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Joe Shuey
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 Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 09:11 pm
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Our biggest problem with oil use is that we haven't changed the way we use fuel since we first started driving cars. You can say that the automobile and sound recordings came about around the same time in history. Up until 20 years ago, we played records, just like Thomas Edison played. Then we finally went digital, and changed the way we listen to music. You can hold a person's complete record collection in one hand now.

With cars, we are still using the same internal combustion engine and gasoline just like the Model T's. Most of the energy of gasoline is wasted as heat, and only about 20% of the energy from an engine actually moves the car.

We are changing the way we do things. Instead of measuring a light bulb's light output in "watts," we now use "lumens." (Watts is a measure of heat, not light.) We are switching to compact fluorescent bulbs, and getting 100 watts worth of light with 1/4 of the energy.

We will be able to get more energy out of a gallon of fuel, it's just a matter of when. And the change is long overdue. We're still "analog" in the digital age when it comes to cars.


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 Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 05:02 pm
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I have also seen that there are some algaes and other nonfood plants that fuel can be made from. The by product from this algae can be used to feed live stock, and the growing of the algae reduces CO2 in the atmosphere. There is a place here in Florida researching it.

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 Posted: Wed Jul 23rd, 2008 01:32 am
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cheryl birgholtz wrote: I recently was watching a program on CNN or The History Channel or some where and it was on alternative fuel and the use of Sugar Cane.  In Brazil they have a mill which not only makes and produces sugar but also makes and produces alternative fuel.  This particular mill in which was broadcast can fuel 11,000 cars per day.  Now I don't know about anyone else, but in this days economy, price of fuel, and the fact that we just sold thousands of acres of sugar cane fields to the Everglades for their project, I think we should check into this projuect of alternative fuel and the vehicles it takes use this fuel and see if maybe some of the deficit in this country could be mended.  Obviously, it won't get us completely out of the hole but it sure would help.  The story went on to say that they also have an auto manufacturoing plant in Brazil that makes the cars that can run either on regular fuel or alternative fuel.  If someone can find this out on the internet, it might be a good idea to check into.  We all know that Florida produces a lot of sugar in this U.S.
Making fuel out of sugarcane would not be any different than corn,just as corn is in everything and the price of corn and corn products/byproducts skyrocketed , sugar is in everything  we need to get away from food based fuel it wont work for us.

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 Posted: Tue Jul 22nd, 2008 11:44 pm
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I recently was watching a program on CNN or The History Channel or some where and it was on alternative fuel and the use of Sugar Cane.  In Brazil they have a mill which not only makes and produces sugar but also makes and produces alternative fuel.  This particular mill in which was broadcast can fuel 11,000 cars per day.  Now I don't know about anyone else, but in this days economy, price of fuel, and the fact that we just sold thousands of acres of sugar cane fields to the Everglades for their project, I think we should check into this projuect of alternative fuel and the vehicles it takes use this fuel and see if maybe some of the deficit in this country could be mended.  Obviously, it won't get us completely out of the hole but it sure would help.  The story went on to say that they also have an auto manufacturoing plant in Brazil that makes the cars that can run either on regular fuel or alternative fuel.  If someone can find this out on the internet, it might be a good idea to check into.  We all know that Florida produces a lot of sugar in this U.S.


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