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Posted: Wed Jul 9th, 2008 01:54 pm |
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VAN-TASSELL WROTE:
No one is without sin...assuming one sin is above another is ludicrous.
Try and get the whole story before you use Religion to spew out hatred and intolerance for your fellow man. Just because you were born straight doesn't mean that gives you the right to hate, or judge, homosexuals.
You are correct no one is without sin. There were no assumptions made of one sin being above another.
The only assumption made was by yourself, that hatred and intolerance were spewed out.
The only thing written was GOD's word and if you think it spreads hatred, I feel sorry for you.
The Christian point of view is based solely upon the Bible, the divinely inspired Word of God. A truly Christian standard of ethics is the conduct of divine revelation, not of statistical research nor of public opinion. For the Christian, the Bible is the final authority for both belief and behavior. As a Christian I should hate all sin, but I would not be justified in hating the sinner.
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Posted: Wed Jul 9th, 2008 12:18 pm |
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FLA GIRL wrote: Let me educate the narrow minded,
Being gay is not a choice it is a birth defect, I have an uncle that is gay and my entire family has done research for many years to find out what causes this in a person, normally its a boy born with girl hormomes or a girl born with boy hormones, or if you will the opposite sexs brain, If the truth be known this is Gods fault for all you religious people, he is the one that let them be born this way, so if you want to blame someone blame him,
Birth defect?
As in, handicap or shortcoming?
I agree with the intent of what you are saying, but not at all the words you chose to use to convey your point. Homosexuality is a birth condition, not a defect. No more than having more melanin content in your skin is a condition, or having longer bone structure is a condition. I'm sure you would agree that neither being black or tall is a birth defect, those conditions simply are. They are not an impairment, which a defect is considered to be.
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FLA GIRL
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Posted: Wed Jul 9th, 2008 11:45 am |
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Let me educate the narrow minded,
Being gay is not a choice it is a birth defect, I have an uncle that is gay and my entire family has done research for many years to find out what causes this in a person, normally its a boy born with girl hormomes or a girl born with boy hormones, or if you will the opposite sexs brain, If the truth be known this is Gods fault for all you religious people, he is the one that let them be born this way, so if you want to blame someone blame him,
I personally think that the school is in the wrong and I hope they win their suite, due to the fact, there are all kinds of clubs that go on at the school that maybe you or I dont approve of, but they are still there..
But on the other hand I dont think its a wise idea for the kids to have it there its to public and would creat issues for them, as okeenarnie stated she would not be seen at the club due to recourse, well I would go to any of their public meetings and not worry due to the fact i do not judge, I dont go to church, and I dont approve of religion being used to turn people to god, I do believe there is a higher being but I dont have to waste my sunday sitting in a pew and listening to a preacher tell me what I can read for myself,, this is the same thing, If you are a christian person and you judge these kids then you should not be in a congregation due to you are not a true christian....I believe live and let live
Do you realize how many Judges, preachers,law enforcment, lawyers, doctors, are gay go to a gay bar one day and you will get my point, I like watching the drag queen shows they use to have, I have not been in a while, but I can tell you the that it will floor you to see who you know in your community that is gay an hides it well...
heres an example of real christian people(NOT) When my hisband first was discharged from the military he tried to get back into his old church, once they found out what he did in the military they asked him to leave, and used a different excuse, once we were married they asked me to leave for the same reasons, which was totally wrong, again we tried a different church and the same thing happened, so please dont state from the bible because so many preach from it but cant follow what it says, God is willing to forgive if you believe in him, go to church and do the right things to correct your wrong well we did and still do , but it does not make a difference to people so please, unless you can not judge then dont quote from the bible its only words if there is no meaning
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OkeeNarnie
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Posted: Wed Jul 9th, 2008 01:21 am |
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P.VanTassell wrote: Also, Its not a self-help group...To call it that assumes that there is a problem. Homosexuality isn't a problem, it is a natural orientation. The problem is that the prejudices against the gays is nothing different than that of Jews, Blacks, Asians, and Women.
I would imagine New Horizons would allow such a self help group space at their facility. They might even become involved with the meetings.
They could be very helpful with information to help these young people deal with the difficulties they feel they face.Feel they face? They do face rejection, prejudice, and abuse. If not New Horizons someplace else and they really should have some input from adults with some knowledge to answer their questions, not just turned loose to gather and try to figure out solutions on their own. Thats not how Self Help Groups work, you get advice from others who have been through where your walking now. New Horizons is a rehabilitation centre...The GSA doesn't rehabilitate you...it promotes tolerance. There is no problem.
First what they need IS a self help group to help them learn to live the way they want to on a world that is not ready to accept them as gay teen individuals who wish to to live their lifestyle very openly. All Self Help Groups are not to change you. They can help you live better and happier.
Now before you bust a button read on...People have been gay and living well that way since biblical times. Society is much more lenient today then they were 2000 years ago. So we have come along way baby to get where we are today.
Gay couples have existed in every corner of the world for generations. Today they are even allowed to marry, which doesn't make them any closer just legal. They are able to enjoy the legal rite's of spouse under the law. People have been leaving their worldly goods to their lovers in a will for generations. Today with the marriages they get the insurance and Social Security benefits. The marriage allows for financial security. Doesn't make the love and bond any stronger.
A club is where you gather and share a common interest in some pastime. The Photography club, The Latin club, The Quilting Club, The Red Hat Society. What these kids need is a Self Help Program to help them learn to live as they choose in a world not ready for them. There is nothing they can do to change the entire world to accept them nor will flaunting the lifestyle make it any better. In a self help group with open discussions with others who share the interest in the lifestyle they can live as they choose and maybe in the process make the space they live in a little brighter.
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Posted: Wed Jul 9th, 2008 12:07 am |
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Read the verse right after those and see how that fits you.
ROMANS 2:1
Therefore you have no excuse, O man, whoever you are, when you judge another; for in passing judgment upon him you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, are doing the very same things.
No one is without sin...assuming one sin is above another is ludicrous.
Try and get the whole story before you use Religion to spew out hatred and intolerance for your fellow man. Just because you were born straight doesn't mean that gives you the right to hate, or judge, homosexuals.
Last edited on Wed Jul 9th, 2008 12:13 am by P.VanTassell
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Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 09:23 pm |
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Romans 1:18, 24-28, 32 The WRATH OF GOD is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness.... [24] Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the DEGRADING of their bodies with one another. [25] They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator — who is forever praised. Amen. [26] Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for UNNATURAL ones. [27] In the same way the MEN ALSO ABANDONED NATURAL RELATIONS WITH WOMEN AND WERE INFLAMED WITH LUST FOR ONE ANOTHER. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their PERVERSION. [28] Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.... [32] Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Matthew 19:4-5 “Haven’t you read,” [Jesus] replied, “that at the beginning the CREATOR ‘made them MALE AND FEMALE,’ [5] and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?
(8) Jesus settled this issue once for all — GOD made them “MALE and FEMALE ... a MAN ... [and] his WIFE.”
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Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 08:22 pm |
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OkeeNarnie wrote: One post in that thread says: (quote) I don't think it's about having a club to meet other gays. I think it's about getting together to talk about the difficulties in their lives because of their sexual orientation. Teenagers are not very tolerant of other people. They all have their little cliques and those who are not "in" are harassed, teased, and intimidated. It's sad.The point of the club is to make Homosexuality less of a taboo subject. If it is a recognized club its less of an alien subject.
That being stated, I personally, would not be seen entering, attending or leaving the meeting. To do so would be inviting people to harass, tease and intimidate me. I attended one meeting at the request of the original President, Yasmin. It was the kind of meeting you would expect, talking of promoting the club and rules of hierarchy. I have yet to be harassed.
What is more important to the kids who feel they need this self help group? Holding the meetings? or Holding the meetings at school where everyone will know who goes to the meeting?I explained this in the first paragraph.
So much has been said about this "club" that all who go will be the center of attention. The population of the school will be watching to see who goes and then, because they are kids, will be pointing fingers that those who go are admitting they are gay. That old theory always proves sad but true, "Your judged by the company you keep." They don't need a club to discuss ways to live in a strait community as a gay individual. Being gay is not a new quirk in life. People have been living that way for many years. Relationships are supposed to be your PERSONAL PRIVATE LIFE. Personal Private Life? Thats a two way street. "Prom" is a fancy word for "School-Sponsored Date" as is the Homecoming Court and "Socials" in Middle School. Gay Relationships are Personal Private Life...not straight apparently.
It would appear that the few who are pushing this club must enjoy being the center of attention, at the expense of anyone in their way. They like having their name in print and their face on the TV News. No, they like to get the word out there...they like to be apart of the solution.
Clubs like they are speaking of are self help groups. They don't really belong at school but there is certainly a place in every community for them. We have lots of them here already. If there is a group of teens who wish to have a group they are more then welcomed to have it. I do not understand why they won't hold their group away from the school. Why do they have to be able to walk into a class room at the school to have a self help meeting? Again, see the first paragraph edit. Also, Its not a self-help group...To call it that assumes that there is a problem. Homosexuality isn't a problem, it is a natural orientation. The problem is that the prejudices against the gays is nothing different than that of Jews, Blacks, Asians, and Women.
I would imagine New Horizons would allow such a self help group space at their facility. They might even become involved with the meetings.
They could be very helpful with information to help these young people deal with the difficulties they feel they face.Feel they face? They do face rejection, prejudice, and abuse. If not New Horizons someplace else and they really should have some input from adults with some knowledge to answer their questions, not just turned loose to gather and try to figure out solutions on their own. Thats not how Self Help Groups work, you get advice from others who have been through where your walking now. New Horizons is a rehabilitation centre...The GSA doesn't rehabilitate you...it promotes tolerance. There is no problem.
Just My 2 Cents
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Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 08:02 pm |
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Thanks T-Bone ....
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Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 01:43 pm |
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Go to the Google search bar -- enter-- http://www.youtube.com -search for - come on down to the farm. By Lewis and Lewis, not the nasty ones.
I got a kick out of this, it says it all about same sex marriages.
Last edited on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 07:55 pm by T-BONE
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OkeeNarnie
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Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 01:03 pm |
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One post in that thread says: (quote) I don't think it's about having a club to meet other gays. I think it's about getting together to talk about the difficulties in their lives because of their sexual orientation. Teenagers are not very tolerant of other people. They all have their little cliques and those who are not "in" are harassed, teased, and intimidated. It's sad.
That being stated, I personally, would not be seen entering, attending or leaving the meeting. To do so would be inviting people to harrass, tease and intimidate me.
What is more important to the kids who feel they need this self help group? Holding the meetings? or Holding the meetings at school where everyone will know who goes to the meeting?
So much has been said about this "club" that all who go will be the center of attention. The population of the school will be watching to see who goes and then, because they are kids, will be pointing fingers that those who go are admitting they are gay. That old theory always proves sad but true, "Your judged by the company you keep." They don't need a club to discuss ways to live in a strait community as a gay individual. Being gay is not a new quirk in life. People have been living that way for many years. Relationships are supposed to be your PERSONAL PRIVATE LIFE.
It would appear that the few who are pushing this club must enjoy being the center of attention, at the expense of anyone in their way. They like having their name in print and their face on the TV News.
Clubs like they are speaking of are self help groups. They don't really belong at school but there is certainly a place in every community for them. We have lots of them here already. If there is a group of teens who wish to have a group they are more then welcomed to have it. I do not understand why they won't hold their group away from the school. Why do they have to be able to walk into a class room at the school to have a self help meeting?
I would imagine New Horizions would allow such a self help group space at their facility. They might even become involved with the meetings.
They could be very helpful with information to help these young people deal with the difficulties they feel they face. If not New Horizons someplace else and they really should have some input from adults with some knowledge to answer their questions, not just turned loose to gather and try to figure out solutions on their own. Thats not how Self Help Groups work, you get advice from others who have been through where your walking now.
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