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Brendan Buschi wrote: Newshound, according to reports that I have no reason to doubt we have released someone who came back to kill us. I have also read reports that I have no reason to doubt that we have detained innocent people. This is not a black and white issue. Independent of any party affiliation, I am concerned about our government not being accountable to us. If the government can mistreat an innocent man and get away with it today, it may just be me tomorrow.
Guantanamo Bay Inmate Released, Becomes Terrorist: Still U.S. Fault?
Alissa Rubin on a man released from Guantanamo who became a suicide bomber: "As many as 36 former Guantánamo detainees have taken part in violent acts against Western targets after their release, a Defense Intelligence Agency report said. Their violent acts raise the question of whether the men should have been released, but also whether their detention radicalized them."
The "Credible" "Innocents" of Guantanamo Bay? Former Inmate Becomes Suicide Bomber
While Nicholas Kristof fretted over the abuse of innocent prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, a colleague revealed that a released inmate was a bomber tied to suicide attacks in Mosul.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 01:54 pm |
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| Our actions have also taken some of those innocent or those who did relatively minor crimes and turned them into full fledged terrorists, based on our actions.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 12:42 pm |
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| No One Else, I guess you would feel that way as long as it was anyone else but you. Last edited on Mon May 12th, 2008 12:42 pm by Brendan Buschi
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 12:36 pm |
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Brendan Buschi wrote: Newshound, according to reports that I have no reason to doubt we have released someone who came back to kill us. I have also read reports that I have no reason to doubt that we have detained innocent people.
According to Newshound, "Taliban leader Abdullah Mehsud resided at Gitmo for more than two years until his release in 2004. He made his way back to Afghanistan, where he rallied and led 5,000 Taliban fighters, but he blew himself up with a grenade in 2007 to avoid capture again. "
So here we have ONE guy who was released to lead 5,000 against us. And you are concerned about detaining an innocent? One against 5,000 would be considered an "acceptable loss" by any commander.
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Posted: Mon May 12th, 2008 10:31 am |
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Newshound, according to reports that I have no reason to doubt we have released someone who came back to kill us. I have also read reports that I have no reason to doubt that we have detained innocent people.
This is not a black and white issue. Independent of any party affiliation, I am concerned about our government not being accountable to us. If the government can mistreat an innocent man and get away with it today, it may just be me tomorrow.
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| And who besides the ACLU pushed for release and cries for the shutting down of Gitmo? The Democrats! Go ahead and vote Obama. He'll make sure that they have sanctuary here in the US.
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Over the nearly seven years of the War on Terror, the U.S. has detained 770 enemy combatants at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba; 390 have been released. This is largely thanks to the ACLU, which has great concern for terrorists who might be a bit uncomfortable with three square meals, five prayer times and recreation time each day. The ACLU even started the “Close Guantanamo” campaign, complete with orange ribbons to symbolize the orange jumpsuits that are in fashion at Gitmo. Closing the prison, however, may not exactly be a good idea. Recently, one of those 390 prisoners that have been either released or turned over to the UK, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Pakistan and other countries turned up dead. As a suicide bomber. Abdullah Salim Ali al-Ajmi was turned over to Kuwait, which promptly released him. He crossed into Iraq and assisted al-Qa’ida fighters in a string of suicide attacks, culminating in his own in April in Mosul.
Taliban leader Abdullah Mehsud resided at Gitmo for more than two years until his release in 2004. He made his way back to Afghanistan, where he rallied and led 5,000 Taliban fighters, but he blew himself up with a grenade in 2007 to avoid capture again. We sure are glad the ACLU is living up to its name and fighting for American civil liberties. Oh, wait...
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Boo wrote: Ben Franklin wrote: this is occording to the people who have lied their butts off to us. Like i said in another thread. Once I catch you lying you have to prove your not after that. Some BS report proves nothing. Seems to me to be nothing more than a wish list for the Neo-cons invasion plans. and as i ve said before one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. You know like when the Boers labled the south africans terrorists---after they invaded the S.A's country and over thru the ligit gov.
I specifically call into question a kidnapping being a terrorist operation. Since when did that become a modus operandi for terrorists? By its own definition the US gov. is a terrorist state. See the point its just propaganda. But it doesnt mean some is not true. I am 100% convince Kim Jong Il is legally nuts. After the recent nuclear reactor visit, far more dangerous then Bin Laden is at the moment.
Does I reckon that you think alQ are freedom fighters?
Kidnappin been a terror thing for scores of years. Depends on the purpose of the kidnappin.
Ahm sure glad that you got the inside scoop that the US is whut you say it is and that these reports are bogus. You must got the bestest intelligence operation thar iz. Bettern aunt Minnie's. She's our county gossip. Says kinda the same thing you duz.
Your come back is unresponsive to my points. I simply will not beleive liers anymore. One kidnaps to get a ransom. I dont know of any Gov on the planet that will change Cos someone is kidnapped. do you?
actually alQ started just as that freedom fighters in the Afghanistan war with Russia. which by the way caused the collapse of the Russian econmomy. Seem familiar to anyone? then they were our allies now they want to kill us. Hmmm smells to me. or maybe are they a big fiction created to get us scared so wes gives up our rights?
Youall seem to want to forget that our CIA created Bin laden and put Saddem in power and grew AlQ during their war with Russia.
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Ben Franklin wrote: this is occording to the people who have lied their butts off to us. Like i said in another thread. Once I catch you lying you have to prove your not after that. Some BS report proves nothing. Seems to me to be nothing more than a wish list for the Neo-cons invasion plans. and as i ve said before one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. You know like when the Boers labled the south africans terrorists---after they invaded the S.A's country and over thru the ligit gov.
I specifically call into question a kidnapping being a terrorist operation. Since when did that become a modus operandi for terrorists? By its own definition the US gov. is a terrorist state. See the point its just propaganda. But it doesnt mean some is not true. I am 100% convince Kim Jong Il is legally nuts. After the recent nuclear reactor visit, far more dangerous then Bin Laden is at the moment.
Does I reckon that you think alQ are freedom fighters?
Kidnappin been a terror thing for scores of years. Depends on the purpose of the kidnappin.
Ahm sure glad that you got the inside scoop that the US is whut you say it is and that these reports are bogus. You must got the bestest intelligence operation thar iz. Bettern aunt Minnie's. She's our county gossip. Says kinda the same thing you duz.
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Cobra wrote: WASHINGTON -- Nearly seven years after the September 11 attacks, al Qaeda remains the biggest terrorist threat to the United States and its allies, the U.S. State Department said in an annual report on Wednesday.
The country-by-country survey of terrorism trends and incidents in 2007 said al Qaeda had used tribal areas of Pakistan to reconstitute some operational capabilities, replace killed or captured fighters and rebuild its leadership.
Al Qaeda "utilizes terrorism, as well as subversion, propaganda, and open warfare; it seeks weapons of mass destruction in order to inflict the maximum possible damage on anyone who stands in its way, including other Muslims and/or elders, women and children," said the report.
The number of terrorism attacks worldwide fell slightly in 2007 to 14,499, from 14,570 in 2006. A total of 72,066 people were killed, injured or kidnapped in 2007, down from 75,211 in the previous year, data from the U.S. National Counter-terrorism Center showed.
In the two theaters of U.S.-led wars, terrorism incidents in Iraq fell to 6,212 last year from 6,628 in 2006, but in Afghanistan they rose to 1,127 from 969 in the previous year, data showed.
The report said Afghanistan had made progress fighting extremists, but "the Taliban-led insurgency remained strong and resilient in the South and East" with an undiminished ability to recruit foot soldiers from rural ethnic Pashtuns.
The list of designated state sponsors of terrorism -- Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan and Syria -- remained unchanged, despite efforts to remove North Korea from the blacklist through slow-moving nuclear disarmament negotiations with Pyongyang.
The report said Sudan continued to take significant steps to cooperate in anti-terrorism, but Cuba, Iran and Syria had not renounced terrorism or worked to combat terror groups.
"Iran and Syria routinely provided safe haven, substantial resources, and guidance to terrorist organizations," said the 312-page report.
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this is occording to the people who have lied their butts off to us. Like i said in another thread. Once I catch you lying you have to prove your not after that. Some BS report proves nothing. Seems to me to be nothing more than a wish list for the Neo-cons invasion plans. and as i ve said before one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. You know like when the Boers labled the south africans terrorists---after they invaded the S.A's country and over thru the ligit gov.
I specifically call into question a kidnapping being a terrorist operation. Since when did that become a modus operandi for terrorists? By its own definition the US gov. is a terrorist state. See the point its just propaganda. But it doesnt mean some is not true. I am 100% convince Kim Jong Il is legally nuts. After the recent nuclear reactor visit, far more dangerous then Bin Laden is at the moment.
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WASHINGTON -- Nearly seven years after the September 11 attacks, al Qaeda remains the biggest terrorist threat to the United States and its allies, the U.S. State Department said in an annual report on Wednesday.
The country-by-country survey of terrorism trends and incidents in 2007 said al Qaeda had used tribal areas of Pakistan to reconstitute some operational capabilities, replace killed or captured fighters and rebuild its leadership.
Al Qaeda "utilizes terrorism, as well as subversion, propaganda, and open warfare; it seeks weapons of mass destruction in order to inflict the maximum possible damage on anyone who stands in its way, including other Muslims and/or elders, women and children," said the report.
The number of terrorism attacks worldwide fell slightly in 2007 to 14,499, from 14,570 in 2006. A total of 72,066 people were killed, injured or kidnapped in 2007, down from 75,211 in the previous year, data from the U.S. National Counter-terrorism Center showed.
In the two theaters of U.S.-led wars, terrorism incidents in Iraq fell to 6,212 last year from 6,628 in 2006, but in Afghanistan they rose to 1,127 from 969 in the previous year, data showed.
The report said Afghanistan had made progress fighting extremists, but "the Taliban-led insurgency remained strong and resilient in the South and East" with an undiminished ability to recruit foot soldiers from rural ethnic Pashtuns.
The list of designated state sponsors of terrorism -- Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan and Syria -- remained unchanged, despite efforts to remove North Korea from the blacklist through slow-moving nuclear disarmament negotiations with Pyongyang.
The report said Sudan continued to take significant steps to cooperate in anti-terrorism, but Cuba, Iran and Syria had not renounced terrorism or worked to combat terror groups.
"Iran and Syria routinely provided safe haven, substantial resources, and guidance to terrorist organizations," said the 312-page report.
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Although anyone can say that any friend of Hamas is no friend of mine, Jimmy Carter's behavior is no revelation at all. At taxpayer funded expense, Carter traveled the world, and met with the most dangerous enemies time and time again and against our nation's best interest at that. Carter has got to know that Hamas aint no social club but rather a dangerous terrorist organization who has been responsible for the killing of countless innocent Americans and Israelis. Look at these facts (from the same cfilistmanager website cited by Newshound)
Hamas launches suicide bombers and murders innocent women and children with wild-eyed glee -- particularly if their targets are Jewish or Christian.
After Hamas won the 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections and took control of the Palestinian "nation," the United States -- along with the United Nations, the European Union, and Russia -- called on Hamas to recognize Israel and honor previous agreements to coexist peacefully.
The leaders of Hamas were defiant. They made it clear that they intended to keep on killing Jews, Americans, and everyone else that got in the way of their fanatic agenda.
Jimmy Carter is critical of President Bush -- a man who has made the defeat of terrorism his legacy -- but Carter never misses an opportunity to meet and greet international terrorists.
Like Brebndan Buschi says, "Give credit where credit is due."
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Posted: Mon Apr 28th, 2008 09:03 pm |
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The Syrian Nuclear Mystery Evolves
The Bush administration briefed the U.S. Congress on Thursday about the reasons behind the Sept. 6, 2007, Israeli raid on Syria. According to the secret briefing — the content of which, of course, not only was leaked immediately (as was intended) but was essentially confirmed by a White House spokeswoman — the target was a nuclear reactor, able to produce plutonium, that had been built with the assistance of North Korea. The administration showed a videotape, apparently produced by Israeli intelligence, showing faces that were said to be in the facility and to be clearly Korean.
What is important to note is this information is not new. It is a confirmation of the story leaked by the administration shortly after the attack and also leaked by the Israelis a bit later. The explanation for the attack was that it was designed to take out a reactor in Syria that had been built with North Korean help. There are therefore three questions. First, why did the United States go to such lengths to reveal what it has been saying privately for months? Second, why did the administration do it now? Third, why is the United States explaining an Israeli raid using, at least in part, material provided by Israel? Why isn’t Israel making the revelation?
It has never been clear to us why the Israelis and Americans didn’t immediately announce that the Syrians were building a nuclear reactor. Given American hostility toward Syria over support for jihadists in Iraq, we would have thought that they would have announced it instantly. The explanation we thought most plausible at the time was that the intelligence came from the North Koreans in the course of discussions of their nuclear technology, and since the North Koreans were cooperating, the United States didn’t want to publicly embarrass them. It was the best we could come up with.
The announcement on Thursday seems to debunk that theory, at least to the extent that the primary material displayed was U.S. satellite information and the Israeli video, which was said to have been used to convince the United States of the existence of the reactor and of North Korean involvement. So why didn’t the administration condemn Syria and North Korea on Sept. 7? It still seems to us that part of the explanation is in the state of talks with North Korea over its own program. The North Koreans had said that they would provide technical information on their program — which they haven’t done. Either the United States lost its motivation to protect North Korean feelings because of this or the Bush administration felt that Thursday’s briefings would somehow bring pressure to bear on North Korea. Unless the United States is planning to use these revelations as justification for attacks on the North Koreans, we find it difficult to see how this increases pressure on them.
More interesting is the question of why the United States — and not Israel — is briefing on an Israeli raid. Israeli media reported April 23 that the Israelis had asked the Americans not to brief Congress. The reason given was that the Israelis did not want the United States to embarrass Syria at this point. As we noted on April 23, there appeared to have been some interesting diplomatic moves between Syria and Israel, and it made sense that revealing this information now might increase friction.
If this read is true, then it would appear that the United States briefed deliberately against Israeli wishes. Certainly, the Israelis didn’t participate in the process. One answer could be that the United States is unhappy about Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s moves on Syria and wants to derail them. The United States wanted Syria out of Lebanon. The Israelis have a more complex view of their presence. In some ways, they see the Syrians as a stabilizing force. And they certainly aren’t eager to see Bashar al Assad’s government fall, since whatever might replace the al Assad government would probably be worse from the Israeli point of view. That would mean that the Israelis would want to take out the reactor, but not necessarily rub the Syrians’ nose in it.
So there are two plausible answers to Thursday’s show. One is to increase pressure on North Korea. The second is to derail any Israeli-Syrian peace process. The problem is that it’s hard to see why North Korea is going to be moved by the official declaration of what Washington has been saying from the beginning. The second would assume that U.S.-Israeli relations had deteriorated to the point that the United States had to use this as a lever. That’s tough to believe.
The senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, Peter Hoekstra, said after the briefing, “This administration has no credibility on North Korea. A lot of us are beginning to become concerned that the administration is moving away from getting a solid policy solution to ‘let’s make a deal.’”
So that seems to undermine the prep for strike theory. That leaves tension between the United States and Israel as the last standing theory. Not a good theory, but the last standing one.
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Carter Thumbed His Nose At Congress
When Carter announced his little trip, some members of his own party joined with Republicans in signing a letter begging him NOT to meet with Hamas -- an anti-Semitic, hate-America gang of terrorists.
Representative Bill Shuster introduced a "sense of Congress" resolution which reads in part that Congress "disapproves of former President Jimmy Carter's freelance diplomatic efforts in the Middle East, which contradict the stated foreign policy position of the current Administration."
Two other Democrats, Representatives Howard Berman, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and Gary Ackerman, chairman of the Foreign Affairs Mideast subcommittee, wrote Carter imploring him NOT to meet with Hamas.
"This visit will undermine the Middle East peace process... the legitimacy and prestige that Hamas will derive from your visit will be seen in the region as a clear demonstration that violence pays.
More than 50 House Members -- in all -- wrote Carter urging him NOT to meet with Meshal, calling him the man behind the deaths of 26 Americans.
Yet there was Carter: striking poses for TV cameras, mouthing far-left platitudes, playing the role of the benevolent peacemaker, flashing his nauseating grin.
Use the hyperlink below to send your urgent and personalized Blast Fax messages to President George W. Bush and each and every one of the Republican Members of the leadership in the House and Senate.
Tell them this time Jimmy Carter has gone too far. Urge them to support Rep. Sue Myrick's efforts to urge Secretary Rice to pull Carter's passport. And, demand they immediately vote on Representative Knollenberg's legislation to stop the federal government from doling out our hard-earned tax dollars to the Georgia-based Carter Center. Our hard-earned tax dollars should not be used to support activity that runs contrary to U.S. interests, including meetings with terrorists.
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My point about Carter was very simple and it was good to hear you acknowledge that he did something positive when he was President.
I'm so tired of hearing people bash away at Carter. I've never met the man. I just think it is important to give credit where it is due.
I tend not to trust politicians. I've met a few. I have no desire to meet any more. When I hear people say things that sound partisan, I like to interject a comment now and then.
I find it fascinating how much time people spend whacking away at former Presidents when our current President has created so much pandemonium. Things are a mess. What Carter is doing at this moment may be interesting, but it pales in comparison to what our current leaders are doing.
The Executive Branch is spinning out of control. This has been going on for almost 8 years now and our Legislative Branch, whether dominated by Republicans or Democrats has not seen fit to put a halt to this insanity.
I keep hoping that everyone will abandon partisan politics and call things for what they are. I don't think we can survive another fool in the White House.
There is a letter to the editor today in the Delaware State News from Reid Beveridge. Reid is one of several writers whose letters repeat the same old Republicans are good Democrats are bad theme. I used to respond to his letters and letters by David Skocik and some others, but the Delaware State News has been refusing to print my letters.
The partisan letters make me sick. If you believe as I do that most politicians are a bunch of crooks, you can at least understand why they say such ludicrous things to secure office and stay in office. What I never got was what motivates a non-office holder to repeat the same vacuous drivel.
I would love it if people resorted to facts to make their case and abandoned the need to paint everything in either black or white. A civilian talking like a politician is a raver.
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| Yeah so? It became a disaster. He thinks that he is an expert on the Middle East and is there screwing things up again. Granted, the Egypt-Israel treaty was the shining moment of Jimmy Carter's presidency, so this rethinking has obvious implications for his credentials as someone who understands the Middle East. He is attempting to validate his mark on history. Don’t you think that's a particularly relevant point at this time? You are aware that Carter is pushing his new book on the Arab-Israeli conflict, "Palestine Peace Not Apartheid". Carter has harbored an anti-Israeli sentiment for almost his entire career. It’s evident in his writings. Try reading the first book on the Middle East that he wrote back in 1985 entitled “The Blood of Abraham.”
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| Is it hard for people to admit that Carter is the one who got Israel and Egypt to conclude a peace teaty?
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The Real Jimmy Carter
Jimmy Carter portrays himself as a man of the people. But Secret Service agents, Air Force One stewards, and White House residence staff saw an entirely different picture.
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]http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/?s=al&promo_code=49AA-1]Last edited on Sat Apr 26th, 2008 08:45 pm by Newshound
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Unlike any other president in our history, Jimmy Carter managed to bring a partial resolution to the turmoil in the Middle East. He shepherded the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel.
Give credit where it is due
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Well, he has moved up one spot as the worst Presidents, that is for sure.
As for what his is trying to do....eh. No big deal. As a former President, he does carry some weight, and if he chooses to try to broker a peace deal instead of sitting on multi-national corporations, that is is choice. I don't buy it either, but I do think we are better off talking to them then not.
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| Carter's anti-Israel bias has been evident for years. He is acting in his own private capacity and what he does carries no weight other than his own inflated ego. Since he was one of the most ineffectual presidents in history, he is still attempting to establish a legacy. He should stick to peanut growing.
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Jimmy Carter Lays A Wreath at Arafat's Tomb
Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter laid a wreath of red roses at the grave of Palestinian Liberation Organization leader Yasser Arafat during a visit to the West Bank City of Ramallah on Tuesday. "He and Mrs. Carter and his son Jeff wanted to pay their respects to President Arafat," Carter's trip director Rick Jasculca told Cybercast News Service...
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Jimmy Carter Gets 'Souvenir' Rocket Tail on Visit to Rocket-Pounded Sderot
Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - Just days before he is supposed to meet with Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal in Damascus, Syria, former U.S. President Jimmy Carter criticized Palestinian rocket attacks on civilians in southern Israel.~~ "I think it's a despicable crime for any deliberate effort to be made to kill innocent civilians," he said...
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| I don't see any denunciation by the "moderate" muslims, or at least there are too few of them. Probably because if they denounce the rads they will get a fatwah issued against them. I think that Bix did diffrentiate between Muslims and radical Muslims. If Interpol agrees, then so must we. I think that there are far more incidents than what our mainstream media puts out.
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No, Bix, the issue is not whether their are or are not terrorists...of course there are. The question is where, how many, what they are going to do, and how to deal with the problem. Further, there is a big difference between a Muslim, and a Muslim terrorist, and to often righties want people to believe that they are the same thing....that turns off those who know differently.
Terrorism is a problem; I just don't believe that there is one and only one right wing way to solve the problem.
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The failure of some of the American people to recognize radical Muslim terrorists is that they don't want to believe it. Many harbor anti-Jewish resentments ingrained through generations. Some have even actually expressed sympathy for the Palestinians and Iran. I don't ever recall reading in the US mainstream media that Interpol has declared Iran as a terrorism-sponsoring state. Of course iran rejected the declaration and even appealed through international courts. Iran made some kind of proposal to have that designation changed. Interpol rightly rejected Iran’s appeal and issued international arrest warrants for five senior Iranians (and one senior Hezbollah operative) who were involved in bombing the Jewish Community Center in Argentina (AMIA) in Buenos Aires in 1994.
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In an editorial in the Arabic reformist website http://www.aafaq.org, editor Omran Salman explains the failure of American public diplomacy efforts and blames the dictatorial Arab regimes of being behind the campaigns to smear America as part of their struggle for survival.
The following is the editorial. [1]
"The Distortion of the Image of the U.S. Has Become a Political Objective for Arab Governments in Their Struggle for Survival"
"The news of the resignation of Karen Hughes, the official responsible for American public diplomacy who was tasked with improving the image of America abroad, especially in the Middle East, was received with relative quiet. This was in contrast to the news of her appointment to the position in 2005, which enjoyed wide coverage and high hopes.
"But Hughes failed in her mission, though with distinction, and it is expected, or so it is hoped, that this failure will deliver a severe shock to American diplomacy that may perhaps awaken it from the delusions and bureaucracy that are firmly established in the corridors of the Department of State.
"In any case, it was not destined for that Hughes would succeed in 'winning the hearts and minds of the Arabs' in all circumstances, and this has nothing to do with her skills or her competence.
"According to the Reuters article that reported her resignation, Hughes is known for her fast-talking, enthusiastic style, a trait that was not always well received, particularly in the Middle East.
"But this is not the reason, of course. The distorted image of the United States - in the Arab world, at least - is not due to lack of information about the motives and nature of American foreign policy, and not because Arab citizens have insufficient information about American life, or the laws or institutions of the United States.
"The residents of the Arab world do not live on another planet, and they are not isolated from the revolution of rapid communication, technology, and the Internet, where anyone can push a button and get the information he wants. Many Arabs have visited the United States or have a relatives or friends living in America.
"The real reason is that the distortion of the image of the United States has become a political objective for Arab governments in their struggle for survival, and a tool to banish the specter of democracy and change in the Arab region.
"Those conducting this smear campaign are primarily autocratic Arab regimes, as represented by Ministries of Information. They have decided to make the United States pay the price for toppling one of their regimes - the regime of Saddam Hussein - and then calling for reform in the region."
"What Those Conducting American Public Diplomacy Do Not Realize is that, in the Arab World, Little Happens by Chance"
"To this end, they poisoned the views and ideas in the Arab world, and filled the minds of the people with such extraordinary superstitions, fantasies and conspiracy theories, beginning with the accusation that the CIA and the Jews masterminded the attacks of September 11 and not ending with the 'Crusader war' that President George Bush has declared on the Islamic world.
"What those conducting American public diplomacy do not realize is that in the Arab world, little happens by chance.
"When Karen Hughes visited a school in an Arab capital to meet with the pupils, or a social institution to meet with its employees, she thought that people were speaking naturally and revealing what they actually believe - their opinions, in fact - especially toward the United States.
"Such things may happen in America, where people are free in what they believe and what they say. But it is naive to assume that the same thing happens in the Arab world.
"In the Arab world, numerous authorities intervene to shape people’s views and impose on them what to say. First, there is the information authority, for the most part owned by the government or by agencies close to it; this information, whether it comes in the apparent form of news or opinions, teaches people negative views of the United States day in and day out.
"Then, there is the imam of the mosque. Generally, he is a government official, and it is impossible for him to leave cursing the Jews, the Nazarenes (Christians), and the global arrogance - headed of course by America! - out of his sermons."
"Those Who Conduct American Public Diplomacy Have Allowed the Arab Governments and Their Corrupt and Despotic Agencies To Deceive Them - And Have Then Themselves Attempted to Deceive American Public Opinion"
"And then there is the school - a government institution - which programs the pupils from childhood on with hostility toward everything non-Arab and non-Muslim, and programs them to believe in declaring other Muslims apostates and infidels, and in jihad, and in the restoration of the Caliphate and the revival of Arab and Islamic glory - to which the West is an obstacle!
"Instead of researching the true reasons for the distortion of America’s image in the Arab world, and presenting a list of the organizations and individuals engaged in the distortion - which in any case takes place openly, in broad daylight - those who conduct American public diplomacy have allowed the Arab governments and their corrupt and despotic agencies to deceive them - and have then themselves attempted to deceive American public opinion.
"What they do not know is that they have become a joke in the Arab world, subject to jest and ridicule from all sides.
"Thus, instead of the United States winning the hearts and minds of Arabs and Muslims, the Arab governments and Muslim Brotherhood have ensnared the hearts and minds of many State Department diplomats, as well as those of some of Washington's influential research institutes."
Series dispatch #1766
MEMRI
November, 2007
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Posted: Tue Feb 26th, 2008 03:16 pm |
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From the pen of Col. Oliver North, USMC Ret'd
“Iraqi terrorists [recently] outfitted two Muslim women with Down syndrome with IEDs and dispatched them into a busy al-Ghazi pet market in Baghdad’s Jadida section. When the women reached a location where their bomb-laden bodies would cause the greatest carnage, the IEDs were detonated remotely by a cowardly Islamic radical. Apparently, al-Qaida is running short of mentally competent volunteers who want to murder fellow Muslims in the process of becoming ‘martyrs’ for Allah... Using the handicapped, women and children for terror is nothing new for Islamic radicals. During the January 2005 Iraqi parliamentary elections, al-Qaida used a child with Down syndrome to carry out one of 38 suicide attacks at polling stations that left more than 40 people dead. In March 2005, terrorists detonated an explosives-rigged vehicle with two children in the back seat after U.S. soldiers let it through a Baghdad checkpoint. The vehicle had been allowed to pass when soldiers saw the children and became less suspicious. Once the vehicle got through the checkpoint, the adults parked it and ran, detonating the car with the children inside... When coalition forces moved to disrupt al-Qaida networks operating in Diyala province in central Iraq Jan. 30, they encountered armed terrorists using women and children as human shields... In radical Islam, the slogan ‘women and children first’ has taken on a whole new meaning.” —Oliver North
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It is very interesting....I'm sure that Pakistan knew what we were going to do, and although Perv has to deny that he knew about it, you KNOW he knew about it.
The timing was also interesting...before a general election that his party wound up losing.
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Maybe we missed this one but another radical Islamist, al-Libi has been killed.
Looks like the good guys bagged another one. Last week, Abu Laith al-Libi, a top al-Qa’ida commander who last year bombed an Afghan military base while Vice President Dick Cheney was visiting, was killed by a U.S. missile strike in Pakistan, according to U.S. intelligence officials. Terrorism experts called the U.S. bull’s eye a significant blow against al-Qa’ida due to al-Libi’s extensive ties with the Taliban. The strike, conducted by a Predator drone, was carried out against a Pakistani facility in northern Waziristan, a lawless Pakistani tribal area that borders Afghanistan. Naturally, Pakistani officials denied any knowledge of the strike, as President Pervez Musharraf has repeatedly said he would not allow U.S. military action against al-Qa’ida on Pakistani soil, though we suspect that they simply looked the other way. Whether Pakistan knew in advance or not, the strike could be an indication of a significant shift in U.S. strategy, raising the possibility that U.S. forces have been given the green light to hit al-Qa’ida wherever they are found, with or without permission of the host country. It will be interesting to see if further strikes against targets in Pakistan materialize in the near future.
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| What do you think of Obadiah Shoher's views on the Middle East conflict? One can argue, of course, that Shoher is ultra-right, but his followers are far from being a marginal group. Also, he rejects Jewish moralistic reasoning - that's alone is highly unusual for the Israeli right. And he is very influential here in Israel. So what do you think? uh, here's the site in question: Middle East conflict Last edited on Tue Feb 19th, 2008 11:31 am by AlexZello
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Posted: Tue Aug 21st, 2007 01:31 pm |
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Well, it isn't radical, for one thing. It was tried before, but we redirected troops when the violence decreased in Baghdad and increased in other areas.
And I do believe that given the options we had 6 months ago, it was probably the last and best course we had...but I fear it was the equivalent of going "all in" with a weak hand. I also don't buy the line that we had to wait until ALL the troops were there, then wait until ALL the troops were engaged, and the we had to wait even more for the effects...no, positive effects should have started with the first 5,000 influx of troops. Can you give me any reason why things should not have started improving at that point, at least in localized areas?
And now that the troops are there, the Iraqis are muddling around, and have absolutely no sense of pressure...I believe, as has been stated by the commanders over there, that the TALK of pulling back has had some impact of pushing the Iraiqs a bit...but it has not been enough. I suspect many don't think we are serious about turning over the security of Iraq to Iraq, and we may need to start the pull back to force them to stand up....I don't think we will pull everyone out anytime soon, regardless of who gets elected, but we may need to send a shot across the bow to the Iraqis to get them a bit more motivated.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21st, 2007 10:44 am |
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So perhaps this radical infusion of troops to clear out the insurgent roaches will finally give the fledgling Iraqui government an opportunity to clean up the crumbs. It is a chance they are being given that has not occurred since the election of the new government.
I'm willing to give it a chance to succeed before pulling the plug.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21st, 2007 10:38 am |
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bbd...are you totally ignoring the fact that there is a big difference between winning military battles and Iraq standing up on it's own? I'll say again..NO ONE ever said that adding 30K worth of troops to Baghdad wasn't going to make things better, but as GEN Petrius said, this is not primarily a military battle. If Iraq doesn't stand up, and they have not shown any inclination to do so, we will never leave.
It is like killing cockroaches in an apartment complex. If you spray bug spray all over the place, you can clear out a space...but unless you start by getting someone to clean up the food dishes under couch, and get your neighbors to do the same, the cockroaches will be back after a week.
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Hillary
We are winning but lets run away now before the election. (Paraphrased)
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KANSAS CITY, Mo. - New military tactics in Iraq are working but the best way to honor U.S. soldiers is "by beginning to bring them home," Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton told war veterans Monday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070821/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_iraq_6
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Idaho Observer wrote: Sorting out the Middle East
If you want to pose as an all-purpose expert on the Middle East, just assume the demeanor of a wise old owl and announce, "It's all about oil." Why did the United States invade Iraq? "Oil." What are the Sunnis and the Shiites battling over? "Oil." What is Iran's motive in its Byzantine power plays? "Oil." Don't try to explain the details of your analysis: Keep it simple, and just blame everything on oil.
Oil, money, and power are synonamous! It used to be the slaves where controlled by controlling the food, now we are controlled by money and energy use.
Could anyone on this forum survive if your electricity where cut off and the grocery stores disappeared? No you couldnt cos you have no idea how to live wo electricity nor can you find food anywhere except a grocery store.
Iraqs true purpose was never about getting oil to market it was about controlling the price of it. Iraq was created in 1919 by the brits and the french governments. Sadam was bad because he jerked around with the price of crude by one day not releasing any then a couple of days later flooding the market. the oilgarchy dont like you messing with their Billion dollars of profit they are getting each quarter.
So you see while "its all about oil" may be simplistic it is the truth.
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Posted: Mon Aug 20th, 2007 03:17 pm |
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You've got a point, IO, but the exact opposite of that is to paint every problem over there as all encompassing "Islamofacism". There seems to be two tenants to that "thought" process...that all the players over there are all secretly working on some greater agenda even as they are killing each other, and that they all have a military invasion of the United States on their timetable.
There are many problems over there, and if oil wasn't there, they would still be there...we just wouldn't care about it. Most people don't want to, even now...which is why they want to simplify the problems over there, rather then taking the time to learn that Iran's two biggest problems in the Middle East (from the perspective of being the big player over there) were Saddam and his Sunni government, and the Taliban. Our actions may have been necessary, but they had unintended consequences as well that we can't ignore.
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Sorting out the Middle East
If you want to pose as an all-purpose expert on the Middle East, just assume the demeanor of a wise old owl and announce, "It's all about oil." Why did the United States invade Iraq? "Oil." What are the Sunnis and the Shiites battling over? "Oil." What is Iran's motive in its Byzantine power plays? "Oil." Don't try to explain the details of your analysis: Keep it simple, and just blame everything on oil.
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I call it getting though a time of troubles without making things worse, like shrub has done. The world's energy infrastructure changed hands in that period and no matter who had been in the White House, the energy and related economic problems would have occurred.
The world is replete with people like you who think there is some sort of "final solution" to the problems that face all nations. And somehow, those solutions always seem to stigmatize and blame some group for these "problems". And of course we know where that "final solution" type thinking leads, don't we?
You've become the evil you claim to abhor.
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Patting himself on the back: “Since the Carter administration left office, we have been criticized for many things. Yet I remain enormously proud of what we did in those four years, especially that we told the truth, obeyed the law and kept the peace.” (Walter Mondale)
Yeah, but they forgot like double-digit inflation, long gas lines, fuel rationing, attack on American embassay with no response, and Iran emboldening and 3encouraging radicals to join the jihad.
“What do you call it when the U.S. sits idly by as the Soviets invade Afghanistan and a newly radicalized Iran holds Americans hostage? Walter Mondale calls it ‘keeping the peace’.” (James Taranto)
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