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Posted: Wed Jul 15th, 2009 12:19 am

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I bet the natives wished you and your clan had never found this place either. Really, you know someone important? Lets be real

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Posted: Wed Jul 15th, 2009 12:15 am

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no problem

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Posted: Wed Jul 15th, 2009 12:15 am

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This has all gotten off the original subject of the mission trip that was botched by the youth leader. Guess he is still laughing about it all the way to the bank.

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Posted: Wed Jul 15th, 2009 12:14 am

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Do you honestly think that going to church is a ticket to heaven? If you stand in a garage are you going to turn into an automobile? There is only one way to get into heaven brother.

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PRCA321 wrote: Working out great, but I have a question for you, are you that bad of a chritian that you have to post it or just an "honest christian" or both? I dont see where i was quoting scripture all over the place, did I even quote scripture?Sorry. My mistake. The scripture quoting was Gonzo's reply to you in "church donations"

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Working out great, but I have a question for you, are you that bad of a chritian that you have to post it or just an "honest christian" or both? I dont see where i was quoting scripture all over the place, did I even quote scripture?

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I'd rather spend an hour in church with some hypocrites ,than burn in Hell for eternity

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PRCA321 wrote: The world is full of bad people doing good for others, in the end times you will be decieved, this is why you must pray at all times never ceasing. Be in the spirit and Gods will and you will KNOW good from evil. You people are why I quit going to church, "Christians can be the MOST HURTFULL people on the planet.Huh? You are quoting scriptures all over the place but you quit attending church because of us bad Christians? How's that working for you?

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The world is full of bad people doing good for others, in the end times you will be decieved, this is why you must pray at all times never ceasing. Be in the spirit and Gods will and you will KNOW good from evil. You people are why I quit going to church, "Christians can be the MOST HURTFULL people on the planet.

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TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: I believe that I have obeyed the rules of this forum. I believe that I have as much right as any of you to express my opinion. I am positive that I don't care whether you agree with it or not. I am an active member of this community. I call on the sick and help the less fortunate. Those qualities are not unique to pastors. If any of you want to blindly follow those men you do have free will to do so. From where I sit it seems their only achievement has been to line their own pockets forcing the committee on finance to make phone calls and write letters to generous donors asking for even larger donations. Not to mention the cake sale! I hope that worked for you.

Talk about an over generalization. For one, I think, though you don't know much about me at all, you should know well enough to perceive that I'm not really one to "blindly follow" anyone. I live my life as a free thinker, not as someone who has delegated themselves to be delegated, and I beg you take back that statement. Secondly, to be blunt, you're an ass. Just a few posts ago you talked about your "fully stocked" (food for the hungry?), "fueled" (money for the poor?) Prevost (and that isn't cheap either) and how I should watch where your donation money went as you drive by; and now you have the gall to stand here and publicly profess that you are one to "call on the sick" and "help the less fortunate," a little soap box hero in your own mind. Next time you intend to bolster your argument of your own personal sainthood, make sure you didn't previously talk about waving as you drive by the church, gloating your own cynical possessions which you have--oh, what was the phrase?--lined your pockets with.

You want to throw stones? Then move out of that glass house of yours, mack.

Your move. . . .
Before you fall off that high horse of yours...because I enjoy (and believe me I do enjoy) moderate wealth doesn't mean I don't give of my time and money. I just choose not to throw it down a black hole to support a church or its pastors who don't practice the good stewardship they expect of their congregation.

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Posted: Sat Jul 11th, 2009 11:41 am

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Have a nice day everyone!

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I guess you're a "law abiding" Old Testament person!

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Sumocat wrote: I believe that I have obeyed the rules of this forum. I believe that I have as much right as any of you to express my opinion. I am positive that I don't care whether you agree with it or not. I am an active member of this community. I call on the sick and help the less fortunate. Those qualities are not unique to pastors. If any of you want to blindly follow those men you do have free will to do so. From where I sit it seems their only achievement has been to line their own pockets forcing the committee on finance to make phone calls and write letters to generous donors asking for even larger donations. Not to mention the cake sale! I hope that worked for you.

Talk about an over generalization. For one, I think, though you don't know much about me at all, you should know well enough to perceive that I'm not really one to "blindly follow" anyone. I live my life as a free thinker, not as someone who has delegated themselves to be delegated, and I beg you take back that statement. Secondly, to be blunt, you're an ass. Just a few posts ago you talked about your "fully stocked" (food for the hungry?), "fueled" (money for the poor?) Prevost (and that isn't cheap either) and how I should watch where your donation money went as you drive by; and now you have the gall to stand here and publicly profess that you are one to "call on the sick" and "help the less fortunate," a little soap box hero in your own mind. Next time you intend to bolster your argument of your own personal sainthood, make sure you didn't previously talk about waving as you drive by the church, gloating your own cynical possessions which you have--oh, what was the phrase?--lined your pockets with.

You want to throw stones? Then move out of that glass house of yours, mack.

Your move. . . .

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Posted: Wed Jul 8th, 2009 12:27 am

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Sumocat wrote: Mitch3 wrote: Sumocat wrote: I believe that I have obeyed the rules of this forum. I believe that I have as much right as any of you to express my opinion. I am positive that I don't care whether you agree with it or not. I am an active member of this community. I call on the sick and help the less fortunate. Those qualities are not unique to pastors. If any of you want to blindly follow those men you do have free will to do so. From where I sit it seems their only achievement has been to line their own pockets forcing the committee on finance to make phone calls and write letters to generous donors asking for even larger donations. Not to mention the cake sale! I hope that worked for you.

you certainly have a right to your opinion, thats what this forum is all about.

I personally am concerned with your statement of "From where I sit it seems their only achievement has been to line their own pockets "......what exactly do you mean by that? Normally when one makes a statement such as this they are accusing someone of stealing money for there own personal gain. Could you clarify if this is what you mean.
Whooooaaaa! I didn't say anything about theft. More like taking advantage.

My apologies. How exactly is the church taking advantage of people? I'm sorry, I just don't get what your trying to say. If you could use some examples of why you feel this way maybe I would understand better.

You do realize there is a finance committee who has to approve when funds are spent?

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Posted: Wed Jul 8th, 2009 12:19 am

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Mitch3 wrote: Sumocat wrote: I believe that I have obeyed the rules of this forum. I believe that I have as much right as any of you to express my opinion. I am positive that I don't care whether you agree with it or not. I am an active member of this community. I call on the sick and help the less fortunate. Those qualities are not unique to pastors. If any of you want to blindly follow those men you do have free will to do so. From where I sit it seems their only achievement has been to line their own pockets forcing the committee on finance to make phone calls and write letters to generous donors asking for even larger donations. Not to mention the cake sale! I hope that worked for you.

you certainly have a right to your opinion, thats what this forum is all about.

I personally am concerned with your statement of "From where I sit it seems their only achievement has been to line their own pockets "......what exactly do you mean by that? Normally when one makes a statement such as this they are accusing someone of stealing money for there own personal gain. Could you clarify if this is what you mean.
Whooooaaaa! I didn't say anything about theft. More like taking advantage.

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butterfliesButterfliesAMEN wrote: The Bible says, does it not, that if you have a problem with a brother (or sister) that you discretely take it to them in person? Have the courage to voice your "concerns" to a person directly instead of hiding behind anonymity and gossip.
I think it also says that if you have a problem with your brother, kill him!

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I believe that I have obeyed the rules of this forum. I believe that I have as much right as any of you to express my opinion. I am positive that I don't care whether you agree with it or not. I am an active member of this community. I call on the sick and help the less fortunate. Those qualities are not unique to pastors. If any of you want to blindly follow those men you do have free will to do so. From where I sit it seems their only achievement has been to line their own pockets forcing the committee on finance to make phone calls and write letters to generous donors asking for even larger donations. Not to mention the cake sale! I hope that worked for you.

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The Bible says, does it not, that if you have a problem with a brother (or sister) that you discretely take it to them in person? Have the courage to voice your "concerns" to a person directly instead of hiding behind anonymity and gossip.

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Mitch3 wrote: Sumocat wrote: jubrahman wrote: pops wrote: Funny, we have a thread about terrorists, and end up with a bunch of hijackers.my bad...
Take a look at Waterfalls' thread "Church donations". Have you received your letter/phone call yet? If those two pastors are doing such a great service to their church would this even be necessary?

Are you saying that this was from the First United Methodist Church?

I kinda don't understand why you are so angry. I mean, obviously you don't like the church. From your posts you said you knew you would not like it after attending a youth meeting..........but yet your other posts indicate that you attended the church, at least for a little bit.

I know that some were frustrated with Rev. Bruce's time out due to an illness. But, in fairness, he had no control over it at all. Rev. Bruce day in and day out visits those that are ill. He visits in the hospital, nursing homes and at members homes. Were the church members suppose to turn there back on him, when he needed support and was ill? I just don't see how members could turn there back on a minister who through no fault of his own had to deal with an illness , yes it was long term but Rev. Bruce certainly does not turn his back on any church member who is dealing with an issue that might be longer than anyone would like.

My interaction has been mostly with the youth group, and with the church secretary, who will do ANYTHING to help anyone.

Possible you are one of the members who was upset, I don't know. I don't know Rev. Bruce well, but he has always been kind to our family and was always there with kind words and support if we needed it.

I just think if you are so unhappy, that you could go to the board members of the church and speak with them. I am sure there is a process where you could voice your concerns at the church, and to higher ups outside of the church also.

Seconded.

Sumocat, it's really tiresome to hear you bash simply for the sake of bashing. If you actually had something to say, something intelligible and of firm ground, then maybe people would listen; but, as it stands, all you seem to do is rape, pillage and plunder any decent argument like a blind Viking, swinging your blunt ax at the nearest place of assumed importance, not knowing you're chopping at your own feet. These people you seem to insist are such vile people are anything but. I know them both not as clerical leaders, but as people, and I assure you that they're working their hardest day in and day out to improve the lives of those in both our community and others, erstwhile dealing with their own issues. To point them out as follies of the church is not only fallacious, it's insulting. But I'll tell you right now that you are certainly no saint and certainly no threat, so if you have a gambit, toss it, because I'm always ready.

Dice.

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Sumocat wrote: jubrahman wrote: pops wrote: Funny, we have a thread about terrorists, and end up with a bunch of hijackers.my bad...
Take a look at Waterfalls' thread "Church donations". Have you received your letter/phone call yet? If those two pastors are doing such a great service to their church would this even be necessary?

Are you saying that this was from the First United Methodist Church?

I kinda don't understand why you are so angry. I mean, obviously you don't like the church. From your posts you said you knew you would not like it after attending a youth meeting..........but yet your other posts indicate that you attended the church, at least for a little bit.

I know that some were frustrated with Rev. Bruce's time out due to an illness. But, in fairness, he had no control over it at all. Rev. Bruce day in and day out visits those that are ill. He visits in the hospital, nursing homes and at members homes. Were the church members suppose to turn there back on him, when he needed support and was ill? I just don't see how members could turn there back on a minister who through no fault of his own had to deal with an illness , yes it was long term but Rev. Bruce certainly does not turn his back on any church member who is dealing with an issue that might be longer than anyone would like.

My interaction has been mostly with the youth group, and with the church secretary, who will do ANYTHING to help anyone.

Possible you are one of the members who was upset, I don't know. I don't know Rev. Bruce well, but he has always been kind to our family and was always there with kind words and support if we needed it.

I just think if you are so unhappy, that you could go to the board members of the church and speak with them. I am sure there is a process where you could voice your concerns at the church, and to higher ups outside of the church also.

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Sorry. I meant to reply to Butterflies

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jubrahman wrote: pops wrote: Funny, we have a thread about terrorists, and end up with a bunch of hijackers.my bad...
Take a look at Waterfalls' thread "Church donations". Have you received your letter/phone call yet? If those two pastors are doing such a great service to their church would this even be necessary?

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I'm fairly new to Okeechobee. I did a little research. This youth pastor volunteers a lot for the community. Habitat, Salvation Army, is the chaplain at the Eckerd Youth Detention Center and is there every week. He has helped hold the whole church together for the past two years. The congregation is very much behind the whole staff. As a church family SHOULD, they not only "chose" to see the senior pastor through his illness, but petitioned the bishop to not put him anywhere else. He led from his hospital bed and done more than he should at times. Pastors are people, too. It's hard when you have that responsibility. Anyway, the church IS a family and you don't boot out the father or mother when they are ill or when they make an error in judgement. We are not talking about a CEO of a "business": a church is about spreading the Gospel. We are IN the world but not OF it. What Jesus taught doesn't make sense to the world. CEOs make boocoos of money, make all kinds of mistakes that cost all of us more money than I want to think about, then get a really good "exit" package! Why think about canning people like pastors that are doing a wealth of good in their personal and their professional walk?

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pops wrote: Funny, we have a thread about terrorists, and end up with a bunch of hijackers.my bad...

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Funny, we have a thread about terrorists, and end up with a bunch of hijackers.

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TheGonzoJournalist wrote: jubrahman wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: jubrahman wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: jubrahman wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: Anyway, the Provost was delivered today. It's full of fuel and well stocked. I'll drive it past the church tomorrow so you can see where future donations went.
Tata to you as well.

^{I got a good giggle out of that one. "Anyway, the Provost was delivered today." Oh boy, am I jealous. If it would have been a Prevost, then we'd be talking about the motor coach company dealing in the sales of coaches and recreational vehicles, but you, being the smart person that you are, must be talking about the provost, like you said--which, might I add, is NOT an RV--that arrived. You have to love zooming down those countries lanes on the "well stocked" head of a collegiate church, "full of fuel" and ready to burn with that college administrator.

If you still don't get why this is funny, look up provost; if you don't get it then, ask an eight-year-old how to use a computer; and if you still don't get it even then, stop by my house and I'll explain to the Catholic clergymen you've been riding on, who you have "fully stocked," where future donations went. I sense a touch of irony in your statement. Just a touch.

I prefer a cardinal anyway, it gets better gas mileage.

Later, muchachos y muchachas.}

You got me. I misspelled Prevost and oh, what a sweet ride it is!

Choose carefully where you place your allegiance. Not everyone will have your best interests at heart. Many will be self-serving.

Yes, it seems I'm looking at one of them right now.
Now that I've made a maiden voyage on my "well stocked head of a collegiate church", I am off to NC.
Gonzo, If you are a student, I hope you continue your education and find a way to use your writing ability. You have a talent for it.

I am a student in college, and an English major at that. It's a deadly combination: someone with a large lexicon and a proportionately large amount of free time.

That is all.
did you graduate in from hs in 08?

Yes. Et tu?
si. ks (initials)?

K.L.S.
It appears my secret identity is anything but. What of your initials then?
RE, i only knew it was you, because of how you spoke... not that many kids our age with vocabulary that you possess.

Oh, now I know who this is. Hello!
hey buddy

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jubrahman wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: jubrahman wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: jubrahman wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: Anyway, the Provost was delivered today. It's full of fuel and well stocked. I'll drive it past the church tomorrow so you can see where future donations went.
Tata to you as well.

^{I got a good giggle out of that one. "Anyway, the Provost was delivered today." Oh boy, am I jealous. If it would have been a Prevost, then we'd be talking about the motor coach company dealing in the sales of coaches and recreational vehicles, but you, being the smart person that you are, must be talking about the provost, like you said--which, might I add, is NOT an RV--that arrived. You have to love zooming down those countries lanes on the "well stocked" head of a collegiate church, "full of fuel" and ready to burn with that college administrator.

If you still don't get why this is funny, look up provost; if you don't get it then, ask an eight-year-old how to use a computer; and if you still don't get it even then, stop by my house and I'll explain to the Catholic clergymen you've been riding on, who you have "fully stocked," where future donations went. I sense a touch of irony in your statement. Just a touch.

I prefer a cardinal anyway, it gets better gas mileage.

Later, muchachos y muchachas.}

You got me. I misspelled Prevost and oh, what a sweet ride it is!

Choose carefully where you place your allegiance. Not everyone will have your best interests at heart. Many will be self-serving.

Yes, it seems I'm looking at one of them right now.
Now that I've made a maiden voyage on my "well stocked head of a collegiate church", I am off to NC.
Gonzo, If you are a student, I hope you continue your education and find a way to use your writing ability. You have a talent for it.

I am a student in college, and an English major at that. It's a deadly combination: someone with a large lexicon and a proportionately large amount of free time.

That is all.
did you graduate in from hs in 08?

Yes. Et tu?
si. ks (initials)?

K.L.S.
It appears my secret identity is anything but. What of your initials then?
RE, i only knew it was you, because of how you spoke... not that many kids our age with vocabulary that you possess.

Oh, now I know who this is. Hello!

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TheGonzoJournalist wrote: jubrahman wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: jubrahman wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: Anyway, the Provost was delivered today. It's full of fuel and well stocked. I'll drive it past the church tomorrow so you can see where future donations went.
Tata to you as well.

^{I got a good giggle out of that one. "Anyway, the Provost was delivered today." Oh boy, am I jealous. If it would have been a Prevost, then we'd be talking about the motor coach company dealing in the sales of coaches and recreational vehicles, but you, being the smart person that you are, must be talking about the provost, like you said--which, might I add, is NOT an RV--that arrived. You have to love zooming down those countries lanes on the "well stocked" head of a collegiate church, "full of fuel" and ready to burn with that college administrator.

If you still don't get why this is funny, look up provost; if you don't get it then, ask an eight-year-old how to use a computer; and if you still don't get it even then, stop by my house and I'll explain to the Catholic clergymen you've been riding on, who you have "fully stocked," where future donations went. I sense a touch of irony in your statement. Just a touch.

I prefer a cardinal anyway, it gets better gas mileage.

Later, muchachos y muchachas.}

You got me. I misspelled Prevost and oh, what a sweet ride it is!

Choose carefully where you place your allegiance. Not everyone will have your best interests at heart. Many will be self-serving.

Yes, it seems I'm looking at one of them right now.
Now that I've made a maiden voyage on my "well stocked head of a collegiate church", I am off to NC.
Gonzo, If you are a student, I hope you continue your education and find a way to use your writing ability. You have a talent for it.

I am a student in college, and an English major at that. It's a deadly combination: someone with a large lexicon and a proportionately large amount of free time.

That is all.
did you graduate in from hs in 08?

Yes. Et tu?
si. ks (initials)?

K.L.S.
It appears my secret identity is anything but. What of your initials then?
RE, i only knew it was you, because of how you spoke... not that many kids our age with vocabulary that you possess.

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jubrahman wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: jubrahman wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: Anyway, the Provost was delivered today. It's full of fuel and well stocked. I'll drive it past the church tomorrow so you can see where future donations went.
Tata to you as well.

^{I got a good giggle out of that one. "Anyway, the Provost was delivered today." Oh boy, am I jealous. If it would have been a Prevost, then we'd be talking about the motor coach company dealing in the sales of coaches and recreational vehicles, but you, being the smart person that you are, must be talking about the provost, like you said--which, might I add, is NOT an RV--that arrived. You have to love zooming down those countries lanes on the "well stocked" head of a collegiate church, "full of fuel" and ready to burn with that college administrator.

If you still don't get why this is funny, look up provost; if you don't get it then, ask an eight-year-old how to use a computer; and if you still don't get it even then, stop by my house and I'll explain to the Catholic clergymen you've been riding on, who you have "fully stocked," where future donations went. I sense a touch of irony in your statement. Just a touch.

I prefer a cardinal anyway, it gets better gas mileage.

Later, muchachos y muchachas.}

You got me. I misspelled Prevost and oh, what a sweet ride it is!

Choose carefully where you place your allegiance. Not everyone will have your best interests at heart. Many will be self-serving.

Yes, it seems I'm looking at one of them right now.
Now that I've made a maiden voyage on my "well stocked head of a collegiate church", I am off to NC.
Gonzo, If you are a student, I hope you continue your education and find a way to use your writing ability. You have a talent for it.

I am a student in college, and an English major at that. It's a deadly combination: someone with a large lexicon and a proportionately large amount of free time.

That is all.
did you graduate in from hs in 08?

Yes. Et tu?
si. ks (initials)?

K.L.S.
It appears my secret identity is anything but. What of your initials then?

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TheGonzoJournalist wrote: jubrahman wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: Anyway, the Provost was delivered today. It's full of fuel and well stocked. I'll drive it past the church tomorrow so you can see where future donations went.
Tata to you as well.

^{I got a good giggle out of that one. "Anyway, the Provost was delivered today." Oh boy, am I jealous. If it would have been a Prevost, then we'd be talking about the motor coach company dealing in the sales of coaches and recreational vehicles, but you, being the smart person that you are, must be talking about the provost, like you said--which, might I add, is NOT an RV--that arrived. You have to love zooming down those countries lanes on the "well stocked" head of a collegiate church, "full of fuel" and ready to burn with that college administrator.

If you still don't get why this is funny, look up provost; if you don't get it then, ask an eight-year-old how to use a computer; and if you still don't get it even then, stop by my house and I'll explain to the Catholic clergymen you've been riding on, who you have "fully stocked," where future donations went. I sense a touch of irony in your statement. Just a touch.

I prefer a cardinal anyway, it gets better gas mileage.

Later, muchachos y muchachas.}

You got me. I misspelled Prevost and oh, what a sweet ride it is!

Choose carefully where you place your allegiance. Not everyone will have your best interests at heart. Many will be self-serving.

Yes, it seems I'm looking at one of them right now.
Now that I've made a maiden voyage on my "well stocked head of a collegiate church", I am off to NC.
Gonzo, If you are a student, I hope you continue your education and find a way to use your writing ability. You have a talent for it.

I am a student in college, and an English major at that. It's a deadly combination: someone with a large lexicon and a proportionately large amount of free time.

That is all.
did you graduate in from hs in 08?

Yes. Et tu?
si. ks (initials)?

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jubrahman wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: Anyway, the Provost was delivered today. It's full of fuel and well stocked. I'll drive it past the church tomorrow so you can see where future donations went.
Tata to you as well.

^{I got a good giggle out of that one. "Anyway, the Provost was delivered today." Oh boy, am I jealous. If it would have been a Prevost, then we'd be talking about the motor coach company dealing in the sales of coaches and recreational vehicles, but you, being the smart person that you are, must be talking about the provost, like you said--which, might I add, is NOT an RV--that arrived. You have to love zooming down those countries lanes on the "well stocked" head of a collegiate church, "full of fuel" and ready to burn with that college administrator.

If you still don't get why this is funny, look up provost; if you don't get it then, ask an eight-year-old how to use a computer; and if you still don't get it even then, stop by my house and I'll explain to the Catholic clergymen you've been riding on, who you have "fully stocked," where future donations went. I sense a touch of irony in your statement. Just a touch.

I prefer a cardinal anyway, it gets better gas mileage.

Later, muchachos y muchachas.}

You got me. I misspelled Prevost and oh, what a sweet ride it is!

Choose carefully where you place your allegiance. Not everyone will have your best interests at heart. Many will be self-serving.

Yes, it seems I'm looking at one of them right now.
Now that I've made a maiden voyage on my "well stocked head of a collegiate church", I am off to NC.
Gonzo, If you are a student, I hope you continue your education and find a way to use your writing ability. You have a talent for it.

I am a student in college, and an English major at that. It's a deadly combination: someone with a large lexicon and a proportionately large amount of free time.

That is all.
did you graduate in from hs in 08?

Yes. Et tu?

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TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: Anyway, the Provost was delivered today. It's full of fuel and well stocked. I'll drive it past the church tomorrow so you can see where future donations went.
Tata to you as well.

^{I got a good giggle out of that one. "Anyway, the Provost was delivered today." Oh boy, am I jealous. If it would have been a Prevost, then we'd be talking about the motor coach company dealing in the sales of coaches and recreational vehicles, but you, being the smart person that you are, must be talking about the provost, like you said--which, might I add, is NOT an RV--that arrived. You have to love zooming down those countries lanes on the "well stocked" head of a collegiate church, "full of fuel" and ready to burn with that college administrator.

If you still don't get why this is funny, look up provost; if you don't get it then, ask an eight-year-old how to use a computer; and if you still don't get it even then, stop by my house and I'll explain to the Catholic clergymen you've been riding on, who you have "fully stocked," where future donations went. I sense a touch of irony in your statement. Just a touch.

I prefer a cardinal anyway, it gets better gas mileage.

Later, muchachos y muchachas.}

You got me. I misspelled Prevost and oh, what a sweet ride it is!

Choose carefully where you place your allegiance. Not everyone will have your best interests at heart. Many will be self-serving.

Yes, it seems I'm looking at one of them right now.
Now that I've made a maiden voyage on my "well stocked head of a collegiate church", I am off to NC.
Gonzo, If you are a student, I hope you continue your education and find a way to use your writing ability. You have a talent for it.

I am a student in college, and an English major at that. It's a deadly combination: someone with a large lexicon and a proportionately large amount of free time.

That is all.
did you graduate in from hs in 08?

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Sumocat wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: Anyway, the Provost was delivered today. It's full of fuel and well stocked. I'll drive it past the church tomorrow so you can see where future donations went.
Tata to you as well.

^{I got a good giggle out of that one. "Anyway, the Provost was delivered today." Oh boy, am I jealous. If it would have been a Prevost, then we'd be talking about the motor coach company dealing in the sales of coaches and recreational vehicles, but you, being the smart person that you are, must be talking about the provost, like you said--which, might I add, is NOT an RV--that arrived. You have to love zooming down those countries lanes on the "well stocked" head of a collegiate church, "full of fuel" and ready to burn with that college administrator.

If you still don't get why this is funny, look up provost; if you don't get it then, ask an eight-year-old how to use a computer; and if you still don't get it even then, stop by my house and I'll explain to the Catholic clergymen you've been riding on, who you have "fully stocked," where future donations went. I sense a touch of irony in your statement. Just a touch.

I prefer a cardinal anyway, it gets better gas mileage.

Later, muchachos y muchachas.}

You got me. I misspelled Prevost and oh, what a sweet ride it is!

Choose carefully where you place your allegiance. Not everyone will have your best interests at heart. Many will be self-serving.

Yes, it seems I'm looking at one of them right now.
Now that I've made a maiden voyage on my "well stocked head of a collegiate church", I am off to NC.
Gonzo, If you are a student, I hope you continue your education and find a way to use your writing ability. You have a talent for it.

I am a student in college, and an English major at that. It's a deadly combination: someone with a large lexicon and a proportionately large amount of free time.

That is all.

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TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: Anyway, the Provost was delivered today. It's full of fuel and well stocked. I'll drive it past the church tomorrow so you can see where future donations went.
Tata to you as well.

^{I got a good giggle out of that one. "Anyway, the Provost was delivered today." Oh boy, am I jealous. If it would have been a Prevost, then we'd be talking about the motor coach company dealing in the sales of coaches and recreational vehicles, but you, being the smart person that you are, must be talking about the provost, like you said--which, might I add, is NOT an RV--that arrived. You have to love zooming down those countries lanes on the "well stocked" head of a collegiate church, "full of fuel" and ready to burn with that college administrator.

If you still don't get why this is funny, look up provost; if you don't get it then, ask an eight-year-old how to use a computer; and if you still don't get it even then, stop by my house and I'll explain to the Catholic clergymen you've been riding on, who you have "fully stocked," where future donations went. I sense a touch of irony in your statement. Just a touch.

I prefer a cardinal anyway, it gets better gas mileage.

Later, muchachos y muchachas.}

You got me. I misspelled Prevost and oh, what a sweet ride it is!

Choose carefully where you place your allegiance. Not everyone will have your best interests at heart. Many will be self-serving.

Yes, it seems I'm looking at one of them right now.
Now that I've made a maiden voyage on my "well stocked head of a collegiate church", I am off to NC.
Gonzo, If you are a student, I hope you continue your education and find a way to use your writing ability. You have a talent for it.

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Sumocat wrote: TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: Anyway, the Provost was delivered today. It's full of fuel and well stocked. I'll drive it past the church tomorrow so you can see where future donations went.
Tata to you as well.

^{I got a good giggle out of that one. "Anyway, the Provost was delivered today." Oh boy, am I jealous. If it would have been a Prevost, then we'd be talking about the motor coach company dealing in the sales of coaches and recreational vehicles, but you, being the smart person that you are, must be talking about the provost, like you said--which, might I add, is NOT an RV--that arrived. You have to love zooming down those countries lanes on the "well stocked" head of a collegiate church, "full of fuel" and ready to burn with that college administrator.

If you still don't get why this is funny, look up provost; if you don't get it then, ask an eight-year-old how to use a computer; and if you still don't get it even then, stop by my house and I'll explain to the Catholic clergymen you've been riding on, who you have "fully stocked," where future donations went. I sense a touch of irony in your statement. Just a touch.

I prefer a cardinal anyway, it gets better gas mileage.

Later, muchachos y muchachas.}

You got me. I misspelled Prevost and oh, what a sweet ride it is!

Choose carefully where you place your allegiance. Not everyone will have your best interests at heart. Many will be self-serving.

Yes, it seems I'm looking at one of them right now.

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TheGonzoJournalist wrote: Sumocat wrote: Anyway, the Provost was delivered today. It's full of fuel and well stocked. I'll drive it past the church tomorrow so you can see where future donations went.
Tata to you as well.

^{I got a good giggle out of that one. "Anyway, the Provost was delivered today." Oh boy, am I jealous. If it would have been a Prevost, then we'd be talking about the motor coach company dealing in the sales of coaches and recreational vehicles, but you, being the smart person that you are, must be talking about the provost, like you said--which, might I add, is NOT an RV--that arrived. You have to love zooming down those countries lanes on the "well stocked" head of a collegiate church, "full of fuel" and ready to burn with that college administrator.

If you still don't get why this is funny, look up provost; if you don't get it then, ask an eight-year-old how to use a computer; and if you still don't get it even then, stop by my house and I'll explain to the Catholic clergymen you've been riding on, who you have "fully stocked," where future donations went. I sense a touch of irony in your statement. Just a touch.

I prefer a cardinal anyway, it gets better gas mileage.

Later, muchachos y muchachas.}

You got me. I misspelled Prevost and oh, what a sweet ride it is!

Choose carefully where you place your allegiance. Not everyone will have your best interests at heart. Many will be self-serving.

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http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/jul/03/teens-okeechobee-church-deported-england-after-run/

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Sumocat wrote: Anyway, the Provost was delivered today. It's full of fuel and well stocked. I'll drive it past the church tomorrow so you can see where future donations went.
Tata to you as well.

^{I got a good giggle out of that one. "Anyway, the Provost was delivered today." Oh boy, am I jealous. If it would have been a Prevost, then we'd be talking about the motor coach company dealing in the sales of coaches and recreational vehicles, but you, being the smart person that you are, must be talking about the provost, like you said--which, might I add, is NOT an RV--that arrived. You have to love zooming down those countries lanes on the "well stocked" head of a collegiate church, "full of fuel" and ready to burn with that college administrator.

If you still don't get why this is funny, look up provost; if you don't get it then, ask an eight-year-old how to use a computer; and if you still don't get it even then, stop by my house and I'll explain to the Catholic clergymen you've been riding on, who you have "fully stocked," where future donations went. I sense a touch of irony in your statement. Just a touch.

I prefer a cardinal anyway, it gets better gas mileage.

Later, muchachos y muchachas.}

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Mitch3 wrote: http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/workingintheuk/tier5/religiousworkers/

I'm well aware of the trips the youth groups have taken

I think I just wanted to point out that rules change all the time, one must check and re-check when traveling out of the country. The link above and all other information I have found took very little to look up.

Is this a bash towards the situation? No, I was just wanting to provide information to this thread so that others who are reading might avoid this problem in the future if they happen to travel or have there kids travel for school or church activities in the future.

The youth group at the church is a wonderful program and does ALLOT for the kids of the community! This too shall pass and will be a learning lesson for future trips.

My sister has taken three trips to London. Each time she has to research every aspect of traveling. As the drama teacher for the school, her students travel allot for state and local events.

I'm just so sorry this happened, I wish there was a way for the kids/parents to recoup the funds they lost. Whats done is done, but I wish there was a way to look into some sort of possibility that some if not all of the funds could be refunded to the family's. Obviously this was not a day trip to Islands of Adventure where possible one could afford to lose $100.00, this trip was in the thousands and I just don't think it should be written off without someone looking into trying to recoup some of the funds. If the amount of 30,000.00 is correct, I think it would be appropriate for the church to seek a legal opinion on how these funds could be recovered.

To quote the Olsen twins (before they got creepy), "You got it, dude!"

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http://www.fumcokee.com/church_council_minutes.htm

I was not aware that a refund had been given....this is awesome!

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http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/workingintheuk/tier5/religiousworkers/

I'm well aware of the trips the youth groups have taken

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Mitch3 wrote: http://travel.state.gov/travel/tips/tips_1232.html

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I spoke to my sister last night, she's a teacher and actually took a group of students to London last year. She used a company that specializes in high school students traveling over seas. She had six months to plan the trip, and said that it took every minute of that six months to make the arrangements.

She's a pretty tough cookie, and said ignorance of rules/law in another country is no excuse. She made it mandatory that all students had to purchase travel insurance.

No doubt this was a huge learning experience for all.......

I don't mean to sound unreasonably cynical, and I can respect anyone who takes high school students on for any more than a few hours at a time, but the fact that she did it before (and last year, since a lot has changed) hardly makes her an authority on the subject. Please understand, I'm not saying she is wrong or right or judging her in any way, except to say that just because she says something doesn't make it necessarily so. Ignorance of a law is no excuse? Well, in the eyes of the law, no, but laws are not always dictated by logic, but a small group of individuals usually are (save for certain groups in extremis, but that's different). There are inherent differences there, not to mention an inherent problem with ignorance is not knowing (duh), which kind of presents a problem with illogical laws, don't you think? Our youth group has been out of the country seven times in a row, and this is the first time we've ever had any run-in. It happens. But I certainly doubt your sister has any more authority than anyone else who has been out of the country in the last few years; the fact that she went to London is only a matter of coincidence.

Later days.

Last edited on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 03:18 pm by TheGonzoJournalist

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http://travel.state.gov/travel/tips/tips_1232.html

____________________________________

I spoke to my sister last night, she's a teacher and actually took a group of students to London last year. She used a company that specializes in high school students traveling over seas. She had six months to plan the trip, and said that it took every minute of that six months to make the arrangements.

She's a pretty tough cookie, and said ignorance of rules/law in another country is no excuse. She made it mandatory that all students had to purchase travel insurance.

No doubt this was a huge learning experience for all.......

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Razorback wrote: I do not belong to this church and how they handle their money is their business.

But it seems to me from reading these posts that the young people who went on this trip have learned something important from their pastor. They took the experience as a chance to learn how to deal with unexpected problems in life. Sometimes all you can do is laugh about it and chalk it up to experience. Next time they will know better. And so will all of the other church groups who read their story in the paper. It is a shame their trip was ruined but what is done is done. They can't do anything to change that now!

We did learn from out experience and we will know better the next time if we go back, now all we can do is to tell others about the new policy so the same thing doesn't happen to them. That was a very nice way to put it.

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cshell712 wrote: This is to meems IF MY MOTHER DID NOT NEED ME. I WOULD MOVE AND SADLY SHE HAS REASONS YOU COULD NOT EVEN IMAGINE ON WHY SHE STAYS.

You know what? I think you should write in all caps. That really seems to get a point across to a person, really drives it home. Regular writing is one thing, BUT WRITING LIKE THIS--THAT'S JUST PLAIN BRILLIANT. Chill out, cshell, go with the flow.

Later days.

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I do not belong to this church and how they handle their money is their business.

But it seems to me from reading these posts that the young people who went on this trip have learned something important from their pastor. They took the experience as a chance to learn how to deal with unexpected problems in life. Sometimes all you can do is laugh about it and chalk it up to experience. Next time they will know better. And so will all of the other church groups who read their story in the paper. It is a shame their trip was ruined but what is done is done. They can't do anything to change that now!

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This is to meems IF MY MOTHER DID NOT NEED ME. I WOULD MOVE AND SADLY SHE HAS REASONS YOU COULD NOT EVEN IMAGINE ON WHY SHE STAYS.

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The congregation has nothing to do with the youth? Who do you think supports their fund raisers? And who contributes to the facility they use...the air conditioned youth room and many of the donated items in it and the fellowship hall? Who contributes to the payroll for the custodian who provides the youth with clean rest rooms and cleans up after their mess? And what about the lady who cooks a meal nearly every Wednesday. I don't have a thing against the youth program. I just think it should be led by another leader.
Anyway, the Provost was delivered today. It's full of fuel and well stocked. I'll drive it past the church tomorrow so you can see where future donations went.
Tata to you as well.

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