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Icare wrote: FLA GIRL wrote: Hoopla wrote: There is an interesting article on the front page of the Okeechobee News entitled Schools Face Budget Woes. The OCSB is anticipating a $1.3 million dollar funding shortfall.
I encourage everyone to read the article. It may answer some of the questions that were asked here recently.
If the school is facing budget issues, then why has our school taxes raised since 2006, they added approx the 3 % that the county took off there part, it might be the funding from the state but not the county tax dollars,
I was speaking to a friend last night in a different state that was having the same issues as we are, they went around to all the teachers withmore than 10years and asked who was willing to take a pay cut to keep there jobs, believe it or not they only ended up hiring one new teacher all the others were willling to take that cut ,maybe this might be a option for this situation
The original situation we were talking about had to do with retired teachers not being hired back. It also had to do with not hiring teachers with more than 10 years. The teachers in this district with more than 10 years, who are currently teaching, aren't affected. ICARE, The buget cuts have alot to do with teachers with more than 10 years, it all boils down to money, if there were no money issues we would not be discussing the teachers not being rehired, goes hand in hand
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FLA GIRL wrote: Hoopla wrote: There is an interesting article on the front page of the Okeechobee News entitled Schools Face Budget Woes. The OCSB is anticipating a $1.3 million dollar funding shortfall.
I encourage everyone to read the article. It may answer some of the questions that were asked here recently.
If the school is facing budget issues, then why has our school taxes raised since 2006, they added approx the 3 % that the county took off there part, it might be the funding from the state but not the county tax dollars,
I was speaking to a friend last night in a different state that was having the same issues as we are, they went around to all the teachers withmore than 10years and asked who was willing to take a pay cut to keep there jobs, believe it or not they only ended up hiring one new teacher all the others were willling to take that cut ,maybe this might be a option for this situation
The original situation we were talking about had to do with retired teachers not being hired back. It also had to do with not hiring teachers with more than 10 years. The teachers in this district with more than 10 years, who are currently teaching, aren't affected.
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| School taxes have gone up since 2006 because the assessed values of our homes went up significantly. If the taxes go up again this year it is because of the amendment which passed earlier in the year - you know, the one that everybody who voted for it believed that it would actually lower our taxes without affecting services. Yeah, right - now our services are being cut and our taxes are going up. Thanks, Governor, for selling us that load of goods.
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Hoopla wrote: There is an interesting article on the front page of the Okeechobee News entitled Schools Face Budget Woes. The OCSB is anticipating a $1.3 million dollar funding shortfall.
I encourage everyone to read the article. It may answer some of the questions that were asked here recently.
If the school is facing budget issues, then why has our school taxes raised since 2006, they added approx the 3 % that the county took off there part, it might be the funding from the state but not the county tax dollars,
I was speaking to a friend last night in a different state that was having the same issues as we are, they went around to all the teachers withmore than 10years and asked who was willing to take a pay cut to keep there jobs, believe it or not they only ended up hiring one new teacher all the others were willling to take that cut ,maybe this might be a option for this situation
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| I believe there are quite a few teachers who are quite satisfied with the pay they receive.
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waboc wrote: First - I absolutely need to reply to the post that teacher pay "sucks"...
Teachers in Okeechobee need to get a clue. Please remember that there were only two people (Deerhunter and ftsb08) who were upset about the retired teachers not getting hired. They were emotionally involved and felt bad about their friend. It is one of the better paying jobs with good benefits and a great deal of time that doesn't require them to report to the classroom. Look around - many of us are barely hanging onto our jobs during these times of economic hardships. We are having to take pay cuts, lose benefits, and are having our hours cut. This is NOT the time - or place, for that matter - for teachers to complain about their salaries! I doubt much public sympathy will come of it.
Next - let me get things straight about this retired teacher...
A teacher retired from the system with sonmewhere close to 30 years of service. Now the teacher wants to return at top pay and still continue to collect retirement - all at the taxpayers expense. Am I the only person who thinks that the school board and superintendent are brilliant in saying this isn't a good idea during these economic times? Sorry, teacher, but there are a number of extremely well-qualified youngsters who are fresh out of college ready to work for a lot less money and are llikely to be better motivated in their quest to teach our youngsters.
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First - I absolutely need to reply to the post that teacher pay "sucks"...
Teachers in Okeechobee need to get a clue. It is one of the better paying jobs with good benefits and a great deal of time that doesn't require them to report to the classroom. Look around - many of us are barely hanging onto our jobs during these times of economic hardships. We are having to take pay cuts, lose benefits, and are having our hours cut. This is NOT the time - or place, for that matter - for teachers to complain about their salaries! I doubt much public sympathy will come of it.
Next - let me get things straight about this retired teacher...
A teacher retired from the system with sonmewhere close to 30 years of service. Now the teacher wants to return at top pay and still continue to collect retirement - all at the taxpayers expense. Am I the only person who thinks that the school board and superintendent are brilliant in saying this isn't a good idea during these economic times? Sorry, teacher, but there are a number of extremely well-qualified youngsters who are fresh out of college ready to work for a lot less money and are llikely to be better motivated in their quest to teach our youngsters.
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First - I absolutely need to reply to the post that teacher pay "sucks"...
Teachers in Okeechobee need to get a clue. It is one of the better paying jobs with good benefits and a great deal of time that doesn't require them to report to the classroom. Look around - many of us are barely hanging onto our jobs during these times of economic hardships. We are having to take pay cuts, lose benefits, and are having our hours cut. This is NOT the time - or place, for that matter - for teachers to complain about their salaries! I doubt much public sympathy will come of it.
Next - let me get things straight about this retired teacher...
A teacher retired from the system with sonmewhere close to 30 years of service. Now the teacher wants to return at top pay and still continue to collect retirement - all at the taxpayers expense. Am I the only person who thinks that the school board and superintendent are brilliant in saying this isn't a good idea during these economic times? Sorry, teacher, but there are a number of extremely well-qualified youngsters who are fresh out of college ready to work for a lot less money and are llikely to be better motivated in their quest to teach our youngsters.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25th, 2008 06:19 pm |
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Hoopla wrote: There is an interesting article on the front page of the Okeechobee News entitled Schools Face Budget Woes. The OCSB is anticipating a $1.3 million dollar funding shortfall.
I encourage everyone to read the article. It may answer some of the questions that were asked here recently.
Very interesting, indeed. It goes a long way to explain why the district may be looking to hire teachers with fewer than 10 years. It looks like the teachers in this district were lucky to keep their jobs with those kinds of cutbacks. Instead of thanking the district administration, they're complaining because a few retired teachers, who retired to meet their own personal needs, won't be rehired.
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There is an interesting article on the front page of the Okeechobee News entitled Schools Face Budget Woes. The OCSB is anticipating a $1.3 million dollar funding shortfall.
I encourage everyone to read the article. It may answer some of the questions that were asked here recently.
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I am not a mean person, I just dont tollerate crap, If someone gets snotty with me I return the favor, I generally am very easy going person, If you back me in a corner or decide that you are better, then I will put you in your place
Also you both seem so much alike THE RAT is correct maybe you do need a room and a bottle of wine
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Zarawer wrote: After you guys finish giving high fives and slaps on the tush you can get back on topic?
Do they need a room ?
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After you guys finish giving high fives and slaps on the tush you can get back on topic?
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jrfan88 wrote: I would consider it a compliment to be considered you. We think the same - so something's gotta be said for that
Well so far I've agreed with everything you've said. This is going to be a lasting friendship, I can tell already. I'm not a big Jr fan though, but I won't hold that against you.
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jrfan88 wrote: FLA GIRL wrote: jrfan88 wrote: ftsb08 wrote: great idea there. so be it. let the school board do what they want. don't you understand that nobody is "letting" them do what they want...they just do it.
no, I'm far from being a hot head. when you state things like..."so you suggest going with the one with most years regardless of who is better" that aggravates me because that is not what i said. It so happens that the teacher while experienced, is ALSO the better. not by my standards, but by the principals and the other teachers who by the way, have all put their children in her room each year. If she is not qualified, then why would they all request her?
maybe we could save some money by replacing the school board members who have more than 10 years experience....how old is dr. cooper? maybe we need a superintendent with new techniques right out of college. since experience doesn't count for anything. I really didn't expect any replies to agree with me....but it would be interesting to know if those of you who disagree with me are teachers. those here in the system know I'm telling facts.
ps. i don't teach ese.
I honestly hope that you aren't a teacher in this district. Your "ps" at the end is highly inappropriate and unprofessional.
Why dont you back off of people and leave it alone before someone does put you in your place Being picky of others constitutes butt head on the other end, your not perfect unless your GOD and I surely know better than that, People like you are wanna be`s , meaning you think you have a backbone and want to be perfect, but oops, you must have been one of the bullies in school, for got how to be civil adn overlook mistakes......
Wow! If that's not the pot calling the kettle black then I don't know what is. Take a look back at your other posts. Read them. And, by the way, I've been reading these posts for over a year. I didn't decide to register until I'd had enough of your rants and raves and wanted to have a few of my own. Also, since when does how many posts you have determine the worth of your opinion? It's just a number and means nothing to me.
Zarawer, Voice Reason is right. She is a mean pussy cat. But, I will try really hard not to stoop to her level anymore either.
Right on, jrfan88. I like the way you think. You better be careful though, in a minute you'll be accused of being me, or I'll be accused of being you. Anytime anyone agrees with me they get accused of being my second login. Just a little heads up...
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FLA GIRL wrote: jrfan88 wrote: ftsb08 wrote: great idea there. so be it. let the school board do what they want. don't you understand that nobody is "letting" them do what they want...they just do it.
no, I'm far from being a hot head. when you state things like..."so you suggest going with the one with most years regardless of who is better" that aggravates me because that is not what i said. It so happens that the teacher while experienced, is ALSO the better. not by my standards, but by the principals and the other teachers who by the way, have all put their children in her room each year. If she is not qualified, then why would they all request her?
maybe we could save some money by replacing the school board members who have more than 10 years experience....how old is dr. cooper? maybe we need a superintendent with new techniques right out of college. since experience doesn't count for anything. I really didn't expect any replies to agree with me....but it would be interesting to know if those of you who disagree with me are teachers. those here in the system know I'm telling facts.
ps. i don't teach ese.
I honestly hope that you aren't a teacher in this district. Your "ps" at the end is highly inappropriate and unprofessional.
Why dont you back off of people and leave it alone before someone does put you in your place Being picky of others constitutes butt head on the other end, your not perfect unless your GOD and I surely know better than that, People like you are wanna be`s , meaning you think you have a backbone and want to be perfect, but oops, you must have been one of the bullies in school, for got how to be civil adn overlook mistakes......
Wow! If that's not the pot calling the kettle black then I don't know what is. Take a look back at your other posts. Read them. And, by the way, I've been reading these posts for over a year. I didn't decide to register until I'd had enough of your rants and raves and wanted to have a few of my own. Also, since when does how many posts you have determine the worth of your opinion? It's just a number and means nothing to me.
Zarawer, Voice Reason is right. She is a mean pussy cat. But, I will try really hard not to stoop to her level anymore either.
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Zarawer wrote: Ladies; retract your claws. Meow!
FLA Girl is a mean pussy cat. She's always negative about people. But, you're right I shouldn't stoop to her level.Last edited on Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 12:59 pm by VoiceReason
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Ladies; retract your claws. Meow!
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FLA GIRL wrote: I personally dont care who talks about me, I have the backbone to state my opinion to their face as I have in the past, I dont hide, I speak it the way i see it, anyone that knows me will tell you , dont ask a question if your scared of the answer, also i never stated you worked for the system, I believe my statement said if you are in the system as you say, I personally feel that alot of the Admin for the High school and Middle school (Yearling) should be changed for better, all I see is popularity from both, and its a shame that grown people have to be in a contest , I thought schools were for teaching and learning, not popularity for the teachers and the ADmin, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong
Ok, consider yourself corrected. Have you ever thought about the possibility that you might be the problem? Maybe the high school and YMS can change you for the better. Oh I know, maybe if you'd become a little more popular they'd like you better. Perhaps just being nice might make a huge difference. That's it...go in there next year, smile, be courteous and nice, and maybe they won't dread seeing you walk through the door since they know you're going to do nothing but complain. I bet they can't wait to get your kids out of their school. You sound like a royal pain.
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jrfan88 wrote: ftsb08 wrote: great idea there. so be it. let the school board do what they want. don't you understand that nobody is "letting" them do what they want...they just do it.
no, I'm far from being a hot head. when you state things like..."so you suggest going with the one with most years regardless of who is better" that aggravates me because that is not what i said. It so happens that the teacher while experienced, is ALSO the better. not by my standards, but by the principals and the other teachers who by the way, have all put their children in her room each year. If she is not qualified, then why would they all request her?
maybe we could save some money by replacing the school board members who have more than 10 years experience....how old is dr. cooper? maybe we need a superintendent with new techniques right out of college. since experience doesn't count for anything. I really didn't expect any replies to agree with me....but it would be interesting to know if those of you who disagree with me are teachers. those here in the system know I'm telling facts.
ps. i don't teach ese.
I honestly hope that you aren't a teacher in this district. Your "ps" at the end is highly inappropriate and unprofessional.
Why dont you back off of people and leave it alone before someone does put you in your place Being picky of others constitutes butt head on the other end, your not perfect unless your GOD and I surely know better than that, People like you are wanna be`s , meaning you think you have a backbone and want to be perfect, but oops, you must have been one of the bullies in school, for got how to be civil adn overlook mistakes......
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jrfan88 wrote: FLA GIRL wrote: I personally dont care who talks about me, I have the backbone to state my opinion to their face as I have in the past, I dont hide, I speak it the way i see it, anyone that knows me will tell you , dont ask a question if your scared of the answer, also i never stated you worked for the system, I believe my statement said if you are in the system as you say, I personally feel that alot of the Admin for the High school and Middle school (Yearling) should be changed for better, all I see is popularity from both, and its a shame that grown people have to be in a contest , I thought schools were for teaching and learning, not popularity for the teachers and the ADmin, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong
Honestly, FLA Girl, I'm not sure anyone knows what you are saying! It's very difficult to understand what your posts say because you write stream of consciousness. And, honestly, you're no William Faulkner (that's a literary allusion by the way). In addition, your mis-typed words sometimes skew your original meaning. So, take a deep breath, type slower and use some punctuation - then maybe we all can be enlightened by what it is you are actually trying to convey.
For example, in one post you totally disparage the highschool teachers who taught your son. No I stated that they did not have communication with the parents i did not say they were bad teachers But, then you commend them in another post. Do you really know how you feel about your childrens' teachers?
And, I agree with VoiceReason. You shouldn't be putting names or initials in these posts. It's a direct violation of the forum's policies (not that you've read them obviously). All it will take is someone reporting you and you'll be kicked off. Oh, how sad we would all be! And for your info i have read them and understand them fine, thank you
I dont need you to correct my grammar or punctuation, I am not a teacher nor have I ever claimed to be one, I also could careless how you or the Voice feel, as I see It voice has and opinion and so do you and I , If you dont like what I have to say then dont read it, you have a great big 5 posts oh boy, you state your opinions I will state mine and we will be civil about it, voice does nothing most of the time but stir the pot anyway with 2 login names, normally means 2 faced, and so you know I use spell check, so if they are wrong then the website is wrong......
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ftsb08 wrote: great idea there. so be it. let the school board do what they want. don't you understand that nobody is "letting" them do what they want...they just do it.
no, I'm far from being a hot head. when you state things like..."so you suggest going with the one with most years regardless of who is better" that aggravates me because that is not what i said. It so happens that the teacher while experienced, is ALSO the better. not by my standards, but by the principals and the other teachers who by the way, have all put their children in her room each year. If she is not qualified, then why would they all request her?
maybe we could save some money by replacing the school board members who have more than 10 years experience....how old is dr. cooper? maybe we need a superintendent with new techniques right out of college. since experience doesn't count for anything. I really didn't expect any replies to agree with me....but it would be interesting to know if those of you who disagree with me are teachers. those here in the system know I'm telling facts.
ps. i don't teach ese.
I honestly hope that you aren't a teacher in this district. Your "ps" at the end is highly inappropriate and unprofessional.
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FLA GIRL wrote: I personally dont care who talks about me, I have the backbone to state my opinion to their face as I have in the past, I dont hide, I speak it the way i see it, anyone that knows me will tell you , dont ask a question if your scared of the answer, also i never stated you worked for the system, I believe my statement said if you are in the system as you say, I personally feel that alot of the Admin for the High school and Middle school (Yearling) should be changed for better, all I see is popularity from both, and its a shame that grown people have to be in a contest , I thought schools were for teaching and learning, not popularity for the teachers and the ADmin, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong
Honestly, FLA Girl, I'm not sure anyone knows what you are saying! It's very difficult to understand what your posts say because you write stream of consciousness. And, honestly, you're no William Faulkner (that's a literary allusion by the way). In addition, your mis-typed words sometimes skew your original meaning. So, take a deep breath, type slower and use some punctuation - then maybe we all can be enlightened by what it is you are actually trying to convey.
For example, in one post you totally disparage the highschool teachers who taught your son. But, then you commend them in another post. Do you really know how you feel about your childrens' teachers?
And, I agree with VoiceReason. You shouldn't be putting names or initials in these posts. It's a direct violation of the forum's policies (not that you've read them obviously). All it will take is someone reporting you and you'll be kicked off. Oh, how sad we would all be!
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I personally dont care who talks about me, I have the backbone to state my opinion to their face as I have in the past, I dont hide, I speak it the way i see it, anyone that knows me will tell you , dont ask a question if your scared of the answer, also i never stated you worked for the system, I believe my statement said if you are in the system as you say, I personally feel that alot of the Admin for the High school and Middle school (Yearling) should be changed for better, all I see is popularity from both, and its a shame that grown people have to be in a contest , I thought schools were for teaching and learning, not popularity for the teachers and the ADmin, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong
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FLA GIRL wrote: Its not most of the teachers, most work with what they have its the school board that is to blame for most, no buget, cut the budget were the monies is actually needed, and the teachers I have stated should be removed from the class room , the school is no place for teachers to be in a popularity contest, I could name off a few good teachers that actually care , So if this makes you happy here goes, Mr swogger,Mrs kavolsky, Mr Mims, Mrs White, Mr Sluder, Mrs McGee, Mr Kielbasa, Mr Welch, Mrs Nash,Murchison,Dickens,Vancamp,Jahner,Joyner, Hats off to all these teachers, I know they try their best,
To those that are non academic, Mrs Pat Murray, Ms Annie, Ms Joesph, Mr & Mrs Browning, Mrs Murray
So I hope this makes your day , that I had a positive statement about the teachers and I could go on with there is a teacher at seminole that does not speak fluent english an she is try to teach our children, I am sure if you are in the system as you say you are then you know exactly who I am speaking of,
I don't work for the school system, nor have I ever said that I do. I simply have children in the system and know how hard the teachers and administrators work. I appreciate you acknowledging those teachers. You shouldn't put the names of people in these posts. You wouldn't want someone discussing you, would you? You keep doing that.
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Its not most of the teachers, most work with what they have its the school board that is to blame for most, no buget, cut the budget were the monies is actually needed, and the teachers I have stated should be removed from the class room , the school is no place for teachers to be in a popularity contest, I could name off a few good teachers that actually care , So if this makes you happy here goes, Mr swogger,Mrs kavolsky, Mr Mims, Mrs White, Mr Sluder, Mrs McGee, Mr Kielbasa, Mr Welch, Mrs Nash,Murchison,Dickens,Vancamp,Jahner,Joyner, Hats off to all these teachers, I know they try their best,
To those that are non academic, Mrs Pat Murray, Ms Annie, Ms Joesph, Mr & Mrs Browning, Mrs Murray
So I hope this makes your day , that I had a positive statement about the teachers and I could go on with there is a teacher at seminole that does not speak fluent english an she is try to teach our children, I am sure if you are in the system as you say you are then you know exactly who I am speaking of,
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FLA GIRL wrote: My child is ESE but only because she is strong in most subjects and slow in math, I have found that with K-5 Mr Mims is the beat thing that had ever happened to the ESE program, I have also found that BW at yearling is not a good ESE anything,ESE does not mean retarded or stupid it means they are lacking the understanding of a subject or slow to learn it maybe all or only one, I feel sorry for the ESE students at yearling due to the fact that alot of them were honor roll for 5th grade and now are doing not so good, that should say something about the ESE teacher,
As I stated in the past popularity is an issue that does need to be solved, maybe cooper needs to get off duff and take a trip to all the schools to see who is doing there job or not, but without notice
Every thread that has to do with the school system, you've got something bad to say. You have no problem naming these people by name, and you don't have all the facts. You've really got no idea about how much time Dr. Cooper spends at the school sites or how the high school is helping the students academically.
You've talked before about how successful two of your children are (honor roll, gifted, etc.), but you've yet to give credit to their teachers and this school system.
I thank you for acknowledging the above teacher for his efforts, and I believe you mentioned your daughter's math teacher as someone who made contact with you, but other than that you've got only bad things to say. I'm sorry your experiences haven't been more positive. I've got two children in this district, and I've had nothing but positive experiences. Have you considered volunteering so you're more involved and active in the school system? You may find that there are a whole bunch of fabulous teachers there who would bend over backwards for you.
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My child is ESE but only because she is strong in most subjects and slow in math, I have found that with K-5 Mr Mims is the beat thing that had ever happened to the ESE program, I have also found that BW at yearling is not a good ESE anything,ESE does not mean retarded or stupid it means they are lacking the understanding of a subject or slow to learn it maybe all or only one, I feel sorry for the ESE students at yearling due to the fact that alot of them were honor roll for 5th grade and now are doing not so good, that should say something about the ESE teacher,
As I stated in the past popularity is an issue that does need to be solved, maybe cooper needs to get off duff and take a trip to all the schools to see who is doing there job or not, but without notice
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 05:49 pm |
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ftsb08 wrote: great idea there. so be it. let the school board do what they want. don't you understand that nobody is "letting" them do what they want...they just do it.
no, I'm far from being a hot head. when you state things like..."so you suggest going with the one with most years regardless of who is better" that aggravates me because that is not what i said. It so happens that the teacher while experienced, is ALSO the better. Maybe so, but she's also expensive. So it's better to hire someone just as good who is a lot cheaper to pay. not by my standards, but by the principals and the other teachers who by the way, have all put their children in her room each year. If she is not qualified, then why would they all request her?
maybe we could save some money by replacing the school board members who have more than 10 years experience....how old is dr. cooper? maybe we need a superintendent with new techniques right out of college. since experience doesn't count for anything. I really didn't expect any replies to agree with me....but it would be interesting to know if those of you who disagree with me are teachers. those here in the system know I'm telling facts.
ps. i don't teach ese. I guess you're insinuating that my grandchild is ESE so I don't have to worry about you being the teacher. Well that goes a long way to say how you feel about ESE students. Boy, you're a piece of work, and to think you're teaching. I feel sorry for your students--you're a bitter, angry uncaring person. I feel sorry for you.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 04:09 pm |
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ftsb08 wrote: I really didn't want this posting to go in this direction... Then why have YOU been calling people "morons" and "ignorant"? You seem to have gotten way out of hand and are too emotional to speak rationally on the subject. You're obviously emotionally involved and can't see the other side of the situation. If the school board wants to save money by only hiring those with fewer than 10 years of experience than so be it. It sounds like they're doing the best with what they have. With the economy the way it is, it sounds like good business sense to me. I'm concerned with your behavior. If you're a teacher, could you please tell me your name so I know not to put my grandchild in your class. You're a hothead and might go off on a child. you are correct in that we all want what is best for the students. I don't want to reveal the teacher's identity for obvious reasons, but she certainly meets all your criteria for a successful and effective teacher. I dare say that you would be hard pressed to find someone to say otherwise.
The subject has gone way beyond what I intended to bring to light. THis has nothing to do with picking a teacher with experience above one without. I agree that one could find a terrible experienced teacher or a wonderful inexperienced teacher. This is NOT the case here.
my concern is that the board can do this to someone of her caliber. While it may not be a policy, it IS in an email sent to all principals the first week of june this year. DO NOT hire any personnel with over 10 years experience. She was already hired by the principal....she had spoken with human resources and got the ok....she had a spot and had already began going through curriculum for the coming year. Parents had requested their child be in her room, and the school was abuzz with the news of her return. When we heard that she was not returning due to the email and decision by dr. cooper, it left a bad taste in our mouths. another teacher met with dr. cooper hoping to change her mind, but dr. cooper didn't budge. These are two teachers with excellent credentials and wonderful experience who will add significantly to the school system...but at least they owe it to the women who have dedicated their lives to the Okeechobee County School System. in this time of recession, they NEED this job and have been denied. Shame on Dr. Cooper. Teacher pay sucks to begin with...they do it from the heart. And for their career to end this way is a travesty that we all need to be aware of.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 08:52 pm |
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I really didn't want this posting to go in this direction... you are correct in that we all want what is best for the students. I don't want to reveal the teacher's identity for obvious reasons, but she certainly meets all your criteria for a successful and effective teacher. I dare say that you would be hard pressed to find someone to say otherwise.
The subject has gone way beyond what I intended to bring to light. THis has nothing to do with picking a teacher with experience above one without. I agree that one could find a terrible experienced teacher or a wonderful inexperienced teacher. This is NOT the case here.
my concern is that the board can do this to someone of her caliber. While it may not be a policy, it IS in an email sent to all principals the first week of june this year. DO NOT hire any personnel with over 10 years experience. She was already hired by the principal....she had spoken with human resources and got the ok....she had a spot and had already began going through curriculum for the coming year. Parents had requested their child be in her room, and the school was abuzz with the news of her return. When we heard that she was not returning due to the email and decision by dr. cooper, it left a bad taste in our mouths. another teacher met with dr. cooper hoping to change her mind, but dr. cooper didn't budge. These are two teachers with excellent credentials and wonderful experience who will add significantly to the school system...but at least they owe it to the women who have dedicated their lives to the Okeechobee County School System. in this time of recession, they NEED this job and have been denied. Shame on Dr. Cooper. Teacher pay sucks to begin with...they do it from the heart. And for their career to end this way is a travesty that we all need to be aware of.
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It is nice to know that there are so many people concerned with the students of this district. Working together we can all help them do their best.
For the record, there is no policy in place in this district stating that teaches with more than 10 years of service can not be hired.
I'm attaching a link that shows there is no statistical evidence that proves teachers with experience outperform novice teachers. So, to arbitrarily hire a person based on years of service could be a disservice to our students.
http://www.utoledo.edu/colleges/education/par/Successful.html
Part of the article lists the qualities all teachers must possess in order to be successful.
While research may never define the "art" of teaching, a reliable body of information is available on effective teaching practices. This is exemplified in the existing assessment instruments which have isolated the factors that contribute to successful teacher performance. The four areas in which most instruments assess include: (a) teaching preparation and procedures; (b) classroom management; (c) knowledge of subject or academic preparation, and (d) personal characteristics and professional responsibility. Both the Toledo Plan and the Columbus PARS program, incorporate these areas into their teacher performance criteria.. Each of the areas will be discussed with specific guidelines provided to enhance teacher effectiveness.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 01:43 pm |
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T-BONE wrote: WHAT HAPPENED TO COACH OWEN, KENDALL AND LOCATTA, I HEAR THEY AREN'T COMING BACK, I KNOW THE FIRST TWO WERE TEACHERS, DON'T KNOW ABOUT COACH LOCATTA.
DID THEY GET THE AX OR DID FRUSTRATION MOVE THEM ELSEWHERE?
IF I HAVE A CHOICE BETWEEN OLDER TEACHERS, NEW TEACHERS --
(EXPERIENCE VS THEORY)
I WILL PICK EXPERIENCE , ITS A NO-BRAINER.
Whatever happened to picking the best teacher? Just because you have experience doesn't mean you're the best for the job. Some teachers with 30 years do nothing but sit behind their desks all day because they're too tired to do anything else. I'll go with the best not the one with number of service years. Do you know how hard it is to get rid of a bad teacher once they are tenured? It is virtually impossible. So you're suggesting go with the one with the most years regardless of who is better?
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 01:30 pm |
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WHAT HAPPENED TO COACH OWEN, KENDALL AND LOCATTA, I HEAR THEY AREN'T COMING BACK, I KNOW THE FIRST TWO WERE TEACHERS, DON'T KNOW ABOUT COACH LOCATTA.
DID THEY GET THE AX OR DID FRUSTRATION MOVE THEM ELSEWHERE?
IF I HAVE A CHOICE BETWEEN OLDER TEACHERS, NEW TEACHERS --
(EXPERIENCE VS THEORY)
I WILL PICK EXPERIENCE , ITS A NO-BRAINER.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 01:01 pm |
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VoiceReason wrote: ftsb08 wrote:
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ftsb08 wrote: Unbelievable, your ignorance on the subject...let's break it down for the simple ones:
a man gets a job for 80000.
man can't do job. Wrong. He did the job just fine, but took the AP job to help the district save money.
man gets moved down to lower job worth 60000 a year
man doesn't do first job anymore
man still gets the 80000.
new man gets hired for first job. Wrong. He's doing both jobs to save the district money. No one is being hired for his job. He'll take it back over when and if there is more money in the budget and they can hire an AP.
now, how again is this saving money according to your intellect? nevermind....falling on deaf ears. Read the above words, maybe twice so you get it this time.
second....you really read into my argument that I think they should fire all the secretaries, etc? you really must go back to school and brush up on main ideas and supporting sentences. There weren't any. Perhaps you should go and edit your piece and put some in. Let me know if you need help. Your arguments lack substance and you really should be embarrassed.
third, you are ignorant to insinuate that our educational choices are either experienced teachers or toilet paper. You really don't have a good handle on things, do you. Might I suggest you do a little research. This past year all of the administrators held back 10% of their discretionary funds to help offset the low budget this year. Discretionary funds buy toilet paper and cleaning materials and such. So you see it really does come down to that. This is a very cut and dry debate. To refuse a job to a teacher that has dedicated her life to the profession is very insulting to all in the field. If you were, indeed, a teacher you would get that. This has nothing to do with toilet paper, field trips, and such. If you think the money saved by putting an inexperienced teacher in your child's room will actually go to your child, you are the one in need of psychiatric evaluation, my friend.
keep telling yourself you are the voice of reason...one day someone may believe it I already do. Thank you very much. Good day.
right now you are the voice of ingorance
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VoiceReason wrote: ftsb08 wrote: and how fair is it for a director to be moved down to an assistant principal and still keep the director pay? This move is saving the district about $60,000 dollars because they won't be hiring another AP. So you see, even the county office people are taking on extra duties to save money. Sounds to me like he's going to be doing the job of two people for one pay check. Seems good ole boy system to me. not too hard to check that fact....from county office to osceola. middle school....figure it out. Are you suggesting he's getting a favor or some sort because he's a good old boy--what kind of favor is doing two jobs for one pay? there are plenty of ways to come up with funding if one so chooses.
how much raise did your friend, dr. cooper get? Face it....if the objective was to best benefit the children, then the two teachers in question would have been hired period. So, you're saying it is best for the students to pay a teacher a huge salary when you can find a teacher just as good for much cheaper than it is to spend the money on the students. It sounds like your priorities are to the teacher and not the kids. If the objective is to best benefit the children, then save money on the teachers and spend it on the kids, exclamation point!! No the point is education comes from experience, most of the new teachers dont have the experience the old ones have .It wont save money but it will benefit the kids nore, whats more important saving a few dollars or the kids getting a good education, and if your calling 30 to 40 thousand a year a huge salary you really have issues, in some counties in FLA that is considered poverty level, and this principal has a good point cut the staff that is not needed, that has no creditals for keeping the one that do, you can find a person to answer the phone for 6.oo an hour not 8 to 10
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ftsb08 wrote: Yes, i would gladly give a portion of my salary for experienced teachers. Thats great I whole heartedly disagree with your views.
I do not think that all new teachers are not good teachers. Not saying they are bad they just dont have experience that the elders have , I am saying that there were 2 and only 2 retired teachers who wished to return to the classroom what about new applicates from different places with more than 10 years experience, No more, no less. The fact that there was not funding is heinous and quite frankly, insulting.
While you whirl your perfected comments blowing sunshine up cooper's tail, i caution all teachers out there....if you have contemplated retiring with the idea that you may someday return, DON'T. THis is the point... there will NOT be a job for you. To start with I make my own decissions from what I see in the schools, could care less about coopers ideas, I have nothing to do with the system other than being a parent..
and by the way....the teacher in question, while experienced, is also quite in tune with today's technology and new teaching tools. She attends many seminars and workshops most of with her own money since the school system can't afford to send her. I would put her up against a new teacher any day....wait a minute....that's right....the principal used her to aid the new teachers and mentor them.
i didn't see your response to the sub who "taught" the kindergarten class. Would you have your child in that class? perhaps the money saved there would have paid the difference to hire the retired teachers. Or how about the salary to the person hired to go around and make sure all the lights were out at all the schools? Or the secretary to the guidance counselors at elementary schools?I agree Do you know how many secretaries are in each school? Have you ever seen the amount of copying done at the schools...? also agreed wasted copying? reducing the amount of paper bought for one school by half would pay the difference as well. So, yes, I have plenty of ideas.
But here is the best one. It's the one that hits closest to home. Like many times in the past, when the school board would like to get rid a someone in the system, they throw up red tape and come up with new budget cuts that disallow the continuance or rehire of said person. I fully expect you to jump to the aid of the board as the yes man you are, but I just hope that a few are enlightened to what the system will stoop to get what they want.
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