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Posted: Sat Jul 12th, 2008 04:15 am |
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Bilgerat wrote:What does any of that have to do with the original point I made? I'm done here, good luck with your issue
I'm actually surprised that you are taking this stance and attitude.
Allow me to provide a similar example, more personal to you, in the hopes you understand my point better.
You spent a significant amount of time in the Navy, if I remember correctly, and were SAR at one point. You served honorably in one of the branches of the US Military.
Does your service, in the Navy, qualify you to discuss the life of a US Army Records Clerk? Just because you were in the Military doesn't mean that you know or understand what someone in a different service with a different MOS does or knows. While you have unquestionable insight into the general aspects of military life, your specific experiences may not parallel those of a Solider, Marine, Airman, or even another Sailor with a different Rate. However, a Records Clerk from any branch of service would have some credibility when speaking about the Army Records Clerk, because their job / training / experience is somewhat similar.
Transfer that concept to the IT department at the school. FLTeacher works at the school (Military), just like the IT personnel. But if FLTeacher is not certified in IT, and does not have a broad understanding of IT's capabilities, how can she claim to have credibility with regards to what they can and can not do? Her experience is in the classroom, and her experience in the classroom is not being challenged. Her experience in IT is.
All this discussion serves to do is completely divert from the original point. There is no need by school administration, nor a requirement by Sunshine, for teacher's e-mail addresses to be posted in public forum where anyone can see them. Parents have every right to request the teacher's e-mail addresses from the school, and the school should be required to provide them, IAW Sunshine. But the concept that the school should have to post them in public does not support any of the current requirements by law, and could serve to compromise or disrupt the school's IT security.
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Just for the record, there is an IT person at the high school with limited access to the network. MIS holds the controls now. The other school-site ITs have been eliminated. 
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MSF wrote: Bilgerat wrote:
Well I read your missive, and I must say that the "tone" of this one seems a might less "arrogant" than the previous ones.
As for what Flteacher speaks I cannot say, as I am not in her realm. However, I would guess that she, or Okeegator or Chobee Buckeye or Teach N Fool might know a tad more than you about schools and their systems, unless you are involved in the system.
So, are you?
No, I am not. Okay, we've established your "lack" of credentials.
Since our discussion was about posting e-mail address in a public domain, I don't see what that fact has to do with the original subject matter. I'd guess that the Addy's she speaking of are the ones the system issued, not "personal" ones.
Do I need to be involved in the school system to know what capabilities IT personnel have? I'm thinking yes. Since the IT Dept (or lack thereof) is different from place to place. If there is no IT Dept in the School, just "support" from a higher level, that kinda make your position tentative, no?
FLTeacher doesn't know about the school's IT personnel anymore than the rest of us, as her statement about what they probably can and can not do clearly indicates. Again, since you aren't part of the system you know all about the IT Dept how?
Nor do I need to be involved in the school system to know that an e-mail, written in Spanish by a Spanish speaking parent to a teacher who does not speak Spanish, is no more useful that a parent-teacher conference between the two without an interpreter. Did you read what you said? Did it make sense to you?
What does any of that have to do with the original point I made? I'm done here, good luck with your issue
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Posted: Sat Jul 12th, 2008 03:42 am |
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Bilgerat wrote:
Well I read your missive, and I must say that the "tone" of this one seems a might less "arrogant" than the previous ones.
As for what Flteacher speaks I cannot say, as I am not in her realm. However, I would guess that she, or Okeegator or Chobee Buckeye or Teach N Fool might know a tad more than you about schools and their systems, unless you are involved in the system.
So, are you?
No, I am not.
Since our discussion was about posting e-mail address in a public domain, I don't see what that fact has to do with the original subject matter.
Do I need to be involved in the school system to know what capabilities IT personnel have? FLTeacher doesn't know about the school's IT personnel anymore than the rest of us, as her statement about what they most likely can and can not do clearly indicates.
Nor do I need to be involved in the school system to know that an e-mail, written in Spanish by a Spanish speaking parent to a teacher who does not speak Spanish, is no more useful that a parent-teacher conference between the two without an interpreter.
What does any of that have to do with the original point I made?
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MSF wrote: Bilgerat wrote: MSF wrote: I'm not sure if your attitude with me is due to your argument with others in this thread or if there is some other reason you're being so snotty and arrogant.
Come back when you're in the mood to be civil and I'll be happy to continue our discussion.
I just can't help myself
So, are you saying that there is only room for ONE person to be "snotty and arrogant" and you've filled that slot?
Or is it that Flteacher might be right and you have no response?
I'm just wondering 
I'll be happy to respond, since you feel the need to involve yourself in our conversation.
First, FLteacher's original statement was that e-mail addresses should be posted in public for parents. I disagreed, citing security concerns. She then cited the Sunshine. I brought her attention to the fact that nothing in Sunshine states e-mails must be displayed in public. She then asked when she said they should. I would have drawn her back to her original comment.
My next question would be to ask when she was certified in IT, since she saw fit to comment on capabilities of IT personnel. Further, I'd ask why she felt the need to attack the school's IT personnel by claiming that they don't know enough to create a simple webpage.
I'd also ask how having an e-mail provided to a Spanish speaking parent makes any more sense than having to use an interpreter in a classroom. I'm sure you realize that an e-mail written in Spanish will still need to be translated, making the entire process every bit as time consuming. Further, I'd ask her to hold back on her condescending attitude, as I've not presented the same to her in the slightest.
Finally, with regard to joining the digital age, I'd ask her when I said that my files were paper, and not digitized. I'd then have informed her that they are all digitized on the 500GB backpackdrive, currently connected to my computer.
I'm not sure if you've noticed, but I've gone quite the distance since the flare-up with Icare to ensure that any conversation I've involved myself in, I've not made a single personal attack. I've asked questions, just as I always have, but when people begin to question my integrity or knowledge, I've responded calmly and politely, instead of fighting fire with fire. Just as I have here.
Think whatever you will of me. I couldn't care less. But if I'm treating you with respect, I expect it in return. I think you feel the same, as would most adults on this site. Now, instead of continuing to raise the negativity of the thread, I'm trying to ensure that everyone gets a break, if they so choose, before continuing what had started as a decent discussion. If they want to continue to spit and spin, they can do it without me. Yet you seem to have a problem with that. If that's the case, I'd speculate that it's your problem to resolve.
Well I read your missive, and I must say that the "tone" of this one seems a might less "arrogant" than the previous ones.
As for what Flteacher speaks I cannot say, as I am not in her realm. However, I would guess that she, or Okeegator or Chobee Buckeye or Teach N Fool might know a tad more than you about schools and their systems, unless you are involved in the system.
So, are you?
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Posted: Sat Jul 12th, 2008 03:27 am |
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Bilgerat wrote: MSF wrote: I'm not sure if your attitude with me is due to your argument with others in this thread or if there is some other reason you're being so snotty and arrogant.
Come back when you're in the mood to be civil and I'll be happy to continue our discussion.
I just can't help myself
So, are you saying that there is only room for ONE person to be "snotty and arrogant" and you've filled that slot?
Or is it that Flteacher might be right and you have no response?
I'm just wondering
I'll be happy to respond, since you feel the need to involve yourself in our conversation.
First, FLteacher's original statement was that e-mail addresses should be posted in public for parents. I disagreed, citing security concerns. She then cited the Sunshine. I brought her attention to the fact that nothing in Sunshine states e-mails must be displayed in public. She then asked when she said they should. I would have drawn her back to her original comment.
My next question would be to ask when she was certified in IT, since she saw fit to comment on capabilities of IT personnel. Further, I'd ask why she felt the need to attack the school's IT personnel by claiming that they don't know enough to create a simple webpage.
I'd also ask how having an e-mail provided to a Spanish speaking parent makes any more sense than having to use an interpreter in a classroom. I'm sure you realize that an e-mail written in Spanish will still need to be translated, making the entire process every bit as time consuming. Further, I'd ask her to hold back on her condescending attitude, as I've not presented the same to her in the slightest.
Finally, with regard to joining the digital age, I'd ask her when I said that my files were paper, and not digitized. I'd then have informed her that they are all digitized on the 500GB backpackdrive, currently connected to my computer.
I'm not sure if you've noticed, but I've gone quite the distance since the flare-up with Icare to ensure that any conversation I've involved myself in, I've not made a single personal attack. I've asked questions, just as I always have, but when people begin to question my integrity or knowledge, I've responded calmly and politely, instead of fighting fire with fire. Just as I have here.
Think whatever you will of me. I couldn't care less. But if I'm treating you with respect, I expect it in return. I think you feel the same, as would most adults on this site. Now, instead of continuing to raise the negativity of the thread, I'm trying to ensure that everyone gets a break, if they so choose, before continuing what had started as a decent discussion. If they want to continue to spit and spin, they can do it without me. Yet you seem to have a problem with that. If that's the case, I'd speculate that it's your problem to resolve.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12th, 2008 03:14 am |
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MSF wrote: I'm not sure if your attitude with me is due to your argument with others in this thread or if there is some other reason you're being so snotty and arrogant.
Come back when you're in the mood to be civil and I'll be happy to continue our discussion.
You may see me as "snoty and arrogant" but I am also right.
It is my opinion you have little knowledge of the inner workings of today's schools.
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MSF wrote: I'm not sure if your attitude with me is due to your argument with others in this thread or if there is some other reason you're being so snotty and arrogant.
Come back when you're in the mood to be civil and I'll be happy to continue our discussion.
I just can't help myself
So, are you saying that there is only room for ONE person to be "snotty and arrogant" and you've filled that slot?
Or is it that Flteacher might be right and you have no response?
I'm just wondering
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Posted: Sat Jul 12th, 2008 03:09 am |
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flteacher wrote:
I'm not sure if your attitude with me is due to your argument with others in this thread or if there is some other reason you're being so snotty and arrogant.
Come back when you're in the mood to be civil and I'll be happy to continue our discussion.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12th, 2008 02:56 am |
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MSF wrote: Your statement in red seems to reflect a misunderstanding of the public record concept. I have no misunderstanding of the public record concept.
http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/main/df6796c2c498743985256cc7000ad5cb!OpenDocument
Q. Is an agency required to give out information from public records or produce public records in a particular form as requested by an individual?
A. The Sunshine Law provides for a right of access to inspect and copy existing public records. It does not mandate that the custodian give out information from the records nor does it mandate that an agency create new records to accommodate a request for information.
Yes, the e-mail addresses, and all e-mail sent and received on that address, are public record. There is absolutely no requirement for that address to be posted in public. The requirement for public record is that it is provided, UPON REQUEST, to the requesting party. Nowhere does it state that it is required to be posted in a public forum. The only thing that must be posted in public is that all contact to that record is considered public record. Why would you want to make it difficult for busy parents to have to demand the email address of their child's teacher if this is the means of communication that works for them? Where did I state it was a requirement of the public record law to publish email addresses on the Internet of teachers?
Regarding SPAM, why run the risk? Why stress the servers and bog down bandwidth with huge amounts of worthless junk mail? Why bog down the system with junk mail, that must be maintained for public review under Sunshine? Directing email is their primary function; stopping SPAM and viruses are their secondary. They can handle it!
Your numbers of e-mails to be delivered are possible, but nowhere near probable. The numbers, realistically, would be significantly lower, as many parents continue to use the phone, write, or have no contact with teachers. If a person can not be supplied to perform this as an additional duty, which should be entirely possible for the current IT personnel for the school, create a webpage with required blocks to be filled out before an e-mail could be sent. This way, you can ensure that the teacher, subject, etc., are all present before an e-mail is allowed to be sent to the webmaster. If that's too difficult, allow the parents to sign up for a e-mailing list, and mail them out to all subscribers at the beginning of each semester. The technology exists, and is readily available, so that the person you feel is needed to process these request is not necessary. Sorry. but you obviously have no inside knowledge of the inner workings of a high school environment - there are no true IT personnel, basic support at best. Please get informed before making comments about additional duties for existing personnel who would most likely have little knowledge of how to create a web page capable of capturing data.
If parents can not compose an intelligent enough message to be able to convey their wishes to the school, why are you concerned about what they want? As their child's teacher we cannot ignore them simply because they cannot compose an "intelligent message". Are there no parent-teacher conferences, or open house events, where parents are encouraged to meet the teachers in the school setting? Again, you have no knowledge of how today's parent teacher communication operates. Teachers today deal with parents who have little to no command of the English language. Interpreters are need during parent conferences to translate information to parents. Like it or not immigrants are here and we are tasked with teaching them
As far as maintaining information from teachers, I have files from when I was in College, many, many years ago, from nearly every class I took. I know my parents have school records dating back to grade school for me and my siblings. I would expect that parents could maintain their children's school records for at least one school year. We are in the digital age join us.
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Icare wrote: Bilgerat wrote: Icare wrote: Bilgerat wrote: flteacher wrote: Well I just learned something about this forum. I typed a word other than idiot in my last post but it was replaced. Let me try again with a change.
"check your spelling before posting dumb***"
I've been reading this thread. Seems "interesting"
Flteacher, this function is not unusual. It keeps "trash talk" to a minimum.
Judging from the amount of ***, I think you meant to say dumba$$ 
Or you can spell it dumbazz
Whose side are you on anyway, Bilgerat?
We're picking teams now? 
Might as well, besides every team needs a dumba$$ and a dumbazz, right?
Well, if you "need" it then I vote you for dumba$$ and your "msf" persona for dumbazz
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Bilgerat wrote: Icare wrote: Bilgerat wrote: flteacher wrote: Well I just learned something about this forum. I typed a word other than idiot in my last post but it was replaced. Let me try again with a change.
"check your spelling before posting dumb***"
I've been reading this thread. Seems "interesting"
Flteacher, this function is not unusual. It keeps "trash talk" to a minimum.
Judging from the amount of ***, I think you meant to say dumba$$
Or you can spell it dumbazz
Whose side are you on anyway, Bilgerat?
We're picking teams now?
Might as well, besides every team needs a dumba$$ and a dumbazz, right?
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Icare wrote: Bilgerat wrote: flteacher wrote: Well I just learned something about this forum. I typed a word other than idiot in my last post but it was replaced. Let me try again with a change.
"check your spelling before posting dumb***"
I've been reading this thread. Seems "interesting"
Flteacher, this function is not unusual. It keeps "trash talk" to a minimum.
Judging from the amount of ***, I think you meant to say dumba$$
Or you can spell it dumbazz
Whose side are you on anyway, Bilgerat?
We're picking teams now?
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Posted: Sat Jul 12th, 2008 02:34 am |
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Bilgerat wrote: flteacher wrote: Well I just learned something about this forum. I typed a word other than idiot in my last post but it was replaced. Let me try again with a change.
"check your spelling before posting dumb***"
I've been reading this thread. Seems "interesting"
Flteacher, this function is not unusual. It keeps "trash talk" to a minimum.
Judging from the amount of ***, I think you meant to say dumba$$
Or you can spell it dumbazz
Whose side are you on anyway, Bilgerat?
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Posted: Sat Jul 12th, 2008 02:33 am |
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Firefly1958 wrote: Icare wrote: I only have one login name, if you don't count my short-lived stint as MSF.
Yeah but that wasn't right to do that Icare .
You're right, it wasn't. I apologize to you and to MSF. I'm sorry.
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flteacher wrote: Well I just learned something about this forum. I typed a word other than idiot in my last post but it was replaced. Let me try again with a change.
"check your spelling before posting dumb***"
I've been reading this thread. Seems "interesting"
Flteacher, this function is not unusual. It keeps "trash talk" to a minimum.
Judging from the amount of ***, I think you meant to say dumba$$
Or you can spell it dumbazz
Last edited on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 02:32 am by Bilgerat
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Icare wrote: I only have one login name, if you don't count my short-lived stint as MSF.
Yeah but that wasn't right to do that Icare .
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Icare wrote: Firefly1958 wrote: Icare it was you ,remember...... when you highjacked MSF name Yes, I was accused of also being Voicereason. Noone ever accused me of being thisthat. Yes, I did hijack MSF's name.
Well that certainly detracts from your credibility, but at least your honest (I think). BTW noone is NOT a word.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12th, 2008 02:28 am |
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flteacher wrote: MSF wrote: Just because they are public record does not mean they should be posted in a public domain.
Everybody's privacy is protected. MSF, there is NO privacy when you are talking about any email address or email content when corresponding with a government employee. A school district email address is intended for school related business only NOT personal. It's primary function is for effective communication within the organization. Communicating with parents (customers) falls well within this function.
As far as SPAM is concerned (a valid concern) corporate email servers (Microsoft Exchange) are configurable to automatically identify, flag and stop SPAM coming into their system. Most users in a well run Exchange Server environment see very little unwanted email. Virus protection is also automatic and very strong (or should be).
Your recommendation of one email address to handle all incoming parent emails would require an assigned person - budgets are very strained these days. Approximating 1200 students at the HS multiplied by 7 teachers each the figure comes to 8400 possible correspondences. As a number of emails would come in with very little identifying information a large number of them would require further research to figure which teacher the email was intended for. I could see emails coming in with a message like "This is Jason's mother I want his Math teacher to call me." With neither Jason's last name, nor the telephone number, nor the teachers name provided.
The teachers email address should be readily available for parents to easily locate and use for communication. Depending on a student to supply their parents with the teachers email address typed on a beginning of the year syllabus if NOT how the information is best delivered. I applaud the teachers who are supplying their email addresses this way but it is time for the district to make them always available via the Internet. Do you want to have to find a piece of paper you were given 6 months ago in order to retrieve someones email address?
flteacher
Your statement in red seems to reflect a misunderstanding of the public record concept.
http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/main/df6796c2c498743985256cc7000ad5cb!OpenDocument
Q. Is an agency required to give out information from public records or produce public records in a particular form as requested by an individual?
A. The Sunshine Law provides for a right of access to inspect and copy existing public records. It does not mandate that the custodian give out information from the records nor does it mandate that an agency create new records to accommodate a request for information.
Yes, the e-mail addresses, and all e-mail sent and received on that address, are public record. There is absolutely no requirement for that address to be posted in public. The requirement for public record is that it is provided, UPON REQUEST, to the requesting party. Nowhere does it state that it is required to be posted in a public forum. The only thing that must be posted in public is that all contact to that record is considered public record.
Regarding SPAM, why run the risk? Why stress the servers and bog down bandwidth with huge amounts of worthless junk mail? Why bog down the system with junk mail, that must be maintained for public review under Sunshine?
Your numbers of e-mails to be delivered are possible, but nowhere near probable. The numbers, realistically, would be significantly lower, as many parents continue to use the phone, write, or have no contact with teachers. If a person can not be supplied to perform this as an additional duty, which should be entirely possible for the current IT personnel for the school, create a webpage with required blocks to be filled out before an e-mail could be sent. This way, you can ensure that the teacher, subject, etc., are all present before an e-mail is allowed to be sent to the webmaster. If that's too difficult, allow the parents to sign up for a e-mailing list, and mail them out to all subscribers at the beginning of each semester. The technology exists, and is readily available, so that the person you feel is needed to process these request is not necessary.
If parents can not compose an intelligent enough message to be able to convey their wishes to the school, why are you concerned about what they want? Are there no parent-teacher conferences, or open house events, where parents are encouraged to meet the teachers in the school setting?
As far as maintaining informtion from teachers, I have files from when I was in College, many, many years ago, from nearly every class I took. I know my parents have school records dating back to grade school for me and my siblings. I would expect that parents could maintain their children's school records for at least one school year.
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Well I just learned something about this forum. I typed a word other than idiot in my last post but it was replaced. Let me try again with a change.
"check your spelling before posting dumb***"
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Icare wrote: Firefly1958 wrote: Icare wrote: flteacher wrote: ThisThat wrote: flteacher wrote: FLA GIRL, thank you.
Ignore the rants of idiots . This wouldn't be a personal attach, would it?
No a personal attack would be "check your spelling before posting idiot". Another example would be, "use a comma after the word "posting" to ensure correct punctuation, Idiot.
Didn't someone accuse you and Icare of being the same person with 2 usernames? No, that was Voicereason.
Icare it was you ,remember...... when you highjacked MSF name Yes, I was accused of also being Voicereason. Noone ever accused me of being thisthat. Yes, I did hijack MSF's name.
No not thisthat
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Firefly1958 wrote: Icare wrote: flteacher wrote: ThisThat wrote: flteacher wrote: FLA GIRL, thank you.
Ignore the rants of idiots . This wouldn't be a personal attach, would it?
No a personal attack would be "check your spelling before posting idiot". Another example would be, "use a comma after the word "posting" to ensure correct punctuation, Idiot.
Didn't someone accuse you and Icare of being the same person with 2 usernames? No, that was Voicereason.
Icare it was you ,remember...... when you highjacked MSF name Yes, I was accused of also being Voicereason. Noone ever accused me of being thisthat. Yes, I did hijack MSF's name.
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Icare wrote: flteacher wrote: ThisThat wrote: flteacher wrote: FLA GIRL, thank you.
Ignore the rants of idiots . This wouldn't be a personal attach, would it?
No a personal attack would be "check your spelling before posting idiot". Another example would be, "use a comma after the word "posting" to ensure correct punctuation, Idiot.
Didn't someone accuse you and Icare of being the same person with 2 usernames? No, that was Voicereason.
Icare it was you ,remember...... when you highjacked MSF name
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flteacher wrote: ThisThat wrote: flteacher wrote: FLA GIRL, thank you.
Ignore the rants of idiots . This wouldn't be a personal attach, would it?
No a personal attack would be "check your spelling before posting idiot". Another example would be, "use a comma after the word "posting" to ensure correct punctuation, Idiot.
Didn't someone accuse you and Icare of being the same person with 2 usernames? No, that was Voicereason.
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ThisThat wrote: flteacher wrote: FLA GIRL, thank you.
Ignore the rants of idiots . This wouldn't be a personal attach, would it?
No a personal attack would be "check your spelling before posting idiot".
Didn't someone accuse you and Icare of being the same person with 2 usernames?
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Posted: Sat Jul 12th, 2008 02:02 am |
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flteacher wrote: FLA GIRL, thank you.
Ignore the rants of idiots . This wouldn't be a personal attach, would it? When someone begins personally attacking the messenger it is the message they cannot intelligently argue. Personally, I would not bother responding to the post.
Even if you are the most whiny, complaining, pain in the *** parent it is still the duty of the teacher to communicate with you. A 504 plan gives you a lot of power over the school. Alone a 504 does not require teachers to communicate with you about your child's progress on a fixed schedule. It's intent is to legally document special accommodations for the student. You as the parent have the right to request part of the 504 plan requires weekly updates of your child's progress. If it not written down on his existing 504 request a meeting and have it modified. Call the school's ESE contact. Teachers have lost their teaching credentials for ignoring 504 accommodations and IEP's (Individuals Education Plans).
Parents have NO idea how much power they have over schools and teachers. GET INFORMED!
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flteacher wrote: FLA GIRL, thank you.
Ignore the rants of idiots. When someone begins personally attacking the messenger it is the message they cannot intelligently argue. Personally, I would not bother responding to the post.
Very self-righteous and hypocritical of you flteacher. I thought the identity of the "ranting idiot" was rather obvious.
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FLA GIRL, thank you.
Ignore the rants of idiots. When someone begins personally attacking the messenger it is the message they cannot intelligently argue. Personally, I would not bother responding to the post.
Even if you are the most whiny, complaining, pain in the *** parent it is still the duty of the teacher to communicate with you. A 504 plan gives you a lot of power over the school. Alone a 504 does not require teachers to communicate with you about your child's progress on a fixed schedule. It's intent is to legally document special accommodations for the student. You as the parent have the right to request part of the 504 plan requires weekly updates of your child's progress. If it not written down on his existing 504 request a meeting and have it modified. Call the school's ESE contact. Teachers have lost their teaching credentials for ignoring 504 accommodations and IEP's (Individuals Education Plans).
Parents have NO idea how much power they have over schools and teachers. GET INFORMED!
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MSF wrote: Just because they are public record does not mean they should be posted in a public domain.
With all the simple spider programs available which can search and capture e-mail addresses for bulk SPAM mail purposes, I wouldn't want mine listed in an open forum. Nor would I want a teacher's school (work) account being assaulted with SPAM and viruses more than it needed to be.
That being said, there would be little to no harm in having the school establish a info@ohs.edu type of e-mail, which a webmaster could direct to the teacher requested. That way, parents and students would still have a digital method of establishing contact, and the teacher could respond directly to them. Everybody's privacy is protected.
Everybody's privacy is protected. MSF, there is NO privacy when you are talking about any email address or email content when corresponding with a government employee. A school district email address is intended for school related business only NOT personal. It's primary function is for effective communication within the organization. Communicating with parents (customers) falls well within this function.
As far as SPAM is concerned (a valid concern) corporate email servers (Microsoft Exchange) are configurable to automatically identify, flag and stop SPAM coming into their system. Most users in a well run Exchange Server environment see very little unwanted email. Virus protection is also automatic and very strong (or should be).
Your recommendation of one email address to handle all incoming parent emails would require an assigned person - budgets are very strained these days. Approximating 1200 students at the HS multiplied by 7 teachers each the figure comes to 8400 possible correspondences. As a number of emails would come in with very little identifying information a large number of them would require further research to figure which teacher the email was intended for. I could see emails coming in with a message like "This is Jason's mother I want his Math teacher to call me." With neither Jason's last name, nor the telephone number, nor the teachers name provided.
The teachers email address should be readily available for parents to easily locate and use for communication. Depending on a student to supply their parents with the teachers email address typed on a beginning of the year syllabus if NOT how the information is best delivered. I applaud the teachers who are supplying their email addresses this way but it is time for the district to make them always available via the Internet. Do you want to have to find a piece of paper you were given 6 months ago in order to retrieve someones email address?
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FLA GIRL wrote: Icare wrote: FLA GIRL wrote: As for parenting I take pride in it, BUt when you ask the teachers for weekly reports most teachers post their grades weekly. Instead of asking the teacher to make special arrangments for your child, why don't YOU make YOUR child resposible for writing down his grade and his own weekly progress. If he doesn't do it, then make him by holding him accountable. If you can't do it, then how do you expect the teacher to when they have fewer recourses then your do. Teachers can't spank your child's butt, but you can. Parent him, Mom.and out of 7 teachers you get one, Ok what are the teachers problems, Its there responsibility with kids that have issues to do as they are asked by the counselor, So again I am raising my own child, He is 18 and I have tried all the below and more ,
I was raised in these school systems and I know how they are, I have seen teachers that should have never been teachers,or even that close to kids for they act like kids themselves.. So you explain why the high school received a D as a grade, do I have to say anymore,
Razor I finally went to the school as you, but again nothing happened, My issues was weekly progress reports asked for by the school board for a 501 student, It's a 504 plan, which proves you're not that involved if you don't even know what type of plan your child is on. this shows how much the teachers care about the kids, not saying all are like this, I gave my email address, cell number,home number and 2 alternate numbers they could contact, but when I came to a behavioral issue they found the time to call me,
You can stick up for the teachers all you want, but the grade proves what is happening, The grade is indicitive of how YOUR child performed on the FCAT.
Excuse me, ICARE guess I am not perfect as you try to be, it was a type-o on my part, and how dare you tell me i am not involved in what my children do or dont do, I can tell you where my children are 24-7 can you, we dont drink, or fight, our children have a loving caring home, unlike most in this county,
As for the teachers, I think we pay enough in school taxes that the teachers can afford to pay asitter for their children and not baby sit them on our dime I have seen this numerous times at the middle school, as for my children they are both honor roll students because I put forth the effort, and as for my son being on a 504 he is still part of the ESE program in which means that the teachers ARE required to update the parents on the childs progress, so unless you know me ,d ont judge me with my parenting, I have children that teachers wish they could dupicate, well mannered, quite, respectful , I could name several teachers that should not be teaching in the school system just because of their attitudes and the way they dress coming to school, grown ladies dont wear mini`s where there are young impressionable men,
This school system sucks Yes, this school system did fail you as evidenced by your command of the English language, or lack thereof. compared to alot in florida, we are very behind times with alot, for a school to get rated a D that tells me the teachers are not working hard enough to make the students comprehend what they are trying to teach, and yes I will say that some kids do carry bagage from home to school, which is a shame , if the school was paying attention they can do something about that, Again with the school being responsible for the baggage the children carry...why don't they just take them off your hands and raise them for you? child abuse and neglect should be reported to the proper people, instead of turning the other cheek an pretending not to see it,
I have given all of my childrens teachers, my email,fax, & all numbers to contact myself or my husband, again 1 out of 7 teachers made use of my email These teachers are trying to raise their own children. Why would any of them want to communicate with a you...a whiny, ungrateful, non-parenting, has trouble with their kid, always in their face lady???? Get a life lady and do your job...teach your child...better yet, why don't you homeschool. Of course, you'd probably teach him everything you knew in two weeks and then try to enroll him again. , yes you are correct it does make life easy , inwhich at the high school all is on computer anyway so how hard is it to print and fax or send an email once a week saying , good, bad or in different, FL teacher has a point look how many teachers and how many websites there are its a shame flteacher you can tell gets involved with her students and thats the kind of teachers this county needs, not ones that are in a popularity contest, real old fashioned teachers
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Icare wrote: FLA GIRL wrote: As for parenting I take pride in it, BUt when you ask the teachers for weekly reports most teachers post their grades weekly. Instead of asking the teacher to make special arrangments for your child, why don't YOU make YOUR child resposible for writing down his grade and his own weekly progress. If he doesn't do it, then make him by holding him accountable. If you can't do it, then how do you expect the teacher to when they have fewer recourses then your do. Teachers can't spank your child's butt, but you can. Parent him, Mom.and out of 7 teachers you get one, Ok what are the teachers problems, Its there responsibility with kids that have issues to do as they are asked by the counselor, So again I am raising my own child, He is 18 and I have tried all the below and more ,
I was raised in these school systems and I know how they are, I have seen teachers that should have never been teachers,or even that close to kids for they act like kids themselves.. So you explain why the high school received a D as a grade, do I have to say anymore,
Razor I finally went to the school as you, but again nothing happened, My issues was weekly progress reports asked for by the school board for a 501 student, It's a 504 plan, which proves you're not that involved if you don't even know what type of plan your child is on. this shows how much the teachers care about the kids, not saying all are like this, I gave my email address, cell number,home number and 2 alternate numbers they could contact, but when I came to a behavioral issue they found the time to call me,
You can stick up for the teachers all you want, but the grade proves what is happening, The grade is indicitive of how YOUR child performed on the FCAT.
Excuse me, ICARE guess I am not perfect as you try to be, it was a type-o on my part, and how dare you tell me i am not involved in what my children do or dont do, I can tell you where my children are 24-7 can you, we dont drink, or fight, our children have a loving caring home, unlike most in this county,
As for the teachers, I think we pay enough in school taxes that the teachers can afford to pay asitter for their children and not baby sit them on our dime I have seen this numerous times at the middle school, as for my children they are both honor roll students because I put forth the effort, and as for my son being on a 504 he is still part of the ESE program in which means that the teachers ARE required to update the parents on the childs progress, so unless you know me ,d ont judge me with my parenting, I have children that teachers wish they could dupicate, well mannered, quite, respectful , I could name several teachers that should not be teaching in the school system just because of their attitudes and the way they dress coming to school, grown ladies dont wear mini`s where there are young impressionable men,
This school system sucks compared to alot in florida, we are very behind times with alot, for a school to get rated a D that tells me the teachers are not working hard enough to make the students comprehend what they are trying to teach, and yes I will say that some kids do carry bagage from home to school, which is a shame , if the school was paying attention they can do something about that, child abuse and neglect should be reported to the proper people, instead of turning the other cheek an pretending not to see it,
I have given all of my childrens teachers, my email,fax, & all numbers to contact myself or my husband, again 1 out of 7 teachers made use of my email, yes you are correct it does make life easy , inwhich at the high school all is on computer anyway so how hard is it to print and fax or send an email once a week saying , good, bad or in different, FL teacher has a point look how many teachers and how many websites there are its a shame flteacher you can tell gets involved with her students and thats the kind of teachers this county needs, not ones that are in a popularity contest, real old fashioned teachers
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Just because they are public record does not mean they should be posted in a public domain.
With all the simple spider programs available which can search and capture e-mail addresses for bulk SPAM mail purposes, I wouldn't want mine listed in an open forum. Nor would I want a teacher's school (work) account being assaulted with SPAM and viruses more than it needed to be.
That being said, there would be little to no harm in having the school establish a info@ohs.edu type of e-mail, which a webmaster could direct to the teacher requested. That way, parents and students would still have a digital method of establishing contact, and the teacher could respond directly to them. Everybody's privacy is protected.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 08:57 pm |
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chobee buckeye wrote: (edited)Even though the school website only lists one or two teachers' emails, I know of many others who provide their emails on their course syllabi. I, for one, provide my email, phone numbers, and web address to all of my students and their parents. It has been a great way to keep in touch with parents, even though I may have never met them face to face.
chobee buckeye if you have a class website why would you not have it linked on the faculty webpage for the high school? This would be a great way for you to demonstrate the above and beyond effort you put in for your students. Parents of future students could see which teachers are putting forth the extra effort to use new technology for instructional purposes as well as parental communication. I know many teachers will fight change content with doing things the same old way regardless of the benefit to their students - this is where the principal and/or superintendent must step in.
Why aren't all teacher email addresses posted on each schools website as they are public record?
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chobee buckeye wrote: There is a plan in the works for this technology where parents can check their student's attendance and grades. I honestly don't know what the delay is - maybe someone on here does. There was a grade program that a few of us piloted called "Genesis" but it didn't work out for some reason. I think there was a coflict between that program and the program the county uses.
Even though the school website only lists one or two teachers' emails, I know of many others who provide their emails on their course syllabi. I, for one, provide my email, phone numbers, and web address to all of my students and their parents. It has been a great way to keep in touch with parents, even though I may have never met them face to face.
I know highlands county uses genesis and it is wonderful. They can stay in touch with their child's progress without being a pain in the teachers' butts. I, too, provide multiple ways to communicate ... email, web adress, cell phone, two-way .. so that my parents can contact me. I also try to provide a study avenue that is different than the old boring book studying. It is offered online and the students can study at home on the computer. The students and the parents love it. However, it is available only to those that have internet access.
It all boils down to ... I try to be available to my students and their families the way that I hope and wish that my children's teacher would.
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There is a plan in the works for this technology where parents can check their student's attendance and grades. I honestly don't know what the delay is - maybe someone on here does. There was a grade program that a few of us piloted called "Genesis" but it didn't work out for some reason. I think there was a coflict between that program and the program the county uses.
Even though the school website only lists one or two teachers' emails, I know of many others who provide their emails on their course syllabi. I, for one, provide my email, phone numbers, and web address to all of my students and their parents. It has been a great way to keep in touch with parents, even though I may have never met them face to face.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 02:41 pm |
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okeegator wrote:
I was in a conversation with some parents in Jupiter. They were talking about the ability to track their kids grades in every class. They were surprised that we did not have the same system here. So am I. It sounds like a great idea. Maybe that's an issue for members of the school board, especially those who are up for re-election, to consider.
It also puts the responsibility back onto the student to check what work they are missing instead of depending on the teacher to tell them.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11th, 2008 02:18 pm |
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flteacher wrote: To check the certifications held by your child's teacher log on to the Florida Department of Education. You must know their last name and first initial. http://www.fldoe.org/edcert/public.asp
If a teacher is teaching outside of their areas of certification all parents should receive a letter from the school informing them their child's teacher is not certified to teach that subject. A teacher should only be allowed to teach that subject for one year - giving them plenty of time to pass the subject area exam.
A dirty little secret going on in my schools is when substitutes are put in long term teaching positions and are not certified in any area(s). Principals justify this by claiming they cannot find qualified teachers for that content area. Personally, I would rather have a qualified teacher out of area than a substitute who may not even have a college degree teaching my child.
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Because of budget cuts the surrounding counties (not Okeechobee) have had to fire teachers. Their positions will either be eliminated completely or filled by these "permanent substitutes."
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