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Posted: Fri Aug 1st, 2008 08:06 pm |
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P.VanTassell wrote: Patriot wrote: Many fellow citizens are just now starting to understand the very nature of my original post. LET'S TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES FIRST, AND THEN DEAL WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD!!!!!! You can hear it in every discussion across the nation. It has to do with taking care of the HERE and NOW! Taking care of AMERICAN CITIZENS , NOT people who just live here because it benefits them or people half-way-around-the-globe who will never experience life as we live it here in America. We should be committed to taking care of our fellow man, and that starts with the man closest to you!!! HELP THOSE THAT ARE NEXT TO YOU and SUFFERING just like YOU!!! Mankind will fall or rise depending it's capacity to forgive and forget. We are not the only ones to reach such a level, so we should be better than the past.
That mindset has no place in international politics.
The powers that be want to continue to be the powers that be. And to do this they must help not only their own but the rest of the world also.
As long as you keep the people in your own country just happy enough to not revolt then you can go and "help" other countries to boost your image.
I don't write the rules.
Yep to both of you.
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Posted: Fri Aug 1st, 2008 02:29 pm |
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Patriot wrote: Many fellow citizens are just now starting to understand the very nature of my original post. LET'S TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES FIRST, AND THEN DEAL WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD!!!!!! You can hear it in every discussion across the nation. It has to do with taking care of the HERE and NOW! Taking care of AMERICAN CITIZENS , NOT people who just live here because it benefits them or people half-way-around-the-globe who will never experience life as we live it here in America. We should be committed to taking care of our fellow man, and that starts with the man closest to you!!! HELP THOSE THAT ARE NEXT TO YOU and SUFFERING just like YOU!!! Mankind will fall or rise depending it's capacity to forgive and forget. We are not the only ones to reach such a level, so we should be better than the past.
That mindset has no place in international politics.
The powers that be want to continue to be the powers that be. And to do this they must help not only their own but the rest of the world also.
As long as you keep the people in your own country just happy enough to not revolt then you can go and "help" other countries to boost your image.
I don't write the rules.
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Posted: Fri Aug 1st, 2008 12:41 am |
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| Many fellow citizens are just now starting to understand the very nature of my original post. LET'S TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES FIRST, AND THEN DEAL WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD!!!!!! You can hear it in every discussion across the nation. It has to do with taking care of the HERE and NOW! Taking care of AMERICAN CITIZENS , NOT people who just live here because it benefits them or people half-way-around-the-globe who will never experience life as we live it here in America. We should be committed to taking care of our fellow man, and that starts with the man closest to you!!! HELP THOSE THAT ARE NEXT TO YOU and SUFFERING just like YOU!!! Mankind will fall or rise depending it's capacity to forgive and forget. We are not the only ones to reach such a level, so we should be better than the past.
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 05:36 pm |
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In general yes, in the long term, I say no.
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 01:43 am |
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| No. There are many extremely useful benefits. The original point was saying the money could be spent more wisely to benefit mankind in general.
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 01:36 am |
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Lets get this back on track because I've lost the linear track of postings here.
Space Exploration nay-sayers this is for you:
Do you really see no benefits in space for us?
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Animated replies vs. illustrated responses. I humbly request more rejection responses as they are quite funny . I'm currently ,learning basic computer skills, so I hope to get bette in the future.
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 05:10 am |
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 I think I smell a rat... PROJECT (if possible)
Projected cost of space program
V.S.
Benefit earned for mankind
V.S.
Taxpayers expenditures
V.S.
Patrioitic lives lost forever
dollar for dollar amount
do you think it is worth it or not
oh! don't forget the LIVES lost forever
for what? for a few small advances here on Earth that help us out a litle bit now only to fall further behind the technology war with our rivals that have already had these discussions about our wastefulness and capitalized on our lack of motivation and siezed the market right out from underneath us. We might venture into space too far too late! We'll see.
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Patriot wrote: The most animated replies yet! I hope to see more of your computer suave' skills. I can't wait for your next animated response to my computer illiterate skills.
It was more like an illustrative response to your questions.
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 04:43 am |
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| The most animated replies yet! I hope to see more of your computer suave' skills. I can't wait for your next animated response to my computer illiterate skills.
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 04:37 am |
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Patriot wrote: Space the
final frontier
explore nomore...E.T/phone home.../E.T. phone home
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I guess you gave up on your argument then? That was easy
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 04:25 am |
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Space the
final frontier
explore nomore...E.T/phone home.../E.T. phone home
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 05:40 pm |
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T-BONE wrote: Themotgus wrote: Keep on trucking, or blasting?
The Mot Gus thinks it's fascinating.
The Mot Gus©™ is the third person!
THIRD PERSON, THAT'S AN ODD NUMBER, IT FITS THEMOTGUS.
THEMOTGUS: VULCAN WORD MEANING MENTAL DEFICIENCY.
Odd? The vowels were even..
The Mot Gus states: T'Ish hokni'es kwi'shoret, meaning; "I sense the consciousness calling to you from space..."
The Mot Gus©™ is the third person!
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 05:20 pm |
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All this fuss o'er lil' ol' me? Why I can't imagine! Ha! Ha! Ha! I love it. Seriously, I must apologize for my initial sophomoric post and subsequent obnoxious replies. Honestly. I was just trying to have fun and hope I didn't offend anyone, as I was not offended by any of your replies. From now I'll try to post with education and reply humbly . 
Quote: " If I didn't love you, I wouldn't pick on ya so hard!
P.S. my panties can't wad up cuz I wear thongs!
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 10:05 am |
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Themotgus wrote: Keep on trucking, or blasting?
The Mot Gus thinks it's fascinating.
The Mot Gus©™ is the third person!
THIRD PERSON, THAT'S AN ODD NUMBER, IT FITS THEMOTGUS.
THEMOTGUS: VULCAN WORD MEANING MENTAL DEFICIENCY.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 05:09 am |
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| Hey Patriot, maybe if we would have spent more on inner space they would have found a way to remove colon polyps this way! Attachment: 09_w500.jpg (Downloaded 95 times)
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 05:02 am |
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Gentlemen, we are here to perform a very difficult procedure that would have been impossible without gobs of government money. We will now proceed with Mr. Patriot's "ego-ectomy." Nurse, insert the tiny innerspace ship into his noggin' (notice my use of proper medical terminology).
Attachment: 02_w500.jpg (Downloaded 94 times) Last edited on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 05:18 am by okeegator
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| American taxpayer dollars at work - and Raquel Welch to boot. Yowza! Attachment: 07_w500.jpg (Downloaded 95 times) Last edited on Tue Jul 15th, 2008 05:02 am by okeegator
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 04:53 am |
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Patriot wrote: Disputing the productive advances that space exoploration has generated for mankind is futile, however I do pose the question: "What advances for mankind would the exploration of inner space have generated IF we had spent millions of taxpayers dollars on it instead of space exploration?" Besides pointing out Bilgerat's excellent post to answer that question I must remind you that it is a moot point. We can hardly guess what kinds of advances may have been made, but let us discuss the two explorations. The space program was an extension of the Cold War and an effort to not let the Russians get ahead. In that effort our scientists and engineers generated many innovations, including those posted by Bilgerat. Competition can produce great things (which is one reason why communism fails). It was a government funded and government run program in the name of national security. Inner exploration has hardly gone unnoticed. A great many advances have been made in medicine in those same years as the space program. The National Institute of Health and many private organizations (including Howard Hughes') have contributed the funding to for these initiatives. The government already spends millions of taxpayer dollars. Haven't you ever see Fantastic Voyage with Raquel Welch? Sheesh!
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 04:36 am |
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Patriot wrote: Finally an adversary worth my while! Don't ever assume I'm high because you know nothing about me to begin with. Intolerance facilitates contempt when discussing personal issues, however I'm not affiliated with anything close to the existing space program. I sense you have a pinprick for differing opinions. I am trying to get back to the subject of space travel and exploration. If you have a habit of referencing my previous statements "word for word", or using "Blah,Blah,Blah" rebuttals, then our duels will be short lived. I want to talk progressively and honestly, with a touch of brilliance, to flavor the conversation. Don't be prejudicial. Haven't you been to college?
Oh God, I think we have a finalist for "Most Obnoxious Post". TheMotGus is right up there with his.
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 04:26 am |
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| Finally an adversary worth my while! Don't ever assume I'm high because you know nothing about me to begin with. Intolerance facilitates contempt when discussing personal issues, however I'm not affiliated with anything close to the existing space program. I sense you have a pinprick for differing opinions. I am trying to get back to the subject of space travel and exploration. If you have a habit of referencing my previous statements "word for word", or using "Blah,Blah,Blah" rebuttals, then our duels will be short lived. I want to talk progressively and honestly, with a touch of brilliance, to flavor the conversation. Don't be prejudicial. Haven't you been to college?
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 02:23 am |
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Well, since your panties got in a wad, let's look again at what your original post was.
Patriot wrote:
Let's start a new discussion an an old subject.With complete respect to individuals that have participated in space programs, I fail to see the real usefulness of such expenditures of taxpayers money. I'd say I answered that one, didn't I Let's get real here. Humans are creatures of gravity. We cannot exist for extended periods of time in space. Our bones deteriorate, bodily functions decrease, atrophy of muscle tissue, etc. , yet we continue to spend millions of dollars to research a "lost cause". And yet we advanced our knowledge in so many areas We should be exploring the ocean and how to build extensive sub-surface structures instead of space exploration. The cost would be substantially less and we just might have a little bit more left over to tackle some of the real issues facing our planet. And I agreed that we should indeed do that I believe this can be compared to the war in Iraq. We have lost focus on what really matters here right in front of us, and have our heads buried in the sand, or stars. Here's where you went "sophomoric" Existence in space and space travel are not possible due to our physical limitations as humans. Why? Seems to me we're on a good start. Just like thinking we can achieve peace in Iraq, we, as a country, are being duped into thinking we can make space habitation a possibility. Back to "Blah blah blah" We need to stop the waste and start focusing on what we can control. Why are we "limited?
So you come back with a lot of whining and crying and "hate Bush"
You got feedback, I can't help it if it bites you in the butt, when you lead with your chin expect to get hit.
Inner space DOES need to be explored, but if we hadn't expanded our knowledge of "outer space" how many lives would have been lost from hurricanes that we didn't see coming?
"Documenting the past doesn't justify it?" Are you high? Documentation is one of the foundations of justifications.
"Media propaganda I've been spoon fed" Everything I posted isn't propaganda, it's FACT.
You need a check up from the neck up!
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Posted: Tue Jul 15th, 2008 02:04 am |
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| Well, nautical sewer vermin, I must have struck a nerve to be insulted on my first time out! You must be a pro-Bush jingoist. Now we're even. Either way, I didn't start this discussion to digress to insipid insults, I wanted to hear feedback from individuals who feel we can and should focus our resources in a better direction. Disputing the productive advances that space exoploration has generated for mankind is futile, however I do pose the question: "What advances for mankind would the exploration of inner space have generated IF we had spent millions of taxpayers dollars on it instead of space exploration?" Documenting the past doesn't justify it. Look past the media propaganda you have been spoon-fed and open your mind to possibilities that could exist today , had we chosen a different path. That was the point of my discussion to begin with.
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4string wrote: With centrifugal force we can simulate gravity. Bildgerat is right we have gained many benefits from space. as far as us one day having to leave Earth and who goes. If it come down to who and what OkeeNarnie says is true I'm out one any of the qualifications, so I say let try and fix things here on Earth, and I believe space exploration is a tool that is helping us with that.
Here is a link to read about Apophis - a 1,000-foot wide chunk of space debris - a 1-in-15,000 chance of a 2036 strike.
http://www.space.com/news/051103_asteroid_apophis.html
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Posted: Mon Jul 14th, 2008 02:31 pm |
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| With centrifugal force we can simulate gravity. Bildgerat is right we have gained many benefits from space. as far as us one day having to leave Earth and who goes. If it come down to who and what OkeeNarnie says is true I'm out one any of the qualifications, so I say let try and fix things here on Earth, and I believe space exploration is a tool that is helping us with that.
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| Somebody gets an A+ for research before posting. Good Job too.
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Bilgerat
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Posted: Mon Jul 14th, 2008 01:18 pm |
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Well besides Tang, Teflon and Velcro, the space program has boosted advances in:
Instant television
Since Telstar, the first television satellite in 1962, viewers have watched events almost as they unfolded - from the assassination of President Kennedy to the terrorist assault on the twin towers in New York.
Meteorology
Weather forecasting was once little more accurate than folklore. Now satellites can monitor drought in Africa, floods in the Bay of Bengal and hurricanes across the Caribbean, saving hundreds of thousands of lives.
Navigation
Lone yachtsmen and jumbo jets now make pinpoint landfalls, and polar explorers with mobile phones can guide rescue craft to the precise ice floe, thanks to global positioning satellites.
Fuel cells
Invented by a Victorian barrister, the Grove fuel cell was ignored until the Apollo program. Now German cars and Chicago buses are testing the ultimate green fuel - hydrogen, with water as the exhaust.
The environment
Space platforms monitor pollution, measure forest destruction, survey agriculture, identify mineral deposits, spot buried archaeological structures and even uncover agricultural fraud.
Medical health
Spacesuit studies have led to a panoply of health monitors, warning systems, respirators, remote microphones and other miniaturised medical technology.
Robotics
Space engineers have to think small - and flexible. This has inspired a new generation of tiny sensors, monitors and automaton explorers heading for distant planets.
Materials
Apologists always mention non-stick frying pans. But the most dramatic could be aerogel: featherlight but supporting 4,000 times its own weight. NASA christened it "frozen smoke".
Laptops
Space missions needed on board computers. But they had to be small. So space research drove the industry to pack ever more power into ever ever smaller hardware.
And let's not forget the Hubble
As to "Inner Space" I too agree that we should indeed invest into this.
As to linking the Space Program to anything related to Iraq, that analogy is purely sophomoric.
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Posted: Mon Jul 14th, 2008 12:55 pm |
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I have said this for years. The Space program is the BIGGEST WASTE of taxpayers money in the history of civilization!
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Posted: Mon Jul 14th, 2008 12:24 pm |
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Keep on trucking, or blasting?
The Mot Gus thinks it's fascinating.
The Mot Gus©™ is the third person!
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I think... Originally it was just to see what was out there. Liken it to discovering the world was not flat but actually round. I know I remember there being a television brought into the school and all the kids in the school were brought into one class room to sit and watch as man was hurled into space.
Over time when the men and women of the Science field saw that man was working at expending the natural resources they began in earnest to see if it was possible there were other places which would support life.
This country has been building the space station and upgrading it constantly. It's huge. It is able to provide a safe haven for existence if necessary. Of course who would be chosen if that were the scenario? The smartest, the richest, the prettiest?
Maybe if that asteroid that is heading for earth with a possible collision or near miss expected in 2036 is a direct hit we will be able to vote on who gets to survive.
(Based on available data, astronomers give Apophis - a 1,000-foot wide chunk of space debris - a 1-in-15,000 chance of a 2036 strike. Yet if the asteroid hits, they add, damage to infrastructure alone could exceed $400 billion. When the possibility of the asteroid passing through two other keyholes is taken into account, the combined chance of the asteroid hitting the planet shifts to 1 in 10,000, notes Clark Chapman, a senior scientist with the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colo.
"A frequent flier probably would not want to board an airliner if there's a 1-in-10,000 chance it's going to crash," he says.)
Thats 28 years from now. Guess I better start making my Bucket List.
1. Win the lottery so I can afford the rest of my list.
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| Let's start a new discussion an an old subject.With complete respect to individuals that have participated in space programs, I fail to see the real usefulness of such expenditures of taxpayers money. Let's get real here. Humans are creatures of gravity. We cannot exist for extended periods of time in space. Our bones deteriorate, bodily functions decrease, atrophy of muscle tissue, etc. , yet we continue to spend millions of dollars to research a "lost cause". We should be exploring the ocean and how to build extensive sub-surface structures instead of space exploration. The cost would be substantially less and we just might have a little bit more left over to tackle some of the real issues facing our planet. I believe this can be compared to the war in Iraq. We have lost focus on what really matters here right in front of us, and have our heads buried in the sand, or stars. Existence in space and space travel are not possible due to our physical limitations as humans. Just like thinking we can achieve peace in Iraq, we, as a country, are being duped into thinking we can make space habitation a possibility. We need to stop the waste and start focusing on what we can control. Last edited on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 05:34 am by Patriot
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