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Posted: Sun Jul 15th, 2007 01:11 pm |
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DEBKAfile reports: Palestinian Islamists pound northern Lebanon with Syrian-supplied Katyusha rockets - a new departure in their revolt against Beirut
July 14, 2007, 10:54 AM (GMT+02:00)
Our military sources report the pro-Damascus Palestinian factions fighting the Lebanese army for two months in the northern Nahr al-Bared camp took their first delivery of rockets this week from the Syrian army. The Katyushas were smuggled across the border through the east Lebanese Beqaa Valley, the first items of heavy hardware Syria has ever supplied to its Palestinian surrogates in Lebanon.
The Lebanese news agency reports three salvoes of 11 rockets fired from the Palestinian camp near Tripoli Friday after two months of clashes with Lebanese forces.
Five landed on the plains of Arqa and Beit Hadara in the northern Akkar province, three more in the Minieh and Deir Emar districts and another three crashed on to the highway linking Lebanon to Syria. At the same time, Fatah al-Islam terrorists launched an attack on a Lebanese position outside the camp and lost 15 men.
Lebanese correspondents describe fires and damaged house and vehicles in North Lebanese villages as reminiscent of the scenes in northern Israel after Hizballah’s 34-day Katyusha barrage last year. No casualties have so far been reported.
Bashar Assad, who has been pumping reinforcements and arms to the Palestinian groups holed up in the northern Lebanese camp, clearly has no compunctions about arming them to blast the civilians of northern Lebanon, to help demonstrate that the Siniora government and Lebanese army cannot provide the country with security.
Among the pro-Syrian Palestinian terror groups fighting alongside radical Fatah Islam is Nayef Hawatmeh’s Democratic Front, which did not stop him from asking Israel this week for permission to enter the West Bank
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 10:42 pm |
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Sunday, July 8, 2007 6:13 p.m. EDT
UK Chief: 15 Year Terror War
Britain's new security chief warned on Sunday that the battle against domestic militancy could take up to 15 years, and said Britons must start sharing information about neighbors they suspect of involvement in terrorism.
Adm. Sir Alan West, the former navy chief who was recently named Prime Minister Gordon Brown's security minister, said the level of the threat Britain faced was unprecedented and a new approach was critical.
One of those approaches included challenges to the British psyche, he said.
"Britishness does not normally involve snitching or talking about someone," he told The Sunday Telegraph. "I'm afraid, in this situation, anyone who's got any information should say something because the people we are talking about are trying to destroy our entire way of life."
He said preventing the radicalization of young British Muslims was his top priority.
"This is not a quick thing," he said. "I believe it will take 10 to 15 years. But I think it can be done as long as we as a nation apply ourselves to it and it's done across the board."
Meanwhile, authorities acknowledged no armed police were on duty at Glasgow airport June 30 when two men crashed a Jeep Cherokee laden with gas cylinders and gasoline into the main terminal.
"Armed officers are only deployed to the airport when the national threat level requires it," a Strathclyde police spokesman said on condition of anonymity because department policy barred him from speaking for attribution.
Britain's terrorism threat level was "severe" at the time of the attack _ the second-highest level, which means an attack is highly likely. It remains at that level.
It is up to individual police forces to decide how to deal with the threat level, a Home Office spokeswoman said on condition of anonymity in line with department policy.
Most police throughout Britain do not carry firearms out of the philosophy that arming police makes criminals feel justified in carrying weapons. However, all forces have specially trained firearms teams ready for rapid deployment.
The two men arrested following the Glasgow attack were overpowered by an unarmed officer, an off-duty policeman and members of the public. Armed police have been on duty at the airport since the attack.
Eight people are in custody in connection with the attacks _ seven in Britain and one in Australia. Most of the suspects worked for Britain's health service and come from countries in the Middle East and India. One has been charged: Bilal Abdullah, a 27-year-old doctor born in Britain and raised in Iraq.
Two cars packed with gas cylinders and nails were discovered June 29 in the busy heart of London's West End _ one outside a crowded nightclub, the other near Trafalgar Square. The next day, a Jeep Cherokee smashed in flames into the security barriers at Glasgow airport.
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 09:39 pm |
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The Belfer Center is my primary source for information regarding nuclear terrorism, and I agree that the danger of a nuclear attack against one or more US cities is highly probable.
They do not, however, share your view of the world situation and the underlying causes and enabling factors behind nuclear terrorism. Perhaps if you read more you'd learn something; such as the fact that they consider the policies you espouse to akin to pouring gasoline on a raging fire.
On edit: I just looked at your link and saw you aren't referencing the Harvard site, you are still reading the political version of the Daily Enquirer for your news. No wonder you're a know nothing. Last edited on Mon Jul 9th, 2007 09:41 pm by
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 09:02 pm |
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More for the assorted Holocaust deniers, pablum pukers (I like that) and run-of-the-mill leftists who would ignore the dangers that lurk.
WASHINGTON – A nuclear terrorist attack on the U.S. is better than an even bet in the next 10 years, says a former assistant secretary of defense and author of a book on the subject.
"Based on current trends, a nuclear terrorist attack on the United States is more likely than not in the decade ahead," says Graham Allison, director of the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government and author of "Nuclear Terrorism: The Ultimate Preventable Catastrophe." Read the latest now on WND.com.
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56524
But then again, what do they know? 
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 06:19 pm |
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Chicken Little says the sky is falling.
Again.
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Posted: Mon Jul 9th, 2007 05:51 pm |
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Across town from the site of the recent attempted car-bomb attacks, several thousand Muslims gathered in front of the London Central Mosque to applaud fiery preachers prophesying the overthrow of the British government – a future vision that encompasses an Islamic takeover of the White House and the rule of the Quran over America. Hear the audio at WorldNetDaily.com now!
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56503
* 'Mideast war this summer'
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56567
* PA officials smuggled $52 million in U.S. aid
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56561
* Red Mosque hostage kids tell parents: We're martyrs
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56563
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Posted: Fri Jul 6th, 2007 05:33 am |
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| Libby is one of about 10 men primarily responsible for this war.
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| Ah, the truth according to Marty. Well, he did get one thing right but , unfortunately it doesn't support Taos's claim that Libby was a big wheel in starting the war as he claimed earlier. But , since only half the people would even give this guy Martry any creds, I won't say he's right on anything, even about Libby. So maybe you are right , Taos, he could have started it all....
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Posted: Fri Jul 6th, 2007 02:22 am |
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Worse Than Libby
Marty Kaplan
Commuting Scooter's sentence wasn't the worst thing W did this week. Libby, after all, was just a bit player in the Bush-Cheney epic, a mere hit man deployed to rub out a critic. The big story remains the war whose rotted foundation Joe Wilson dared to expose; the ball to keep your eye on is in Baghdad and Basra.
And just in case anyone was wondering whether Dick Luger's recent demurral, or John Warner's ominous throat-clearing, or Gordon Smith and Olympia Snow's timorous ass-covering, had actually breached the Bush bubble in recent days, the answer was on full view in the president's Fourth of July speech. It was the same as his answer to the Libby sentence -- Go f- yourself -- but the question in this case, the Iraq war itself, is way more consequential.
"I've heard it all before," Patti Scott, 72, of Richmond, Virginia, told the Washington Post after the speech. It's true; we have all heard it all before. It was an anthology of nearly every inane slogan, smirking lie, psychotic delusion and neocon non sequitur we have been fed since the rumors of war first rumbled. The only difference was that it was packaged in Independence Day wrapping. The analogy was implicit, but painful: W stands for Washington, with George W. Bush the latter-day father of our country's freedom. Another, more poisonous analogy -- Bush, who notoriously ducked his own Texas Air National Guard duties, was speaking here to the West Virginia National Guard, who have not been so fortunate as their commander-in-chief -- went blissfully unremarked.
"In this war, we face dangerous enemies who have attacked us here at home." No, those who attacked us at home were from Saudi Arabia and trained in Afghanistan. It is your pre-emptive war that has made Iraq an al Quaida recruiting ground.
"I know the passage of time has convinced some... that the danger doesn't exist." Ah, the "some say" straw man. Who is he talking about? Is Hillary soft on Osama? Is Barack blind to bin Laden? Or does he mean the peeps who painted that "Mission Accomplished" sign?
"But these people want to strike us again. We learned on September 11th that in the age of terror, the best way to do our duty... is to go on the offense." That was Afghanistan; this is Iraq. And if you really mean it, why not Pakistan?
"The world is better off without Saddam Hussein in power." Really? He was one bad dude, and Iraqis suffered for it, but hundreds of thousands of them have been killed since he fell. Is a world where America is a pariah, where our armed forces are stretched dangerously thin, and where radical jihadists have a ready-made poster-boy in Bush: is that world safer than before shock-and-awe?
"Many of the spectacular car bombings and killings you see are as a result of al Quaida -- the very same folks that attacked us on September the 11th. A major enemy in Iraq is the same enemy that dared attack the United States on that fateful day." But to quote from McClatchy's invaluable Jonathan S. Landay, "U.S. military and intelligence officials... say that Iraqis with ties to al-Qaida are only a small fraction of the threat to American troops. The group known as al-Qaida in Iraq didn't exist before the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, didn't pledge its loyalty to al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden until October 2004 and isn't controlled by bin Laden or his top aides... U.S. intelligence agencies and military commanders say the Sunni-Shiite conflict is the greatest source of violence and insecurity in Iraq."
"If we were to quit Iraq before the job is done, the terrorists we are fighting would not declare victory and lay down their arms -- they would follow us here... However difficult the fight is in Iraq, we must win it." Why in the hell would they not follow us here, no matter what the outcome in Iraq? "Victory"? "Win"? "The job is done"? We are going to win their civil war?
"If we were to allow them to gain control of Iraq, the would have control of a nation with massive oil reserves -- which they could use to fund new attacks and exhort economic blackmail on those who didn't kowtow to their wishes." Ah, blood for oil. As if OPEC didn't already make us kowtow. As if permanent US bases in Iraq, and permanent control if its oil, were not the real goal we are seeking, with "freedom" (like WMDs before it) the lure in a bait-and-switch scam.
"There are many ways for our fellow citizens to say thanks to the men and women who wear the uniform and their families. You can send a care package. You can reach out to a military famly in your neighborhood... You can car pool." Instead of sending them a care package, how about sending them home? Instead of car pooling, how about an energy policy that prevents our country from financing the very nations who hold our economy hostage, let alone the terrorists they quietly harbor?
For anyone who believes that the September surge reports by General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker will make a difference, or that wavering Congressional Republicans will cause Bush to change his strategy, just listen to what the president said on July Fourth about our the American Revolutionary War: "Our first Independence Day celebration took place in a midst of a war -- a bloody and difficult struggle that would not end for six more years later before America finally secured her freedom." Ignore the grammar, folks, but do the math. As long as George Bush is president and Dick Cheney is Vice President, as long as the Republicans retain a cloture-proof majority in the Senate, this surge and this war will not end.
That's the stick the president poked in our eye on the Fourth of July. Commuting Scooter's sentence is a galling and convenient illustration of his arrogance and unaccountability, but it is far from the worst damage he is doing to our country every day he remains in office.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marty-kaplan/worse-than-libby_b_55020.htmlLast edited on Fri Jul 6th, 2007 02:23 am by
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Posted: Thu Jul 5th, 2007 11:02 pm |
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Two-State Solution to Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Not Viable, Experts Say
By Julie Stahl
CNSNews.com Jerusalem Bureau Chief
July 05, 2007
Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - The notion that there is a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict -- embraced by the current Israeli government and backed by the Bush administration -- is not a viable way to resolve the dispute, some analysts here are saying.
Reserve Maj.-Gen. Giora Eiland, a former head of Israel's National Security Council, said that even if one accepts the idea that P.A. Chairman Mahmoud Abbas wants such a solution and has sincere Palestinian backing, there are a number of insurmountable obstacles.
First, Hamas is militarily strong enough, even if it were not in control of the Gaza Strip and had not won Palestinian parliamentary elections last year, to undermine every possibility of political progress, Eiland told Cybercast News Service.
Moreover, the two sides have opposing stands.
Israel says it is ready to give up land and make concessions, even evacuate settlements, but the security situation must be dealt with first, Eiland said. But a Palestinian leader would want a clear timeline and benchmarks that Israel would have to meet before it would dismantle the terrorist infrastructure.
The gap between what an Israeli prime minister and a Palestinian leader could offer each other and still stay in power is wider than what is perceived, said Eiland.
According to Eiland, even if the leaders managed to overcome all these obstacles and reach an agreement, it would only launch another cycle of violence because there cannot be a viable Palestinian state in two locations -- the disconnected West Bank and Gaza Strip; and Israel's vulnerability after giving up more land would create temptations for regional elements to attack.
All this was known all along by both sides, said Eiland. The point is to try a different concept, he said.
Former Israeli army chief of staff Lt.-Gen. (res.) Moshe Ya'alon said that Israeli-Palestinian peace-making has been based on faulty concepts for decades.
Hamas' takeover of the Gaza Strip and the creation of a jihadist entity bordering Israel was the last in a line of faulty concepts about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that have become of Israel and Western policy for years, Ya'alon was quoted as saying in Thursday's Jerusalem Post.
The faulty concepts include the idea that Palestinians want and are able to establish a state on the West Bank and in the Gaza Strip; that having two states would resolve the conflict; that Israel giving up land in exchange for peace would be the basis for a peace treaty; that peace would lead to security; and that resolving Israeli-Palestinian conflict would bring stability to the Middle East, Ya'alon said during an address organized by the Shalem Center, a Jerusalem-based research institute.
In fact, Ya'alon said, any further Israeli land concessions would create a second "Hamastan" in the West Bank and pose a threat to both Israel and Jordan.
Palestinian human rights activist Bassam Eid, director of the Palestinians Human Rights Monitoring Group, admitted that the Palestinians had failed miserably when they were handed an opportunity in the Gaza Strip. He said Palestinians are no longer crying out for a state.
"I know that there is no Palestinian today that is demanding a state," Eid said in a separate address at the seminar.
It was former Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat who was always demanding a state, Eid noted.
Nowadays there are only three things that Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip want: education, health and work, he said.
Meanwhile, Israeli army chief of staff Gabi Ashkenazi predicted this week that Abbas eventually would form an alliance with Damascus-based Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal.
Deputy head of military intelligence Col. Ronen Cohen said that Israeli intelligence has not seen the P.A. taking any action against Hamas in the last few days, the Israeli daily Ha'aretz reported.
President Bush and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert met in Washington last month and reiterated their support for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
In 2002, Bush became the first American President to publicly back the creation of a Palestinian state, calling on the Palestinians to elect a new leader not tainted by terror and to build a democracy based on tolerance and liberty.
But some Israelis believe that Abbas and the Fatah faction he heads are out to destroy Israel, just as Hamas is, because the destruction of Israel is in the Fatah charter.
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Posted: Tue Jul 3rd, 2007 09:17 pm |
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There have been a number of newspaper stories that tell us that “al-Qaida is planning a "spectacular" terror attack — of 9/11 proportions or greater — this summer.” (FBI Director Robert Muller as stated in the New York Post) Since we saw that there has been a lot of recent terror activity, including the attack on Fort Dix and an attempt to blow up JFK airport using a fuel line, coupled with the incidents of car bombs in England, an attack on the Glasgow airport in Scotland, it sure looks like the Islamic radicals may be getting ready to perform some devastating action. The Washington Times and the New York Post, citing information from the FBI and DHS, disclosed that the mastermind behind the plot is still on the loose and has not been caught as of yet. The guy’s name is Adnan el-Shukrijumah. According to the news stories he is one of the FBI's most wanted. “Adnan has also been called the "fixer" behind 9/11. Captured al-Qaida operatives have revealed that bin Laden has tapped Adnan to lead the next major attack against the U.S.” (New York Post)
I offer the following to elaborate on Cobra's post below this one.
“An investigative reporter and former FBI consultant Paul Williams reveals the alarming potential for nuclear terrorism on U.S. soil and the sinister connections among organized crime, illegal immigrants, and al-Qaida in a new book entitled, “Day of Islam.” Recently, FBI Director Robert Mueller, in an interview with NewsMax, confirmed Williams' main claim. Mueller said al-Qaida's paramount goal is clear: to detonate a nuclear device that would kill hundreds of thousands of Americans. Mueller told NewsMax that at times, the threat feels so real he lies awake at night thinking about the prospect. (http://www.newsmax.com)
And yet the new PM in Britain says that we should not make the claim that the terrorists are Muslims nor should we use the phrase, “war on terror.” I can agree that not all terrorists are Muslims, but for now I have seen nothing to indicate otherwise. And I agree with his statement that not all Muslims are terrorists, although I have not heard that said anywhere.
Do we adhere to the anti-terrorist experts or do we pay attention to the very few here who tend to minimize such events?
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Posted: Sat Jun 2nd, 2007 05:36 pm |
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The sources cited by Paul L. Williams in his book The Day of Islam: The Annihilation of America and the Western World claim that Al Qaeda now has as many as 70 working nuclear devices of at least 10 kilotons each, is moving many of them into the United States across its porous Southern border, and into other Western nations as well, and plans to set them off to compel submission and conversion to Islam by their peoples. If correct, then we may be about to enter the darkest period of human history. Williams is not alone in issuing this warning. There have been many books published which make similar warnings, most of them claiming insider sources for the information. One can be skeptical of these warnings, but everyone should know about them, and perhaps make preparations to survive if the devices start wiping out our major population and industrial centers.
Click on the link above to learn more about the book and others on the topic.
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Warfront with Jihadistan: Al-Qa’ida’s American allies
The Gray Lady is again aiding and abetting the enemy abroad and undermining morale at home. When great news came out of Iraq this week—U.S. forces freeing 42 al-Qa’ida prisoners, some held for four months and one of whom was only 13 years old—The New York Times ran an article about low morale in the Army. Instead of success, The Times trumpeted disillusionment among the enlisted ranks. Where did The Times actually discuss the 42 freed prisoners? Buried deep in paragraphs 11-13 of an article headlined “2 More GIs Killed in Roadside Bombing.” Wow. Way to give the home team an even break.
As for the freed prisoners, some had been hung from the ceiling, had broken bones and showed other signs of torture. With the al-Qa’ida torture manual recently released—complete with how to use electricity, clothes irons, drills and blowtorches to torture—we can only imagine what these captives went through. Amnesty International, busy protesting the suicide at Guantanamo this week, was not available for comment.
Speaking of our enemies’ allies, American al-Qa’ida member Adam Gadahn released a video this week making several demands of the U.S. If they are not met, the California-born convert to Islam threatened that we will “experience things which will make [us] forget about the horrors of September 11th, Afghanistan and Iraq, and Virginia Tech.” At least two of his demands put him right in line with the Democratic Party: Remove all U.S. troops from Muslim lands and release all Muslim prisoners. Ending support for Israel was another demand, also a position of a significant minority on the Left.
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Just two days after President Bush slammed critics of his immigration policy, the Republican National Committee has reportedly fired all 65 of its telephone solicitors, as donors are said to be infuriated over the Bush's stance to give legal status to millions of illegal aliens. Read the latest now at WND.com.
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55967
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Breaking from NewsMax.com
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He is the most wanted man in America yet most Americans have never heard his name. He has been described as the "Fixer" of the Sept. 11 attacks. Several captured al-Qaida operatives have revealed this is the same man who bin Laden has tapped to lead the terror group's diabolical scheme to detonate nuclear devices simultaneously in several U.S. cities. Read The Full Story [url=http://news.newsmax.com/?NUa7GcOuuVITBnSW0BTVxeCHk3N&http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/5/31/211635.shtml?s=al&promo_code=34CE-1]Go Here Now[/url]
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Posted: Sun May 20th, 2007 12:04 am |
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| S'matter Edith, someone finally get your goat?
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| My but isn't our local fraud and liar quite the comic.
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Posted: Sat May 19th, 2007 12:34 pm |
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Taos Eddy wrote: Your 'perspective' places you in a very small minority. Thank you for your view, Ali al Fazah bin Taos. The jihadists could do better by getting more effective operatives than you. When they picked you they scraped the bottom of the barrel. You might do better as a suicide bomber in the middle East. Find a deserted area where you could try a live practice run.
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Posted: Fri May 18th, 2007 09:51 pm |
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| Your 'perspective' places you in a very small minority.
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Posted: Fri May 18th, 2007 09:40 pm |
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| My perspective is that "occupation" is a misnomer. Jews have always been there and probably always will be. The Arab propaganda is akin to Nazi propaganda. Amazing how a timnny nation can be considered a threat to the "mighty" Muslim countries who surround them. They more than once taught them a lesson.
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Another perspective:
Moving Israel to Alaska
By M.J. Rosenberg
Forty years after the Six-Day War, it is clear that the occupation that was the unintended result of that war has significantly altered perceptions about the State of Israel. In fact, it is safe to say that for most people today, it is close to impossible to think of Israel without thinking about the occupation of the West Bank and the terrible problems created by it.
This is a shame although an unavoidable one. News about Israel these days is invariably about the occupied territories. One's views of Israel are gauged by what one thinks Israel should do about them. One is deemed "right-wing" if he believes Israel needs to hold on to them and "left-wing" if he believes Israel must give them back. It is even hard imagining how "left" and "right" were gauged in Israel in 1966. Maybe, as in other countries, one's place on the political spectrum was determined by economics. But I don't really know...
http://tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2007/may/18/moving_israel_to_alaska
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Charles Krauthammer: Israel's 40-year reluctance
There has hardly been an Arab peace plan in the past 40 years -- including the current Saudi version -- that does not demand a return to the status quo of June 4, 1967. Why is that date so sacred? Because it was the day before the outbreak of the Six Day War in which Israel scored one of the most stunning victories of the 20th century. The Arabs have spent four decades trying to undo its consequences.
http://www.townhall.com
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Posted: Fri May 18th, 2007 05:30 pm |
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bbd wrote:
Mendavor wrote: Absolutely not. Our only option was and still is what Rep. Gerold Nadler posed: To pull out our troops and redeploy them in a neighboring country and let Iraq solve their own problems at their own expenze.
They said the same thing when Hitler invaded Poland
bbd, there is a slight problem with your attempted analogy. Hitler was leader of a militarily powerful country that invaded and occupied a non-aggresive country using a flimsy lie as an excuse.
Most people see the comparison as one where the US is Germany and Iraq is Poland.
In addition, Poland didn't degenerate into a civil war with the Germans in the middle.
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Posted: Fri May 18th, 2007 02:09 pm |
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Mendavor wrote: Absolutely not. Our only option was and still is what Rep. Gerold Nadler posed: To pull out our troops and redeploy them in a neighboring country and let Iraq solve their own problems at their own expenze.
They said the same thing when Hitler invaded Poland
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It appears that their planned confrontation has already commenced, or perhaps not really ceased. Quassam rockets have been fired into Israel, mainly at Sderot, for weeks on end without an armed response from Israel. The latest action can be traced to hamas and not Hizbullah, although when you are on the receiving end of such fire, it matters not. So in desperation to the attacks we had no choice but to enter into the Gaza and attack hamas strongholds. Israeli airstrikes are effective but there will be unintended collateral casualties. Jane's Information Group provides yet another glimpse into the increasing hostility and military threts against Israel.
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Hizbullah prepares for war
By Nicholas Blanford
6 April 2007
Lebanon's Hizbullah organisation is mobilising its military wing, the Islamic Resistance (IR), in preparation for an expected new confrontation with Israel in mid-2007.
New recruits are being pushed through an intensified training programme at the Iranian-backed group's training camps in the Bekaa Valley and a steady flow of arms, including surface-to-surface rockets, is coming into Lebanon from Syria, sources within Hizbullah, Lebanese military intelligence and other Lebanese close to the Shia Muslim party told Jane's.
The preparations have been detected by Israel, which reportedly delivered a message through US House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi to the Syrian leadership in Damascus on 4 April assuring that no war against Lebanon or Syria is being planned.
Hizbullah's build-up began immediately following the 14 August 2006 ceasefire, which ended the 34-day conflict between the Lebanese militants and the Israel Defence Force (IDF). The war yielded inconclusive results for both sides. Hizbullah was able to withstand the IDF's month-long onslaught, killing 119 IDF soldiers and launching an uninterrupted flow of rockets into Israel.
However, Hizbullah lost its military autonomy along the Blue Line, the UN name for the Lebanon-Israel border, abandoning its elaborate network of fortified underground bunkers and firing positions to a reinforced 13,000-strong UN Interim Force In Lebanon (UNIFIL 2) and to some 20,000 Lebanese Armed Forces (LAF) troops.
Israel failed to achieve its pre-war goals of securing the release of two IDF soldiers captured on 12 July 2006, which triggered the war, and of crushing the IR. The repercussions of the conflict have weakened the Israeli government and eroded the IDF's image of deterrence.
© 2007 Jane's Information Group
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Posted: Sat Mar 3rd, 2007 12:20 am |
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But it has worked for us before....................but in those times, it was just one small piece of the overall strategy, not the end all solution.
"The best way to fight insurgency is to isolate the insurgents from the population."
But you need to win the support for the idigenous population similtanously.
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Posted: Fri Mar 2nd, 2007 11:37 pm |
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| Absolutely not. Our only option was and still is what Rep. Gerold Nadler posed: To pull out our troops and redeploy them in a neighboring country and let Iraq solve their own problems at their own expenze.
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Posted: Fri Mar 2nd, 2007 11:21 pm |
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Meanwhile the surge into Bagdad continues. Was this a viable option?
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Posted: Fri Mar 2nd, 2007 11:12 pm |
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Instead of acting, the Democrats have postured.
Indeed, some have joined Bush in his warmongering. Hillary Clinton, regarded as the frontrunner for the Democratic Presidential nomination, recently declared at an affair hosted by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a leading instigator of war with Iran, that Iran is a danger to the United States and a great threat to Israel.
Hillary's claims are preposterous. Israel has large numbers of nuclear weapons and delivery systems. Iran has none. Iran has no ability to harm the United States and would have no motive except for the Bush regime's gratuitous provocations. A state in which a leading contender for the presidential nomination can make utterly absurd claims and suffer no consequence is a failed state.
Paul Craig Roberts in “Failed States: The United States and Israel” 2/6/07
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Posted: Tue Feb 20th, 2007 10:58 pm |
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For the very first time since the Afghanistan and Iraq conflict involving US and British troops fighting terrorism, Iran’s interior minister Mostafa Pur-Mohammadi, speaking over a domestic TV channel, also charged the three services of the United States, Great Britain, and Israel with subversive activities in Iranian Khuzestan, Kurdistan and Azerbaijan.
Well, in reality, there is a sizeable US and Israeli intelligence and commercial presence in the neighboring Caspian republic of Azerbaijan. This was the first time an Iranian official accused Israeli intelligence of “terrorist activity” inside the country. Israeli security sources take this as a ploy to lay the groundwork for justifying an Iranian payback – either through its proxy, the Lebanese Hizballah, or Palestinian terrorist networks in the pay of their intelligence services. The charges are also part of Tehran’s preparations for the UN Security Council session Wednesday, Feb. 21, to discuss further sanctions for its refusal to halt uranium enrichment.
The terrorist attacks were aimed at sparking inter-religious hatred between the Sunni minority and Shiite majority of the Islamic Republic. Watching Islamic TV stations I can see why Iran experts report that the minister accused the three services of subversion. It was designed to take political pressure off them and also to silence public questions about the sudden vulnerability of the invincible Revolutionary Guards to attack in different parts of the country.
Everything they do or say has a purpose. It should be interesting to note that sources close to the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna disclosed Monday that Iran has transferred to its Natanz uranium enrichment plant gaseous materials for activating centrifuges. To quote an American phrase, “…and the beat goes on.”
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Posted: Mon Feb 12th, 2007 10:46 pm |
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It's true that the Western press is afraid to get too far off the PC track, if not at all. But I must admit that you blame Republicans as well as Democrats for their blinders. Americans are too complacent and no longer have the stomach for wetting doen and dirty. Nice reporting, sir.
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Posted: Mon Feb 12th, 2007 05:51 pm |
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Distressingly, the Bush administration characterizes Abbas as a "moderate" and a counterweight to Hamas, which has close ties to Iran. This is patently absurd. At least twice in less than a month, Abbas told Palestinians to stop fighting each other and to target Israel instead in their attacks. The first time came on the eve of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's visit to the region. Abbas' Jan. 11 remarks to a Fatah rally in Ramallah were largely ignored by the mainstream media, as usual. The second comment came early this week, when on the eve of a meeting in Saudi Arabia with an exiled Hamas leader, Abbas was quoted as saying: "We must unite the Hamas and Fatah blood in the struggle against Israel as we did at the beginning of the intifada."
One of your Congressmen, Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) quoted Abbas' comments from Jan 11., saying, "I find it disheartening and deeply troubling that Abbas would sanction violence against Israel instead of calling upon his people to support peaceful compromise with Israel. Palestinian leaders must understand that they can no longer support peace when speaking to Western audiences while advocating violence against Israel when addressing their people." What this clearly shows is that Abbas' statements suggest that he is not the 'moderate' Palestinian leader that many claim he is. Unless he renounces violence once and for all and takes steps to disarm terrorists, Abbas should not deserve additional U.S. aid.
Abbas and his political party Fatah is often labeled 'moderate' by the Western press, European governments, and the Bush Administration. I would also like to point out that Fatah has not amended its constitution, which calls for the complete destruction of Israel, so how the U.S. government could possibly call Abbas a moderate is beyond belief.
Washington is ignoring the P.A. chairman's remarks because it wants to act as if there is somebody to talk to, even though there is nobody to talk to. Anyone who promotes the idea of supporting Abbas or others P.A. leaders is ignoring the facts. For decades Abbas had been "the most loyal deputy and confidant" of the late PLO and Fatah leader, Yasser Arafat. It was Abbas who originated the idea of using Palestinian schools, mosques and media to foster hatred against Israel. Abbas also promoted the PLO's ties with the Soviet and East Berlin regimes, and was the architect of the P.A.'s ties with Damascus and Tehran. Abbas' regime has been one of the most oppressive in the world and during his tenure, the "massive flight" of Christian Arabs from Bethlehem and surrounding areas that began during Arafat's rule has continued. We're not talking about a moderate person. The idea that Abbas’ Fatah is not as bad as Hamas is like saying, 'let's legitimize the Boston Strangler because he's better than Jack the Ripper.
Bush and Olmert must realize that training forces loyal to Abbas and Fatah will simply facilitate Palestinian terrorism against Israelis and others, including Americans. It also would help the Palestinians to someday overthrow the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. (Jordan is part of the area long claimed by the Palestinian Arabs.) Anyone who thinks that training the Fatah forces will reduce terrorism or encourage moderation ignores the fact that Palestinians trained by the Americans in the past have gone on to murder Israelis and Americans.
During the Palestinian intifada that began in 2000, many members of the P.A. security forces also operated with terrorist organizations and were involved in terrorist attacks. Despite Arafat's signing of numerous peace agreements with Israel since 1994, one of the goals set down in Fatah's constitution remains the "complete liberation of Palestine, and eradication of the Zionist economic, political and cultural existence." "Armed struggle is a strategy and not a tactic, and the Palestinian Arab People's armed revolution is a decisive factor in the liberation fight and in uprooting the Zionist existence" which won't end until "the Zionist state is demolished and Palestine is completely liberated," the charter states.
The reference to the demolition of the "Zionist state" makes it clear, analysts say, that Fatah -- like Hamas -- has as its goal the destruction of all of Israel, not merely the removal of the Israeli presence from the West Bank and Gaza.
They also note that Fatah was established several years before Israel, in 1967, captured what is now known as the "occupied territories" -- so its references to destroying Israel apply to all of Israel. Nonetheless, some analysts here do regard Abbas as a moderate. Dan Diker, foreign policy analyst at the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, said he believes that Abbas is moderate at heart, but also is very weak. Israel is interested in maintaining the idea that there is still hope for an Israeli-Palestinian peace process rather than facing the fact that the Iranians are behind most of the terror here, he said in a telephone interview.
Gershon Baskin of the Israel/Palestine Center for Research and Information, argues that Israel and the U.S. should strengthen Abbas -- but not in the way they have been doing. Baskin said the attempts to strengthen Abbas so far have not been genuine. When the U.S. announces that it is sending tens of millions of dollars to Abbas it actually weakens him in Palestinians' eyes by making him look like an agent of the U.S., he argued. What Abbas really needs is to be put in a position where he can point to advances in peace negotiations and say that there is an authentic process underway. That would genuinely strengthen him, said Baskin. He also dismissed Abbas' recent comments about Palestinians turning their guns on Israel, arguing that the "occupation" referred only to Israel's presence in the West Bank.
(Information provided by MEMRI, Isracast, Irutz, Debka, Palestinian and Lebanese TV)
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Posted: Mon Jan 29th, 2007 11:56 am |
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Tell us something we don't already know:
http://www.rense.com/general75/attack.htm
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Posted: Mon Jan 29th, 2007 02:08 am |
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| My point is that EVERY website is attacked, and the more popular/important, they harder they hackers try - maybe it is an occupational hazard, but I am underwhelmed by the news that the Vatican's web site was attacked. It would be a bigger story (and divine intervention) if they had not been attacked by someone.
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Posted: Sun Jan 28th, 2007 11:32 pm |
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Fred wrote: The story smells a bit fishy. First, any hacker worth his salt can control hundreds or thousands of systems at a time to direct at a specific site to attempt to disrupt it.....and just the opposite, any system administrator (and I assume the Vatican can afford to hire the best) has a lot of tools at his disposal to detect and deter such attacks.
What do you mean that the story smells fishy? Is it that you doubt Archbishop Foley? Maybe these hackers were NOT worth their salt. Maybe the Vatican has some pretty sharp guys in there and are able to defend their website. I don't get your drift, Fred.
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Posted: Sat Jan 27th, 2007 02:28 am |
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The story smells a bit fishy. First, any hacker worth his salt can control hundreds or thousands of systems at a time to direct at a specific site to attempt to disrupt it.....and just the opposite, any system administrator (and I assume the Vatican can afford to hire the best) has a lot of tools at his disposal to detect and deter such attacks. So, unless the Vatican is running their website with a Windows 95 machine and IIS version 1.0, they are pretty safe. I don't deny that electronic jihad occurs (actually, we thought in Iraq that would make a GREAT name for a rock and roll band), or that everybody on all sides plays the game....it is just that there is a few things missing from the story.
UPDATE: Yes, they tried, but were spectacularly unsuccessful. They attempted a very old method of targetting the web sites that if it had been successful, should have seen the firing of the web site administrators.
http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=47065
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Posted: Fri Jan 26th, 2007 01:55 pm |
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| Unless I missed it, the story about the Muslim extremists latest thing is the plan to disrupt the Vatican website. According to Archbishop John Foley, the Vatican's webmaster, there have been attmpts but have been successfully thwarted. This "electronic jihad" is in retaliation for the Pope's comments about Islam late last year. Foley quoted an extremist website calling for this jihad, "With Allah's blessing the attack will succeed." They were calling for Muslims worldwide to attack the website all at one time for maximum disruption. As Foley said, "The Vatican's Archangels have won the battle against al-Qaida's cyberterrorists." (Source: http://www.vatican.va/phome_en.htm)
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Posted: Mon Jan 8th, 2007 10:40 pm |
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| Mid-air refueling and long-range capabilities of Israeli aircraft have undergone many technological improvements just as the United States aircraft have and does not pose a very significant problem.
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Posted: Mon Jan 8th, 2007 06:38 pm |
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Just a tactical question:
Wouldn't Israel need to refuel twice, there and back, to attack installations in Iran?
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Posted: Mon Jan 8th, 2007 05:11 pm |
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Fred wrote: I don't think that Iran is going to be scared into a deal, especially if it involves an attack by Israel. Too many countries over there are itching for a reason to declare war on Israel.
Now...do I think that Israel has draw up plans for this? Absolutely. They need to be prepared for any possibility, but having a plan to do this does not necessarily mean that they are preparing to do such a thing...even the article says that towards the end, giving the number of conditions that would have to occur before they acted.
Fred, the war against Israel has been in effect for centuries and several attempts have been made with and without formal declarations. Muhammad declared war on the Jews as far back as the 6th Century after the battle of Badr which was the very first example of jihad. He began to war against the Jewish tribes who kept their own faith and rejected Islam and the idea that Muhammad was a prophet of God after attempts to convert them. Muhammada calls for Jews to convert began getting more violent than just raids on their properties and it emphasized eartly punishments. Muhammad entered into the marketplace of the Banu Qaynuqa (a Jewsih tribe with whom he had a truce) and recited to them: "O Jews, beware lest God bring upon you the vengeance that he brought against Quraysh and become Moslems. You know that I am a prophet who has been sent -- you will find that in your scriptures and God's covenant with you." (Muhammad Ibn Ismaiel Al-Bukhari, Sahih al-Bukhari: The Translations of the Meanings, translated by Muhammad M. Kahn, Darussalem, 1997, vol.4, book 58, #308). Their rejection caused him to lay seige upon them until their unconditional surrender. Not satisfied, he redirected his wrath on a Jewish poet, K'ab bin Al-Ashraf whom Muhammad accuseed of writing insulting versus about Moslem women. (Ibid #363) After the murder of K'ab, Muhammad issued a blanket command: "Kill any Jew that falls into your power." This was not a military order but a religious one and is incorporated into the Quran.
Secondly, you are 100% correft that Israel, as many other nations, has assessed and developed contingency plans to attack any target that has the potential to be a military threat against it. The United States has many such plans. Long ago I posted that I was one of the developers of the plan that one Israeli jet fighter (a French Mirage at the time) always be aloft carrying one tactical nuclear bomb in the event of more invasions against Israel. Such plans are no longer in effect but other contingencies have been developed.
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Posted: Mon Jan 8th, 2007 01:15 pm |
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I don't think that Iran is going to be scared into a deal, especially if it involves an attack by Israel. Too many countries over there are itching for a reason to declare war on Israel.
Now...do I think that Israel has draw up plans for this? Absolutely. They need to be prepared for any possibility, but having a plan to do this does not necessarily mean that they are preparing to do such a thing...even the article says that towards the end, giving the number of conditions that would have to occur before they acted.
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Posted: Sun Jan 7th, 2007 11:41 pm |
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Times: Israel Plans Nuclear Strike on Iran
The Times of London reports that Israel will use tactical
nuclear weapons in a plan devised to destroy Iran's
nuclear weapons program.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/1/6/211403.shtml?s=al&promo_code=2BD1-1
Is this just a rumor or a tactical leak to scare Iran into a deal?
Last edited on Sun Jan 7th, 2007 11:42 pm by davidlanderson
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Posted: Sat Dec 23rd, 2006 03:18 pm |
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While the idea sounds good, I really don't think it would help much. When Jerusalem was more open in the past, there was an increase in violence.
Now, increased access could be a carrot as part of a broader peace process.
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Posted: Sat Dec 23rd, 2006 06:35 am |
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Halvah:
Pope John Paul, before he died, echoed an idea that on its surface, could open the door to peace in the Middle East. But how would it play out politically?
Would Isreal be willing to let Jerusulem become an international city, not run by any of the countries contingent to it. In today's situation it is a pipe dream, I am sure, but would that option ever be considered, acknowledging that three major religions share that city as holy to them?
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Posted: Wed Dec 20th, 2006 12:29 pm |
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| The internal fighting does give some respite from an organized effort against us but Israel, as any other nation, would not like to "choose" an enemy but rather we would, as we have time and again, offer the olive branch in an effort at peaceful coexistence. It is not we who have declared that anyone should not exist but rather they (the Islamists) who have done so.
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Posted: Tue Dec 19th, 2006 08:23 pm |
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| Now that Hamas and Fatah are fighting amongst themselves in an obvious bid for power, does this not give a break for Israel and it's people? I mean that they might not be firing rockets and things into Israel. Who aoeld Israel rather have in power since both factions are anti-Israel?
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