day is gone. Get with the times or continue to be an angry rabblerouser in the back of the room throwing spitballs.
And as a side note: leave the bible out of this...that subject causes more problems than it helps. You can take the necessary passages as literal or guidelines.I will not leave the Bible out of anything, as you young folks obviously have or you would not be condoning homosexuality, whether you want to stick up for Yasmine or whoeverI'm sticking up for my fellow humans. The Bible was not written and preserved to make life easier for wrongdoers but to help them turn themselves around in order to reach the goal of eternal life. Again, using the bible assumes that everyone agrees with it. 18million American's don't. Making it not a useful refrence book in civilized discussion. This is why there has been war in the Middle East for 6ooo years. Open a book....A History Book.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 07:56 pm |
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OkeeNarnie wrote: P.VanTassell wrote:
OH MY GOD
I had left this thread because it died but I must address this post.
First of all. Your definition of homosexuals are of depraved, defected, perverts, who are not only a drain on society but dangerous.
You could not be more wrong if you called them amoeba's.
Your definition and warped old-timey outlook on gays has no place in this day and age.
Yes, once, there was a time for it...it was the 50's. But the 60's addressed all that stigma against the counterculture with free love, peace, and other generic slogans.
My simple point is this...get with the times...don't hold on to your irrelevant, old fashioned, ideals.
And as a side note: leave the bible out of this...that subject causes more problems than it helps. You can take the necessary passages as literal or guidelines.
Hey there PVT...I have to jump in and remind you that when Moses came down off that mountain with the 10 Commandments he didn't say God gave us these as suggestions or guidelines.
Using the bible for refrence is obnoxious and ignorant.
It assumes that everyone believes that it is the undeniable writings of God and there are 18 million American's alone who disagree.
So excuse me if I don't adhere to those passages.
If you want to have a civilized discussion about anything you can't bring up religion. If a muslim came on here talking about teaching in the Quaran no one would listen...its the same thing.
Don't be ignorant.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 07:16 pm |
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P.VanTassell wrote:
OH MY GOD
I had left this thread because it died but I must address this post.
First of all. Your definition of homosexuals are of depraved, defected, perverts, who are not only a drain on society but dangerous.
You could not be more wrong if you called them amoeba's.
Your definition and warped old-timey outlook on gays has no place in this day and age.
Yes, once, there was a time for it...it was the 50's. But the 60's addressed all that stigma against the counterculture with free love, peace, and other generic slogans.
My simple point is this...get with the times...don't hold on to your irrelevant, old fashioned, ideals.
And as a side note: leave the bible out of this...that subject causes more problems than it helps. You can take the necessary passages as literal or guidelines.
Hey there PVT...I have to jump in and remind you that when Moses came down off that mountain with the 10 Commandments he didn't say God gave us these as suggestions or guidelines.
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chobee buckeye wrote: Just to answer your above question in regards to afterschool duties. There are some clubs at school where the sponsor receives no additional pay. But, coaches, band directors, cheerleading sponsors, class sponsors, yearbook, etc.. all receive an additional stipend. The guidance counselor who was assigned to sponsor the GSA did not receive additional money for her time.
Thank you buckeye for your response. I think we really need to understand of difference between the School Classes, Sports and Clubs.
Band is a regular class held every day, and just like math and history the students receive credits towards graduation. Band is NOT a extra curricular activity. Not only do the kids have to attend class they also have to be present at rehearsals, concerts, games other scheduled band events. Its all part of their grade. Our Freshmen band members are bussed to their band class to the OHS campus. All Freshmen have band at the same time . They then take the bus home from the OHS Campus..
FFA is also based on curriculum though called a club by the school
Sports - Cheer leading extend from physical education. I am not sure of the requirements or what if any credits the students receive by excelling enough to take part. I have not had any kids involved in the sports program but I see we have a large group to choose from.
Class officers, Yearbook Staff and Prom Committee are a direct part of the Class Year and the history of whichever class is holding the function. Although there is no direct scholastic involvement they are not a Club.
French, Spanish and Latin Clubs in schools have a direct connection to the language classes. These gatherings give the students a great opportunity to smooth out the rough edges of their ability to speak the foreign language by interacting with each other. They also add more about the culture of the people who speak the language. All scholastic based. Although many school refer to them as Cubs they are not just social in nature. Many students raise monies during the year and take a group trip to the country where the language is spoken. Such trips are great for the students and build memories that will last a lifetime.
CLUB's would be Art, Beta, Crime Watch, Drams, Enviro, Future Business Leaders of America, Future Farmers of America, Finance AC., HOSA, JROTC, Hey, Latin NHS, Poetry, Quill & Scroll, Spanish and Student Council.
All great groups which will enrich their lives. None of the above are connected to church or any organized religion. Nor are any of them race or lifestyle specific. This is school.
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P.VanTassell wrote: flsr wrote: flsr is NOT amused
We have actually been over this route of homosexuals before. If anyone thinks they are harmless, doesn't care who they sleep with or any of the rest of it, such as club meeting on school property, they should. Impressionable young folks, who are not "born that way" should not be exposed to their activities. Older homosexuals like to prey on youngsters, especially men toward young boys. I have had it happen in my family. One weirdo made it work and another one didn't. I don't care if this is not the 50's or 60's. Among the 6 things the lord hates, as told in the Bible, is men lying with men. I don't imagine he likes women lying with women too much either.
Now we can go into the whole long thing about how it did happen in the Bible times and about how animals exibit homosexual behavior and the whole bit. Even if it did happen in Bible times does not mean God appoved it. He didn't, so why should I?
If they want to refer to themselves as "gay" let them go ahead. My old dictionary defined gay differently and I like my old dictionary.
OH MY GOD I am supposed to leave the Bible out of it, but who are you calling on?
I had left this thread because it died but I must address this post.
First of all. Your definition of homosexuals are of depraved, defected, perverts, who are not only a drain on society but dangerous.They still are.
You could not be more wrong if you called them amoeba's.
Your definition and warped old-timey outlook on gays has no place in this day and age. It still does.
Yes, once, there was a time for it...it was the 50's. But the 60's addressed all that stigma against the counterculture with free love, peace, and other generic slogans.
My simple point is this...get with the times...don't hold on to your irrelevant, old fashioned, ideals. To an 18 or 19 year old they may be irrelevant, young man. Have you noticed the more we get away from old fashioned ideals, the more depraved society becomes?
And as a side note: leave the bible out of this...that subject causes more problems than it helps. You can take the necessary passages as literal or guidelines.I will not leave the Bible out of anything, as you young folks obviously have or you would not be condoning homosexuality, whether you want to stick up for Yasmine or whoever. The Bible was not written and preserved to make life easier for wrongdoers but to help them turn themselves around in order to reach the goal of eternal life.
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OkeeNarnie I should have added "recently" to my statement about knowing the inside of a high school environment.
Chobee buckeye's statement that the students aren't even discussing this doesn't surprise me. It is my experience students today are much more tolerant of differences in people than their parents are. Were there any objections to this club by students or was it just the adults in the school system and/or parents of students who objected?
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flsr wrote: flsr is NOT amused
We have actually been over this route of homosexuals before. If anyone thinks they are harmless, doesn't care who they sleep with or any of the rest of it, such as club meeting on school property, they should. Impressionable young folks, who are not "born that way" should not be exposed to their activities. Older homosexuals like to prey on youngsters, especially men toward young boys. I have had it happen in my family. One weirdo made it work and another one didn't. I don't care if this is not the 50's or 60's. Among the 6 things the lord hates, as told in the Bible, is men lying with men. I don't imagine he likes women lying with women too much either.
Now we can go into the whole long thing about how it did happen in the Bible times and about how animals exibit homosexual behavior and the whole bit. Even if it did happen in Bible times does not mean God appoved it. He didn't, so why should I?
If they want to refer to themselves as "gay" let them go ahead. My old dictionary defined gay differently and I like my old dictionary.
OH MY GOD
I had left this thread because it died but I must address this post.
First of all. Your definition of homosexuals are of depraved, defected, perverts, who are not only a drain on society but dangerous.
You could not be more wrong if you called them amoeba's.
Your definition and warped old-timey outlook on gays has no place in this day and age.
Yes, once, there was a time for it...it was the 50's. But the 60's addressed all that stigma against the counterculture with free love, peace, and other generic slogans.
My simple point is this...get with the times...don't hold on to your irrelevant, old fashioned, ideals.
And as a side note: leave the bible out of this...that subject causes more problems than it helps. You can take the necessary passages as literal or guidelines.
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FLA GIRL wrote: flsr wrote: FLA GIRL wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: Ciphered,
The school didn't reject this club because it had nothing to do with academics. They rejected this club because they are against homosexuals.
I was there.
Think about this, if the club was not allowed because it had nothing to do with higher education, similar clubs wouldn't be allowed.
Clubs like Japanese Club, Chess Club, any Sport at all, Yearbook Club, Poetry Club.
And as a cute little sidenote. My friends, Yasmin being one of them, were the ones who began Japanese Club, Chess Club, and Poetry Club...but hey, when its time to give the gays a chance the school board is nay saying this sudden "non-academic " club.
If you can't spot the hypocrisy you're in the same bubble as Dr. Cooper.
I agree with PVT , None of the clubs he mention are academic related, people just need to except this is not the 50`s & 60`s anymore everything is more open and will become even more as the years go, again , look at your doctor,lawyer judges, police, giudence counselors, how do you know or not know that they do not lead an alternative life style, whether it be being gay or involved in bdsm(what is this?) or worshiping what you dont believe in , aske yourself these questions and see if you can answer the honestly, Believe it or not gay people are very much part of the prominate community, as for the parent that was going to pull their children to home school, what is the issue, they could have a gay teacher or ft-ball coach and you would never know,(most likely you would) i think that is one of the most off the wall things i have heard, remember when you do this , stop buying designer jeans,shoes,jewelry,purses,(probably won't need them if you're not in school)pastries, most of the were designed by either a gay man or woman and a few by trans-gender individuals,(I agree with this)
as I said before most are part of the prominate community, and most have had to work 4 times harder than you or I to prove themselves to get where they are, (and after all, what have they proven?) Some of them have proven that it is not a good idea to be involved in homosexual activities because they are now dead. oops i almost forgot, baseball,basketball,football,hockey all have a few gay jockeys, including churchs, and most likely your favorite resturants too, as was stated about the one at the airport(landing strip cafe) you need to teach them at an early age to be able to handle themselves in all situations, not hide behind mom & dad (this was not intened to offened anyone) its just the truth, and we need to protect our children until they are old enough to protect themselves
EX: look at kids in general, big mouth kids always are trouble for picking on those who are quite or shy, but if the shy or quite child learned to say something or defend themselves then the big mouth kid will leave them alone, proven fact a bully is only a bully if you let them be, same scenerio, (gay will only approach those they know are gay) this is not true. In some cases they will victimize a straight person, draw them in, use them, so that the person feels he cannot return to normal society. and within there clickfor say, they intend no harm to no one and are the one most likely to help in a emergency type case because they have a heart and have been thru rough times
FLSR,
You can insinuate all you want, it does not bother me , as for your last comment in red, you are totally wrong, how many gay people do you actually know? apparently none, most of them will not go out of there circle, and if hiv is for only gays as you insinuate, then why are africans dieing from it everyday, including women and children,
And if you do not know what BDSM is, I can not explain it to you in a polite enough way without offending anyone,
Look Fla Girl, I have been accused of speaking without knowledge before, usually by people who don't have any more of it than I do, and occasionally not as much. It so happens I know and have known(including those who are now dead from aids) more than a few. The reason why many women and children are dying from aids in Africa and other parts of the world is because of same sex relations and bringing it home to wives and the rest of the entire family.
As to not going out of their circle, they still don't mind drawing anyone in to their damned circle.(a good reason to keep them out of the schools). As I mentioned before, it has happened in my family and while I can just about imagine the trail of thought your mind is taking on this, I could give a long explanation which I won't bother to do because of not caring to disclose any one else's privacy.
One of my daughters who was in high school back in the early 80's was aquainted with a friend (attended birthday weinie roast etc.) who later married, as most people do. The friend's husband died. My daughter, in explaining, said it was from something they called aids. It was not as well known as it is now. The friend is now dead also. I have never known whether it came about from a bad blood tranfusion or what.
As far as your explaining BDSM, go ahead, affend me. PM me.You have already offended me with your ignorant appraisal of my knowledge of aids, homosexuality and the rest of these obscene modern lifestyles.
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OkeeNarnie wrote: Thank you for addressing the areas I mentioned. The information you shared will, I am sure, help members of this community validate their opinions on this subject. I know it has me.
I have spent considerable time in a public school. I was employed in a Vocational High School. As a National Registered EMT I snagged a great job in the Nurse's Office. The topic of a Gay Strait Alliance or anything resembling this never came up when I worked there. That was quite some time ago. 1980's. I guess you might say the closet doors were kept pretty much closed back then. We didn't have much in the line of after school clubs. We had a very good band. We didn't have any sports teams. We did had 18 Vocational areas of study. Our students received a complete academic education as well as instruction in the vocational area of their choice. They had 2 weeks of academics and 2 weeks of vocational education each month. They didn't have alot of time or interest in after school clubs.
If the kids who find counter lifestyles more their norm they might find holding their Club Meetings away from Campus a great perk as they could actually have speakers and interaction with adults who live these lifestyles 24/7 share what they went through as teens and how their lives have evolved to get where they are today. I am not sure this would be allowed on Campus or that the speakers would feel comfortable coming on Campus to the kids Club.
QUESTION: Are Instructors who remain after school and take part as adult supervision for After School activities paid extra by what ever agency covers the School Payroll? Do these teachers/instructors only volunteer with perhaps a stipend paid by the group of kids involved? I know that some after school activities are part of the standard curriculum and therefore not considered extra. The Band Director stays for practice, home and away games and concerts. Sports coach's remain for practice and home and away games. All teachers remain or return for parent teacher meetings. All of which I think are included in their duties.
Just to answer your above question in regards to afterschool duties. There are some clubs at school where the sponsor receives no additional pay. But, coaches, band directors, cheerleading sponsors, class sponsors, yearbook, etc.. all receive an additional stipend. The guidance counselor who was assigned to sponsor the GSA did not receive additional money for her time.
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Thank you for addressing the areas I mentioned. The information you shared will, I am sure, help members of this community validate their opinions on this subject. I know it has me.
I have spent considerable time in a public school. I was employed in a Vocational High School. As a National Registered EMT I snagged a great job in the Nurse's Office. The topic of a Gay Strait Alliance or anything resembling this never came up when I worked there. That was quite some time ago. 1980's. I guess you might say the closet doors were kept pretty much closed back then. We didn't have much in the line of after school clubs. We had a very good band. We didn't have any sports teams. We did had 18 Vocational areas of study. Our students received a complete academic education as well as instruction in the vocational area of their choice. They had 2 weeks of academics and 2 weeks of vocational education each month. They didn't have alot of time or interest in after school clubs. We did have a great Adult Education Program in the evenings with classes offered in several vocational areas.
If the kids who find counter lifestyles more their norm they might find holding their Club Meetings away from Campus a great perk as they could actually have speakers and interaction with adults who live these lifestyles 24/7 share what they went through as teens and how their lives have evolved to get where they are today. I am not sure this would be allowed on Campus or that the speakers would feel comfortable coming on Campus to the kids Club.
QUESTION: Are Instructors who remain after school and take part as adult supervision for After School activities paid extra by what ever agency covers the School Payroll? Do these teachers/instructors only volunteer with perhaps a stipend paid by the group of kids involved? I know that some after school activities are part of the standard curriculum and therefore not considered extra. The Band Director stays for practice, home and away games and concerts. Sports coach's remain for practice and home and away games. All teachers remain or return for parent teacher meetings. All of which I think are included in their duties.
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OkeeNarnie wrote: (edited)Reading back over older posts I came upon your statement referring to "openly gay and lesbian students" and "they are members of every race and socio-economic group. Statistically speaking it is estimated 5% of the population consider themselves gay or lesbian. With 1200 students at the high school the estimate would be around 60 students falling within these groups. Do the math for the population of Okeechobee and the number is in the thousands.
I would like to know what you meant by Openly Gay and Lesbian. Students who through dress, mannerisms and personal associations are not hiding the fact they are gay or lesbian.
I would like to know if you were referring to the children at the school or to the homosexual community when you stated, "They are members of every race and socio-economic group - yes even in Okeechobee" Both.
Matters dealing with personal sexuality issues do not belong at a public school. At school the students should remain focused on the lessons instructed there. That is what they are there for 180 days a year. After school or on weekends Mary can go to the movies with Harry or Sally. And Joe can go fishing with Moe or Zoe because that is the social time. OkeeNarnie, I am going to guess you have never spent any significant amount of time inside a public high school. If you had you would have witnessed all kinds sexual behavior occurring between students - most all between heterosexuals. Acts ranges from kissing, caressing, hugging to oral sex and intercourse happen on school grounds. Again, I do not teach at OHS so I cannot speak about specific sexual activity between students there. Having said that at every school, including middle school, where I have taught students have been caught engaged in sex acts. With the new cell phone technology a large number of them are filming their acts and sending them to friends and posting them on Utube and Myspace (until removed by the site). In a perfect world students would be attending school solely for the purpose of education - we are NOT in a perfect world. With reference to the adult club sponsor who will enforce the rules, do we have rules in place for sexual preference clubs? What would be allowed or stopped? Hand holding, embraces and kisses? Cross dressing? What could be discussed in a meeting of and about embracing homosexuality, bisexuality, cross-dressing and trans-gender lifestyles not to mention the interest in BDSM Existing school rules and regulations for club activity would apply and prevent inappropriate behavior. How will the school choose which one of their teachers actually has the knowledge to sponsor this group of young people? The sponsor would volunteer to be the club sponsor, some clubs have stipends others do not. With the current climate against this club I am sure most staff would steer clear of this controversy. Administration rarely looks favorably upon staff who oppose their views. How many OHS students are expected to have interest in this club anyway? If I recall the number was less than 10 but if they meet the requirements for organizing a club, and have a staff sponsor they should be allowed to meet. Personally, I would rather see this club meet at school, with a faculty member, operating under school guidelines than force the kids to meet somewhere in the community with the possibility of unscrupulous adults showing up who may have ulterior motives.
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flteacher wrote:
Your children are attending school with both openly gay and lesbian students in their classes. They are members of every race and socio-economic group - yes even in Okeechobee. How will allowing this club to meet after school hurt your children? Do you realize you are promoting discrimination because their sexual orientation offends you?
Scarce educational dollars are being spent to fight a high school club from meeting on school grounds due to the fact their lifestyle choice offends the moral majority. Any concerns about inappropriate sexual behavior during the meeting is a moot point. The adult club sponsor should be present at all meetings and this type of behavior would violate existing school rules.
Reading back over older posts I came upon your statement referring to "openly gay and lesbian students" and "they are members of every race and socio-economic group.
I would like to know what you meant by Openly Gay and Lesbian.
I would like to know if you were referring to the children at the school or to the homosexual community when you stated, "They are members of every race and socio-economic group - yes even in Okeechobee"
In response to, "Do you realize you are promoting discrimination because their sexual orientation offends you?" It doesn't matter who they choose to be sexually involved with. Matters dealing with personal sexuality issues do not belong at a public school. At school the students should remain focused on the lessons instructed there. That is what they are there for 180 days a year. After school or on weekends Mary can go to the movies with Harry or Sally. And Joe can go fishing with Moe or Zoe because that is the social time.
With reference to the adult club sponsor who will enforce the rules, do we have rules in place for sexual preference clubs? What would be allowed or stopped? Hand holding, embraces and kisses? Cross dressing? What could be discussed in a meeting of and about embracing homosexuality, bisexuality, cross-dressing and trans-gender lifestyles not to mention the interest in BDSM (BDSM is a blanket term referring to the practice of a wide spectrum of activities and forms of interpersonal relationships. While not always overtly sexual in nature, the activities and relationships within a BDSM context are almost always eroticized by the participants in some fashion. As many of these practices fall outside of commonly held social norms, they may be viewed as a form of sexual fetishism, although activities and interpersonal relationships are also eroticized in this fashion, and not merely objects.)
How will the school choose which one of their teachers actually has the knowledge to sponsor this group of young people?
The adult sponsor of the chess club is knowledgeable of the game?
The French or Latin Club's sponsor speaks the language?
I am not trying to be a comedian here, this is far from humorous. We are talking about our kids here. These are valid questions that should be answered if the children of this community are involved.
Many people believe none of this belongs at the school that relationships, other then being friends, and sexual matters are personal and belong kept that way. Not for discussion in public.
How many OHS students are expected to have interest in this club anyway?
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flsr wrote: FLA GIRL wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: Ciphered,
The school didn't reject this club because it had nothing to do with academics. They rejected this club because they are against homosexuals.
I was there.
Think about this, if the club was not allowed because it had nothing to do with higher education, similar clubs wouldn't be allowed.
Clubs like Japanese Club, Chess Club, any Sport at all, Yearbook Club, Poetry Club.
And as a cute little sidenote. My friends, Yasmin being one of them, were the ones who began Japanese Club, Chess Club, and Poetry Club...but hey, when its time to give the gays a chance the school board is nay saying this sudden "non-academic " club.
If you can't spot the hypocrisy you're in the same bubble as Dr. Cooper.
I agree with PVT , None of the clubs he mention are academic related, people just need to except this is not the 50`s & 60`s anymore everything is more open and will become even more as the years go, again , look at your doctor,lawyer judges, police, giudence counselors, how do you know or not know that they do not lead an alternative life style, whether it be being gay or involved in bdsm(what is this?) or worshiping what you dont believe in , aske yourself these questions and see if you can answer the honestly, Believe it or not gay people are very much part of the prominate community, as for the parent that was going to pull their children to home school, what is the issue, they could have a gay teacher or ft-ball coach and you would never know,(most likely you would) i think that is one of the most off the wall things i have heard, remember when you do this , stop buying designer jeans,shoes,jewelry,purses,(probably won't need them if you're not in school)pastries, most of the were designed by either a gay man or woman and a few by trans-gender individuals,(I agree with this)
as I said before most are part of the prominate community, and most have had to work 4 times harder than you or I to prove themselves to get where they are, (and after all, what have they proven?) Some of them have proven that it is not a good idea to be involved in homosexual activities because they are now dead. oops i almost forgot, baseball,basketball,football,hockey all have a few gay jockeys, including churchs, and most likely your favorite resturants too, as was stated about the one at the airport(landing strip cafe) you need to teach them at an early age to be able to handle themselves in all situations, not hide behind mom & dad (this was not intened to offened anyone) its just the truth, and we need to protect our children until they are old enough to protect themselves
EX: look at kids in general, big mouth kids always are trouble for picking on those who are quite or shy, but if the shy or quite child learned to say something or defend themselves then the big mouth kid will leave them alone, proven fact a bully is only a bully if you let them be, same scenerio, (gay will only approach those they know are gay) this is not true. In some cases they will victimize a straight person, draw them in, use them, so that the person feels he cannot return to normal society. and within there clickfor say, they intend no harm to no one and are the one most likely to help in a emergency type case because they have a heart and have been thru rough times
FLSR,
You can insinuate all you want, it does not bother me , as for your last comment in red, you are totally wrong, how many gay people do you actually know? apparently none, most of them will not go out of there circle, and if hiv is for only gays as you insinuate, then why are africans dieing from it everyday, including women and children,
And if you do not know what BDSM is, I can not explain it to you in a polite enough way without offending anyone,
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flteacher wrote: OkeeNarnie wrote: RE-POSTED ... IN FACT THIS MAY BE THE FEELING OF MANY.
I am not discriminating against the Homosexual, Bisexual, Cross dresser or Trans-Gender lifestyle. I could care less who anyone else sleeps with. I just do not believe any "Club" or "Self Help Group" which caters towards ANY sexual lifestyle belongs or should be supported or allowed to operate in any public school system in this country.
School property is not the place for this activity. Before, during or after school sessions.
Instruction in how to get along and accept diversity is not something that should be considered part of the lesson plan in our public school system.
If any group of citizens of any community wish to have such a club it should be at another location and at the expense of its members not the taxpayers.
I don't believe at this time the school property can be leased for public functions so that wouldn't be an option either, unless they county chose to open the property up for public functions. It could then be a great place for club meetings, wedding receptions and family reunions. Plenty of parking available. Great spot for dancing in the cafeteria.
How do you feel about race specific and religious student clubs meeting on school property?
School facilities in the district where I teach are leased out regularly during non school hours, especially to religious groups.
Are you a teacher in Okeechobee? I was not aware our school buildings/grounds were leased out to the public for activities. (as I stated in my previous post)
I do know that the Okeechobee Auditorium was/is used as a place of worship. I am also aware that same Auditorium is used by the Community Arts Group for plays. I am not sure if that building is considered exclusively an Okeechobee County School Building.
I hope you are not going to compare a church congreation and a theatre group with the Gay Strait Alliance - Homosexual, Bisexual, Cross-Dresser, Tans-Gender Club for Teenagers.
In answer to your question I have never heard of a race specific club and I do not think we have any religious student clubs on the OHS Campus. There are enough churches around this county that should the kids desire a Faith Based Club one of them would happily sponser the activity.
I am sure if I am incorrect someone will let us know.
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OkeeNarnie wrote: RE-POSTED ... IN FACT THIS MAY BE THE FEELING OF MANY.
I am not discriminating against the Homosexual, Bisexual, Cross dresser or Trans-Gender lifestyle. I could care less who anyone else sleeps with. I just do not believe any "Club" or "Self Help Group" which caters towards ANY sexual lifestyle belongs or should be supported or allowed to operate in any public school system in this country.
School property is not the place for this activity. Before, during or after school sessions.
Instruction in how to get along and accept diversity is not something that should be considered part of the lesson plan in our public school system.
If any group of citizens of any community wish to have such a club it should be at another location and at the expense of its members not the taxpayers.
I don't believe at this time the school property can be leased for public functions so that wouldn't be an option either, unless they county chose to open the property up for public functions. It could then be a great place for club meetings, wedding receptions and family reunions. Plenty of parking available. Great spot for dancing in the cafeteria.
How do you feel about race specific and religious student clubs meeting on school property?
School facilities in the district where I teach are leased out regularly during non school hours, especially to religious groups.
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RE-POSTED ... IN FACT THIS MAY BE THE FEELING OF MANY.
I am not discriminating against the Homosexual, Bisexual, Cross dresser or Trans-Gender lifestyle. I could care less who anyone else sleeps with. I just do not believe any "Club" or "Self Help Group" which caters towards ANY sexual lifestyle belongs or should be supported or allowed to operate in any public school system in this country.
School property is not the place for this activity. Before, during or after school sessions.
Instruction in how to get along and accept diversity is not something that should be considered part of the lesson plan in our public school system.
If any group of citizens of any community wish to have such a club it should be at another location and at the expense of its members not the taxpayers.
I don't believe at this time the school property can be leased for public functions so that wouldn't be an option either, unless they county chose to open the property up for public functions. It could then be a great place for club meetings, wedding receptions and family reunions. Plenty of parking available. Great spot for dancing in the cafeteria.
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FLA GIRL wrote: P.VanTassell wrote: Ciphered,
The school didn't reject this club because it had nothing to do with academics. They rejected this club because they are against homosexuals.
I was there.
Think about this, if the club was not allowed because it had nothing to do with higher education, similar clubs wouldn't be allowed.
Clubs like Japanese Club, Chess Club, any Sport at all, Yearbook Club, Poetry Club.
And as a cute little sidenote. My friends, Yasmin being one of them, were the ones who began Japanese Club, Chess Club, and Poetry Club...but hey, when its time to give the gays a chance the school board is nay saying this sudden "non-academic " club.
If you can't spot the hypocrisy you're in the same bubble as Dr. Cooper.
I agree with PVT , None of the clubs he mention are academic related, people just need to except this is not the 50`s & 60`s anymore everything is more open and will become even more as the years go, again , look at your doctor,lawyer judges, police, giudence counselors, how do you know or not know that they do not lead an alternative life style, whether it be being gay or involved in bdsm(what is this?) or worshiping what you dont believe in , aske yourself these questions and see if you can answer the honestly, Believe it or not gay people are very much part of the prominate community, as for the parent that was going to pull their children to home school, what is the issue, they could have a gay teacher or ft-ball coach and you would never know,(most likely you would) i think that is one of the most off the wall things i have heard, remember when you do this , stop buying designer jeans,shoes,jewelry,purses,(probably won't need them if you're not in school)pastries, most of the were designed by either a gay man or woman and a few by trans-gender individuals,(I agree with this)
as I said before most are part of the prominate community, and most have had to work 4 times harder than you or I to prove themselves to get where they are, (and after all, what have they proven?) Some of them have proven that it is not a good idea to be involved in homosexual activities because they are now dead. oops i almost forgot, baseball,basketball,football,hockey all have a few gay jockeys, including churchs, and most likely your favorite resturants too, as was stated about the one at the airport(landing strip cafe) you need to teach them at an early age to be able to handle themselves in all situations, not hide behind mom & dad (this was not intened to offened anyone) its just the truth, and we need to protect our children until they are old enough to protect themselves
EX: look at kids in general, big mouth kids always are trouble for picking on those who are quite or shy, but if the shy or quite child learned to say something or defend themselves then the big mouth kid will leave them alone, proven fact a bully is only a bully if you let them be, same scenerio, (gay will only approach those they know are gay) | | |