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I did 6 years active, and another 6 reserve. Got out because I just beat the crap out of my body jumping out of helos so bad that I was about to loose flight status, and if I couldn't fly I didn't want to be there. That and I just wanted to make a go of it in the real world. Did most of my reserve duty in Orlando teaching rocks how to swim, and some deep water survival training.
There were things I liked about being in Love all the places I've been. Didn't care for the accommodations on the voyage over.
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4string wrote: Yes I have contacted my Congressmen and Representatives.
As I was in the military I do know the difference between a career serviceman and a Lifer. If you are proud to be called a lifer then that you must have been. Lifer usually refers to those that follow blindly, and could not function outside the military, with out it telling them how, and what to do, or think.
Yet another "swipe", I must reall be getting to you 
I'm guessing that you weren't real "happy" when you were active, were you?
I say that because all of the people calling out "lifer" were usually the ones that just weren't going to do much else then the time required.
Of course, I may be wrong, but I'd bet not
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Yes I have contacted my Congressmen and Representatives.
As I was in the military I do know the difference between a career serviceman and a Lifer. If you are proud to be called a lifer then that you must have been. Lifer usually refers to those that follow blindly, and could not function outside the military, with out it telling them how, and what to do, or think.
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4string wrote: Oh I do hate Bush there is no debating that as do 2/3 of Americans. You have to be a hard core blinded by the party republican not to hate the moron. The problem is, becoming hard core blinded by hate is also bad. Don't get me wrong I'm no democrat either, I don't think any one should follow any party blindly as some do. Nor do I blindly follow any party. I will continue to vote for any person who is right for the job. As a military lifer Thank you, I'll take that as a compliment doing what you are told with out question That would be incorrect, ALL Servicemen are told in Recruit training that they have an exception to this in that they are not to comply with an "Unlawful" Order by what ever politician is in the white house at the time. No matter if they are wrong, or not. My orders always came down through the "Chain of Command". Each order that may (or may not) have originated at the Desk of the President (and by the way, I served through 6 Administrations) were then interpreted by the Officers that they filtered through. I feel it is more American to question every thing they do, it is actually our responsibility to keep them in check. It indeed the business of every citizen to contact their US Congressmen and US Senator's. We are a democracy not an empire, our leaders can, and have been wrong. It is up to We the People to correct or prevent these wrongs. The Iraq war is one of these wrongs." WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN THERE! WE WERE LIED TO IN ORDER FOR IT TO HAPPEN. Just like Vietnam. Did you contact your Congressman? Your Senator? Are you continuing your contact? Remember THEY voted to authorize this effort. True we have a responsibility to make Iraq able to defend its self since we destroyed their capability to do so for them selfs, but at the same time we should set a time table for them to step up and take that responsibility for them selfs. Its the old " Give a man a fish, teach a man to fish" Ahh, a change in placement and belief. But it should not take 100 years like McCain says it will. 100 years sounds to me like he has no plan at all to get our troops out. That is a defeatist attitude. Let's go with the whole quote, shall we?
The charge that John McCain wants to wage a "100-year war" in Iraq has become a recurring theme of the Obama campaign. The candidate has made the claim several times on the campaign trail, as has Susan Rice, one of his top foreign policy advisers. McCain has never talked about wanting a 100-year war in Iraq. But he has talked about a prolonged U.S. military presence in Iraq, similar to the stationing of U.S. troops in Germany after World War II or in Korea after the Korean war.
The Facts
Take a look at what McCain actually said in Derry, N.H., back in January. Cutting off a questioner who talked about the Bush administration's willingness to keep troops in Iraq for 50 years, McCain said "Make it a hundred." He then mentioned that U.S. troops had been in Germany for 60 years and in Korea for 50 years, and added, "That's fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed."
That's a large difference from your "talking point" isn't it?
Additionally, Sen. McCain has been quoted as insisting the United States "will win the war in Iraq and win it fairly soon," allowing U.S. troops to withdraw.
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| Thank you OG I have read or seen on the news some of the same as in the articles you posted. So Obama's plan for troops out in 18 months should not be too unrealistic. I realize we will need advisers, and some air power over there for quite some time, since Iraq now has no air force. Maybe one day we can sell them some planes, and bring some of their pilots here for training. We will even make them sign a waiver that they wont use their training to fly into any of our buildings, just to keep the " Hate all Muslims " people happy. They should be able to afford it since all their oil is totally theirs, and the prices have gone so high since the war started.
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4string wrote: Oh I do hate Bush there is no debating that as do 2/3 of Americans. You have to be a hard core blinded by the party republican not to hate the moron. Don't get me wrong I'm no democrat either, I don't think any one should follow any party blindly as some do. As a military lifer you are use to being told what to do, and doing what you are told with out question by what ever politician is in the white house at the time. No matter if they are wrong, or not. I feel it is more American to question every thing they do, it is actually our responsibility to keep them in check. We are a democracy not an empire, our leaders can, and have been wrong. It is up to We the People to correct or prevent these wrongs. The Iraq war is one of these wrongs." WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN THERE! WE WERE LIED TO IN ORDER FOR IT TO HAPPEN. Just like Vietnam. Agreed.
True we have a responsibility to make Iraq able to defend its self since we destroyed their capability to do so for them selfs, but at the same time we should set a time table for them to step up and take that responsibility for them selfs. And it does appear as though the Iraqi government is willing to do just that, suggesting that we expedite the withdrawal. We're getting there, but it shouldn't take 100 years. Interesting articles on the subject: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2008-07-20-iraqadvisers_N.htm http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2008-07-19-iraq_N.htm http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2008-07-18-Iraqi-troops_N.htm Its the old " Give a man a fish, teach a man to fish" But it should not take 100 years like McCain says it will. 100 years sounds to me like he has no plan at all to get our troops out. That is a defeatist attitude.
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Oh I do hate Bush there is no debating that as do 2/3 of Americans. You have to be a hard core blinded by the party republican not to hate the moron. Don't get me wrong I'm no democrat either, I don't think any one should follow any party blindly as some do. As a military lifer you are use to being told what to do, and doing what you are told with out question by what ever politician is in the white house at the time. No matter if they are wrong, or not. I feel it is more American to question every thing they do, it is actually our responsibility to keep them in check. We are a democracy not an empire, our leaders can, and have been wrong. It is up to We the People to correct or prevent these wrongs. The Iraq war is one of these wrongs." WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN THERE! WE WERE LIED TO IN ORDER FOR IT TO HAPPEN. Just like Vietnam.
True we have a responsibility to make Iraq able to defend its self since we destroyed their capability to do so for them selfs, but at the same time we should set a time table for them to step up and take that responsibility for them selfs. Its the old " Give a man a fish, teach a man to fish" But it should not take 100 years like McCain says it will. 100 years sounds to me like he has no plan at all to get our troops out. That is a defeatist attitude.
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4string wrote: BilgeRat the Vietnam war lasting ten years with no progress and causing needless American deaths is what caused unrest back here at home, and finally got us out of there. It was another war we had no reason to be in, a Civil War. If you actually think we can defeat an enemy that has no Central and defined form of boundaries then you are delusional. You think that once we kill enough insurgence they will just stop? This is not like a war against another country, it is a war against ideas, of a train of thought, that you can not defeat with any sized military. Only by trying to change this train of thought can it be defeated. Our presents in Iraq only fules this hatred. We need to let Iraq govern Iraq. Because the insurgence is wide spread coming from other countries we can not stop it. This is not defeatist it is realistic. What do we do attack every country that we find some of these extremist are coming from? Then we would be attacking Canada. For a war WE started, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq is nothing more than a personal vendetta of Bush's for which he should be tried.
I couldn't agree more that Bush made a huge blunder by going into Iraq; I was opposed to the war at the very start and I believe that Bush and Cheney are lucky the Congress is not ballsy enough to impeach them. I would have been all for it.
But we will make just as big a mistake if we leave too quickly. I don't know how you can say there has been no progress. Even Democrats are having to admit that the surge is working. Former Sunni insurgents are now working with our forces in hunting down Al Qaeda and sectarian battles between Sunni and Shiite (what would constitute a civil war) have been significantly reduced. The U.S. forces are now a stabilizing force because of the counterinsurgency methods implemented by General Petraeus.
Here's a link to some of the latest progress
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2008-07-21-convoy-attacks_N.htm
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4string wrote: BilgeRat the Vietnam war lasting ten years with no progress and causing needless American deaths is what caused unrest back here at home, and finally got us out of there. It was another war we had no reason to be in, a Civil War. If you actually think we can defeat an enemy that has no Central and defined form of boundaries then you are delusional. You think that once we kill enough insurgence they will just stop? This is not like a war against another country, it is a war against ideas, of a train of thought, that you can not defeat with any sized military. Only by trying to change this train of thought can it be defeated. Our presents in Iraq only fules this hatred. We need to let Iraq govern Iraq. Because the insurgence is wide spread coming from other countries we can not stop it. This is not defeatist it is realistic. What do we do attack every country that we find some of these extremist are coming from? Then we would be attacking Canada. For a war WE started, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq is nothing more than a personal vendetta of Bush's for which he should be tried. Right on, 4string. You make some good points.
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4string wrote: BilgeRat the Vietnam war lasting ten years with no progress and causing needless American deaths is what caused unrest back here at home, and finally got us out of there. It was another war we had no reason to be in, a Civil War. If you actually think we can defeat an enemy that has no Central and defined form of boundaries then you are delusional. You think that once we kill enough insurgence they will just stop? This is not like a war against another country, it is a war against ideas, of a train of thought, that you can not defeat with any sized military. Only by trying to change this train of thought can it be defeated. Our presents in Iraq only fules this hatred. We need to let Iraq govern Iraq. Because the insurgence is wide spread coming from other countries we can not stop it. This is not defeatist it is realistic. What do we do attack every country that we find some of these extremist are coming from? Then we would be attacking Canada. For a war WE started, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq is nothing more than a personal vendetta of Bush's for which he should be tried.
No progress?
Iraq now has an actual Government, not a "Leader" who's son's would feed people into a wood chipper for entertainment
The surge worked making the area more secure, enabling the Iraqi Gov to move in and take control
And the Gov now wants to take over.
But there's "no progress"
I'm sorry, I'm just not as invested in "defeatism" as are you. I believe in American principles and in America.
And I see that you managed to get a "Hate Bush" in there at the last minute, bravo!
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| BilgeRat the Vietnam war lasting ten years with no progress and causing needless American deaths is what caused unrest back here at home, and finally got us out of there. It was another war we had no reason to be in, a Civil War. If you actually think we can defeat an enemy that has no Central and defined form of boundaries then you are delusional. You think that once we kill enough insurgence they will just stop? This is not like a war against another country, it is a war against ideas, of a train of thought, that you can not defeat with any sized military. Only by trying to change this train of thought can it be defeated. Our presents in Iraq only fules this hatred. We need to let Iraq govern Iraq. Because the insurgence is wide spread coming from other countries we can not stop it. This is not defeatist it is realistic. What do we do attack every country that we find some of these extremist are coming from? Then we would be attacking Canada. For a war WE started, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq is nothing more than a personal vendetta of Bush's for which he should be tried.
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McCain is so busy bad mouthing Obama because he doesn't have anything better to do.
He has deliberately missed many opportunities to bad/truth mouth him.
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FBYSC wrote: I read everyone comments on Obama and McCain and my opinion is those who are seriously hating on Obama, your hate makes him stronger. For the Dawg who made the comment about our children speaking Spanish if Obama becomes President, as I recall the current President caused that to be in place today as well in the work place as a requirement. I was watching I want to say CNN and they where doing a story on Obama and after viewing it I think I really got a brighter picture of why I favor him. It was mainly because he came from almost nothing and made himself the person he is today. Standing in front of us with the ability of being the next President of America. So with that said he knows how it is to have nothing, struggle, make ends meet, and wanting change, just like the same people who are looking up to him and wiling to put this Country in his hand. McCain is so busy bad mouthing Obama because he doesn't have anything better to do. He needs to make sure this marriage is legal.
For fact alot of people will not vote for him because he is African American(Those stuck in the slavery age) and the same majority will vote for him for that same reason and no other, just for him to be the first African American President. But there are greater numbers of supporters that will vote for him because they feel that he would do whats right and best for this Country. I am proud of him for not entertaining ignorant comments. Like someone else said he's staying focused and determined. Just because McCain was in the military, doesn't make him right for this Country. I feel it makes it worse. But these are my opinions.
Right on, my friend. He's the most responsible man for the job, and he has a better handle on the pressing issues. He's going to do our country a world of good.
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| There's still the posibility that Hitlery will be O's mate. Ron Paul is a write in. ( I'll write in Mickey Mouse before I vote for Obama)
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pops wrote: ...Hillary or Obama...(repeated several times)
Um -- don't know if you've noticed, but Hillary is no longer running -- neither is Ron Paul -- are you keepin' up with us, Pops?
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I read everyone comments on Obama and McCain and my opinion is those who are seriously hating on Obama, your hate makes him stronger. For the Dawg who made the comment about our children speaking Spanish if Obama becomes President, as I recall the current President caused that to be in place today as well in the work place as a requirement. I was watching I want to say CNN and they where doing a story on Obama and after viewing it I think I really got a brighter picture of why I favor him. It was mainly because he came from almost nothing and made himself the person he is today. Standing in front of us with the ability of being the next President of America. So with that said he knows how it is to have nothing, struggle, make ends meet, and wanting change, just like the same people who are looking up to him and wiling to put this Country in his hand. McCain is so busy bad mouthing Obama because he doesn't have anything better to do. He needs to make sure this marriage is legal.
For fact alot of people will not vote for him because he is African American(Those stuck in the slavery age) and the same majority will vote for him for that same reason and no other, just for him to be the first African American President. But there are greater numbers of supporters that will vote for him because they feel that he would do whats right and best for this Country. I am proud of him for not entertaining ignorant comments. Like someone else said he's staying focused and determined. Just because McCain was in the military, doesn't make him right for this Country. I feel it makes it worse. But these are my opinions.
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4string wrote: We can defeat any country in the world, but we can not win a war with no front lines. The Vietcong taught the world a lesson in how to defeat a super power. They certainly did, getting the "opposition" in America to wage a campaign against the conflict certainly helped their cause The Islamic extremist are doing the same thing. It will not end. Please read my above, again Obama has the right idea get us out of Iraq. Are you sure? Perhaps you better wait until he collects more "facts". It is time for Iraq to step up and be independent. That way we can focus on the real threat Afghanistan. Where the Talaban is located. I believe that is exactly what is occurring
Even then with them using hit and run tactics we will never truly win. Even if we killed Binladin some one would step up to take his place. Ahhh, there's that "defeatism" that we so love and admire Republican tax cuts only benifit the ritch. WOW, I must be rich! My tax base lowered and I'm only retired Military The Bush tax cuts have definately not done anything to keep the economy strong. It grows worse by the day every day he has been in office. There are other reasons, but you're not going to look for them. You just believe in "Hate Bush" Socialized medical is the only way every American can be covered. No matter how low in price they make the coverage some will still not be able to afford it. So how do "We" afford it? Let me guess, higher taxes. Japans system works great. No waiting, specialized care for everyone.
Lets look at the Japanese income tax system
In Japan, 53% in the United States, 42% in Germany, 33% in the U.K., and 27% in France.
The minimum taxable income of an employment income earner's household with two children is 3.84 million yen in Japan, 3.15 million yen in the United States, 1.38 million yen in the U.K., 3.83 million yen in Germany, and 2.98 million yen in France.
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We can defeat any country in the world, but we can not win a war with no front lines. The Vietcong taught the world a lesson in how to defeat a super power. The Islamic extremist are doing the same thing. It will not end. Obama has the right idea get us out of Iraq. It is time for Iraq to step up and be independent. That way we can focus on the real threat Afghanistan. Where the Talaban is located. Even then with them using hit and run tactics we will never truly win. Even if we killed Binladin some one would step up to take his place.
Republican tax cuts only benifit the ritch. The Bush tax cuts have definately not done anything to keep the economy strong. It grows worse by the day every day he has been in office.
Socialized medical is the only way every American can be covered. No matter how low in price they make the coverage some will still not be able to afford it. Japans system works great. No waiting, specialized care for everyone.
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McCain: defintely the lesser of two evils
To me politics is always about choosing the lesser of two evils. Some self-righteous anti-McCainite said to me on another blog a few days ago: "But the lesser of two evils is still evil."
I replied. "So should we then chose the worse of two evils?"
Take your pick:
McCain will continue (and win) the war on the Islamic terrorists.
Hillary or Obama will not.
McCain has said that he will secure our borders. (We can only hope that he has seen the light.)
Hillary or Obama will not.
McCain has said that he will not sign a bill with earmarks in it.
Hillary is the Queen of Pork, Miss Piggy herself and Obama will probably sign off on any earmark that is sent his way.
McCain will not allow the expansion of entitlement programs.
Hillary or Obama will expand entitlements to cradle to grave socialist welfare.
McCain has promised to make the Bush tax cuts permanent and cut corporate tax rates.
Hillary or Obama will raise both income and corporate taxes and cripple the economy.
McCain has said that he will develop free market solutions for health care, and respect for the right of free individuals to make choices for themselves.
Hillary or Obama both have plans for socialized health care which will be just as coercive and communistic as Canada's.
The choice is simple. I don't have to feel passionate about McCain. I'm simply going to vote for him not marry him.
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Lakota wrote: Oh yes, McCain is such a worldly man that today on CNN they reported him talking about Pakistain and Iran sharing a boarder, they don't. He wants to continue a war by sending more troops into an area that he does not even know where it is really located!!
And I really have to question a presidential canidate that can't even find the right end of the microphone to speak into. Gosh for bid he has to answer a 3 am phone call.
And think about his next 100 years in Iraq......all of us that have grand babies can just plan to send them off to McCain's & Bush's war. Just as well dress them all up in camos and give them a gun for their 1st birthday!!! McCain & Bush won't be around to watch our grandkids die in a war that they started!!!
And just one last thing, they are calling Obama an elitist, but it amazes me that John McCain has never known what it's like to try and make ends meet and his wife Cindy was born into one of the richest families in America, this is a man who flies around the world in a private jet, by his private pilot (wife, Cindy),do you really think that this man is going to help us the middle class put our kids through college, fix the mortgage issue, and find jobs for future generations (whlie continuing to send jobs to Mexico and Canada). But what does he really care about us, the middle class, as long has he has all those millions that his wife's family just aquired by selling an American company to a forgein one. Maybe we should all move to Mexico and rename it the United States. That's where we will all have to live if we want a job!
First of all, Iraq and Pakistan do share a border. Its called Iran...
Secondly, you called it.
People say Obama is elitist? Pshaw! McCain was born into a Naval Family who have money, power, respect, and more than one building named after them.
Obama isn't elitist, he's determined.
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Oh yes, McCain is such a worldly man that today on CNN they reported him talking about Pakistain and Iran sharing a boarder, they don't. He wants to continue a war by sending more troops into an area that he does not even know where it is really located!!
And I really have to question a presidential canidate that can't even find the right end of the microphone to speak into. Gosh for bid he has to answer a 3 am phone call.
And think about his next 100 years in Iraq......all of us that have grand babies can just plan to send them off to McCain's & Bush's war. Just as well dress them all up in camos and give them a gun for their 1st birthday!!! McCain & Bush won't be around to watch our grandkids die in a war that they started!!!
And just one last thing, they are calling Obama an elitist, but it amazes me that John McCain has never known what it's like to try and make ends meet and his wife Cindy was born into one of the richest families in America, this is a man who flies around the world in a private jet, by his private pilot (wife, Cindy),do you really think that this man is going to help us the middle class put our kids through college, fix the mortgage issue, and find jobs for future generations (whlie continuing to send jobs to Mexico and Canada). But what does he really care about us, the middle class, as long has he has all those millions that his wife's family just aquired by selling an American company to a forgein one. Maybe we should all move to Mexico and rename it the United States. That's where we will all have to live if we want a job!
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flsr wrote: pops wrote: There is an alternative, and a good man for the job.
But he's not in the running anymore.
I wanted Huckabee and he's out of it. Now we're left with a couple of questionables that leave us with trying to figure out the lessor of two evils.
The way I see it we have another War President or A Færietale1 Ninny.
1. Fancy, huh?
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pops wrote: There is an alternative, and a good man for the job.
But he's not in the running anymore.
I wanted Huckabee and he's out of it. Now we're left with a couple of questionables that leave us with trying to figure out the lessor of two evils.
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4string wrote: Those who say Obama will put this country worse shape, I can't see how he could Bush has destroyed our economy, our reputation, has put us in a war we should have never been in , and is now trying to allow our natural resources to fall into the hands of his Big Oil buddy's. He is the worst President to have ever served....
Amen!
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 04:37 pm |
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4string wrote: Those who say Obama will put this country worse shape, I can't see how he could Bush has destroyed our economy, our reputation, has put us in a war we should have never been in , and is now trying to allow our natural resources to fall into the hands of his Big Oil buddy's. He is the worst President to have ever served, and McCain is his clone. Obama is the only choice. I believe in change, that is why I'm an independent. I don't need any party telling me what to think, or believe in. You say politicians will say anything to be elected well McCain is a life long politician. At least Obama by not being a Washington Good-ol-Boy means he can do things different and bring change. It is a chance I would be willing to take, because doing things the way they have been done is not working, and McCain is just more of the same.
Insanity= Doing some thing the same way over and over and expecting different results.
I said in another thread...
..."we've always done it that way"
Is the most damaging sentence to a nation
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 04:33 pm |
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Those who say Obama will put this country worse shape, I can't see how he could Bush has destroyed our economy, our reputation, has put us in a war we should have never been in , and is now trying to allow our natural resources to fall into the hands of his Big Oil buddy's. He is the worst President to have ever served, and McCain is his clone. Obama is the only choice. I believe in change, that is why I'm an independent. I don't need any party telling me what to think, or believe in. You say politicians will say anything to be elected well McCain is a life long politician. At least Obama by not being a Washington Good-ol-Boy means he can do things different and bring change. It is a chance I would be willing to take, because doing things the way they have been done is not working, and McCain is just more of the same.
Insanity= Doing some thing the same way over and over and expecting different results.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 11:01 am |
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There is an alternative, and a good man for the job.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 04:53 am |
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Patriot wrote: Apathy. That is the real threat. Those that cared in the past = dis-hearted. Those that voted in the past = disheartened. Democracy doesn't govern America , capitalism dictates and rules the laws of this land of liberty. Voting is only a formality that ultimately has no consequence!
Apathy is a threat and yet we should not vote? Wow, that makes sense.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 04:52 am |
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| Okay, I thought about it.....you still don't make sense.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 04:11 am |
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| On the presidential ballot , isn't there a space for a write-in candidate? I would ask everyone who reads this and agrees with it to write the words "SOMEONE ELSE" in the space provided. If you think this is wasting your vote , I ask you who were you going to vote for originally and why??? Still think this is a waste ? Stop and think about it for a moment.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 04:05 am |
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| Apathy. That is the real threat. Those that cared in the past = dis-hearted. Those that voted in the past = disheartened. Democracy doesn't govern America , capitalism dictates and rules the laws of this land of liberty. Voting is only a formality that ultimately has no consequence!
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 03:35 am |
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I have to say it.
Obama '08
I'm not on the boat with another war President.
If it came down to it I'd vote a ham sandwich in if it was an option but with the two I have to look at, Obama it is.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 03:34 am |
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| Amen
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 01:16 am |
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| you got that right
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 01:13 am |
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floridagirl wrote: VoiceReason wrote: flsr wrote: Voice of unreasonableness. I really tend to agree with you that Obama will be elected, and you liberals will be thanking your lucky stars. I wanted to say at least after the election for awhile, but when things go from bad to worse you won't know who is at fault, and you can always blame the previous administration, so you can't lose anyway, can you.
None of us will lose with Obama as President of the United States of America. Let us all pray he is elected.
Let us all pray that he is not elected .
And all the people say, Amen
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Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 10:19 pm |
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VoiceReason wrote: flsr wrote: Voice of unreasonableness. I really tend to agree with you that Obama will be elected, and you liberals will be thanking your lucky stars. I wanted to say at least after the election for awhile, but when things go from bad to worse you won't know who is at fault, and you can always blame the previous administration, so you can't lose anyway, can you.
None of us will lose with Obama as President of the United States of America. Let us all pray he is elected.
Let us all pray that he is not elected .
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Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 10:06 pm |
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I totaly disagree obama will not be elected! Once the shit starts flying when things heat up McCain will come out on top when it clears! The American people will wake up and take their blinders off and see he has no clue what he is doing. obama is the worst thing that could ever happen to this Country. He will drive this contry in the dirt even farther than it is now. A vote for obama is a victory for the terrorist. I hope you have it in you to fight terrorists on our streets and not lay your arms down and surrender like a good little liberal. Oh I forgot liberals dont own guns but I am sure they have a supply of white flags in the closet. I 'll end this saying I dont care for McCain at least the man hase a clue whats going on around him and the world! obama wouldnt make a pimple on Bush's rear let alone President
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Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 08:08 pm |
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flsr wrote: Voice of unreasonableness. I really tend to agree with you that Obama will be elected, and you liberals will be thanking your lucky stars. I wanted to say at least after the election for awhile, but when things go from bad to worse you won't know who is at fault, and you can always blame the previous administration, so you can't lose anyway, can you.
None of us will lose with Obama as President of the United States of America. Let us all pray he is elected.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 06:10 pm |
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| Voice of unreasonableness. I really tend to agree with you that Obama will be elected, and you liberals will be thanking your lucky stars. I wanted to say at least after the election for awhile, but when things go from bad to worse you won't know who is at fault, and you can always blame the previous administration, so you can't lose anyway, can you.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 05:32 pm |
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VoiceReason wrote: Southerndawg wrote: What makes you think he is going to change anything? For one thing please enlighten me on what he has done! From what I read the only thing he has done was write a book about himself he is a 4th year senator that has done absolutly Nothing. Hell nobody ever heard of him until he had a silly notion that he wanted to be president. He will NEVER be elected. You wont vote for him either unless you want your children to speak spanish
dawg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W7srmHLclw
Oh he'll be elected alright, and you had better thank your lucky stars that this great man has come along to straighten out this country.
And another conversion to the Altar of the Messiah!
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Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 05:24 pm |
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Southerndawg wrote: What makes you think he is going to change anything? For one thing please enlighten me on what he has done! From what I read the only thing he has done was write a book about himself he is a 4th year senator that has done absolutly Nothing. Hell nobody ever heard of him until he had a silly notion that he wanted to be president. He will NEVER be elected. You wont vote for him either unless you want your children to speak spanish
dawg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W7srmHLclw
Oh he'll be elected alright, and you had better thank your lucky stars that this great man has come along to straighten out this country.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 04:51 pm |
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What makes you think he is going to change anything? For one thing please enlighten me on what he has done! From what I read the only thing he has done was write a book about himself he is a 4th year senator that has done absolutly Nothing. Hell nobody ever heard of him until he had a silly notion that he wanted to be president. He will NEVER be elected. You wont vote for him either unless you want your children to speak spanish
dawg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W7srmHLclw
Last edited on Sun Jul 20th, 2008 05:03 pm by Southerndawg
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Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 03:48 pm |
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Southerndawg wrote: That made me laugh and spit coffee all over my screen. Sorry to burst your bubble but obama will not get elected!!!!
Icare wrote: I think Barack Obama speaking at the Brandenburg Gate is fitting as he will be our next president and will take us from the brink of economic discourse and save this country from global demise.
Let's hope you're wrong, or we'll be in for a world of hurt. Going to war with Iran is the last thing our economy needs. McCain singing "Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran" is a sure indication of what his plans are.
Here's a link of him singing the song and then him commenting on why he did it. He told us we needed to lighten up and get a life and not make such a big deal out of him singing it. He's SCARY!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzBxFaio1I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2v8cuQTVO8&feature=related
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Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 03:17 pm |
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That made me laugh and spit coffee all over my screen. Sorry to burst your bubble but obama will not get elected!!!!
Icare wrote: I think Barack Obama speaking at the Brandenburg Gate is fitting as he will be our next president and will take us from the brink of economic discourse and save this country from global demise.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 01:31 pm |
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FYI...your on the money! I was hoping someone else who win the republican
party nomination, but since it didn't happen, I'm going to have to vote for
McCain.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 01:15 pm |
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A lot of Obama's supporters are going to find in the coming months that they have been taken down the primrose path.
Obama, like every politician will say what ever will get him elected. It is his goal to get into office. No matter the deal or consequences. Expect him to do exactly like the Democratic Congress he comes from. He will regulate all that he can to support his cronies. You can expect nothing from him, as yo |